To me, it doesn't change anything. If you are wiling to learn now, you probably were willing to learn before the change. People still have friends or guildies to get them through lower keys. But I get your point

My only complaint with the new system is in regards to gearing fresh alts. The gear from heriocs isn't quite enough to go straight in to m+, but mythic 0 is on a lockout. The result is if you have bad luck especially, the jump from herioc to +2 is rough. Mix that with ppl setti g a high bar for +2s and it creates a real drag in the gearing process. I'm currently gearing a second toon and running in to this.

I have alot of trouble seeing the frontals in the first pulls of halls of infusion until you get to the first boss. Turned off scrolling combat text and still get murked 😔

I think you should always go right at HoI start for the skip. The first checkpoint is at frog boss, so any run back s before and up to him are super long.

It's great to see this. I'm sure many "bad" players always had it in them to learn, they just never did because the game didn't challenge them.

This is crazy to see. I remember in BFA I never actually learned what most of the mechanics were until you were already at a 15+ when the damage for abilities become VERY noticeable. I already has KSM before I learned the dungeons and got good at them and made my push to 20s. Cool to see they're actually teaching you right out the gate now.

my only issue with the difficulty thing is that it doesn't really ramp up, the game just goes from faceroll easy to skyrocketing difficulty

I'm not sure the priest learned anything. Leaving the group is a bad sign. Sure, he might be dying alot, but leaving could mean he doesn't want to go through the effort to learn the rest of the dungeon, or he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. If I were dying that much I'd sure be embarrassed, but I wouldn't stop the run unless they wanted to replace me.

If people are dying to the mechanics that are super easy to see/dodge does that mean we’re headed back to where doing damage isn’t as important as getting one shot by the non dodge able stuff? And which is better for the game

It was a lot of fun going in as an alt that was qualified for these zeros and twos. I almost felt like an undercover spy sneaking in somewhere I shouldn't be. Lol. Most of the time the hilarity came from me doing too much damage too quickly and pulling threat, that's why you saw me hold back when the tank kept going. I was like well I want to give him a good 5-10 second head start before I open up and delete these packs. (It had been an issue in every zero we had done before this.) All that being said I am so glad the system is working to teach people the dungeons. I do wonder, however, how well it will work in TWW s1. Usually we have 1 or 2 weeks before m+ and the raids open so there should be time for people to farm heroics and zeros and have fairly decent gear upgraded when the season opens proper. So they might actually be OVER-geared for the pluses when they start. Time will tell, though, in the end it always does.

It's nice now from a healer POV that HPS checks for unavoidable damage (see third boss of HoI with the persistent rot damage profile or the first boss with the Static Surge) are cleanly distinct from someone eating avoidable damage, which is typically in the realm of doing 80% of a player's max HP to outright one-shot.

But the players who ARE motivated to improve won’t join your group or accept your request to join their group. Unless you group with friends, or started at max ilvl when the season started- you will sit for an hour waiting for a tank or healer to join your group. Even doing the 0s last week for the weekly was ridiculous with how bad the players are able to manage those basic mechanics. So now many pug players are stuck where they sit in queue for hours just waiting to play the game or they move on and do something else. Not everyone who this is effecting was a shitter

That healer has some kind of add on going off telling him stuff , and he still stands in bad.

These s4 changes suck & are the stupidest changes wow has done. I casually play keys like i could give 2 S***s about high end keys all i want to do is get ksm and bfore id just start the seaon messing around in +2- +5s and just slowly increase my rating by doing that to sorta cheese my io so im closer to 2k without having to have to do so many +15s as possible. Now i dont even wanna do a +2 because what used to be a casual trolly kind of run for me has turned into actually having to try in the key and this is just bullcrap for the casual side of keys who didnt give a crap to push keys rather to just get ksm or even just do keys for fun. You straight up pushed alot of people out of wanting to do keys because you had a couple "high" keys be messed up due to someone not knowing mechs. The reason he didnt know isnt because its a system failure its because the community is so stupid and instead of taking time to explain to the poor player who prob didnt know better how the mechanic works, yall would rather rage leave and move on leaving him still not knowing what he did wrong but also you prob just made him never wanna play again or do keys which means thats 1 less person signing up for keys who maybe could have added to an alrdy low % of playerbase doing but nope... community crap talks him and now hes prob off wow for good. Casual WoW players are the highest % of the player base and yall at the high end keep trying to kill it... but what ur truly doing is shooting yourself in the foot because if you remove alot of casual ur also removing a chance at one of those casuals maybe wanting to push the higher end but if u force them off the high end suffers because now theres even less people signing up for keys. So keep it up high end players keep talking smack to the new/learning players lets see how long M+ lasts when only 10 healers are queing per day.

People still get carried though. There’s several dungeons where I’m ripping 300-350k overall and then I see a dps doing 80k. Honestly people in my position should petty brick those keys because sub season 1 levels of dps is wholly unacceptable for even a 2. I’ve personally left 2’s where people clearly don’t know things like rotation which can be learned in a heroic dungeon. I don’t believe in free carries because it just kicks the can down the road and they don’t learn anything.

At the end you make a question about how m0s will work in TWW, but the question has actually already been answered. M0s will use the same 8 seasonal dungeons as M+ will. Sounds like even Heroics will. Which sounds like something you will appreciate! I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link here in comments, but to be safe I'll just say look up the article "World of Warcraft: The War Within Game Director Answers All Our Burning Questions" from IGN. Then control+F "old dungeons" and you will see the answer Ion gave.

I just wish every dps played a healer so they know what mechs hurt and what mechs are priority to stun/kick

It’s working! IT’S WORKINNNNG!!!

I quit in the middle of the last season as a healer main and I could possibly be tempted back if they made the unavoidable one shots go away this season. Seeing how much damage these avoidable abilities do on a 2 makes me wonder how much damage some of these non avoidable abilities are going to do in the highest keys when you have max gear. I'm scared they are going to make the aforementioned issue worse, unless they scaled down unavoidable mechanic damage specifically. Does anyone have any insights?

I honestly have a bit of faith for once in WoW this time around and haven't had that since Legion because Dragonflight has just been almost constant positives. Practically every other IP has just been on fire but WoW has dodged just about every last bit of negativity I can give it and it seems like whoever has taken over is actually taking care of it. Played this game since 2007 and this is one of three expansions I have played all or almost all the way through because it was just enjoyable. The negatives this expansion have not really been that bad at all. If it's the same people going into War Within I think things will be OK. Certain things happening with the testing for next expansion have only reinforced that with seeing feedback given and immediately acted on. The current way dungeons are has felt very good. Glad we got all of them again for the last season. Not really the greatest fan of the crystal change on the final boss in Azure but I think that's all I can really complain about right now outside of Uldaman just being complete ass. I like the 10's having the additional affix. I like how the whole crest system is set up this time around. Dungeons are punchy but don't feel completely unfair outside of that one case. Good season to end the expansion on. On a side note I had a Halls with 28 sets of afflicted go off. Not 28 individual ghosts. 28 sets. The whole dungeon.

Yesterday I was in a group and the mage asked me for the route in HoI 😅😅😅 I replied: we turn right and then you keep pressing W… what kind of route do you want? 😅😅😅

+2s will make for great content this season. I've seen so many people stay in Irideus and Vexamus rain already. Returning players get stumped my the new difficulty curve. For me Season 4 has taught me to use defensives more often.

Was curious on that priest who left the run and looked them up. No enchants on any piece of gear/no neck gems. Had a completely different talent build from what holy priests are running in M+. was only 2p tier when we have charges each week with catch up charges. Knowledge is half the battle!

I don't think it will work in the long run. Like what happened in Cata, it will just cost Blizzard money in lost players, which will end up making the game worse overall. Then they will cave and change it again. Big problem with the new system is that Heroic Dungeons are super easy, m0 is a huge step up between A and B, and you can't even farm M 0 for gear to go into M+ because of the weekly lockout. And given 0 is basically a 10, most people aren't going to really do those either. The 2s are not realy 2s. They are basically 12s anyway.

The seriously need to slowly replace the janky-ass chromietime with this. You are simply *IMMERSED* into that expansion and that expansion only, no overlaps, no confusion.

i think they will definitely do this again for WoD and Legion. this is a hit, and even though it takes work, i don't see why they wouldn't do it again.

really like it but not sure if there is enufh time to colect all stuff i want, i really didnt get to play panda back my guild got disbanded end of lich king so i took a break before started agen

The only rares I've seen so far have been the Zandalari ones. And I'm still leveling, so i haven't been able to kill them yet 😅

So it’s safe to buy anything that says “removed in 11.0” in the tooltip correct? I don’t want to buy anything that I can get on my main in retail aside from the super hard to get cloud serpent. I don’t care about the Tusks because I play Monk.

yea its great..genuinely having a really good time

I just think 90 days is maybe not enough.

For me the difficulty seems pretty good for dps. But tanks are just crazy op. The gems for tank are really really good.

Actually just so you are aware, RP realms (at least the non-remix ones) do not shard older zones. That might be a part of why you are having issues with mob tags. The only sharded zones are new zones, and (i believe) major cities around the launch of major content patches. It is very possible that Blizzard just forgot to switch sharding back on for mop zones on RP servers for remix.

I'm gonna be honest, wasn't expecting the golden pipes to come in like a wrecking ball 🤘

I started at the tail end of Shadowlands and didnt really start playing until Dragonflight season 1, and even aesthetically MoP always seemed really cool to me so I've had a lot of fun going through the zones and questing just to see the content. In retail I basically just m+ and pug heroic until I get AOTC (or try to get any especially desirable items -_-) so it's been fun to have a reason to just slow down and quest for fun. Plus the Heavenly Onyx Cloud Serpent is the only mount that I've ever seen in the game where I thought "wow I have to get that", and by the time I hit 70 I had enough to get it ^-^

I mainly got into MoP Remix for the world boss mounts, I'm not a huge mount collector or anything, but I love those things, and the levelling was great. And I said on your stream, levelling is fun again for me, because of all the gems, all the added power, it feels great feeling that powerful. But, I'm also not opposed to trying out the end-game like raiding and dungeons, and I have to say those are designed really poorly because your character simply does not scale well enough for how hard it is, and the way to battle that difficulty is to upgrade your gear which is the biggest problem. Upgrades cost bronze, and I have to choose between buying transmogs/mounts/pets or upgrading my gear, that feels incredibly bad in my opinion. So I have decided not to pursue raiding or any "high-end" endgame because I want the cosmetic rewards more.

It´s been a while since i have had so much fun. Been levelling exclusively in dungeons as prot. Its outright broken. Some dungeons i do 90% of the dmg. The gems are so powerful. They say its the scaling, but its higher, lower, whatever lvl than me. Feels broken. Feels good :D Though i approach it with the caveat: this is temporary and they have ruined the max lvl game. Im going to have fun levelling, buy the mogs i want and probably leave it

I am really enjoying it, taking it easyy really like that its possible to do raids while lvling. I spent about 3 hours in a 10 man Normal ToT run ( it was standard run, not empowered by Salvation) and in the end we did it.lots of ppl changed, we wipe and then improve and then wipe and then kill ( Dark Animus took us the most attempts) it really felt good especially because ToT is my favourite raid. Whats your opinion about gear being too much expensive to upgrade? Besides scaling,that seems like the biggest complain from the community as I have seen

I've been enjoying the event so far. Level a shaman to 70 and a monk is almost 70 too with few other characters planned down the line. I mostly have three issues with the event that annoy me a bit. 1) Cloak on fresh alts seems to be way weaker than expected. At 4200+ threads achievement, alts start with 100% +XP, bunch of stamina, some main stat and bunch of verse too. Dissapointed. 2) Ward of Salvation is waaay too strong. Every raid ends up being "Press ward on tank and watch boss die". 3) Bronze acquisition rate is kinda low. One ilvl "tier" costs 39k bronze to upgrade and if you want to play more than one character, good luck with that.Not to mention all the mounts and transmogs. It's almost as if you're expected to play 8 hours a day. Like it would be fine if they lowered item upgrade cost by like 25-40% imo. Overall, I would rate this event solid 7-8/10 so far. I would totally play WoD/Legion or etc. remixes if they would do one in a future.

I have never had a better questing experience than now in Remix, chilling at lvl 51 now, started last evening. No clue what im even suposed to do at 70, but those are worries for later.

Unfortunately I hate levelling so I’ll stick to retail for now… although recently I’m not able to progress in M+ because pugs skills seem to have decreased 😐 thank god is almost summer so I can go outside more often.

I'm locked on level 20 because of no game time, but I could kill all rares for every zone achievement (except isle of thunder and timeless isle of course), just go around checking what rare is up, or camp where you could check at least 2 regularly, only on vale of eternal blossoms the rares were being killed fast, must be because of reputation with golden lotus, in every other zone I had to wait a lot until someone could kill it for me to tag along. but yeah, everything has being awesome on the remix, unfortunately you can just rush to 70 and kill frogs, but I'll be going for the achievements as well, and I'm loving my enhancement shaman with heroic leap

i like it a lot too, my only like slightly minor gripe would be some way to not make duplicate characters. I love my evoker and I enjoy playing them but i just made a second evoker to play this and I was kind attached to my first evoker

On my account i have the tillers farm unlocked on mamy characters. If you have em unlocked you can still use them to gather materials. Its not a bad gold maker. Not great but i still do it for nostalgic purposes

Frog farm just got hotfixed on a sunday

I am loving it. Playing it with my husband and he has much less time then me. So I ended up making an alt priest to try and get all the completions and zone things done. I love the entire thing. and its not piss easy either. Heroic dungeons and scenarios need some level of attention and team work

I made an evoker and it's been a ton of fun zooming around blasting things with fire. I don't understand the "one evoker per server" restriction at all, luckily I had another server with a high level character; it's a super fun class to level from 10. I'm getting a lot of old Panda rep, achievements and quests done that I'd always meant to get back to, I don't feel like I'll run out of stuff to do any time soon. I'm not as familiar with the ins and outs of each expansion, whether there would be enough to do in each one, but I'm game for any of them, it's been a lot of fun so far.

Ok, this just show how retail could be so much better... This is coming from someone who raids mythic and do +27 keys

i wish we stil had daily´s really mis that to do everyday

Just to piggy back off the Classic-Remix idea, there is so much potential and literal years worth of content they could shift through and I hope MoP Remix is just the beginning.