This is my top predictor for failure in Mythic+ Pugging

[@slb159]

He may have left to go take care of the problem he announced that he had before the run even started. Maybe he got kicked in the 'nads during a pillow fight earlier with one of his siblings and just noticed he was swelling up down there. "gtg emergency 'nad inspection"

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That made me legit laugh out loud. You honestly may be right hahaha

[@michaelc.309]

Anyone that has a " nom nom this *insert egregious vulgarity here* is delicious" weak aura is an insta kick

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that is such a weird thing. Have no idea where that came from. Some streamer or something? I have such little interest in that all. It screams you do not take you or your character serious at all if you are willing to do and say stuff like that.

[@WrstAlex]

some of the best keys ive done have just had yo and sup in the chat, thats it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya me as well.

[@jondahl19]

blink, die and leave. what a legend

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya blink to ruin shroud, die, then sit there for a few minutes to see if some how you are going to be suddenly snapped to the enemies??? Then leave.

[@Mindy_T]

Don’t mages have invisibility? 😅😅😅

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Mindy_T ya I mentioned that in the video I think. He seems to use it to try to drop threat after he blinks and it fails. Idk what the cd is or anything but obviously even if they waited the whole time for it, there would be no issue at all.

[@junglejim6674]

I couldn't agree more about the typing red flag, pretty clear who takes the key seriously and doesn't by their demenor. My buddy and I also have started not summoning people to dungeons because we've found if they're too lazy to get to the dungeons they're too lazy to do mechanics and play their character at a high level. So that's my big red flag as well.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, I agree about the summoning thing too. I wouldn't really think of it as they are "lazy" and that would mean they will be lazy with mechanics. Its actually worse than that in my eyes. They instead are just totally self-important. They COULD go to the dungeon, but why should they? You should just port them there. Their priorities are more important than the key they just joined, after all. And where do we see that self-important mentality be the most problematic? When it comes time to STAY IN THE DUNGEON after some things go wrong. If their time is too important to justify traveling less than a minute to a dungeon, they certainly are going to be the first to leave when they feel like their time is being wasted.

[@zizthesin]

Couldn’t disagree more about summons. Sometimes my hearth is down and im not in val. Other times im fixing gear or buying consumes or someone left a key and my portal is down. One player waiting or asking for a summon isn’t the red flag you think it is lmfao.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@zizthesin hearth is a very short cd now. You have guild cloaks, the dungeon portal, dalaran hearth and of course dragon riding. If you think it's impossible to get to a key with all that then don't sign up for groups until that has changed. Needing a summon and asking for a summon is different though. I don't mind waiting the extra minute it might take you to get there at all. But some one asking for a summon is some one I do not trust to care about the key they just joined.

[@junglejim6674]

@@zizthesin so, if someone’s hearth is down, and they tell me that, I will help summon them. However it’s still not a great excuse, because you have a Dalaran hearth, and cloaks from guilds if you join and can easily get to a portal and back to vald. So we can agree to disagree on this one.

[@UberJesus]

@@zizthesin This is an amazing self-report.

[@Lanathanel]

From personal experience you're totally right, even when it talks about strategy too much, it's most likely a quick 1-minute brick in pugs.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly I have seen it too many times. I like to think the best of pugs are the ones who don't need any talk like this. They just adapt and do their best.

[@schmidth]

Anyone doing these crazy type pulls are delusional. They save max 1 minute with all the crazy shit throughout the key and then time the key with 5-10 mins left anyway. They just copy +30 key strats, not realizing that those strats are risky and only done because it's necessary

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@schmidth in this case you are right. This isn't needed at all and does not impact the timer at all. But it's common, and it's very easy to do. Again they could have wiped, pulled it all a second time, and still been on pace for double upgrade. So the strategy is relatively moot. But it does contribute to the disband here, simply because of how it plays out with the mage.

[@russbakr]

For me personally - any dps tells me what / how / to pull when I tank - I tell em go somewhere or roll up a tank - let me tank - you go pew pew

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's the worst for sure. Putting unnecessary pressure on me is an easy way to make me play poorly.

[@iamme625]

It's kinda wild to me that people talking is seen as a red flag. I join groups, greet the others, we have a quick chat while buffing up, ready check, timer and go and then stuff gets said as needed throughout the dungeon. I think most people play the game to have fun and it's boring just doing endless dungeon runs where no one says more than a 'hi' and 'tyfg'

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm well honestly I do think most players are doing it just to do the content. I think people joining keys to socialize is a slim minority, even if that might sound strange.

[@Jacksonb21]

In my experience, the biggest red flags are 1. Joining and immediately saying something along the lines of “brb, smoke 2 minutes” ESPECIALLY if they’re one of the last people to join. 2. Joining and then immediately wanting a summon 3. People that say something like “go,go” right before the key starts when people are changing a talent or prepping or something

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Those all resonate with me too. The "gogo" when it's obvious others aren't ready is the funniest though. Had a paladin saying gogo while we were standing in front of a boss while a DPS was running back lol

[@Jacksonb21]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I just did a 20 EB where we all zone in the dungeon and we’re all ready except for the tank and he goes. “2 minutes, grilling a sandwich” I call him out on it and say “you Couldn’t have done that before the key?” He gets really mad and calls me a d*ck and says it’s only 2 minutes. The leader kicks him and the tank gives us nasty messages with some homophobic slurs in it. was from Rag too. People think their time is more valuable and they’re usually entitled when you have to wait on them for something silly

[@madhudson1]

A greeting beforehand and a thank you and goodbye afterwards, just at the very least to acknowledge there are humans behind the keyboards

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I'm fine with that for sure. Forced small talk is not my thing though. I don't really do that, in game, or irl. But if others want to, I wouldn't fault them at all n

[@nathanw4897]

Yea I say “hi” before keys and gg after keys. But I barely even look at chat during the key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You are missing so much funny stuff haha

[@driiifter]

Honest to god red flags for me in keys: 1. A DPS criticizes the tank right after I start sweating bullets physically over the tank. It probably gets worse from there, 50/50 chance and by worse I mean brick imminent. 2. I have to dump heals into one single DPS player more than the tank just to keep the run going and if I stop, they die every other pull almost. This is basically a ticking time bomb brick. Either someone else is gonna see a complete carry is in the group (these DPS I have to spam heal are usually below tank) and leave or I'm going to leave because I don't feel like hand holding just for a depleted key. The fact that people see a DPS below the tank and just keep going kinda blows me away.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Most people realize it just doesn't matter this season. No need to leave when you can still succeed in the key right?

[@radenkovic2856]

​@@heythereguysitsMetroyes but by carrying those people they get more and more Rio. And they are a threat to other groups. When people with 3k Rio do less dmg than the tank it becomes a problem.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@radenkovic2856 3k can be achieved without even having three dps in the party. You judging people based on one key with them is just you flexing your own ego. If your goals are not to try your best and make your group the best it can be every time, stop pugging. You are the "threat" in that case. One guy underperforming to your expectations is not in any way an issue for the greater community.

[@radenkovic2856]

@@heythereguysitsMetro okay let me expand my point. Obviously I also see if they interrupt, use utility, use defensives and so on throughout a key. And the later ones are the more important ones to me. As you said, dps isn't the most important. It's more important to stay alive. But when there are ppl in 26s who for example get hit by the bleed in uldaman last season and don't press anything even though they have like unending resolve and dark pact ready, then sorry. But they are definetely a threat. Because even if they don't die, they put so much stress on the healer that everybody elses chance to die is significantly higher

[@Yarrex]

those are the extact players typing "link achieve know fights don't be bad"

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, just typing that has no real substance to it.

[@Ieonblack]

25++ 27 after

[@kickthunt4239]

I'm the "Hi" at the start of a dungeon guy. I don't want silly chatter either, as I too regard it as a red flag, no one is there to do anything except run the dungeon in time but the "Hi" for me is an acknowledgement that there are 4 other human beings in your group, so don't be an ass. No one wants to listen to anyone's life story, hear about their STD or to be invited round for Sunday lunch. I am from the UK so we're kind of stuck up our own arses about manners but the EU people that are civil or courteous tend to be better players, whereas it's the silent majority who tend to be the ones who will be the first to flame or get toxic at the first available opportunity, it's probably a different mindset in NA or other parts of the world.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, no doubt. I can see that perspective for sure. Maybe it is different because of where we were raised too, you are probably right.

[@ILLIEGELMEDIAVIDEOS]

Did a 23 Rise a few weeks ago had a warlock messing around before the key asking if anyone smoked weed and off topic stuff. Once the key start we’re killing trash before Tyr and 2 packs in he just says, “not feeling this run guys in out” and leaves.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Geez that's bad. Wish you recorded that one!

[@Manakuski]

Wow. Social aspect being a red flag. That is crazy. I like to type stuff before and after a key often, yet i always come prepared, focus 100%, never join a key if i know i don't have the time and i'm often the guy saving the group from bad casts or using clutch rallying cries/intervenes. So if that is a red flag, that has to be a thing across the ocean.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No sadly, its just basic human behavior. And obviously I am not saying that literally everyone who types anything is going to be like this Mage. But typing is pretty much pointless in keys after a certain level. Almost nothing productive gets said, and when typing starts, it usually doesn't stop until people have left. That's just my experience after 6+ years of pugging.

[@Manakuski]

@@heythereguysitsMetro well, obviously if the player says something really dumb, it can be a red flag. However if someon cracks a really good joke or other humour, or tells a funny story about what happened to them for example in a previous key, usually the keys i've been in go well. Although i would also like to say that i have timed most of the 20-24 keys i have played this season quite easily with only a handful of catastrophies and a few unlucky ones.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Manakuski Ya, this season kinda blurs a lot of lines I suppose.

[@Manakuski]

@@heythereguysitsMetro this is because timers are very generous and bad players get boosted too easily.

[@Synthesisz]

If I dont see a route or any kind of strategy talk before the key starts I just know its most likely a deplete and if it's my key I just kick them. But it also depends on the key, if I'm doing low keys like 18-23 I dont expect that but when I'm pushing it's pretty much mandatory to at least send a route.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's funny, I find the exact opposite. What value do you find having a route linked before a key?

[@Synthesisz]

@@heythereguysitsMetro So i know how to use my cds depending on pulls, where to save pot for skip/etc the basic stuff, for example ive had many runs where i have no idea what we're pulling and how much and i end up using cds too early and even ripping aggro and dying since i thought we're doing the usual pull. I just wanna know what to expect.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Synthesisz gotcha and you are able to discern that all within a minute of looking at a route? In my experience you just want to be using your CDs on cd to maximize the actual timer. I never link a route, and honestly the people who ask for it usually are the players that end up being the worst. Seems like analysis by paralysis sort of thing. You just need to think on your feet and you are fine.

[@Synthesisz]

@@heythereguysitsMetro could be a region difference, im on EU and in high keys most of the times we require route linked and discuss important parts of the key like skips/unusual pulls/etc. Ofc cds are used on cd but i prefer to know what we're about to do at any point.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Synthesisz I feel ya. I know it's ideal. I just can't imagine it would be easy to see the entire route in full and learn anything about it in the minute or so you have access to it.

[@Fogwell94]

Meh, I like talking before keys. It's always fun to have some friendly banter before, or even after a wipe. You can make friends that way, at least I did. Found a DH just last week and we did a couple more keys together. Perhaps I am doing way too low keys to be at the "no talk" level ( doing 24s) but for me even if it's a deplete it's much better when you can just laugh it out. Like, we had a deplete in DHT 24 on the First pack, the mage ( it's always them) was doing less damage than the tank, dirs and immediately leaves. And since we had some banter at the start I ask "Anyone for the 23? :D" They ended up staying and we timed it. If you get to a level where no one is supposed to talk then I might go and play some single player game tbh. Then, when the talk is extremely dumb ( I am high, suck my D) then yeah, I agree, red flag

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I get it for sure. It's meant to be a social thing. Just sadly too much talk creates distractions and can lead to tilting and worse. A zero talk run will always only ever come down to gameplay, which I prefer. Have had too many keys end because of egos or stupid chatter that causes people to get distracted.

[@EsmeeSenju]

I usually don’t say hi in the beginning unless I’m greeted by KH or someone in group. At the end of keys, I usually like to say TYGR (“Thank you! Good run!”) to still acknowledge there’s a human behind the keyboard. Most experiences of mine with bricked PUGs are from no communication, or unnecessary banter before the key starts.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya its the unnecessary banter that bothers me. I don't remember the last time there was actually something to talk about and no one spoke honestly. At least on my main. Used to happen all the time in low keys. People just clearly not understanding the mechanics and no one talking about how to fix it haha

[@Kittsuera]

Predictor is if if a route is linked in a low key. Or if a strat calls for a skip that the timer does not require. Especially if it fails. Talking doesn’t really predict anything alone. There has to be other factors. Like ilvl, score comp for the affix. Overly expecting perfect play and unwillingness to adapt is 100% a predictor of a failed key if you can just find out how to establish this expectation. If the player is in a rush that’s another sign unless its close to a reset time.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Over complicating easy keys is a huge issue for sure.

[@-GrD1]

Yeah, i think you’re completely right on this one. I think when you have these kinda situations like 10 times, at least 8 of em will be a recipe for disaster. And im not willing to take the risk that it might be one of the two people that don’t.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, well said there. Its not 100 percent of people obviously. But its more than the alternative, so that makes me want to not play under these circumstances.

[@guimatrialarts]

I entered a key 24, I used my interrupt 33 times, the second 25 times, the third only 3 times. I sent a simple message to the third player saying: Use your interrupt more often. the guy replied me, ''Why so toxic?'' I didn't even say anything else hahahaha .......for the love of God.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm that's funny, but ya to be fair if the guy isn't interrupting you telling him to do it isn't likely to change things. That's kind of what I mean with all this. Just carry on and see what happens. Talking about it SHOULDN'T be an issue, but it often is.

[@spudbencer7179]

Heres a tip for next time formulate it like this: "Yo Paladin can you help me out with interrupts pls?" or "Yo paladin I could use some help with the interrupts ^^" Couple more words, insanely different tone. It is not hard to do and it does not hurt to do it this way. If I was the person you were talking to and you would tell me "Use your interrupt more often", in case I did use my interrupts anyway, which also happened to me at some point as a matter of fact, then I would consider it unfriendly especially because you seem so confident in the fact that I did not use my interrupt often enough, while I may think I did. That doesn't mean the person is right in their feeling or thinking, just that he person is in fact feeling and one has to consider this in their calculations and a simple nicer tone makes it much less frustrating of an experience to actually get better at playing the game.

[@guimatrialarts]

​@@spudbencer7179 Yes thanks for the tip, of course I could have formulated the sentence better, but from my point of view I didn't want to be toxic or extend the conversation too much, to give him a chance to misunderstand me, I was objective and honest because I have the logs in case he opened up to a friendly conversation

[@AnotherAntonio]

I joined a group for Fall today and immediately received a whisper asking me to summon them, but they were in Valdraken. I left.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Good choice tbh

[@Joshua-ix4bh]

I don't know how to get to Lots of places and i can do +20 content

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Joshua-ix4bh dungeons are on the map man now and there are portals to every zone. Take a minute to figure out where all 8 are. That's all it takes.

[@JackhammerRAGE]

I can't stand the pre-pull antics like someone sitting in Valdrakken then demanding to be summoned, when everyone else took the 10 seconds required to run through the timeway portal and fly the short distance to the dungeon. I've left groups on several occasions when someone does that since it doesn't fill me with the confidence that they're a team player and I'd prefer to get into a group where the mindset is on the team not the individual.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that would be my number 2. The talk is usually worse. But if some one is selfish enough to not even try to come to the dungeon then they likely will not be worth having in a pug.

[@kfactor99]

Yeah 100%. One time someone legit begged for a summon cuz they said everything was on CD and they were in the Emerald Dream. I was like okaaaaay I guess…

[@kfactor99]

@@snowballs2023the problem isn’t the summoning stone. It’s the people. But yeah I just sit in the dungeon too.

[@radenkovic2856]

I got to 25s/26s this season in a few weeks and I enjoy talking in an MMO. I enjoy talking before the key and joking around. During the key there is maybe a moment in between pulls where you can type a quick "lol" after something crazy happened but not much more. And after the key I also enjoy talking about a situation or two. It's like gameplay review lite 😅

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that time you type "lol" is the most dangerous of all. People can easily misconstrue this and it can lead to an argument. If you insist on typing, try to type direct statements with actual words. The whole "lol", "?", "..." thing is just super pointless speech and is going to do far more harm than good.

[@radenkovic2856]

@@heythereguysitsMetro ye but I also like to do question mark pings on my teammates if they fail flash in league 😂😂 If I can time a key that's nice, but if I can have some laughs, that's even nicer. Rio is just a number in the end

[@radenkovic2856]

@@heythereguysitsMetro oh and to add on that. If you are in high elo in league and someone fails, you prolly have at least one other guy also pinging. But in high elo people understand it's mostly banter and nothing personal. It's the same in 25s + When ur in silver though and you do that, prepare yourself getting insulted 😂 same in lower keys. There are obviously exceptions, but for the most part it's true

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@radenkovic2856 Problem is the banter is pointless and just makes the player play worse. Whether they are "immune" to the banter isn't really relevant. All it takes is one bad day and you just tilted your teammate.

[@radenkovic2856]

@@heythereguysitsMetro it's pointless depending on your goals. If you only care about timing the key or winning the game (in the league example) I agree. But in my experience it helps if you don't take everything super serious (unless you're cutting edge top 0,1% which we all are not) and rather play for fun. And I don't mean that you shouldn't care about the key/game and troll. I still try my best, but I achieve my best in a chill setting.

[@Boo-QuiQui]

As I always say, the best groups I've had are where people say "hello", they arrive at the dungeon promptly, and then instantly start consumables and begin the key. Easy 2 to 3 chest almost every single time. Any "Summon" or "summons please" usually result in a kick and reform. The ones demanding or requesting summons are almost ALWAYS lowest dps and highest damage taken. (Also a bonus, no interrupts either.. I know, shocker.)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Needing summons is a big flag for me too. But ya I agree. The less dally there is the better.

[@bynamscott5564]

I completely agree with you, too much talking is red flag for sure. Best runs I ever had only contained hello,hi at start and good run,tnx for joining at the end. There is nothing to talk about,just 5 people in a grp need to know what to do in a dungeon they signed up to do.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I agree. It's just too likely to be something that doesn't need to be said, and that can easily lead to tilting and arguments.

[@Maru-et6of]

honestly it would be nice if we lived in a world were people actually had nice conversations in an mmo, but in practice it just doesnt work that way. its really without fail, the people that start chatting away are the first to either fuck something up, or to completely lose their shit the second doesnt go according to their plans

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that is my exact experience too. It's sad but the internet in general has changed a ton since the game came out

[@characterantula4868]

I love theres other people out there with this mindset. I have used the saying "no talking" anytime someone even remotely starts complaining or providing commentary.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly its just too likely to be a negative thing.

[@revvs4791]

Another MAJOR red flag I've been running into is people asking "What key is this again?". If you're signing, you should remember what key you're going to. Even if you're spam signing up to groups. You have a second to look at what key it was before you hit accept to join. Between this, the laziness of just not coming to the key, and asking what key it is. Any of these and I'm out of the group instantly.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha I can see that. I legit never know what key I am in but can quickly figure it out based on where the players are. I never have to ask but I also never know lol

[@KurodiaYozora]

This is not just a low key level issue; the amount of times these sorts of stuff happen from 25-26-27-28-29 in pugs are not that rare, altho not knowing that blink cancels out shroud may not really happen at those key levels, but other issues that are also knowledge related can happen and equally deplete keys, like tanks leaving keys because the healer used an external on them when they had a defensive up (yes this happens, it is an ego thing), or healers not knowing when to dispel on 2nd boss in Fall, or dps also not knowing not to move when being dispelled on the 2nd boss falls. People just need to chill a bit, not talk about pointless things but actually ask the important questions such as; where is your mom? is she single? Do you have a sister? is she single? and, why are you reporting me? We just really need to have these sorts of discussions, it's not healthy to go into groups without properly communicating first!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya for sure it happens at every key level. Really it's worse at higher up because the atmosphere is so much more tense and potentially dangerous.

[@Kirschbaum2000]

As soon as i would have read comments like that in my key, i would have left it instantly.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that's the way I feel too. Just no way that player is going to take the key serious after that.

[@Saluuntv]

I've only been pugging keys between +11 and +20 but I absolutely agree when people talk too much or say weird shit before the key starts that's a recipe for disaster. I usually try to stick "Hey" and "Ty for the key, take care". The other week I was in a group for Fall +18, and the last person to be invited was a tank.. we got a DH and immediately as he joined he says "I'm so tilted, I lost all my gold" "I don't even have enough to repair ffs" .. and then he got removed or left before the key started.. if he didn't I would have left 100%.. why even join a key when you are tilted and can't even afford repair like wtf??

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's the worst, when people are upset before the key even starts and then want to tell other people about it rofl

[@user-kc2wg3cc1u]

The more someone talks before the run, the more concerned I get. Those are the ones who usually are the most toxic. It never fails.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yup, I always assume if they are talking now, with no stress, they will be talking a lot under stress too. And the more that happens the more the talk may be misconstrued as a fight.

[@RideRM1313]

this is true in retail but the complete opposite in sod. When you got people saying 4chan level things in BFD, you know everyones about to parse 90+ lmao

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha classic is certainly a unique beast

[@BIGDIZZBBY]

I usually talk, have fun, and I dance on the key hole before hand but not when it’s 22s and up lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Don't think I have ever heard it called a "key hole" haha

[@tinyshaman3050]

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[@TacticalNomadGaming]

i agree with what your saying but there are people like myself who just enjoy being friendly chatting b4 the key starts after that i tank and do my thing but personally i enjoy the chat b4 a key

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gotcha, I'm sure there are many that enjoy it. Its just something I see as a predictor for failure. The more chatter about non-productive stuff, the more likely there will be chatter when things start going poorly.

[@TacticalNomadGaming]

@@heythereguysitsMetro thanks for the input I've always enjoyed your content

[@Calybara]

As someone who is doing 0 to 3,000 IO on every class, I think the biggest problem is that you're speaking from a "higher" key point of view. You have to understand that once you get to the 3,000 IO (which is like 22-23 every key), you're hitting an "I'm going to TRY" point, not an "I will try enough to finish the key" in levels 11-20. I do think that for people who are struggling or want to reach a higher level of key, they are going to approach keys like this and judge them as if they are 3k+ IO players, not someone attempting to gain experience and perform better from a lower IO skill level. Take all keys with a pinch of salt. Many people I've met in the 3k+ IO range are trash-talking memers, but when push comes to shove, they do perform to the standard I would expect from the players I choose to be with. Remember, it's a game, not your career. Stuff happens, and if people are so worried or upset about pugging, then don't pug. Find a community, guild, or friends to get better with, or use your own keystone and don't join random groups. That way, you have full control over your experiences pugging with people.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I have read your comment a bunch now and honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make. You are saying that you experience people who talk like this to actually be good players? Okay, well that is not my experience at all, in 6 years of pugging. The complete opposite actually.

[@Calybara]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro Thats my bad Im more of a speaking person than a typing. Everyone's had different experiences, cultural and ingame and from someone who plays on EU alot of UK people just banter about before keys. I think its all about your view on the persons choice of words example with the guy who said my dick hurts is probably a childminded person or someone whos attempting to be funny. But most people "yo/hi" / "banter" > get to dungeon > wipe/brick/time key > go on your day. Sorry if I came across rude or ignorant wasn't my best comment as i said before speaking is my strong point. (The easiest way to add some form of fix is to add a soft-reset to keys) Example: you do a 22 AD someone leaves at the start or before the first 5 minutes theres a peroid where the person who owns the key is allowed to keep the level but isn't allowed to swap or lower the level of the key if they choose to keep its current level. Which would allow them to keep the key at its level but wouldnt allow it to be abused.

[@albusanguis]

i think the biggest red flag is high rio. higher rio then the key you are doing usually mean people arent trying and often mess up since its so easy you dont have to try. also if you are a alt of a high rio main, similar often doing stupid shit failing basic stuff like pulling for the tank unkillable packs and ignoreing mechanics what kill them or wipe the group.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's totally on my radar too. Seeing some one way overqualified for a key, especially a higher one, immediately makes me concerned with that guys outlook on the key.

[@jbugjbugjbug]

For me a telltale sign on top of being overly talkative is people that don’t go to the dungeon, especially if it’s over a 23 and everyone has portals or some way to get there. The people that just expect a summon are continuously shitters and if there’s 4/5 in the dungeon waiting to start and that last person refuses to walk to the dungeon I leave before the key starts.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, I agree with the summon thing for sure.

[@rockyrobinson9133]

I don't view light hearted chat before a key as a red flag. A red flag to me is when someone is vulgar or telling the group "don't suck" kind of stuff. Once the key starts if I see stupid in chat, it is a red flag and the big brick is incoming.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's just that any chat can open the door for tilting chat. To me, silence is the only way I can be sure that won't happen.

[@sackless1]

Nah, I agree. If someone is overly talkative before the key goes in, they'll spend more time in the chat than doing their stuff. There are other crazy red flags talking about utterly nothing before a key

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that's the way I see it. Too much typing leads to distraction and tilting, and potentially arguments.

[@scottreed2625]

Interesting conversation. I find the opposite to be true if zero talking is going on that key is defo dead lol. This is my first ever full season of M+ (started about 7 weeks into season 2) so not got that much experience but if a tank doesnt post a route (23+) then I instantly think we r in for a bad time. I agree if its childish shit is going on that's a red flag but if people are just having a little chit chat before the keys im taking that as a positive sign. Really enjoy your content would love to grab a key or 2 with u at some point! (sitting at around 3346 in my first full season so fairly chuffed)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm interesting. If there is no talking, at all, it means there is also no fighting right? I don't really see how the default opposite position could be true. I suppose it is of course crucial WHAT is being said, but to me anything being said is usually a predictor that something negative might also be said eventually, and that will be the end of a key. A route is not something you need to worry about in a 23 though. Just follow the tank and do your best. Most dungeons don't feature much wiggle room now. Perhaps that's the difference though. I'm coming at it with 6+ years of pugging experience, and coming from a landscape where there honestly WAS a lot more to talk about back in the day, especially in s1 of Shadowlands. Now its basically just walk forward, land interrupts, and don't die to bosses and you upgrade every key.

[@scottreed2625]

@@heythereguysitsMetro That is a fair point, believe someone else said it well too. I feel like not even saying hello back is a massive red flag like if u cant even say hello or anything then how much do u actually care that 4 other people are here using their time. I agree in some instances a route isnt needed but in EB or DHT for example there are like 4-5 decent routes it would be nice to know for cool down manage which ones u r doing also to save pot for invis or if i can just use ultimate power. Cant really comment of previous expansions apart from legion but i wasnt even an adult back then so memory is a bit fussy. I wish people would be able to to walk forward and land interrupts lol

[@Fotumain13]

I tried to think of something before I watched this video, and came to the same conclusion I did. Toxic players are willing to type out everything that makes them irritated, and will type out random bs before keys. New/Noobish players are exceedingly friendly and give themselves away before the key most of the time. Banter before a key, whether good or bad, is an omen for sure. The best thing you can do if someone gets upset and starts leaving rage party comments, Is completely ignore them. If you engage your key is 100% going to die.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya super good point there at the end. Some times you need to just swallow your words. If one guy is running your mouth and the other four ignore them it's likely to be salvageable.

[@tinyshaman3050]

I watched the video, also checked some of your comments, i disagree with the part that you say best pugs are the ones that don't talk at all. I agree on the rest of your words.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I see.

[@unsettled1821]

biggest red flag for me is at the start of the key people saying they're "high". I normally just leave that key

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

oh god lol ya that's a pretty good indication its gonna be a bad one

[@danbacon8387]

people who don't say hi are a red flag for me, from my experience those sorts of people are the first to leave. but yeah saying dumb stuff like that is a red flag too, also as tank i like to just clarify at the start where i want bloodlust and if the person who has it doesn't reply or says something like "so same as usual" they are usually the type to leave after a mistake too. just say okay or something to let me know you read it

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya basically any social discord before the key started means here is already tension building which is far more likely to boil over than otherwise once the going gets tough.

[@azkendarken4403]

lol dude what did you do with the algorithm that your video was recommended to xqc xd I watch "XQC REACTS TO NEW AND FUNNY TIKTOKS" after 11:37 your video is right there

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Just based on watch history and relevancy. No one really knows for sure how it works though. I certainly don't haha

[@enzoshink7597]

that kind of key leaving should be definitely punished

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I totally agree especially with video evidence. This is really not okay.

[@her0268]

Talking about strategy is fine for the most part, but as a general rule if someone says some dumb shit in a pug before the key, I leave the group or kick them if it's my own key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, especially some stuff like this.

[@BIGDIZZBBY]

People from Ragnaros, and people who type stuff like that before hand typically brick your key lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya

[@madDjakni]

Personally I disagree that typing of any form before the key is a red flag, but I will grant that I'm biased as I'm known for chatting and trolling a bit before keys. To me it's more a red flag when people are just standing around (usually in Valdrakken) demanding a summon or they're off somewhere in a random area asking for people to wait "cause they just need a couple more minutes to farm this mount/achieve/etc" I don't mind people asking for summons because they need to go to the bathroom or they were out doing something else before the key and it's quicker than hearthing and running as long as people are ready to go when the group is full (exceptions for bathroom breaks or other reasonable irl disruptions) I don't mind a bit of chatter. It's a social game, I'm not always in the mood to socialize but then I just ignore and only respond if there's questions directly for me.

[@madDjakni]

Another red flag for me as a tank main in keys is dps being demanding about routes/pulls (i.e "do this like that cause that's how I like it") questions and suggestions are fine imo but as soon as they try to dictate what or how I pull (especially because it usually means they're going to pull ahead of me which is my biggest pet peeve). It may be just an ego thing but imo if you want to control the route just play the tank.. and if you intentionally pull you can fucking tank it yourself.. so many warriors charging in before me I start laughing in frustration everytime I watch them die to it

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No doubt. I agree the summoning or other selfish behavior is not good either. But I do feel like the chatting thing just leads to too many issues. Like if there is a death and people start talking about it it can easily lead to tilt or pressure on the guy that may lead to further issues. Where as if there is zero talk at all, nothing further comes from it. But ya I get it. It depends on what is being said obviously. Just fine that any talk is worse than no talk after 6 years of pugging.

[@madDjakni]

@@heythereguysitsMetro well yeah stands to reason, people who don't chat before the key are 100% less likely to type anything if things are going wrong.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@madDjakni Right, ya that's exactly why I feel that way. Really 100 percent of why honestly. Typing anything if things go wrong is the reason keys disband the most in my experience.

[@madDjakni]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Depends on what is typed and how, I tend to type quickly after wiping my group or almost wiping (usually on the way back or after the pull) something along the lines of "whoops got a bit cocky there" or "my bad missed defensive". Also as long as it's not some passive aggressive (or just aggressive) comment and it's addressing the issue and not the player (f.x "that cast cant go through" vs "use your interrupts idiots") It may just be an EU vs NA thing but in my experience on EU people typing isn't generally an issue, people being toxic and/or childish are tho.

[@Hadesxo027]

One thing about talking before key. You would be surprised how many people don't give a sh#t even on higher keys. If you tell them to "clean together" on last boss in TOTT you are telling them something obvious they should do, but guess what if you don't tell them, then they don't do. Or just stop for casting 1-2 spells because that wouldn't hurt, right? I think the "right amount of talking" is completely fine, especially for things which can save normally 1-2 mins during the run. E.g. Yazma positioning / if tank marks it, etc. If you play with a premade on DC thats a different story, but imho you do need to communicate a bit in order to succeed with pugs.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I get that perspective for sure. It's just to me, I feel like your example can back fire as much as it can succeed. Say "clean together" and the person may either ignore you and cause a fight afterwards, or worse. They will disagree and then a real issue starts. Where as saying that is totally obvious and they should know to do it already. I think the percentage of there being a disagreement is higher than there people players who need your instruction on how to do those mechanics, is all.

[@Ieonblack]

Haha I just left a yapping group while i was just waiting to start and got shit talked for it, gotta make sure u say "gtg, work call".

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha naw just own it. You are obviously not doing anything offensive by leaving the group before the key starts.

[@goodapollofosho]

Disagree, from my personal experience a bad player/leaver's only red flag is only revealed until its too late. E.g. when they leave or when they do something stupid during the key, personally I think its detrimental to judge any behaviour until it directly effects the key. I have found people who talk are just as likely to be the main contributing factor for a bricked key as someone who is silent.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well in the case you see in the video, you stand by that? You feel like that kind of communication can be coming from a level headed, mature player willing to try their best in the face of difficulty? Or do you just mean in the general sense I was discussing it past the video?

[@goodapollofosho]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I stand by it whether we're talking about the specific case in this video or any of your or my own past m+ experiences. I believe you're correlating someone's sense of humour, which is varied from person to person, age group to age group, to their commitment/knowledge level. I've been recording run's since I started watching your videos/streams and the best group I've had the current season was filled with short banter and chatting in between pulls/bosses. But maybe I'm wrong, I just think a bad precedent to set within the community that someone's sense of humour or being talkative (specifically if it doesn't directly effect their performance in the key), is a determining factor the key will fail.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@goodapollofosho Ya, its just something I have observed over the years. Surprised to hear anyone defend this action though. Hope I'm misunderstanding you. This has nothing to do with a sense of humor.

[@goodapollofosho]

@@heythereguysitsMetro maybe you have misunderstood me, what action do you think I'm defending?

[@Mike_TGL]

Talking before the key starts is a red flag for me. Especially in low keys. I've had DPS players demand to know what route we are going in a +12. It's completely unnecessary at that level.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's really annoying honestly. People say things like they need to know where to use their CDs, like they shouldn't just be using them on cd lol

[@kaffeepause9057]

As a Shaman I want to talk about BL timings. Usually I suggest certain timings and people comment to it so that the group knows when BL is about to come down. There are players who say "just pop it on CD" but I think you can loose several minutes with that. If my mates don't react to my suggestions but trash talk about it later in the Key... thats a red flag to me😅

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

The bloodlust thing is something I do agree with. Understanding where to use it is important. But I do think people over worry about it. You really can just use it on every boss it's up for and that's fine. But a lot of dungeons do time out very well to use it on cd this season.

[@Salee357]

Idk what to say without being overly negative. The only good thing is , if we can even call it good is that there is a bunch of 23 keys out there. But i commented this on another video of yours , keys up to level 20 should be for gearing as well as for people who just want to loot maximum item lvl 489. So if you are not super serious into pushing just go and play those levels. On the other hand if you care about pushing people should know better.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly the thing that needs to be remembered is that the key holder now has a 22, despite absolutely ZERO happening in this key that would necessitate him failing, other than inviting this clown.

[@Salee357]

True, that's why maybe having a drop down menu is the solution so keys ultimately don't exist and the only thing holding you back from selecting a certain level of key is item lvl + score. @@heythereguysitsMetro

[@apotheonffxiv]

That's just the average mage in higher keys, right on the money with predicating that would happen the moment the mage typed something so childish in the chat before the key started. Seemed like a bit of Karma as well considering he just got one shot on first pull and then just leaves out of possibly sheer embarrassment to dying first so quick.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, sadly I doubt that karmic justice is any solace to the guy who's key it was. I'm sure anyone doing that key expects an easy upgrade, or at least a bit longer of a key than that.

[@apotheonffxiv]

@@heythereguysitsMetro yeah that was just straight up disrespectable to the key holder and the other party members who want to do a key that isn't even a difficult dungeon, can easily upgrade the key even at +1.

[@Mindy_T]

I did a dung with my community and when I signed up the key I proactively asked in the chat if I could finish the dig event. The key owner agreed and was fine. The rogue in group started saying something like: shall we play or not? 😅 I mean… I told you lol. That was a red flag 🚩. Second red flag is when I finally was finished and flew (not summoned but flew since people are too lazy to summon) second red flag 🚩 third red flag was the same rogue saying that I owed him a flask. I don’t know if he was joking or not but there was no emotes so, since I’m an alchemist and I’ve got plenty of potions I gave some… 🚩 We timed the key but this rogue kept writing in chat, analysing every pull, what could’ve done better… etc… I hate these people.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's pretty much exactly what I am talking about about. Although I would also say anyone asking to make the group wait to do some world content would not be favorable in my eyes either. But obviously minor compared to the other behavior.

[@tinyshaman3050]

First two red flags are about you not them, you were the red flag.

[@Mindy_T]

@@tinyshaman3050 naaa man, that was the requirement when I signed up. They were begging for a tank in the community and I said I could tank but only if I finish the dig, else for them to wait for another tank. They seemed to agree since it was quite early and the community was not populated. I’m not really a red flag I think but a helpful person. I didn’t need that dung.

[@tinyshaman3050]

@@Mindy_T then yes, that might feel bad when you offered your kindness and someone acted like that! I don't know if i would stay as calm as you in that condition

[@spudbencer7179]

Edit: I mean it depends on the content of the "chatter" ofcourse. The Chatter you had in the example shows you are playing with some 12 year old. I have the exact opposite experience so far. I am actually the person who types the most usually. Because I am not playing League of Legends where typing is some sort of inofficial war crime and I highly dislike the fact that people think the way you do about typing. I do not want that League of Legends experience. I do not type during fights though, unless it is crucial information. People who do not talk on the other hand, oftentimes just leave as quickly and as quietly as they joined the moment anything goes remotely wrong. And I have not even played anything as high as you so far, as I am a rather new player to the game. I never left anyones key, nor did I give up before someone else gave up and bricked the key by leaving (saying this because of me being someone who likes to talk to people in the game, as I said). I also rarely insult people in chat or am unfriendly. If people being aholes, I may get mad eventually though. Therefore I had one or two occasions where someone was unfriendly towards me and made me kind of explode at some point. But I am not gonna type anything negative if you are friendly, as in "You are so bad" or whatever. The only things I write *during* the dungeon would be strategy related to finish the key in time, with the current group in the current circumstances. If the current circumstances means having a DPS with 2 broken hands then that's what it is. I cannot fix that, so I have to work with it and I am not gonna flame them and waste someones key by wasting time doing that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's actually something I picked up from league myself too. People typing usually leads to people arguing, is all. That's my experience after 6 years of pugging. But surely no one who acts like this mage gets a pass from anyone haha

[@spudbencer7179]

@@heythereguysitsMetro yeah definitely not that mage was the type of kid getting autofilled to another lane in league and saying "mid or feed" or getting solo killed 3 times by Minute 2 and then saying "jgl???? no gank all game" and then going afk 😂😂

[@dr3armer]

Another red flag that kinda goes along with what you said: someone trying to explain all the mechanics of the dungeon when its 10 weeks into the season. They usually get angry if someone doesnt do the mechanics 100% the way they want them to

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yup absolutely. Guys like that are probably worse than anything because they believe it you make a mistake you aren't listening to them and that is an insult to their position in the key.

[@him7487]

You arent wrong on this at all, every single key where someone is talking more than the usual "heys" or whatever, that key immediately goes to shit. I don't like leaving dungeons mid key obviously, but if I join a group and there's a lot of pointless talking I leave. I've seen this exact situation play out too many times.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I would advocate leaving before it starts if its happening for sure. But leaving during it is silly. Talking is bad, but its obviously not worse than actual failure. This is about PREDICTING the failure before it starts, not once the key has already began haha

[@Kela1031]

having people chat in a pug key is just so weird to me. If all 5 ppl says 'hi' before we start I'm impressed. I play on EU though. So not everyone speaks english well. Could be a reason.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm to be honest not everyone speaks English here either haha

[@leffy3629]

I just make my title "NO QUITERS! No Time quiters" Honestly, as silly, or as pointless as this may seem. It's heavily decreased my chances of that happening. So much so that I've told others. While there is a small chance someone joins to troll, usually it doesn't happen. Funny enough, I get really good groups lol. It's worked for me, and so far it's been way way better. just detor the people who are anal about timing it anyway.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya that's actually a really wise choice. There will be some people who read that and refuse to sign up for sure. But out of every 10 people who do that you'd probably only regret having 1 of them. Meanwhile it should totally deter those guys with the backwards mentality that the best way to succeed is leave keys asap.

[@ThomasBachler01]

what key level are you doing?

[@KevinM0N]

100% agree that people need to communicate their intentions for that key. other wise you end up with a group of people with mix of goals or priorities, no wonder things do go as planned?

[@leffy3629]

@@ThomasBachler01 20-26 on my guardian bear druid.

[@ThomasBachler01]

@@leffy3629 that is pretty cool that it works in that range, I would have thought that starting from 25 it might be more tough to get the grp going. But maybe it's worth a try - thanks for the suggestion!

[@TheFinQ]

Before even watching the video I knew you will say that haha and I agree 100%

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya to be fair I'm predictable in that way. Glad you agree!

[@KevinM0N]

I have two things that happen b4 a key starts that makes me think twice 1) if someone thanks me for the invite. I know.. they are being nice; I get it.. I do .. and I dont do anything about it,.... but! I expect them to be the one to mess up >.< .... 2) if someone starts getting salty about something b4 the key even starts like "why the F aren't you here yet" after waiting 2 mins, yeah the key hasn't even started yet and you're acting like this. I'm going to leave b4 I'm stuck with you for 30 mins. #shouldbefun

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Certainly agree with #2. If they are upset before the key starts, it will not be a key with good chemistry at all. #1 is unique though, never heard some one say that to me before. I guess I don't see many people thank each other though. But ya, first thoughts on that go to the idea the guy is struggling to get invites, and that may be for a real reason, I suppose.

[@alansmith4395]

I dont need chatter, I do need people to say hello to start a run

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

How come?

[@alansmith4395]

just to show folks are awake and alive really. Like Im not dropping if they dont, but .. a greeting is kinda an indicator of civility@@heythereguysitsMetro

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@alansmith4395 gotcha, I can understand that for sure.

[@johnlinks]

Seeing a lot of mages out there that have no idea how to play their class. Doing 50k dps or less in keys. Looks about the same here with the mistakes lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

They are all getting baited into playing fire I think. It's just an awful spec for pugging, especially lower keys.

[@johnlinks]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro totally agree

[@sirdiealott]

Childish bullshit is a good tell. I include people's char names in that even more so. Aggressive meme names, names with "qt" and/or "lol" or other brospeak, are a hard pass.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya well I guess that includes my characters rofl. But I do agree in general. A name people don't create with respect is likely a player who lacks any at all. I just started using lol because of Athene back in the day and haven't gone away from it since.

[@Uncle-Ruckus.]

These are the type of players i hate the most, the ones who do a mistake then leave out of embarassment , sometimes on keya that were still timeable.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya this action should be bannable for sure. Totally unacceptable.

[@evolburd5768]

If you can't ever imagine typing something silly in a video game chat, then yes, you are taking the game too seriously. That said ive seen alot of people lately who even in 20+ keys who just dont understand how shroud works but above all else my number one depleted key this season is fall. That is because i keep getting disc preists who dont understand how disc works, and they sit there and flash heal spam.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Its nothing to do with the game. I can't see myself typing something like that ANYWHERE. Even just typing on an offline text document makes me shudder.

[@evolburd5768]

@heythereguysitsMetro lol fair enough. I was in the millitary, so maybe im just immune to this type of behavior.

[@Greg-iu6ys]

Yeah paying attention to small things like this can be really good indication what to expect from people -sad this part of content should bring relaxation and good time not the opposite

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it does suck to say that talking in an MMO is a bad thing.

[@luckygozer]

Huh this is actually pretty funny I recognize one of the players in this key. And guess why? Because they typed mid key and died from something silly while doing so.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya shocking huh? It's like there is a discernable pattern!

[@kamuimac]

and this is exactly why i never type in pugs - so that people cant report me because they are angry if i leave if i see failed group :) im genuinly curious if they stated they will shroud before start or if they didnt . yes its standard tech but then again its better to confirm 10 times then to waste key .

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well you'd need to have a LOT of people report you for anything to go wrong unless you are actually typing stuff against the TOS. But ya, in general, zero typing means the best chance for success, in my experience at least.

[@Crater1221]

They discuss it at 2:15

[@jschaddock9]

100% have kicked plenty of people for not saying hi when joining the group. 100% would just leave the group if they are all being children like that key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya, do you think that it's just disrespectful to not say hi or what? I have a bit of a social phobia around forced small talk so I never engage myself.

[@jschaddock9]

I consider it a simple greeting. I do say hi, hello, or hey when joining a group and often look for the same when filling my own group. I too don't participate in small talk, I type much to slow to really engage but will communicate things in type if that is my only option. I'm generally not super picky when filling a group but if I feel like someone is going to be a bad player and is also completely non-responsive they're out.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jschaddock9 gotcha thanks for explaining that!

[@kokoro9301]

HAHAH this is also one of mine, overly talkative is a red flag.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya been an issue for me consistently for years.

[@grenadanotthecountry]

my personal top predictor is having a rag, azralon, or qt player in the group, theyre the first people to ? in chat, flame, or just leave even if it's clearly recoverable. i just push mid 20s but i like having convos because like you were saying its an mmo and i like the social aspects, i think failing because ppl talk is just more notable since you see people talk less often, some sort of bias, but ive heard that sentiment expressed by others too. but i see plenty of people leave who never said a word up to that point and half the time its meaner than it needs to be

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Those realms are a problem for sure, but don't you feel like the realms have gotten so diluted that by now you see the same behavior on tons of different realms? It used to be an easier thing to identify.

[@grenadanotthecountry]

@@heythereguysitsMetro i do gotta agree, i also noticed a lotta the ppl from those realms moved realms but it is a pretty guaranteed way to reduce insta bricking

[@ramza675]

Small talk before the key is okay keep it brief. Talking also brings an element of chaos that can distract and derail a key. Time and place for everything.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that chaos is a huge factor too at times. All it takes is one guy telling me to do something I am not prepared for and it could lead to my death and a potential wipe. Where as if they just said nothing, all would be good.

[@ramza675]

@@heythereguysitsMetro agreed its comical how fast someones feelings can get hurt and ruin a key.

[@unclvinny]

Talking like an idiot pre-teen is waaaay more indicative of a problem than talking in general.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I would agree with that obviously, but I think that just says more about how ridiculous this sort of talking is than anything else. This is a very extreme example.

[@Joshua-ix4bh]

Make an addon that tracks quitting

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

?

[@saenct]

that might be a cultural thing. in germany you have a lot of childish shit talk before the key...it peaks from 20 - 24s but...that wouldve been about what i would expect

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, but is it useful to the key in some way? What's the actual point of it, is the thing I wonder.

[@tessamichael3120]

If the mage stayed probs coulda still timed the key too rip

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I mean literally no issue here at all. Even if they just pulled the stuff before that they skipped they could even just skip at the end if they were concerned with count.

[@psychoangel887]

HAHAHAHAHHA noway this is real it has to be staged

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Reality has surpassed parody at this point.

[@sirfisken91]

for me this is normal for fotm rerollers :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I would not say this behavior is ever normal. Luckily.

[@Chie_Gaming6969]

biggest red falg i n my +27-28 keys is when some one is talking about starts in EU that is, the best runs ai ahd is when evryone is stfu and do thier job, saying "hi" is the max

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's my exact thought process too. I get why people THINK they need to discuss strategies, but unless you are doing the dungeon for the first time, there really is nothing to discuss. Just do your best and adapt to what is happening as it happens. Plus, just from a psychology point of view, a lot of people talking about strategies are doing it because they are uncomfortable with the dungeon and its potential difficulty moving forward. Obviously if you are scared of certain parts of the dungeon and wishing to strategize around that, you are heavily predicting your own failure. But I'm sure that starts to matter more in a 28 than it does in my experience.

[@danoizedafunk753]

I was literally saying this same thing to my buddy at work this morning. Big red flag when people are talking before the key. My opinion, the only thing that should be said before is when do you want lust. No hi, no how’s it going, just when we lusting. That’s just me though. I know people like to be friendly and what not but I refuse to talk before or during a key. They only thing I will say at the end is GG

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

My exact thoughts. I don't mind a bit of basic strategizing for sure. But ya if they are going on about routes etc, its always going to end poorly, I find.

[@jambogamer-je2nf]

blackmoore is a gernam server, i avoid germans like the plague.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ritchie blackmore came to mind, he was English but apparently married a ton of Germans too so maybe you are right.

[@xsaber7]

Healer from Frostmourne, Illildan or Quelthalas. Maybe Azralon too.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly some problem realms out there. But universally talking too much is worse than people from any one realm.

[@Julmaa87]

Welcome to EU realms.. where nothing is out of bounds.. including 8 year olds playing the game.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya eu seems wild

[@Julmaa87]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I tanked a DHT 23 with a pug group, the mage kept pulling extra packs, the DH was pulling next packs for me.. it was mayhem.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Julmaa87 those are the ones you wanna record and send in so we can all laugh!