THIS Is The Secret To Green, Clean Passive Income!

[@richardblakey3345]

We are nearly there! 21 solar panels, 5.3kW hybrid inverter and 15kWh batteries. We buy electricity for the batteries 00:30 - 04:30 and charge our EVs at the same time. We usually manage all day even in the winter and will be exporting ++ in the summer. We just haven’t managed to get permission to set up the inverter to charge before and export during Octoplus Saving Sessions. Our system is not automatic like GivEnergy. I’ll need to ask some more questions! This is definitely the way forward. On Friday with a sunny day we only paid £1.46 for our electricity including adding another 20 miles range to my car. We generated 26.3kWh and exported 13.2kWh, earning £1.11 back so all our electricity cost 35p. We can’t get onto Intelligent Octopus due to incompatible cars and charger otherwise we would have made our first profit since installing despite being January in the UK.

[@katherandefy]

Amazing

[@mnomadvfx]

"We buy electricity for the batteries 00:30 - 04:30 and charge our EVs at the same time" This works for now, but once all vehicles are EVs and everybody takes advantage of off peak prices to charge then it won't actually be off peak anymore.

[@PedalPowerPanther]

@@mnomadvfxThere will almost always be an excess of energy production during the night. Logically, forward thinking companies such as octopus will continue to sell electricity cheaper or give it away during these times. The amounts for buying and selling will fluctuate but there will always be off peak rates.

[@RahulParmar1978]

What Octopus tariff are you on? I just switched to Go for my EV and am thinking of installing solar panels. Sounds like you make 8.5p for your grid export, 111p / 13.2 kWH?

[@EugeneLambert]

Wow, very impressive. My parents-in-law in the Czech Republic installed a GivEnergy system (on our advice) and they are delighted with it.

[@MarkSmith-wc1ek]

Having solar and batteries is best thing I've done saving me a fortune and makes you feel good especially when i ask my work colleagues how much there energy bills are

[@paulaschofield]

We've had solar for 2 years, primarily for charging our EV. We are with Octopus Energy NZ and export as much as we can during the day, and then buy it back on a night rate for the same price. Our total annual electricity bill is $281 NZD. Our hot water, heating and hob are still gas due to the very high cost to replace the appliances. To upgrade our solar system to include battery storage would cost $18,000 NZD meaning it would take 64 years to offset the upfront cost. We're making the most of the solar savings while we can, but our government scrapped the requirement for power companies to offer a low user tariff 2 years ago and electriciy daily fixed charges are doubling every year for 5 years, and our current government have scrapped any financial benefit to own an EV. It certainly is a difficult time for New Zealanders to switch to solar and electric vehicles.

[@mnomadvfx]

"To upgrade our solar system to include battery storage would cost $18,000 NZD" Is it not possible to build a battery system in steps to decrease the 'in the moment' cost? If modular domestic battery systems are not a thing currently that seems remarkably dumb given most people will not be able to afford getting a halfway decent system all at once.

[@martythemartian99]

After looking deeply into solar systems in 2023, in the end I decided to take a risk and basically double what we needed for our own home use, by getting the maximum output from panels and the biggest battery allowed for a home system. Cost was $33000 Aust. dollars. After worrying about my decision for three months, we got the first bill. Pre-solar it was about $870 per quarter, now it is over $850 credit. Once I invest the savings and the credit paid to us, the payback time for the whole system is about 4 years. More profitable than money in the bank, even in a high interest account. 🤩

[@mnomadvfx]

"and the biggest battery allowed for a home system" Wait, wait..... there is a MAXIMUM ALLOWED limit for domestic battery systems?!?! Short of reducing the risk of battery fires in residential areas I can't see any need for such a limit to exist. Hopefully if that is the reason then later solid state batteries which are safer may make such limitations redundant in the future causing them to be removed.

[@martythemartian99]

@@mnomadvfx It is not so much because of fires, we got a Phosphate Battery for low risk. It is more because we don't have 3 Phase Power connected. Even so, we only use about 30% of the battery overnight, so it is plenty big enough. Also we are not in a residential area, we are very rural. 😊

[@paulscountrygarage9180]

I’m in sunny Lithgow, NSW. I have a 5Kw solar system with a 13.6kw (useable) Tesla battery and I use Amber as my energy supplier. Just as the gentleman was saying the buy price can vary from -10c KWh to $12 KWh. The advantage of this is that Amber, when the feed in tariff goes high, will instruct all the batteries on their network to discharge to the grid. An example of this occurred a week ago and I got up to $8 KWh. Normally this would be in the 20 to 50c KWh bracket. The reverse also applies, last night the buy price fell to -10c KWh so it was feed to my battery to top it up ready for discharge to the grid later. It works and is great!

[@paulrgab]

Already buying and selling electricity from the grid at wholesale rates in Australia with Amber. They control what my Powerwall is doing, and we’ve saving heaps.

[@salibaba]

We had our Givenergy and Solar installed before winter 2 years ago. Only a 3.6kW panel and 8.2 battery but It’s saved us a fortune and we are lucky we were largely protected from the gas energy price spikes. The DFS has been amazing The most recent session saw us paid £5.42 for helping the grid even though we only paid £4.73 including the standing charge for all our leccy to run the house, heat it and top the car up with about 25 miles.

[@Lewis_Standing]

For one session octopus was paying £4/kWh and Giv only £2.25 though

[@salibaba]

@@Lewis_Standing yes, I think Giv upped theirs on the following one. Healthy competition. We made £20 from across both those sessions. We were opted into the Octopus one not Giv. I just trigger it manually to discharge.

[@computerbob06]

What electric heating do you have?

[@salibaba]

@@computerbob06 5kW ASHP. Heats the water cylinder at night during our off peak.

[@lavectech]

We need a rebate for batteries from the government in Australia if they want to go carbon neutral by 2030 and not have to rely on keeping gas and coal power plants running.

[@gegelectrifyeverything]

rebates in the pipeline

[@aperitifs]

If many people have battery storage... We all could support the grid when the sun is not shining... But someone decided to bring EV cars into the grid..(fast charging cars needs many megawatts ) . Totally ruining that very attainable goal... Now we need to increase the base load ...

[@aperitifs]

30 years ago nearly every room required 75w to 100w light bulb ..... With led lights it's 7w to 13 w max ... So that took untold demand off the grid... Hence why the grid definitely has the ability to support cars charging... It's due to the load all incandescent light bulbs required..that is now 90 percent lower due to the awesome led light efficiency

[@capitalinventor4823]

@@aperitifs Every time there has been a big improvement in lighting that made it much less expensive to provide the same amount of light (lumens) people have generally spent the same amount of energy/money on lighting. With the switch to compact fluorescent and then to LED lights many people have put more lights in their rooms than they had with incandescent bulbs. One must also look at all of the objects that now come with a light in it that didn’t before, and some of these things have bright LEDs people tape over because they are too bright. About a decade or two ago there was a trend to include a bright blue LED in electronics and it was almost always on. It’s more difficult to find some computer accessories that don’t come with lighting than those that come with it. Look at how popular the LED light strips are. While each of these LEDs only require a small amount of electricity, the increased number of them in our buildings adds up quickly. I was interested to see you write 75W and 100W incandescent bulbs. In my part of the world the most popular type of bulb was the 60W, giving about 800 lumens, and then the 40W for smaller rooms. The LED equivalents to those bulbs are still the most popular here. It’s always interesting to discover how different parts of the world have their preferences.

[@54mgtf22]

Shame we have to fight local government to go solar here in Australia.

[@martythemartian99]

Fortunately not all local govs are against it.

[@barneyomulligan9739]

Thank you so much Imogen. I am going to the Sydney Everything Electric Show and "if or when" these kind of options are available here was my priority for the visit. It seems we have very little options in terms of flexible tariffs compared to UK, but I hope to be enlightened.

[@johnegan3477]

i have just installed a 17 kw solar system and 10 kw battery, but i live in rural north wales and my smart meter is not smart because we have no WAM single ,and we have been limited to send 6kw back to the grid because the network is to poor to deal with any more, things are not so smooth for every one. i can not get any help from octopus energy to get the meter working. not sure what to do any help?

[@tonyfeasby1437]

On Tracker averaging 14p per Kwh without any solar/battery. The capital is best invested elsewhere currently?

[@michaelking8573]

14 kWp solar, 2 evs, heat pump and a Tesla powerwall has been a game changer for our family in the UK. The output of the system is roughly equal to the annual energy demands of the house and the cars. Great to see solar and batteries being deployed massively.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

How big is your house to fit a 14kw solar system.

[@davedevonlad7402]

In southwest England with a 4kw solar panels and a 10kw battery with an ev charger that i charge all of it up on ( inc battery ) on an ev tariff at night but solar during the day. My energy use for last year was 3600kw my solar produced 3400kw and i imported into my batteries 2100kw for 7.5p but sent back to the grid 2000kw for 15p per kw. To charge my car ( company car ) it costs just under £6 for an 100% charge and 330 miles so really cheap. I still pay bills but they are much lower than before and the savings are obvious. I did mention my car was a company car but if its wasn't i would seriously consider a second hand EV as the advantages outweigh me going back to a combustion car. On "fuel" petrol alone i am saving around £2000 a year not including maintenance costs and my home electric i am saving around the same so between £3000-£4000 a year in savings. Its an absolute no brainer for me. My only advice is make sure you get a decent battery size as that is where the savings are made for me, if i could afford another battery soon i would. My set up is a 5kw solis hybrid inverter. 10 kw puredrive batteries. 4.4 kw JA solar panels. Zappi car charger. It all works great and its all really efficient. The batteries have only lost 0.10% efficiency in just over one year so literally nothing while being charged and discharged once each a day. Getting a set up like this can be beneficial but my advice is do your homework of how much energy you use and what equipment you need, don't undersize as thats a big problem, two companies i look at wanted to install a 5kw and 2.5 kw battery that would have been useless so shop around and compare notes to see if your figures come close to what the retailer's say. But its definitely well worth it.

[@theairstig9164]

If the zappi is shedding the car charger during high house loads that is the secret sauce

[@petercandlish4398]

Fantastic. This is the sort of practical number-crunching in a human way story the channel should do - 2 years is a long enough period for credible feedback. (Need to add a financing cost - now if you spend £7000 upfront, the interest cost is meaningful. If you are lucky enough to not need to borrow, it is still income foregone from something else)

[@davedevonlad7402]

@@furry_homunculus The solar tops up the car when my batteries are full, the main charge comes on at night for 7.5p per kW through "octopus energy" on thier intelligent tariff. It's not designed to be the main charge for the car it's more for the general running of my home as I average 9.8kw a day and my batteries are 10kw. Also an English home doesn't have much space for any more panels, my 10 panels fill up my south facing roof, if I could have more I would but it's the maximum I can fit. Also I don't need Air-con or even "have" or can "fit" a pool into my back garden as it is the size of a postage stamp.

[@robinbennett5994]

@@furry_homunculus The difference is mostly likely that you use a lot of power for air-con - which is extremely rare in the UK. As are pools, now you mention it!

[@woody6t1]

In NZ we lack any momentum into VPP. Nothing from the government, the Gentailers or the lines companies. 0% GST (=VAT) on batteries would be a start, as would returning the clean vehicle purchase discount just wiped out by the current government. Sometimes the maxim about turning your clocks back 10 years when you arrive in New Zealand holds true in this space.

[@ericvet8b]

Got 2 9.5kwh GivEnergy batteries and 5kW inverter with 7.5kwp solar PV for bit over 2 years, and 2 EVs, and Eddi, and amazing difference, so much cheaper and in summer can run whole house, charge battery in the day, export and top up one of the EVs…. , and heat hot water. In winter not quite but charge battery at night off peak (and much cleaner) and runs house during the day… 93-98% off peak usage. Getting rid of gas hob next month and hopefully Heat Pump later this year via Octopus 🤞.

[@peteroffpist1621]

10 kWh high user ? Maybe in Australia or UK. But in Sweden we use at least 30 - 50kWh a day. But we also top up two Tesla cars every night .

[@zapfanzapfan]

High user when the heating and cooking is with gas...

[@gegelectrifyeverything]

Australians are also much higher than 10kW a day!

[@jonwragg3822]

Finding a decent installer is a minefield. The installer of my solar panels (2015) went bust (pity, they were good), the installer of my GIV energy battery and Zappi charger (2022) has gone bust, and to be honest good riddance. So as well as getting a quote get some info. on the companies financial viability. And don’t pay until the equipment is on site. GIV energy system is great, just wondering whether I should get a second battery.

[@manikdesign]

Spend £30k on renewables to get back £2k. 15 year pay back that’s not including ev. It’s not a bad return me thinks. DIY it and pay back within few years. Mine is all payed for now just enjoying the fruits of my labour now.

[@computerbob06]

Are there 30% of all homes in Australia with PV? They must have made quite some investments since the last Google Maps pics were taken?

[@vladx2]

For load shifting, power is equally - if not more - important than capacity. Everyone seems to define batteries by capacity, but the inverter power is the real key to savings

[@brainfood101]

This could be a good video if it wasn't such a advert lacking a lot of data and coming across very snake oily. DFS are not frequent events. There's been 1 this year. From Nov to Dec there was 7. You can only discharge 6kw in a hour with the MDs all in one. Most places offer £2.25 per k/wh saved. That's £13.50, - cost to charge, and assumes you have enough battery capacity. The last DFS event gave 2 hours notice. Your battery may well be quite empty at that point. You could charge it again but your then at peak rate so the savings are reduced further. This is all nice and good stuff, but it's being quite misleading here.

[@computerbob06]

Let's face it, it's a GivEnergy advert, wrapped up into a video feature (allegedly)! Classic Fully Charged even with 1m subs!

[@gsum1000]

Our batteries and solar panels were installed a couple of years ago. They have been absolutely brilliant, particularly as they are combined with heat pump air conditioning. I have to say though that the GivEnegy bloke is not the best advertisement for the company. Smart casuals and a shave would improve his credibility no end.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

could loose some weight as well, BUT do you want a slimy suited salesman??????

[@AdamDoran47]

We've had our GivEnergy hybrid inverter + pair of batteries for over two years now, and are so pleased with the solution. It's been a springboard into getting a Heat Pump from Octopus, and delving into the world of energy automation with Home Assistant.

[@Yanquetino]

Hmmm. Where did I start? Built my home with the best insulation I could get, opted for an on-demand water heater, and put in an RV panel to plug in an EV someday. Then… installed solar panels on the roof. A year later bought an EV. Several years later added two Powerwalls. Just got a different EV that is capable of V2L, which I hope to enhance for V2H. Little by little…!

[@matbowden9156]

Which EV? I want the EV9, but not without a bidirectional charger. EG why drop big money on home storage, when a (roughly) ten times the size battery is on the driveway, complete with a set of wheels, should I want to pop out.

[@ssoffshore5111]

@@matbowden9156 Agreed, but sometimes I want to drive the car at night (no battery at the house then) or take it to work during the day (no charging the battery from my solar to feed the house at night, plus the battery is run down some from driving it to work). It seems to me I still need a smaller battery installed at my home.

[@matbowden9156]

@@ssoffshore5111 That's just it though. Do you? Really?? Let's roleplay this. If your goal is zero cost (past ya huge initial outlay) then yeah... Making sure ya fridge carries on running whilst you make an impromptu evening dash to the shops in ya car will of course require a home storage battery of sorts. And again, I agree, if others are going to remain in the house whilst the same car is in use for errands, it might end up costing a few pence here and there as it's reasonable to suggest they will clearly consume energy from the grid, as the battery with wheels is off fulfilling it's core role in life. Conversely however, the data tells us that the bulk of the time ya car is just sat there depreciating. Further, the same data tells us that smaller more frequent charging of a bigger battery is better for it vs a full (or close to) duty cycle of a smaller battery, each time. So why not maximise the utility value of the car itself? AKA if ya goal is more around bang for buck, then well, the data says - don't try and fix absolutely everything in one fell swoop - accept that it's a bit like most things in life. What works for you might not work for fella nextdoor, let alone everyone else, and so you'll end up with a bulk saving via V2X vs a complete saving 😉

[@constructioneerful]

Yes I agree that the car - most of the time - will for most people be available on the drive to do the job of a battery. Those times it isn’t shouldn’t cost all that much £. Which means a v2l car is a good alternative to batteries. Just that the v2l car isn’t available at low prices. Except the Nissan leaf (used) which might only suit a limited number of people. But in fact as a second car a low range v2l leaf probably works brilliantly as an alternative to a battery.

[@matbowden9156]

@@constructioneerful ...there coming!! 😁👍

[@waqasahmed939]

3:59 I'm an average energy user and I'd still get the AIO because it works better with EVs, and you've got about two days of battery storage. That, and if you've got a heat pump, you've got battery storage there too ready for when you want. I'd always get the big battery if you can afford it. The AIO also has a gateway which has an EPS built in

[@user-xe6qz7qb2v]

I love your channel and I believe Home Batteries and Renewables in general are a big part of the solution to our energy crisis. However, please explain how you can save £4-5 a day on your electricity use by using a home battery? The bloke stated he has a GivEnergy all in one (13.5kWh). If charging by Octopus off-peak, I’m guessing you are paying around 7.5p kWh, with a daytime rate being around 30p kWh. With a battery capacity of 13.5 kWh, and if you use all of the electricity stored in the battery, it would make the saving £3.03. (30p - 7.5p = 22.5p. 22.5p X 13.5 = £3.03.) If I’m missing something, please let me know.

[@Nikoo033]

Also who in the UK uses that much electricity for a standard household??😅 We barely use 6kWh/day (annual average), despite EV charging. Efficiency measures have to be put in place before anything else.

[@constructioneerful]

The price given to consumers for each kWh they returned to the grid for those few hours was very high that day - the high price was driven by what the grid would have paid to get a (probably coal fired) peak generator up and running.

[@A_Litre_of_Farva]

I’m installing a hybrid battery/grid solar system here in Alberta, Canada. Even up here it absolutely makes sense - actually panels like cooler temps, they produce more at 0° than when above 25° C!

[@Robert-cu9bm]

And produce nothing with snow on them.

[@jamesphillips2285]

Unfortunately there is no Time of Day pricing in Alberta for residential users.

[@JohnRoss1]

​​@@Robert-cu9bmYou do realize that the sun melts snow. The panels are dark and warmup. Snow melts against the panel and slides off. Panels are tlited towards the sun, they are not intended to be flat but tilted to get direct sunlight for the latitude. Ice and snow on a panel does need more sun to clear.☀️☀️

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@JohnRoss1 So why do you have burn diesel fuel running snow plows to clear roads, roads are black and absorb the sun's heat. It's also why I've never seen snow on a roof.

[@callumcurtis15]

@@Robert-cu9bm Not true actually, The 8-Bit Guy did a test recently with a simulated power outage and was supprised when the solar pannels still made power with snow on them .Infact they made more with snow than when its was very overcast .

[@MarkSpohr]

Love this information. Thank you. I have several arrays, hybrid inverters and batteries that I have built up over the years which have paid for themselves and I now have free electricity for the next few decades.

[@dominicgoodwin1147]

I love this channel, but these totally unbalanced “advertorial” shows are really annoying. What about the costs? Downsides? Making £5 per day means nothing if you don’t say how much the system costs. If it costs £15k, say, then that’s still 8 years!!! before the system pays for itself. Please don’t treat us like idiots.

[@brainfood101]

100% this was far too much of a ad with nice cherry picked figures

[@robinbennett5994]

I agree, but they did briefly quote £4k for a typical battery. Of course the All-in-one system they then talked about is £7k before installation costs.

[@robynrox]

I usually love your channel, but this does come across as a bit snake-oily. I think being paid £24 in a day for a small amount of energy must be quite a rare event. I used to be with Octopus Agile Outgoing, and there were occasional situations like that, for sure, but they were few and far between.

[@brainfood101]

Agree. That's either a huge battery or a very rare rate to encounter. Unless you happen to have a lot of excess solar your usually better off averaged across the year charging your batteries at cheap rates, and using your solar / battery. The savings on plans that support this outweigh the payments from selling it back at high rates. As your typically paying a lot more for your incoming tariff, so it just doesn't balance out. It'll be cheap (import) when its hot and sunny, when you don't need to charge. When its cold and grey you won't see a cheap rate. However if you have lots of excess battery and solar DFS will be fine. But at that point you've over paid for your system to be too big. So although its better to operate your big system this way you'd still have been better off buying a smaller system. Of course there are exceptions if you're using very small amounts etc, but with the current options of tarrifs it usually doesn't add up to sell back to grid than just using it cheap.

[@paulthompson9837]

Rather misleading wording. The MD's All in One can discharge 6kWh in one hour so he would have been paid £4 per kWh. That's a higher rate than usual and there's only about a dozen of these sessions a year. Also to save £4 per day, everyday, means using the full 13.5kWh everyday and having a difference between peak and off peak rate of almost 30p per kWh assuming no losses.

[@brainfood101]

@@paulthompson9837 £4, most suppliers are giving £2.25 for these periods, and it's not a daily thing. There's been 1 in 2024. No idea how £24 came up.

[@Adam-u1n1b]

I guess to save £4 per day he must also be counting power used by his EV, otherwise you are correct and his figure is optimistic.@@paulthompson9837

[@Yorkie-UK]

I was surprised with the £24 session but it can be achieved if he has the higher battery and latest Inverter. In Dec 23 we had 1 Giveback event which paid a double amount of £4.40 per Kw. We earned just under £9 from it with us discharging at 2.6Kw per hour (Gen 1 inverter with Gen 1 batteries) with about 1.9Kw per hour going to the grid. The newer systems are much higher so I can see how he hit £24. Since then we have had standard events at the normal rate of £2.20 per Kw. Typically we earn around £4 an event and also at the same time I am earning my SEG tariff which is 15p pKw. the battery setup with the EV tariff is brilliant. We get around 13 Kw in the early hours and then use that all day and into the night depending on the solar. 9p per Kw instead of 40p Per Kw, easily saving £4+ a day. The Givenergy solution is worth looking into rather than getting a piece meal ad hoc setup.

[@jasonhowlett8061]

Brilliant

[@beckacharya]

FYI the population of Australia is 27,000,000

[@joey4691]

Step one is to get your use down. Negawatts. Insulation, cool roof, most energy efficient appliances (my full-size refrigerator uses 15 kwh per month, heat pump uses 100 kwh/month summer, 200 kwh/month winter), THEN size your systems.

[@h2rider953]

32 solar panels, home battery, all electric home and 2 EVs, never going back to Burning Stuff, See everyone in Sydney.

[@andrewwhittaker43]

Same here. Renewables are cheaper!!!!!!

[@davedevonlad7402]

How big is your home battery?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

You're just getting China to burn it for you instead to have these goodies.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

​@@andrewwhittaker43 They're not when taking whole system costs into account

[@patemblen3644]

Why do you say that Robert?

[@fernandooliveiralino]

Cool video

[@skylark-sd9ic]

Interesting video. To hear that VAT will not be charged on batteries from 1 Feb is great news.

[@peterryan7340]

We are using 50+ kwh per day during this Australian heatwave. I have a SolarEdge 8.7kw pv system and 9.7kwh battery. Storage is the main issue as i can produce 60kwh + on a clear day

[@Jaw0lf]

I started with a 3.8 kWh west facing solar in 2011 and a solar diverter for DHW. By 2020 we added solar to our east facing roof and now have 7.56kWh of solar and Tesla Powerwall. Eddi and Zappi were also added along with our EV. Last year an ASHP was added. Unfortunately the ASHP eats up my battery by lunchtime, but it still helps and my monthly DD is only £120 for heating, home electric use, cooking and charging the EV to do 10,000 per year. At the time Tesla were the only to offer whole house cover in a power cut and the fact that solar could still charge the battery and be used if no power. Without solar and battery you are limited to choice of tariffs, so on a standard tariff today... I was paying £150 for petrol, £80 for LPG (now would be £120), we use around 9,000kWh in our home so at standard charge that is £230 per month. Total would be £500 per month, but my investments in my home have saved me over £4,500 in the last year.

[@ndudman8]

How exactly did he make 24 pounds in 1 night ? what was the price-kwh ? 20p 24/.2 = 120kwh... but his battery is perhaps 5kwh from the graphs he showed... please give actual date... like how big is his system, actual meaningful numbers etc, otherwise IMHO you are just confusing and giving people perhaps false impression. With all this "Makeing money" could you please put it into perspective with the payback period etc. Additionally what are the losses in sending to the grid ? 20%

[@scottkolaya2110]

The details were rather lacking. We only pay $1.50 for 10kWh. Sure, our night time rate is 6¢ so the battery might save us 1.50 - 0.60 or $0.90/day. $0.9 x 365 = $328/yr. I wonder what the whole setup costs.

[@ndudman8]

yep... theres a reason they are lacking in the details, because I don't think it makes sense... I have solar (diy) and ev... but not to save the world, coz they won't and only slightly to save money... diy pays back much quicker... @@scottkolaya2110

[@Adam-u1n1b]

GivEnergy All-in-One can output at 6kW, at £4/hr, gives £24. But his house can't have been using any power during the DFS event, and it doesn't account for charging costs. During the last DFS event we turned of the freezer and dehumidifier, and had a candle-light meal, but I don't suggest this for all. It was mainly for fun for my 2 young boys, who got a chance to use their torches. As soon as V2G starts working these DFS events will be even more worthwhile. At present most car chargers are 7kW, but I'd like to get something in the 13-20kW range, partly to benefit from DFS events, but also because I'm on Octopus Agile so faster charging will enable me to make the most of the very lowest rates.

[@ndudman8]

How big did his battery have to be ? from the daily usage- gr-phs ---------It didn't look more than 5kwh ? but to get 24 pounds at he need to run at 6kw max for 4 hours... i.e 24kwh's @@Adam-u1n1b

[@cingramuk]

The 24 quid would have likely been during one of the live DFS we've had this winter, where NG ESO were paying £4/kWh for energy exported. I can't remember if it was a 1 or 1.5hr event, but that works out about right for a 6kWh discharge over the event. But this is currently a trial (currently the second winter they've run it), so I would expect prices offered to drop. In fact, NG ESO have already said for the remaining 4 test sessions left this winter, they are no longer giving the guaranteed £3/kWh they offered in previous tests and instead the DFS providers like energy companies and GivEnergy will have to bit against each other, so that will reduce how much you can make from it.

[@chrisjohn8081]

Absolutely fantastic show again brilliant information keep up the amazing work 😊

[@logik100.0]

I tried to find an installer in North London. Nothing!!! BTW Give Energy Black text on dark teal background is almost impossible to read! EDIT OK seems to be sorted now.

[@barrymurton8988]

So if you can’t have a smart meter how can you have these options - Maybe an answer I will get at the London show!

[@PaulLandregan]

Very good video. Thank you. The new training room is looking good

[@ScrapKing73]

The assertion that the Australian grid may be the largest strikes me as potentially wrong, given how tightly integrated the power grids are been Canada, and the US. I’d be curious to learn exactly what definition they used. No shame, Australias still has a very large grid. But in British Columbia, Canada we buy excess solar from California and Nevada during the day, and sell them hydroelectric at night, as an example of how tightly integrated Canada and the U.S. are on this issue. If there’s a weakness to the grid here it’s that the East-West links within Canada could be stronger.

[@John-FourteenSix]

Many countries do not have hydro available at the scale you have in Canada. The UK does have cables under the sea to Norway and can transfer energy either way from what I understand. The most important point discussed here surely though is energy security, and locally generated energy. I.e. Home Solar, Battery storage and EV’s. In the UK we would add Wind power to a bigger discussion. When averaged over a single year, our home Solar panels provide 48% of our home power needs. Our GivEnergy inverter, charges our battery system (& EV) overnight (off peak) and we export to the grid at peak times during the day/early evening. We can go off-grid for 3 days in summer if we needed too, and approx 18 Hrs in Winter. So while we remain “grid-tied” we slightly less dependent on it. In fact we would be considered “Prosumers” as we generate power and form part of a virtual power network. Exciting times we live in.

[@theairstig9164]

From the hydro in Tasmania to the most northerly coal fired power plant in Queensland is further than Miami to Toronto either by road or in a straight line. Then we can go from Melbourne to the Great Australian Bight and see power lines all the way. What do you think they are doing ?

[@HairyNumbNuts]

The US has three grids - California, East coast & central (New York grid) and Texas has their own (ERCOT), and Mexico is separate. Canada has a number of interconnects. However, these are all separate grids run by separate authorities with interconnects. Eastern Australia is definitely the *geographically* largest grid in the world, with a single operator (AEMO). Would be the largest by more than double if we ever connect Western Australia and the Northern Territory to the east coast.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Australia has 20 million buildings and 1million klm of transmission lines and poles and wires. 20 million customers. 5,000klm long, north to south west to Wudinna SA.

[@computerbob06]

​@stephenbrickwood1602 20m buildings for 25m people........ That's some waste of space!

[@GerardBendotti]

coincidentally mine stopped working today, somewhat disappointing.

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

[@markiliff]

Dear Editor, A favour, please, for those of us with dwindling hearing: lose the music behind the speech. Most people won't notice. Those of us who do will marvel at being able to hear some frankly gabbly presenters without having to stop what we're dong and turn on subtitles. Thank you in advance, µ

[@TJames]

More misinformation. Context: battery sizes 2.5 - 13.5 kWh. Night charging (currently around 7.5 - 9p per kWh), 1 cycle per day, assumed usage 10kWh per day is "high'. All this from video. Savings £4-5 per day? How? Savings on night cycle typically £0.28-0.08=£0.20 per kWh. I.e. around £2 per day, or £3 per day with solar - but as that comes off max usage its the solar doing the saving not the battery. On the right tariff you're looking at a repay period bog £10 years (ish). So, what's the lifetime of a typical battery? And this is supposed to be better than ASHP with insulation, EV and charger, solar panels alone? Repay periods likely less with all these, as well as these reducing carbon more effectively for most households. The "best" solution is always the subject of the video, isn't it? 😂

[@Flyingtwiglet]

Disagree, it’s totally accurate, based on my experience. I think I’ll repay my £11k system in 3-4 years. His house useage might be 10kWh but he also has an EV and 10kW = 40miles at best, so he is quite likely using 20kWh per day which will yield the savings quoted. I charge my batteries and car at 7.5p any solar I make is exported at 15p per kWh. You don’t have to be a mathematician to work out that for a good part of the year you can earn more that you use. Last year I paid just £170 to run a 4 bed house and 2 EV’s. This year my tariffs are much better (15p export as opposed to 4p) so I expect that to be less.

[@richardblakey3345]

Car charging

[@computerbob06]

I'm guessing they're comparing the savings to the UK electricity price cap of c.29p/kwh for a 'best case' scenario!?

[@matbowden9156]

Any idea when/if V2X will ever be "turned on?" Why drop £10,000.00 on home battery storage, when salary sacrifice allows for a half price EV9. Oh wait! I can't just make use of this MASSIVE battery on wheels, why??

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

good point...

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Only nio has active VTG. Load up on cheap energy at night and sell it during the peak day rates thru your car battery. And of course all their swap stations do energy arbitrage as well. Not stationary and pointless megapacks but multi purpose batteries.

[@matbowden9156]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n sorry mate, but ya wrong. If this link doesn't work do a few searches. The EV9 has V2X. ...via CCS an all 🤯 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISvg5uuhLN3bKcsi=kt1baD6stAYK5cPI The $64m question is... When is it getting switched on? Next to... WTF are Kia leaving the dealerships in the dark about this seriously beneficial USP? 🤔

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@matbowden9156 great news, love me some Kia. Thanks for the link!

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@matbowden9156 you are correct. Thank you for the link. Love me some kia

[@kiwievwatcher]

Do you know if anyone other than solarZero is doing VPP services in New Zealand?

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Just understand the basics that grid electricity needs a grid to the customers. 20million in Australia. 300million in the USA. The first grid that was built over 100 years and with national wealth is basically 5 times too small. To stop CO2 emissions. So all Grid electricity is basically a dead duck economically to stop CO2 emissions worldwide. You have to add the bigger grid capacity construction costs to the nuclear solution. If you are to replace fossil fuel CO2. There is a reason that transmission lines are built in multiple parallel lines of towers. It is because it is the only way of creating a bigger capacity for more electricity.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers Robert and Imogen

[@SW-lw6mt]

Great to see they're expanding to Australia, be great to have more options when we finally take the plunge on batteries.

[@ecoworrier]

I think the size of your grid connection is a big factor here. If you only have a 4 hour cheap overnight window to charge your home battery and your car, then a 3 phase grid connection will make all the difference. In the UK they seem quite rare, on the continent (and even in places like Nigeria) it seems standard.

[@robinbennett5994]

I don't think it's really a problem. A 100A supply gives you 92kWh every day. Putting 13 of those into a big battery hardly makes a dent, and leaves enough for about 300 miles of driving a day, which would work out to 115,000miles per year. If you've only got a 60A connection, that's still 55kWh, which leaves enough for 170 miles a day (or 60,000 miles per year)

[@TheBoothy666]

I guess that depends on what your grid connection is, my current house (UK) was was built over 10 years ago and is 100A (single phase). But of course many, especially older, properties are going to be 80A or less, and those are likely not going to be easy to upgrade. Just thinking of an example, Looking at the datasheet for the GivEnergy 8.2 kWh (as it's their popular one), that charges and discharges at a max of 80A, with a 59V max change voltage, so that's ~1.8 hours to charge from flat (assuming I got the calculation correct!). Add a 7kW/32A on the wall car charger, and they can add around 20 miles per hour to a cars range (depends on car efficiency of course). So with a flat house battery every day, and only 4 hours of cheap overnight electric, that's the home battery fully charged, and about say 30-35 miles range being added overnight (I'm assuming some power being needed for the house as well, otherwise it would be 40+). This assumes no solar PV as well (or a typical UK winter even with PV!).

[@robinbennett5994]

@@TheBoothy666 I don't understand how you got the 30-35 miles. If the battery is charging at 4KW and the car at 7kW they're using a total of 11kW. That would be close to a 60A (13kW) connection but there would still be head-room with a 80A (18kW) or 100A (23kW) connection.

[@TheBoothy666]

@@robinbennett5994 I was assuming charging the car and the home battery were not being done in parallel, i.e. Charge the house for up to 1.9 hours till full, then the car for 2.1 hours (or more). All I was doing was pointing out it's viable with a house battery and an EV, even if you only have a 4 hour overnight slot for cheap elec pricing. Obviously having a integrated control system to manage the car charger and battery system in tandem would make this work better, i.e. charge the car at max rate, and anything left over push into the house battery, (or the other way round depending on your priorities) but not everyone has these things integrated.

[@dinmakers]

Where do I put all this stuff?

[@Flyingtwiglet]

In your garage, loft, outside, I’ve seen some installed in the hallway. Loads of options.

[@jezlawrence720]

We need 20-30kwh of storage to cost the same as a gas boiler. *Then* were talking revolution.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Great money saver

[@danielmadar9938]

Thanks

[@brummiesalteno-81]

How long before the energy companies stop the cheaper overnight rates? 🤔

[@scottkolaya2110]

As soon as the majority start driving EVs and charging at night. Then the day and night demand will be about the same.

[@Adam-u1n1b]

I think it will always be a bit cheaper at night, otherwise EV drivers will just charge in the day. But the gap may lessen as battery and other storage systems are developed and their costs decrease. Or the gap might between high and low rates might widen further as more and more variable renewables are added to the grid. I guess that in the end we will develop something like massive electrolysers to produce and compress or liquify hydrogen, to soak up the low rate power, which will later supply it for seasonal needs, ships or planes @@scottkolaya2110

[@robinbennett5994]

The UK expects to triple the amount of wind power by 2030, and we already produce almost enough to match night-time demand when it's windy. I think that instead of a cheap overnight rate, we're likely to see a bigger price difference but with a more complex scheme that reflects how much wind there is.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@robinbennett5994 Key words... When windy... Doesn't matter how many turbines you have, you can't control the wind and when there's nothing you have to burn gas.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

not long..

[@ndudman8]

10kwh / day is high ? Really ? 20-30 here easily... add a car to that ?

[@robinbennett5994]

Is that in the UK, or do you live somewhere sunny and have air-conditioning? 10kWh is normal for 4/5 bedroom house in the UK.

[@Nikoo033]

@@robinbennett5994no 10kWh/day is high usage for UK according to Ofgem (3900kWh annually). Average is 2700kWh/year. Look it up. But still too high. Efficiency measures have to be put in place before adding all the green gadgets. Households of 4, plus EV charging: 2250kWh a year… so 6kWh/day. 😊

[@ronfischer191]

Can they expand to Canada?

[@legod1976]

Nice GivEnergy advert

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Trading electricity with the grid, daytrading, for money and profit will be a big thing. EVs come with a free battery built-in, Hahaha. EVs selfplug-in and daytrading grid support stability and electricity energy as per the vehicles computer can be extremely profitable. South Australia big battery paid for itself in the first year. $100million.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Only nio has active VTG. Load up on cheap energy at night and sell it during the peak day rates thru your car battery. And of course all their swap stations do energy arbitrage as well. Not stationary and pointless megapacks but multi purpose batteries.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@reginald7214 very clever 👏. Elon Musk will do the same at his Tesla rapid charge stations on the main roads. PV panels for the entire site, and big batteries.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@stephenbrickwood1602 do the big batteries just have that 1 function? Does your Tesla car battery still degrades over its life? Do you only get to choose 1 size battery? So they don't have solar yet, but maybe someday? Every fixed battery ev has a finite life span. That's why the rental companies are running away screaming and going back to gas cars.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@reginald7214 The big batteries would accumulated cheapest electricity when available and then rapidly send large amounts of DC to the customers EV battery when the customer plugs in. I am not an early adopter of new technology because I installed gas and electricity and run 2 older vehicles. Petrol. For me to make the most of electricity we would need to buy new appliances and install rooftop PV. And I am very busy at the moment. Arbitrage is what most grid connected buildings will do with EVs plugged into the grid at the car park spaces. Everything needs maintenance and has a life cycle. Rental companies have their own problems. I think ICE vehicles and petrol will get cheaper to maintain cashflow for as long as possible. All customers know ICE vehicles.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@stephenbrickwood1602 oh for sure. Except that big battery only performs that function. Nio's big batteries are its own swap station with 23 batteries each. Buy, sell, store, power cars, no degradation, multiple sizes. Spread across huge areas of the country. All in one unit, not Teslas garbage megapacks. And of course high speed charging wastes way more energy than the swap stations do.

[@DrewNorthup]

For those not in the UK, Australia, or other portions of the Commonwealth using the same terminology, since "MD" doesn't mean "Medical Doctor" here, what does it mean?

[@peterryan7340]

Managing Director

[@DrewNorthup]

@@peterryan7340 TY

[@holdenwaters]

I am 16 and I use 100% SOLAR ENERGY WITH GROUND SOLAR IT IS MOBILE AND I have 2 Small Batterys IT'S AMAZING 🎉😊

[@PeterBache]

What really needs to happen is all manufacturers of inverters , batteries ,EV chargers and heat pumps . Need to provide an open common standard API , so that 3rd party control can optimise your performance. Example don't charge car when home batteries would discharge , and would also allow for vpp's and not be locked into a manufacturers eco system .

[@kiddwong4186]

The MD must have a huge battery capacity at his home. £4 a day offset suggests he is offsetting his usage by at least 20kWh!!! Assuming Octopus Go rates = 9p night, 29p day gives you 20p saving per 1kWh offset by the battery.

[@Flyingtwiglet]

He has an EV too…. So quite likely

[@Roamor1]

Its a great addictive hobby. Love it.

[@John-FourteenSix]

Are GivEnergy working on a 2 way EV charger yet? This would massively impact the home battery requirement.

[@chrismarshall25]

Do you mean bi-directional EV charger (as in, power the home from the EV battery, as well as charge the EV)?

[@FernandoMiguel]

This is sadly more dependent on car support which is still rare

[@matbowden9156]

Kia EV9. Renault Mégane. Leaf 🤮

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Only nio has active VTG. Load up on cheap energy at night and sell it during the peak day rates. And of course all their swap stations do energy arbitrage as well. No stationary and pointless megapacks.

[@matbowden9156]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n Sorry, but ya wrong buddy. I already replied above. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISvg5uuhLN3bKcsi=kt1baD6stAYK5cPI

[@OldManTony]

Unfortunately these systems have too long a payback for a pensioner. I’m out.

[@richardblakey3345]

You change your home energy rating by fitting the system. If you are worried about how much you have spent and have increased the value of your house.

[@OldManTony]

@@richardblakey3345 increasing the value of the house is no good when you’re dead

[@richardblakey3345]

So you have no one that will inherit your house? Better than anything else you can give your offspring is a house that is worth more and help save those of us still living on the planet. Maybe people should think more widely than just their remaining brief time on the earth relative to the world we are handing down to future generations. We do what we do for our kids and maybe grandkids rather than simply feeling better about what we do today.

[@OldManTony]

@@richardblakey3345 you know what you can do, take your own advice and stop telling other people what to do. You don’t know my situation, so don’t assume you do! Tw4t!

[@wind-leader_jp]

日本で10年前に太陽光発電を自宅に導入しました。 この10年間は売電に補助金が加算されましたが今年その補助金が終了し、蓄電池も検討しましたがまだまだ高価です。 それに蓄電池を否定するつもりは有りませんが、バッテリーを製造する時の中国でのCO2排出量と蓄電池の寿命、そして零下になれば下がると予測される出力を正しく公開して欲しいですよね。 動画の中に夜間の安い電力で蓄電するという会話がありますが、日本ではソーラーパネルが有る程度普及し、本来なら夜間電力の方が高くなりつつある。 しかし電力会社はそれを公開せずに、10年経過した安く買える太陽光発電の電力で従来通り高い金額で市民に転売している。 世界は本当にCO2を削減する気があるのか疑問だ、太陽光が普及した現在は夜間の電力消費を下げる事がCO2削減の正しい行動だからです。 太陽光が活発に発電出来る時間帯は電気料金をさげると経済にも良いと思いますけどね。

[@scottkolaya2110]

That's amazing how expensive your electricity is. The guy saves 4-5 pounds, $6US. And says 10kWh per day is a lot. 10kWh only costs us $1.50. Our price would have to go way up to make batteries worth it.

[@robinbennett5994]

UK price is about 30p/kWh at the moment. It doubled when Russia cut off gas exports, but would be even higher if the government wasn't subsidising it for domestic use. Commercial rates were over 70p/kWh last year!

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

And that is the problem, while your electricity is so cheap you and others will waste, like Gasoline, too cheap STILL thats why 'everyone' drives around in gas guzzling tanks, called utes.

[@scottkolaya2110]

@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 That certainly is the problem. We do have a lot of relatively cheap electricity. Where I live, it's so cheap, that we let water go around the hydro plant and fall down the falls because it looks pretty and makes more money in tourism than the electricity it generates. The Niagara plant alone generates 12% of what the entire UK uses in electricity, and it runs 24x7x365 and doesn't vary and we have 300 more hydrodams just in NY. Another 1/3 comes from nuclear plants built 50 years ago. Both of those just run 24x7. The remaining 1/3 is from local NG power. Even with substantial subsidies, my rooftop solar has over a 10-year payback and that's with 100% net metering credits. And yeah, it's pathetic that Americans complain about $3.50/gal gasoline like it's ridiculously high and want it back down to $2/gal when no one was driving during the pandemic so they can afford to drive their over-compensating gigantic vehicles. Unfortunately, the below-average American thinks the president controls that. And will vote for anybody that promises low fuel costs, and I mean anybody, criminal or not.

[@BritishAnts]

He uses 20 kWh a day, dodgy but possible if mining coin. Think someone is getting back handers as this company gets serious coverage by this channel! The cable situation put me off this company, they sent out the batterys and no unique cables! Videos online from people waiting 6 months to connect! Hopefully they have sorted this out now! I use Renogy but these things all come from China at the end of the day!😂

[@dailyrider2975]

What effect will Sodium-ion battery have on home batteries? Would it be wise to wait a 1yr for them to come out?

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

It's not happening anytime soon, so IF you want a battery before 2030's get one...

[@theairstig9164]

Yes wait for sodium. B it it will be five years even if you assemble your own batteries. An 18650 sodium ion battery is about $1.00 when bought in packs of 100, after shipping A thousand cells is 1.5Kwh. A whole powerwall 2 is $13k installed. I know which one uses less of my time

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Only nio has active VTG. Load up on cheap energy at night and sell it during the peak day rates thru your car battery. And of course all their swap stations do energy arbitrage as well. Not stationary and pointless megapacks but multi purpose batteries.

[@John-FourteenSix]

DFS payment of £24 sounds like an amazing opportunity.

[@robinbennett5994]

Octopus has been paying £2/kWh for most of their saving sessions this year, with some paying £4 per kWh. I think the all-in-one has a 5kW inverter, so you could have made £20 a few times in December. For this chap to make £24, the session could have lasted more than the typical one hour or been at a slightly higher price, or he might have had a higher power inverter that isn't released yet. There are only a few of these per year (at the moment), so their impact is relatively small compared to the daily savings over the year. I'd also like to know how he's saving £4 a day. The difference between off and on-peak power is about 20p/kWh, so a 13kWh AIO would only save about £2.30 a day - maybe he has a big solar system too, and was able to recharge the battery.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@robinbennett5994 Proof renewables are so much cheaper... Only £4kwh. That's why my bills are so cheap they don't bother billing me.

[@ssoffshore5111]

@@robinbennett5994 I'm sure it was a cherry-picked scenario to increase interest and sales...

[@John-FourteenSix]

@@robinbennett5994 You make some good points there, especially the 500 kWh of excess Solar (@ 15p) I exported over the year. Thank you for responding. Amazing opportunity was perhaps overstated by me. I discovered by trial, that the difference between what you use and what you save - also includes what you export. E.g. I normally run on battery all day after charging overnight, so I can’t save anything that I’m not using… However if I export during the saving session - the export figure is used for calculation purposes. This export nets around £5 per saving session which is good, allbeit I’ve only done this twice. I guess at least I know about this now…

[@kadmow]

THE hang-up many have, is: To save 4-5GBP per day one has to spend 4-5k GBP to play in this space... - What I love about Solar in Australia (without batteries - though i have the benefit of both having, AND not having batteries) daytime Cooling - becomes an essentially free exercise - once a "sizeable investment" has been made, of course.. VPPs are here - BUT you NEVER want to be "forced to use" the grid for residential power if you are on a "wholesale pricing exposed" plan - 16kWh or more is necessary for many homes to get through any power eventuality - say a 24hr blackout after a storm, or running the ducted AC all night. The only thing really selling batteries un Australia is the ever increasing price of retail power, the people being "forced" to use TOU plans ($0.60Electricity Solar to Night time heating "could be done"/ IS possible - via an additional storage hot water tank - heated by solar - Thermal or PV, during the day (This is still possible in the UK - or Europe as long as the panels are free of snow)...

[@LisaMitchell-kn7vo]

Great video! l'm favoured, $60K every week, I no longer depend on Government grants and salary.

[@ChampsLloyds]

Same here, with my current portfolio made from my investments with my personal financial advisor 1 totally agree with you

[@LisaMitchell-kn7vo]

YES!!! That's exactly her name (Elizabeth Ann Graney) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊 from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺

[@darrylhodge6708]

I have heard a lot of wonderful things about Elizabeth Ann on the news but didn't believe it until now. I'm definitely trying her out

[@LisaMitchell-kn7vo]

Sure! She interacts on what's Apk using the digit below👇

[@Bethany391]

The very first time we tried, we invested $1000 and after a week, we received $4500. That really helped us a lot to pay up our bills.

[@logik100.0]

I just got a quote and my repayment on the investment is > 8 years. Just not worth it...

[@Flyingtwiglet]

That’s what the installer says but you need to do your own maths. I was quoted 13years and I think it will be 3. The differences for me over the quote are cheap overnight tariff 7.5p, better export tariff 15p, Octopus saving sessions - earned me £95 in Dec. My quote was based on a flat rate of 18p per kWh which I was paying at the time.

[@logik100.0]

@@Flyingtwiglet Thanks I will redo the maths myself

[@richyfoster7694]

So 8 years to breakeven is a problem? What about the next 16 years of paid off production? Sounds like a far better investment than a house mortgage.

[@logik100.0]

@@richyfoster7694 I have other stuff I can do and get a quicker payback. By the time they are done I will get a better deal. BTW As was pointed out in an above comment the 8 year maths was not right. I worked it out to be more like 6

[@unclepete100]

…very very aggressive Government targets….great for battery salesmen, great for high and middle income earners. And, as usual, the poor and renters in general, subsidise middle class welfare through their power bills…

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

yep, but set yourself a target to get off the bottom ladder....

[@unclepete100]

@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 😂😂😂… Yes, witty reply, much appreciated, however, perhaps check your priors? Cheers

[@kevinaub]

Something very cute with her voice

[@wesleyfoster1967]

is here, notification (set to all) received, subscribed, gave you a 👍! 🙂Audio video is good.

[@nickthegriffin]

How did you get there ? Hopefully not on a airplane that is "burning stuff" 😂

[@happytriggerfinger]

Realizing how shit the rules are in Sweden now. Prolly 2-3 times the cost and green tax exemption is not allowed for batteries charged from the grid. Only from pv panels etc.

[@mikemellor759]

I love the idea of making money from my home energy system - thanks for explaining the process. 👏👏

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Only works for well off people, make it cheaper and pay well so people with money buy and make money. Then when the uptake is high all those go away so the poorer people don't make anything. Look at Australia solar feed in payed really well in the beginning, so people had their system paid off in no time and making money. Now you have solar to maybe break even in years to come and to help ease the high prices of electricity. Not worth feeding into the grid in Australia now. Literally only a few cents kWh.

[@cingramuk]

Don't expect to be making a ton off it. They are currently in the second winter of testing it and paying over the odds to incentivise people to use it, so the numbers people are quoting on DFS are currently inflated. NG ESO have just announced for the remaining 4 tests this year, rather than giving the guaranteed £3/kWh of the previous tests (and £4/kWh in the couple of live events), there will be competitive bidding, and energy companies and the likes of GivEnergy will be bidding against each other. This is likely to dramatically reduce the price consumers get. It's still a great idea, but just need to be weary of the numbers being quoted.

[@maurice3590]

I do not agree with the "cheap" tariff over night, I believe it should be much more dynamic having a daily minimum and maximum and every 15min should be adjusted. This would help us greatly flatten the curve and adapt our consumption to production.

[@cingramuk]

That already exists. Energy markets are priced every 30 minutes. Octopus offer a tariff called Agile that follows the wholesale market. The reason the cheap overnight rates exist is because Octopus wanted to prove to the market/NG ESO that it could incentivise people to charge at a time that suited the grid and not the owner. They do this by offering a cheap rate. Now they have moved that on to Intelligent, which control when your car charges and when it does, you get the cheap rate, no matter which time of day. Again, its cheap purely to get people to use it, so Octopus can show it works. It's well known that this was a loss leader for Octopus. They are now (or were) trialing being part of the grid balancing mechanism and turning chargers on and off to suit the peaks and troughs of demand on the grid. This will be earning them money which likely balances out the cheap rate to customers.

[@maurice3590]

@@cingramuk in the UK it does. Over here in Portugal not that I am aware of. We get cheaper night tariff despite huge solar capacity. Solar outperforms both wind and hydro by a lot so the only thing beeing "ON" in the night could be Gas or coal 🤐

[@cingramuk]

@@maurice3590 ah I didn't realise you weren't in the UK. Yes that makes sense, maybe ping Octopus a message if they serve Portugal.

[@jamesphillips2285]

I cringe every time a home energy system relies on an "app". They tend to be proprietary and rely on a "cloud" server (and Internet access) to work. I would rather manage things with an Home Assistant "local" integration.

[@Flyingtwiglet]

You can do either with GivEnergy. I really like their app which runs locally and/or from cloud data.

[@ascgazz]

Well, the two guys I saw I wouldn’t want to give that much money to. They both seem to really struggle with accurate communication.

[@kevinmatthews2620]

you forgot the 13.5 kwh givenergy AIO,even the givenergy bloke didnt correct you ???

[@TassieEV]

Thought it was AU based then suddenly shifts to the UK only. Although none of this is at all useful to renters.

[@laurieh]

Just me that thinks the sound was weird 😂...like microphones were over gained

[@b_uppy]

How about featuring vawts more often? Feels like this channel is about China's interests...

[@ferkeap]

The money they make is payed by the rest of the consumers. It's not about lower energy costs on the grid. It consequence of old coal and Variable RE. Installing geothermal/hydro and nuclear must happen to get sustainable and lower grid prices.

[@robinbennett5994]

The money is saved from not needing to start up extra fossil fuel generators at peak time. 'Peaker' power plants are quite expensive to run.

[@80y3r9]

That man looks like he uses too much energy

[@ndudman8]

Don't woman shovel on 2 much make up ? real shame

[@HairyNumbNuts]

Gee, you really contributed with an insightful post, eh?