This Is Modern Art / 3 of 6 / Lovely Lovely / 1999

[@petervonzurmuehlen]

One of the things I really like about this series is how Matthew Collings presents us with lots of information about each artist and period in art and what the ideas were about and so forth, but he never presents that information and ideas as a dogma, or even as yes this art is good or bad or these ideas are right and wrong, but rather, he presents them in the spirit of art itself, as sort of an open question. He does at times state his own opinion, and often he seems to be going along with the mood of the artists he is talking about and to, as if trying on their perspective, feeling his way around in their ideas and visions. The wonderful thing about Art, the meaning of Art, the value of Art, the purpose of Art is that you don't have to agree with any of these ideas, with Modernism or Postmodernism, or any of it, because when it comes to making Art the only limits, the only rules, the boundaries that exists are the ones inherent in the artist themselves. If in fact you find all abstract and modern complete rubbish, all you need do is paint like an old master painter, or some other classical, realist style. There is in fact quite the market for that sort of thing and many artists who do quite well with those styles. Being celebrated by the art world is all well and good, but I think many an artist would be perfectly content to earn a living from their art. Art is not a truth. Art is not an Answer. Art is not a fixed and unchanging thing. Art is truly like every individual person, free to be what and who they are, to express themselves. Go forth and create.

[@hholmes6068]

Just wanted to express my exasperation at the comments here....why on earth are you people here watching part 3 of a 6 part series on modern art if you dislike it so? I mean jeez its not like this is some kind of must see commentary on modern art...do you people just seek out every last video you can to leave your troll remarks on? And who the hell do you think cares or takes any of your comments on board. By the way thanks to the person who posted this series- I've found it a great educational tool, I like the style of the presenter as he doesnt impose his views too much on the topics- also cant find a dvd of this series anywhere.

[@AtenAkaAton1]

+H Holmes Perhaps to try and understand it. Modern art sucks.

[@ramblinrose8]

AtenAkaAton1 with a name like that well...can't say I think you know what you're talking about. To each his own...to cut down any art is just plain ridiculous. Think of it like this if you don't like it find something you do like but you don't have to be rude. You can actually not say anything (but as you couldn't NOT not comment I bet holding your tongue is a bit of a challenge.) And rather than be pretentious (I'm betting you're one of those arrogant folks that say people who "get" Modern Art are "arrogant" geesh!) why not just not be here. Not comment or view this at all? No one asked you to come and whip your thang out and take a pi$$. Primitive at best. You know it seems every old by choice not so young at heart, grouchy scroogey person is always doing the "well in my time...we knew what real art was" one up put down game. As if they were still in 7th grade. Count yourself a hundred years old. And well to paraphrase you 'perhaps and try to understand it. you're comment sucks.

[@AtenAkaAton1]

ramblin rose ...yet I didn't it any ways. Modern art sucks.

[@ramblinrose8]

"yet I didn't it any ways." huh...okay so you don't or probably can't construct a sentence that makes any sense...and I suspect you're nothing more than a troll...your comments boring, predictable and immature. Guess you gotta have some sorta schtick. Like an older brother pulling a younger sister's hair. You know what they say about critics. If you'd answered thoughtfully I'd have been delighted. Instead...well I'll disengage from a rather boring conversation. Seeing what you offer here isn't much if anything at all. Let's just say you didn't surprise. And there's a world full of folks that can and do...moving on.

[@rubensrides]

+H Holmes Fuk u, i just klikt 1, 2, 3 coz it pisses me of. Now i wil klik 4 an goan hate ther.

[@abbynormal206]

This series is amazing. Good quality film and sound.

[@vpdisco]

Sadly, this episode is the last for me. I became addicted to this and I thank you for posting.

[@debauraslumpy]

excellent thank you Ivan P.

[@keeperofthecheese]

I met Matthew Collings in Soho - he was nice !

[@rob16248]

Wow - I like M.C. What did you chat to him about?

[@renzo6490]

I am surprised that an artist like Alex Katz would say at 38 min 15 sec. that Matisse and Picasso were Impressionists.....which they certainly were Not!

[@JackRainfield]

Good call. His art is also not that impressive to me now although at the time they were created it may have been a very different thing. Now they strike me like cartoons.

[@miriamcjackson706]

Matisse wanted people in an aggressive avaricious modern world to find solace respite in the enigmatic meditative beauty of his paintings. His work with its warped flattened perspectives was not perfect, on the contrary. He subverted tremendous energy into the realm of colors and it’s the conviction of his colors that rouse inspiration and celebration. Matisse’s colors swim and speak and it forms another kind of beauty from that of his models and setups. It’s the surprising otherness of beauty on the canvas which speaks to us.

[@nimfenzwanner]

Got it! It's 'moving through time' from the Fire walk with me soundtrack. Thanks a lot!

[@latenightlogic]

Patrick Heron died in March of 1999 - this was likely his last appearence in anything.

[@strategicexit8561]

gosh the cinematography is good...

[@ScottHaley12]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...100%. Period. Paragraph. End of story. :)

[@nimfenzwanner]

Thanks :)

[@Olegzyan]

modern art masterpiece The lonely rocker

[@lisengel2498]

I find beauty very interesting - because like all other human ideas it changes with time and place, but mostly I think that beauty is everywhere where there is the breath of aliveness and nonconditional presence. In a way it is the hidden key to transcendence - to be present to the living, mystical Now with openness, playfullness, curiosity and caring. In that way beauty is trans/formation to aliveness

[@jackkeenan2348]

[@Jaylasplenty]

I guess what I meant to say was that art without creating change is not really art but self expression. When you study art in school you see that art reflected the time period in which it was produced. Art these days has become more about taking capital and less about representing a generation. Shocking people makes money and creating social change through art has become less important. Self expression that does not give back ,does not help.

[@Johnconno]

I like ships, portraits, hairy nude women. Painted properly so they look real like a photograph.

[@brankomiokovic6075]

So far I watched only first three parts. Looks to me there was no art anywhere else except France, England and America. Doe's it sound familiar ?

[@jmpsthrufyre]

branko miokovic lol

[@renzo6490]

When did 'Modern Art' begin? I mean, what IS it? Matisse? Earlier? The Impressionist? Or is modern art what grew out of Duchamp? Conceptual art. Anyway, I'm a bit surprised at how heated people get when others voice opposition to the things they like. What's that all about? It is beginning to sound like religious conflict, Believe what I believe or I will kill you. Like what I like or..... What's behind all that?

[@keeperofthecheese]

Have you actually experienced enough to know? Or have you simply observed a couple of key works? Some modern art required incredible skill and time to create, you just havent seen any you LIKE.

[@reymontcantil199]

"robert hughes might just be a medium rated critic. he is from australia after all." "that would explain it. he gets everything upside down."- best line ever.

[@jmpsthrufyre]

12:34 spot on. and please, please, please, will someone hurry up and mention an emperor and his new outfit just one more time?

[@legionpigsmack1153]

damn...this guy had a really great camera person with him...

[@DateTwoRelate]

At this hour Alan Katz is 93 years young.

[@lukeszklarz9674]

tfw the Eno kicks in @11:10

[@patarnababan6440]

What is the opening music, please?

[@Acquavallo]

What is the song at the beginning? It's good

[@127eadgbe]

+Acquavallo It's a band called "Fridge". Don't know the title of the song.

[@brettclawson]

The song is called "Cassette" by Fridge off the album "Early Output 1996-1998"

[@shaunclark425]

CHEESE BYCICLES BY THE WABBERLY WARDROBES...ACTUALLY I JUST MADE THAT UP...

[@zetetick395]

Sounds like something off a demo tape by The Fall - one of several thousand that they've done over the last 40 odd years... (In fact I beieve it's by a group called Fridge?)

[@jackbailey7037]

Too much about private lives of ‘art stars’, very little about ideas, culture, or the works themselves. Saying about someone’s art, ‘It has something we want, but too much that we don’t”, is nice for the uninformed viewer who knows nothing, but isn’t going ot make anyone any smarter. Thoughout the above show, we have that 90s obsession with stardom, glamour and punk attitude. “Nothing dates faster than people’s ideas of the future” - Robt Hughes. Notice that none of the art is about a feeling, or a personal patina, it’s all surface and show. I think Basquiat had talent, I do agree with that, but whether it has depth is the question. For something meatier, see “The Shock of the New”, Robert Hughes survey of modernism, made c. 1980, on youtube. You may not agree with him, but al least he’s articulate at times.

[@zetetick395]

I muuuuch prefer old Matt here to Andrew Graham Dixon, when it comes to History of Art BBC narrators. Also: Nice use of Angelo Badalimenti: 'Twin Peaks - Fire Walk with me' OST in this

[@nimfenzwanner]

Does anyone know the song at 38:22?

[@brettclawson]

"Moving Through Time" by Angelo Badalamenti from the soundtrack "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me"

[@JOSEPHCHARLESCOLIN2025]

I'm Not New in this art world.

[@TomPark1986]

43:08 he must feel very deluded then.

[@dalidaily]

Olitsky..............a warehouse full of paintings, including stuff thats 50 years old or more..........if he isnt selling them how does he make a living? nobody ever tells us how these people make any money........

[@Estragon17]

Steve B. Robinson Because he likely does sell them. They may be ones he decided to hold onto from that time.

[@babette174]

The music is annoying

[@davealbrecht12]

12:21 PARDON ME SIR!!!! 8-O

[@JOJOKYRA]

what you want ?

[@TomPark1986]

I don't see the beauty in Besquiat's work.

[@dalidaily]

me neither.......academia makes art stars where mere mortals see average or bad.....

[@DeryaErdemMOV]

Beauty is a wrong word in Modern Art.

[@zebredpooding]

+Tom Park i see nightmares

[@caidesign]

+Tom F Park It's fine man, not everyone likes the same person, and that's why we all try to be artists in our own way. Do you like Mozart?! Well, there are tons of people who like him a lot, including me, so stop it! JUST STOP IT!!! Personally, Mozart is great, but I like to hear other people too sometimes when I want to work/relax, it's all about the mood, right? SOmetimes you're up and one moment you may be down, so STOP IT~!!

[@dalidaily]

youre right of course. we cant all like the same things or we wold only create the same things oer and oer.

[@Estragon17]

28:33 That wasn't depth vs. the shallowness of the interviewer. It was an interviewer vs. the shallow paranoia of a coke head.

[@nogoodbastid]

The interviewer said "like" which made him sound somewhat inarticulate, but you're right, it was a perfectly reasonable question.

[@artistinstinct]

WE ARE IN THE ART WORLD OF A PROCESS IN WORKS OF A FINISHED SALAD! DO YOU LIKE TOMATOES ...?

[@arthursid1129]

Are Hopper's comments somehow supposed to provide legitimacy that Basquiat is a great artist?

[@larryphillipsjr.1607]

Arthur Sid 😂

[@shaunclark425]

B = SHIT

[@stereotrofia8950]

@Arthur Sid Basquiat was/is great. I don't know how this isn't obvious for everyone. The colours he used, the shapes, the aggressiveness of street-art mixed with expressionist approach. Most of all his artistic consciousness is the sign of his greatness.

[@waltercarter6163]

@@stereotrofia8950 Yousa goofball.

[@fubarizationnation]

I have a much deeper understanding of the revolting thing that is “modern art” than you do. Sad indeed. You’ve devoted your life to a sham. Bravo.

[@taylorj6177]

Lol so where's your amazing KZbin video sharing your "greater understanding" then?? That's what I thought...

[@caidesign]

Wow I can't believe this guy during the taping of this show some 35 years ago, yes I am from the future in case you were wondering, and boy wait till you see what's in store for ya'll! And it has not much to do with modern art, rather more artful dodgers! What you say, it'll catch up and then you'll either slap me or thank you, and that's why I only do one of these a day

[@JackRainfield]

Imagine in the year 2075. A 100 year old billionaire lying on his death bed and talking to their great grandson or grand daughter. Please don't throw away the art with turds after I'm gone. It was truly great art, I promise you. Who will stand the test of 500 years better Claude Monet or Yves Klein ? Should they care about anything that happens after they die? Ten years after or ten thousand years after? I can imagine what we consider great art in futuristic dumpster bins.

[@MrWatchowtnow]

No one knows why? because there are people who control the art world and olitnsky must of rubbed them the wrong way with his integrity

[@caidesign]

+Reggie Watchowtnow Hey man, the rich are going to try to monopolize everything they can get their hands on

[@TheLancer9]

Nobody knows what it is !!. It is driven by weirdness

[@KEPHALLE]

you got it right, there are a few specks of gold into all that shit though. good contemporary art must be dug through piles of nonsense or plain idiotic junk.

[@keeperofthecheese]

I organize exhibitions for all manner of arts, crafts and design. I make a living doing it. It feeds my family. I have a university education, and years of experience with literary and Art history. I have attended philosophy and art lectures around the world. I have dealt with established artists and amateurs. So, explain to me how you have a better understanding of Modern Art . You dont know anything about art.

[@peterorthmann5612]

Elephant shit is NOT art.

[@fubarizationnation]

It is clear to me that you have no idea what modern art is. How sad.

[@Estragon17]

Basquiat couldn't help but be a star? What kind of bollocks is this? The guy was desperate to be famous and did everything he could to get there.

[@Jaylasplenty]

I'm an artist and a christian.The conflict is that I'm dead to the world yet fully alive.I'm not at home here. I am an artist but I don't make art. I just draw really well and I hate the smell of paint.What will the future think about this present time in art?Wide eyed pastel girls, pink fingertips,Japanese manga, Jesus should be pissed.

[@bradsellers3974]

modern art is similar to a well needed intestinal bowel movement.

[@timothylee6859]

He surly picks some winners, celebrate must be fleeting. If Clem is so unstylish, where is this clown now? Maybe the problem is not the art but what criticism has become. But then again maybe it's always been this way. The big birds eat the small ones.

[@smb123211]

Our modern house has several modern paintings. Over the years I've noticed a change. The vast majority still thinks it's silly and juvenile but are reticent to express this view in public, a sort of artistic political correctness. Is anything done by anyone art if they say so? Is a highchair after a messy meal or a teenage boy's stack of dirty clothes "art" if someone offers a unique perspective? My generation thought artists required education, talent, hard work, originality and genius. What can one say about a woman balancing a dildo or "paintings" composed of newspaper titles or hurled colors? Most dislike modern art as much for the seeming lack of effort and disciple as the piece itself. My son (Hirschhorn) was caught touching an "exhibit: - a stack of bricks. Years later I notices a group rhapsodizing over a tall, metal vertical "work" without a title. The worker (trying not to laugh) said, "A/C duct!" A good definition of modern art is a work that no one knows is art.

[@grabakasennin2763]

+smb123211 No, it's crap. Cultures within society teach us to conform. This new non-conformist ideal that artists are supposed to adopt in order t be taken seriously, is simply just another way of conforming. That being said there is art which we seee as crap for two months, and then it hits us with all it's glory, and we realize we just didn't get it. Do you think everyone is capable of getting high flying concepts? Art is a form of elitism, and sometimes that's just fine..

[@smb123211]

Grabaka Sennin The idea that art is a form of elitism controdicts human history. Art is a defining aspect of our species. Until recently virtually all art was done by ordinary people. They sang, danced, cooked, built, drew, told stories and acted. Only in the last 1% of our existence has art been relegated principally to artists.

[@grabakasennin2763]

smb123211 Well, the concept is so large it's safe to say it can be a form of elitism, and it can exist without being it. Art is found everywhere.

[@davesuper4572]

Straight up garbage that what it is art .art should be art not name of a artist

[@keeperofthecheese]

well thats a little strange considering I travel around Europe organizing exhibitions of it as a job. Awful troll - you have no business sassing what you dont understand.

[@JOJOKYRA]

You sound like a mess...Art have no purpose and exactly the self expression through art is the only way to change -what- ever you have in mind, the things dont run backwards. You see - the phenomena of "social change through art" is all about self expression of a genius, these are people who project future in today, because they live mentally in the future. Painting is all about seeing in the future, so get your brush and express yourself without regret - the idea is quite religious actually.