This is Why AM4 is Dead

[@sanstheskeleton9874]

"if you have the budget" Who's gonna tell him?

[@PyhisPahis]

we're all broke. there, I said it

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@PyhisPahis not even just that, most people don’t want to spend beyond 600 for a pc. You can get a perfectly capable 1440p gaming experience with that money.

[@PyhisPahis]

@@donaldtrumplover2254 when you live from paycheck to paycheck it's not that easy to set aside money for a new PC

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@PyhisPahis yes, but a lot of people do have the money. They just do not want to spend more on a pc than what they will get out of it. I consider my 5700 xt and ryzen 5 3500 to be a good tier of gaming computer but most people like this KZbinr would scoff at that idea.

[@pagz1237]

​@@donaldtrumplover2254 this KZbinr always recommends the 5700xt for used graphic cards..

[@asteroidsareidiots]

If AM4 is dead, i'm a f@cking zombie

[@MilleyD17]

Were in a technological revolution.

[@dan33]

Bro didnt watch the video

[@ProfShikari]

Did you even watch the video? It gives a short to the point explanation of why it is dead in terms of future proofing, he didn’t say it is a platform no longer supported or viable.

[@asteroidsareidiots]

​@@ProfShikari guys, just sarcasm, relax hahahah

[@legendkgaming8585]

​@@ProfShikari bro he is just joking

[@acekobeast8393]

"Discontinue" is the right word bro. Me with my i7 4790k going to upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 in 2025. Rich people won't understand until they step on our shoes.. don't care if it's am4 is dead. Its a big jump for me.. my broke ass won't be able to buy am5 in 2025 maybe 2030. Living in a rich and wealthy country is a fortune i tell you that.. good for you brother

[@ToniaGlitched]

Agreed, a few months ago I got an upgrade for my i3 4005U, an i7 4510U with a GeForce 840M (it's a "brand new" 9 years old laptop since these things don't allow for CPU and GPU upgrades anymore)... Altho I still use my i3 4005U for most things since the i7'a heat sink is bent and there's not replacement parts for this laptop, and I can't solder a new heat sink by myself yet either. People from richer countries often tell me that my setups can't even do basic gaming nor run windows 10 tho, which's bullshit²

[@Dwightisawsome69420]

I did this upgrade a few months ago and its good. I miss my 4790k tho...

[@paperbag4477]

I’m sorry but unless you have a job that requires you to have a pc that NEEDS every single frame per millisecond, you don’t need the latest gen cpu/gpu. Even your old set up is still leagues above any new console made today. That’s also to say that games & other forms of media are mostly 60fps, 1080p.

[@ToniaGlitched]

@@paperbag4477 uh... a 4th gen i7 isn't above a ps5 or xbox series... Nor is my i7 4510U (2/4 2.0~3.1GHz, I know core count and clock speed isn't everything, but come on, it's 2013 hardware). It can play a lot more due to the fact you can play many early 2000s games natively if you mess with settings for enough time, the likes of Itch io and Game Jolt, that have lots of indie games, the fact that Steam will always have more games than the PSN or the Xbox store, as well as emulation (altho you can install Retro Arch on the developer mode, that costs... 20 dolars? On the Xbox Series S/X and it supports everything up until the ps2)

[@ToniaGlitched]

@@paperbag4477 theres no way an i7 4790k is more powerful than a ps5/Xbox series. Nor is my i7 4510U (2/4 of 2.0~3.1GHz, I know clockspeed isn't everything, but come on, these two are 2013 hardware, CPUs have evolved since then, newer Ryzen have better performance than older intel, and the ps5/x series have modern AMD processors). That said, yeah, even on an old pc it's easier to have access to more games, most stuff from the early 2000s up until 2020 will still run, it have good platforms for indie games like Itch io and Game Jolt. Steam is huge, bigger than PSN or Xbox store will ever be and Epic gives out games for free, so that helps, as well as emulation (altho you can emulate up until the ps2 on a Xbox Series S/X on developer mode).

[@compmanio36]

Let's be real, the upgrade is always the GPU, and by the time you have to replace the CPU, it's an entire upgrade of the entire setup.

[@stickman2012]

True story.

[@Aurozxy]

@@stickman2012 so true i recently upgraded from i3 6th gen to i7 8th gen nd bought a a 1660 and when i play games its pretty obv tht i7 8700k can compete with gpus like 2060 super or 2080 ti

[@stickman2012]

@g8xe5gl6e I bought my 500 watt power supply in a time when GPU TDP was under 200 watts. I mean I used to have a 750ti. Now everything is power hungry. The meta-card is the 6700xt but I don't have the wattage. Do I feel like getting another PSU just for a GPU upgrade? Nah. So I'm stuck with the very efficient 4060. Am I happy? Yea. I don't play a ton of new 2023 titles anyways.

[@tristen9736]

Depends on the games you use it for. Stuff I play is completely cpu bound

[@Red_-Super]

1000% facts

[@Baguettecroissant11]

Very informative. Always out here with the great explain around and tips. Thanks ZTT

[@Drive-X-Gaming]

He has helped Me a lot

[@___idk]

yh

[@tarudasu]

yh

[@noname3930.]

yh

[@TangoThis]

Yh

[@arhibot1]

AM4 so dead that im about to upgrade from 3500x to 5700x

[@Pace00713]

@@arhibot1 my current pc is a 5800x and an rx6800xt

[@D4rkMatter1975]

Just upgraded from I7700k to AM4 Ryzen 5700x so happy with the upgrade from 4c 8T to 8C 16T has made my PC spring to life it may be a dead end platform for some but for me it’s a new lease of life 😂🎉😅

[@CarlRei]

@@D4rkMatter1975 just upgraded my ryzen 2600 to 5700x3d. ddr5 is almost double the ddr4 price now.

[@antmoody209]

@@CarlReiI’m looking into the 5600x I have the 2600x how much better it it?

[@scottieboy91]

I’m gonna upgrade from a 3700x to a 5800x3d or 5959x3d depends on what deals I can get.

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

I've had a Ryzen 7 5800x3D for about a year now and i think i'll last me at least 3 more years. That CPU is a beast

[@wil-fri]

Probably will dure more depending on your needs

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

@im_Carlisle I don't play games every day, sometimes I just have it on to do homework and such.

[@Hydra_X9K_Music]

@im_Carlisle I'm in University, but yeah, I don't have this PC on all day every day. There are some days where I dont even turn it on at all. I also have a really good cpu cooler and good fans keeping it cool. I think I'm taking good care of it.

[@manojkumardahiya]

yo I've 5800X, not 3d cuz Im not into gaming and bought it on 2 Jan..

[@jimmyc00l]

@im_Carlisle computer components are designed to run at max load 24/7, your CPU does not need a rest.

[@Rodolfowei12345]

Most people do not even change their CPU in 5 years so the socket is most of the times pointless

[@sor3999]

I think he's talking to the yearly upgraders, but he's too deep into this crowd he doesn't realize the average person doesn't need to consider the socket.

[@jeffreyeasther7304]

I didn't change my entire pc for 9 years, had to when gpu and cpu died last year.

[@ac47dz]

My ivy bridge & rx550 still alive.

[@barney2159]

Really, I'm gonna last with my i5 8500 for at least another 3 years and I got it in 2018. Games just don't have those jumps in hardware limitations like they used to, and they probably wont ever again. If you build a decent PC now, if it doesn't break it will last you for the next 10 years at least. I could bet money that a 7600x/7800xt combo will still be great for 1440p gaming even in 2040 lol.

[@tataduzy4260]

I've had the same AMD Phenom processor on AMD3 for 15 years now.

[@mintagenart]

I don't like treating tech like fast fashion. It dies when it can no longer do its job, not when it isn't the newest thing.

[@drip2007]

It cant be upgraded forward, so its a dead end upgrade wise hence dead socket. It has nothing to do with how popular or good it is

[@blkspade23]

Dead as a platform means you probably shouldn't begin a new investment into it, not that the one you have stops being useful. You'd be starting behind the curve on multiple technologies.

[@CombatMedic1O]

Think you are misinterpreting how he uses the word dead.

[@jaketakenobreak]

when people us the term dead in tech it usually means its a dead end, as it isnt going to recieve any further developments, not that its no longer functional

[@EdwardVelez]

Yes, but no. Tech is built on the idea of bleeding edge. While true that you don't need a 4090, it doesn't mean you should still buy a 2080 even though you could still game on one for the next 5-8 years

[@fuzzymuppet1990]

I always had this opinion, but in reality, I never managed to once upgrade before a socket refresh in 30 years lol

[@Abu_Brandino]

Same, I’ve always build on endgame CPUs and their socket.

[@krisvaras7801]

i like this comment, i have always ended up building PCs at the sockets deathbed lol oh well

[@fuzzymuppet1990]

@@krisvaras7801 yeah my main rig is still an i7 7700k, man what a bad time to buy it then , outdated about 3-4 months later.. in the past month though my best friend upgraded his 3070ti to a 7900xtx and gave me the 3070ti for free.. and im coming from a 1080ti so pretty decent upgrade.. sometimes the 8gb vram gets in the way though..

[@fuzzymuppet1990]

@@krisvaras7801 man to think I built a full rig with an i7 and a 1080ti which were top of the line parts at the time, for 1200 new

[@PineyJustice]

@@fuzzymuppet1990 If you'd gone with a ryzen 1700x or 1800x instead, you could have dropped a 5800x3d in it last year and still been top notch gaming for the next 3-4 years. That's the point, don't buy into end of life sockets.

[@tdsnoob3865]

Li'l bro talking about am4 like an ancient device from the 1800s 💀 )Pls stop spamming me with replies saying "yes it's dead" no shit Sherlock ik its dead but ZTT is saying it can't run anything)

[@alonymelony8047]

it pretty much is

[@tdsnoob3865]

@@alonymelony8047 me still rocking a gt 1030 and an fm2 cpu:

[@alonymelony8047]

@@tdsnoob3865 may your fps be many and your L's few

[@wellnesportstore9519]

it is reeetard

[@iliketoast-q9b]

@@alonymelony8047 Fortunately the days when you had to upgrade your system every year to maintain playable fps even on new games are long gone.

[@Spartan536]

Wrong wording, it's not dead, it's a dead end socket, it ends with Ryzen 5000. AMD supported socket AM4 for a whopping 4 generations and now 6 years with the upcoming 5000XT series CPU's. Intel is notorious for doing this for just 1-2 generations, and sometimes within a single year.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

the XT is a BS product though, but they did give us the 5700x3d at a really nice upgrade price.

[@zues121510]

I used my last CPU for 8.5 years. I think my 5800x is enough for a while 😂

[@ressferrer8530]

Here's a slice of cake. That's not the point of this video, my friend

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

Thank you for not being a mindless consumer and upgrading every gen or every other gen!!!

[@TsunaXZ]

I'm still on 3700x lol

[@Qw1lzyyy]

Fr

[@Qw1lzyyy]

@ressferrer8530 "slice of cake" 💀💀

[@philberco]

And then the 5800X3D enters the room with his younger brother 5600X3D. "We aint dead. We just getting started."

[@GamerTagEquiflux]

And the 5700x3d came out like 3 weeks ago 😅

[@styx15]

It's insane how the 5800x3d is matching the 7950x3d and 7800x3d in games, just shows how GOATed it is.

[@FLMKane]

​@@GamerTagEquiflux Wait WHAT!? Ave AMD! Ole ole ole, AMD AMD!

[@FrostyDAsnoPLUG]

For real tho, I keep thinking i need to upgrade , and then i get on warzone and average 300plus fps on my 240hz oled ... 5800x3d will last me another couple years@@styx15

[@janappel2417]

​@@styx155800X3d is 20% slower than 7800x3d.

[@Kepler_2258]

“Am4 is dead” thumbnail shows LGA1700 Socket lol

[@Kaelios]

i took it personally 😂 i got a 13600k but i think my next build will be AMD when AM6 will release (in 50 years 💀)

[@darkally1235]

While correct in principle, you also need to consider how likely you are to upgrade only the CPU in the next 2-3 years and whether the additional performance & future proofing are worth the additional total cost (CPU+MB+RAM+PSU).

[@Pringlesman]

100%. It's reasonable to think that you can buy a higher end AM4 socket system since people are ditching it for AM5 and then wait out AM5 for AM6 generation hardware.

[@clamojoat8543]

@@Pringlesman right but not every one looks at it like that. I know people with old ass IBM systems that think them systems should still be usable just because they still work. maybe for use with the old software sure it wont work on the new stuff so yep. but you need new stuff to use new stuff.

[@ElTovarish]

There's something really important you missed. In the third world, we ain't making an am5 build until 2027 tbh

[@David-jt4bh]

I dont want to go to AM5. It's too expensive. My Ryzen 9 5950X is still a beast and I can play with my RX 7900XTX and 64 GB of RAM everything. No need to upgrade my system in the next years. AM4 still rocks

[@filiphedman4392]

You can use that CPU for another 10 years.

[@David-jt4bh]

@@filiphedman4392 I will go with my Ryzen 9 5950X for many years, maybe 10 years....maybe my GPU will get an upgrade after a few years. Overall I love this system and there is no need for an upgrade.

[@jimijamesnoob685]

Just built a Ryzen 9 5900x with 128GB but only have a rx 6600 xt. I do more tasks than gaming though. Definitely upgrading the gpu but waiting for next gen to drop so prices go down on 7900xt

[@Kyle.BadOmens]

Just don’t upgrade if you don’t need to is the best advice

[@David-jt4bh]

@@Kyle.BadOmens I need and I bought the Ryzen 9 5950X with the RX 7900XTX. I have a good AM4 Asus ROG Motherboard and 64 GB of RAM. So I will still use this. AM5 ist too expensive for me and I must buy a new Motherboard and RAM. I will use AM4 a few more years. It is still a powerful platform.

[@wuki-]

Reminder that he advertises shady antivirus companies without disclosing it as an ad.

[@ProfShikari]

What?

[@icewallowcome8366]

Man, am4 is not even dead yet in his explanation! Amd is releasing a new r7 5700x3d and r5 5500x3d look them up on google the release date is 2024. Im looking up on his channel 90% of his shorts are completely misinformation and rage baits!!

[@wuki-]

​@@ProfShikari yeah it's pretty fckin bad.

[@DFX2KX]

does he do that in longform videos or the like, because I've never seen such a thing in the shorts I stumble into. That noted, the advice on sockets is still valid.

[@Peytonwatson14]

I’ve never seen it either. What antivirus is it?

[@eliplawner682]

Lga1700 is the same, it supports up to a i9 14900k, which is good with a 4090, so it could still be good for the next couple of hears

[@Riyozsu]

Not until the 15600k beats it in every way

[@hobojoe13245]

​@@Riyozsuthat doesnt mean its going to be immediately terrible, not being the best doesnt make it the worst

[@XenoJoker]

Im still on qn i7 8700k and its staying strong. When I get my 13700k I won't be upgrading for another 5 years. Perhaps I might get the i9 14900ks in a few years with a 4090.

[@TBTornado]

Yes, but if you want to go to further generations, like 15th, 16th, 17th gen, there are no more generations on the socket.

[@XenoJoker]

@@TBTornado i know, but I don't care about the latest and greatest.

[@WirHyperboreer]

Honestly, I have always heard this argument and mostly followed it, but I didn't ever actually upgrade a CPU. By the time the CPU is not potent enough for gaming any more, there will be new generations with new sockets.

[@richieshambharkar3938]

If 5 years later I am buying another expensive CPU, I don't mind buying a new motherboard and Ram.

[@RexOedipus.]

Regular people. Just go buy whatever you cab afford at the moment. For enthusiasts sure you can have "future proofing." But for the regular gamer? Yeah most people just change their entire thing every 5 or 7 years

[@SadMarinersFan]

​@RexOedipus. I mean I "future proofed" on AM4. 5800x3D 32GB 3200 Ram (could be faster but I only game so it wasn't *that* important to me 2080 4TB NVME. I'm gonna see this out until AM5 is on its last Gen CPU then do the same. Just cause it's not the best doesn't mean it isn't good.

[@ProfShikari]

I’m rocking a 4 year old laptop with an i7-9750h and a 1660Ti… I can’t simply upgrade my MOBO, CPU and RAM 🤣🤣🤣 whole new system for me, which is why I’m going to be building an AM5 system this year

[@Amy-kh3zl]

​​@@SadMarinersFanalso depend on what you play,if you only play at lower reso,your setup could potentially last till the first-mid gen of am6

[@yamspaine]

There is so much effort in getting the thing running that there is no point in doing other work on it. DDR4 should be cheap now, being a bit behind the price hump is nice.

[@brutalknife3928]

Ok let's be real, IT'S NOT DEAD until the CPU can't handle modern games or can't be useful at all, so AM4 will last at least 10 years more.

[@Pile_of_Rats]

Yeah ngl, I just upgraded to a 5800x3d to get the absolute best my mobo can do. its gonna be my cpu for the NEXT 4 to 5 years after my previous 2600 or 3600 (dont recall at the time)

[@Xaileth]

​@Pile_of_Rats I just upgraded from a 3500 to the same chip, very nice.

[@SleepyFawn]

This is different. AM4 still has amazing processors, but in terms of PC building, a dead platform is simply a socket that won't see any new releases. This isn't the same as when no one plays a game anymore, and they call it a dead game.

[@danielgonzalezjimenez5677]

@@Pile_of_Rats Lmao I too just upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 2600. With this CPU I can be sure I'm getting the best performance out of my new RX 7700 XT

[@PieczarkaIV]

Meanwhile me with Athlon X4 860k on fm2+ socket 🙃

[@kylekeller5549]

most folks usually only buy one gen on a platform, only maybe 2-3% of ppl upgrade each gen or every other generation of cpu;s. So if you buy a Ryzen 5000 series chip now, there is a good chance you might skip the whole AM5 platform altogether. I have a 7600x but the value in a Ryzen 5500 build is undeniable with the low price of the chip and DDR4 ram. So if you are on a budget AM4 is definately the way to go even now.

[@calebstaats5741]

I just did a build with the ryzen 5600 and a 4060 and I’m loving it. This pc will easily last over a decade as a household computer while I keep the real rig in my cave ;)

[@masonmatters1465]

@@calebstaats5741 thats right, i've been using 5600x with 3060 TI and i just recently upgraded my motherboard from b550 to TUF 570X PLUS its going great not gonna lie, i see the overall perfomance improvement.

[@PavelShevchuk]

There's also a factor of second hand market. If you have no buyers for a CPU without motherboard, or sell it for a price of a McD Happy Meal, the value of upgrading just the CPU may not be worth the effort

[@kaushikmitra28]

"Don't buy current gen tech, because the next gen is a few months away"😂😂😂😂

[@Kizu-yu7ko]

It only if u "want" to upgrade in the future, it better for it to be suit for the future upgrade, not all people upgrade often, so depends on the person

[@Kizu-yu7ko]

Like he said, "if u have budget"it just to spend less money in the future upgrade, so depends on your budget👍

[@skhy5076]

am5 has been out for a year and a half or so now lol

[@moce.2451]

Nah, its good, lots of discount bro, never buying new tech immediatelly

[@BType13X2]

@@Kizu-yu7ko that argument only matters if as you said people plan on upgrading most people do not upgrade just their processor most of the time.

[@PsylentSir]

*Ddr3 is still used widely in the Philippines! I3 2nd gen still running in shops!*

[@elliemikazuki4757]

bro ya'll just broke 1d11111ots

[@Keviniscool65]

Ain’t no way y’all are still on ddr3 ddr6 is abt to drop

[@burakahmettr8193]

@@Keviniscool65 other than western hemisphere, other world countries still use intel 2. gen because it provides well. not everyone needs a gaming beast that consumes more watt than a high end gpu constantly

[@abanana2859]

​@@Keviniscool65The world doesn't revolve around you people

[@slaydog5102]

@@abanana2859skill issue, get your money up.

[@achour.falestine]

Who's here after computex after AMD announced they are still supporting AM4 😂😂😂

[@caliginousmoira8565]

this is the comment i was looking for.

[@reaperzxxtj8759]

This dude consistently puts out cringe videos about technology using basic "internet facts from reddit"

[@nostrum6410]

this advice would be fine, if it didnt involve less performance now, unfortunately it does. 5800x3d makes far more sense for pretty much the same cost

[@BLVCK6]

My FX 4100 peepin out from the corner to watch this 💀

[@RJWaynerium]

There there it's okay *pat pat*

[@Geop_Chad]

🥲

[@LtSheppardXxL]

Hows that ole girl doing? what cooler you got slapped on that smoking ass?

[@TheHangarHobbit]

Hey I still have two FX chips in my family bro, my FX-6100 is being used by my middle grandson to play Mechanics Simulator and the oldest granddaughter took my FX-8320e, slapped a $30 RX570 she found on eBay and is using it for Edler Scrolls online. So you go little 4100, you go!

[@DJ_Emn-948]

If AM4 is dead, then my LGA775 is a zombie?

[@Swarailiaball]

nah bro thats an archeological discovery for the love of god upgrade that 😭

[@tracesmith3572]

It's definitely some form of undead, lol. 😂

[@thegfd1531]

If am4 is dead now, then lga1700 was dead on it's launch😂😂

[@RJWaynerium]

Seriously that was a bad era for intel

[@hartle4]

there were two more gens of cpus after lga1700 came out

[@thegfd1531]

@@hartle4 two more gens which had no differences?

[@hartle4]

@@thegfd1531 there is a difference i have ran system with 12 series and 14 series cpu, they are not the same only AMD fanbois say that

[@thegfd1531]

@@hartle4 what differences do they have? More micro cores?

[@cereal_killer123]

Dude I still run a Core 2 Duo. Our family just went broke after my father was paralyzed from neck down. That's unfortunate but I'm good with my pc. 😊

[@ivanvladimir0435]

Most "oh no! Anyways" I have ever seen in youtube

[@danny2717]

That’s sad to hear. I wish you and your family the best.

[@BenState]

No insurance? Core 2 Duo is about to get nerfed by Windows.

[@pctrashtalk2069]

I keep around a Core 2 duo PC to run older XP programs and it still works pretty well. Just for the hell of it I installed Windows 10 and a modded Windows 11 that ignores the minimum hardware requirements and they both ran fine with Core 2. I'm not gaming on them but still. I found out that Windows 10 32 bit on newer hardware will run some of the older XP programs great so that is a option. The Core 2 systems are faster than the AM2+ systems that I tried.

[@punker4Real]

my laptop is a i7 first gen i'm going to get a used I9 8th gen laptop no point in buying the latest

[@thechoku9765]

We don't like it when our beloved am4 being called "dead", we prefer "discontinued"

[@dopeslayin6197]

Yeah but getting a new cpu is a pain honestly so long as you're satisfied with the performance just stick to the budget

[@beRezeh]

I’m on AM4 still going to buy an X3D as an upgrade should last me couple more years 😅

[@ProfShikari]

And this is the difference between having an upgrade path and being future proof, get that x3d my friend and enjoy a few more years of fun with your system :)

[@JermaineJJ97]

There’s a new x3d chip coming out for am4, it won’t be taking advantage of the faster memory speeds on the am5 socket type, though memory speed might not always matter if you aren’t doing like intense gaming

[@ProfShikari]

@@JermaineJJ97 it’s also not going to be as powerful as the 5800x3d

[@beRezeh]

@@JermaineJJ97 yeah I plan on buying a 5700x3D. I just don’t feel like buying a new mobo and ram

[@beRezeh]

@@ProfShikari I don’t do much now a days mostly just browsing the web, I only play a handful of games at a time or with my girlfriend. Giving my lil bro my current cpu so he can dip his toes into pc gaming/building pc’s.

[@thorsten6422]

The last time I've upgraded my CPU without changing the motherboard was when the Tualatin P3 was all the rage.

[@richardclark7679]

No. Wrong. AM4 is still perfectly viable because it is dirt cheap these days now that AM5 is out. Generation over generation CPU/RAM performance in only marginal at best, which means that a cheap AM4 still kicks your furry little AM5 butt and will continue to do so for a very long time. AM4 is not dead. It is a fantastic bargain!

[@CCakers3996]

"Dead". Quotations matter.

[@SioGG]

Bro didn't watch the video

[@Alphacuremom55]

Yeah it's nice to be able to get a decent motherboard for less than $300 unlike pretty much every other playform

[@NEDMKitten]

5800 XT coming out this month clock 300 MHz higher than 5800X

[@NEDMKitten]

​@viperpit-lr2rpwrong

[@SunBearDabs]

I upgraded to am5 last year so hopefully it stays alive for 3 generations, hoping til the 9000 series cpus

[@SurferXVII]

It will stay alive alot longer than that. AM4 housing almost double digit numbers on AM4 and that really is a huge reason why AMD cpus were soooo much more popular. You saved money buy not having to upgreade ur mobo every time or two like you would on the Intel side if u wanted meaningful upgrades. I think there wil atleast be 4-5 gens on AM5, for reference, AM4 had 8.

[@mikebrehm1448]

it should since amd said am5 is being supported for 2 to 3 years

[@nostrum6410]

9000 would be 2 generations, even old school intel gave you 2 gens

[@nostrum6410]

​​​@@SurferXVIIam4 did not have 8, where you get that from? I count 4 and a 5th if you stretch and not necessarily needing a new board, often you did anyway, is a very minor factor with them becoming more popular

[@SurferXVII]

​@@nostrum6410 AM4 housed Bristol Ridge, Summit Ridge Raven Ridge, Pinnacle Ridge, Picasso, Matisse, Renoir, Vermeer, & 2 Genoa CPUs that got announced at CES 24' just a few weeks ago. That's actually 9 gens.. Google is free my friend.

[@Sira144hz]

Bros tryna make us poor but looking out for us in the future 💀

[@TASMITDAS-fb4ml]

Bro forgot to recommend ryzen 5 7600 this time🌝

[@Amy-kh3zl]

And forgot to recommend rx 6700 xt🌝

[@astral2048]

Fr

[@jondonnelly3]

7600 + curve optimiser + 103bclk + stable 6200 cl30 and tight timings gets very close to 7800x3d unless you use a 4090 in 1080p in old games and no one would do that.

[@MasterLeven11]

I had my i7 2600k from 2011 to 2019, switched to R5 3600 then and will probably use it for a few more years

[@ivanlimzg]

DDR5/AM5 is still too pricey at this point

[@GGigabiteM]

That it is. I had flashbacks to the 1990s high memory prices when I bought 64 GB of DDR5-6000 a few months ago, and it was in the $200 range. I hadn't spent that much on memory since the mid 90s when getting my system up to 128 MB was around the same number. Even during the memory shortages in the 2000s, memory wasn't that expensive, unless you were one of the unfortunate souls that adopted RD-RAM. My current workstation upgrade with a 7950X3D was about a thousand dollars.

[@userblame632]

@@GGigabiteM uhhhh I think you had a brainfart cause ddr5 wasnt a thing in 1990, and if it was, getting 64gb for only $200 would be downright insane

[@oneme7596]

⁠@@userblame632I think the only person having a brainfart here is you. Either that, or you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

[@Burritomuncher556]

I love how I see these videos a few months after I buy an am4 cpu and motherboard

[@Commanderziff]

'Dead' just means 'no more new chips', not 'it's useless now'. (Although AMD just might put out a few more, they just did with the 5700x3d.) The top chips on AM4 give plenty of performance. You can easily skip AM5 altogether. That's what I'm doing. You'll be fine.

[@RexOedipus.]

Eh dont bother. If it took you this long to get to am4 it would probably be am7 before you'd seitch anyways. Remember. Enthusiasts are not the average gamer. They care nore about aesthetics and having the biggest numbered components than just using the bloody thing

[@wisnuwibowo5861]

its all good bro, i just build r5 5600 last christmas

[@bbrriixxiiee]

Same here but i dont mind. Am4 platform is dirt cheap right now, and i dont do heavy gaming.

[@z3d999]

Same i got my am4 last year sept.

[@slootsy0001]

futureproofing is a fools errand, he runs a prebuilt company, he just wants you to purchase the new stock.

[@kylekeller5549]

100%. Replacing a cpu every generation while also claiming future proofing is idiotic.

[@mareksinister]

Me with my 1150 socket z97 mobo and 4790k I had since 2014 grabbing popcorn 🗿

[@GTALVG]

I am still using my old good ryzen 3 3200g to this day

[@TheRealSykx]

just upgraded from 1600 to 5800x3d and it's awesome, but damn it runs hot

[@brodriguez11000]

That's the other thing. Upgrading usually means it can still be used for something else.

[@GTALVG]

Upgraded my setup with Ryzen 5 5500 and RX 6600 also 550W PSU

[@ressferrer8530]

Very good explanation. My short temper does not have the patience to explain it this way and I end up throwing a tantrum and taking a nap. 😅

[@DylNyeTheDrummerGuy]

“So make sure everything is the newest most expensive parts out rn”

[@bobanfrombangladesh]

Only bad part about AM4 is that there's no room left for future upgrades. Otherwise it's still alive and provides good performance

[@pctrashtalk2069]

Lots of generations on AM4 depending on where you started.

[@paulie_tremolo]

are you saying there's no way I can upgrade my 2700x while keeping the same mobo & memory? 🤔

[@bobanfrombangladesh]

@@paulie_tremolo my bad. What I mean is that there is no room to upgrade to anything on AM5. And if you have 2700 it would still be better bet to upgrade to AM5 and ryzen 7 cpu. Though you still can buy an AM4 one if you want

[@paulie_tremolo]

@@bobanfrombangladesh might be better, but if low on cash I'll take that 5700x all day over also buying a new mobo and ddr5 memory.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@paulie_tremoloI would just get the 5800X3D or 5700X3D and call it a day if I were you.

[@a6893_]

The thing is for many of us "dead" means not at all usable anymore. AM4 is still running well so many of us don't call it dead yet. Intel 8th gen is dead 12th gen is not.

[@prdx8543]

Actually, in term of PC, dead means that the platform is no longer supported. Like Win10 is dead.

[@NahBra_EUC]

You are really good at making content. Keep up the solid work!

[@Zath88]

Meanwhile AMD just announced two more cpu sku’s for a “dead” platform

[@APU-iGPU]

Legendary AM4 💪

[@squillsify]

Just built an AM4 w/ a 3rd gen Ryzen that was exactly what I needed. I considered doing exactly what was suggested here - buying up in terms of Mobo to make it more useful in the future. In the end, so glad I went inexpensive, kept to my budget, bought a lot of used (but great) gear - and didn't get pulled into a rabbit hole of "future proofing".

[@koncepttheking4071]

Ahh boo AM4 isn’t dead. If you’re gaming, there are PLENTY AM4 socket cpus that will last I would think until at least 2027-2028.

[@seamusclifton7750]

The 5700x3d says otherwise

[@rafaelportella7907]

Great chip

[@HighguyMcfly]

Fair argument. I'm sticking with my 5950x and AM4 board though. Cheaper to work on and maintain and plenty powerful enough for my needs at least for the next 5 or 8 years.

[@bryancline8893]

I'd really figure it isn't dead yet because AMD is still releasing new CPUs on it.

[@Patexer]

lol. I’d upgrade like every 5 years

[@matro2]

Exact same with me. By the time I get to upgrading I'd be replacing half the computer by that time anyway.

[@Patexer]

@@matro2 yep

[@lucashytinen8160]

Same, the advice in this video isn’t really good imo. I got a 13700k for a wicked deal and that’ll last me 5 years. Who the hell upgrades their cpu within 2-3 years?

[@TheRealSykx]

I upgrade when my mobo dies, averaging 8 years

[@brodriguez11000]

I went ten years. Really the thing that needs upgrading is the Vega GPU far more than the AM4 CPU.

[@renefeijen5916]

Just built a AM4 Ryzen 5 5600X pc this week. It is very much alive and will be so for years to come. It is my home office/music listening/photo editing pc. And will last for at least 6 years, just like my last pc. Now my gaming rig... is a completely different story.

[@RookVR_]

Just built an am4 build, but I move out in roughly 4 years and my pc won’t be much use to me in the college I want to go to (usafa) so hopefully am4 will still get support from amd for at least 4 years

[@gergogame]

this aged like milk

[@McCormicMusicStudios]

I feel this pain. I built an AM4 system a month before AM5 was announced. And now to upgrade my CPU which will be needed in the next few months is going to run me like a grand for what I need.

[@ragdolinevalenta3312]

Pc aint dead until it stops functioning. A 10 year old machine can still do a lot whatever job you want it to do and can still run 95 percent of steam games at mid to high setting

[@DigIntoGaming]

When the ryzen am4 5000 chips came out, I bought a 2700x for like $140 new, b450 mobo for like $115 and 32gb ddr4 3200 cl16 ram for $110. This took me from a quad core i7 3770k which was $350 new from 2012 to an 8 core cpu. I still had my 1080ti so I didn't need to upgrade my gpu yet. But the whole cost of that upgrade with cpu, ram and mobo was less than a ryzen 7 5800x cpu by itself. Never be afraid to buy last gen if it's going to significantly cost less and still give you more than enough performance for you. I later upgraded to a 5800x3d, instead of going am5 because ddr5 ram was so expensive and so we're am5 motherboards. I got a good deal on a new 5800x3d, motherboard and ram which was still less than the cpu and motherboard on am5. I still have my 5800x3d and I upgraded to a rtx 4080 and because I play in 4k I won't need a cpu upgrade for a few more years. Unless the 9800x3d somehow has 20+ more fps or something crazy at 4k resolution, which is very unlikely. At this point I'm just waiting 4 years to upgrade my gpu again. Which works out to be about $325 a year, so if I was playing in 1080p I would have to buy a new gpu every year at about $325 to keep playing the latest games. So really if you think about it like that, paying $1300 to game at 4k 60fps for 4 years isn't so bad.

[@shattercross]

Futureproofing is a fool’s errand. There’s always something new coming, for most of us- we go for the best price to performance parts then run them into the dirt for a console generation- then upgrade when necessary.

[@pinalr]

Bought my girl an am4 ryzen 7 5700x because it was on sale, not because it was the best processor, but because she had already an am4 mobo with a ryzen 5 2600 and her rx7600 was having severe bottleneck. Didn't want to spend a lot upgrading, she's very casual in her gaming and coming from a nintendo switch she's amazed with the graphics. I kinda expect her computer to last at least 5 years, its a very nice cpu so I don't think she'll need more for a while.

[@angeldevildx]

I saw a reddit post from 3 years ago talking about how AM4 was going to die in 3 years. I'd say in 2030 (5-6 years from now) you can start LOOKING for an upgrade, but it won't be anything urgent.

[@tvHTHtv]

Hell I'm still running a 10700k on an LGA1200 socket and it's still got years of life left. Granted my next CPU upgrade will require a MOBO and socket upgrade but to say dont purchase "dead" sockets is ridiculous. CPU manufacturers are pushing out new gens before the old gens are obsolete. You can get a lot of bang for your buck out of an AM4 or LGA1700 socket. I cant say this dude is giving good advice.

[@wingleheimer]

The pins on an am5 socket is my biggest fear to this day

[@3d9e]

Intel: your socket is the same pin but it doesn't support anything else

[@StruggleBoxing]

Tell that to the 5800 xt and 5900 xt that came out 5 months after this video.😂😂

[@Rose-ec6he]

It's nice to hear a unique perspective on this. I can't say I agree with this exact take but I do personally find that supporting upgrades is an undervalued consideration when buying a PC. Most people tend to buy a PC and replace the entire thing after giving it 0 maintenance for a few years and this is very wasteful. Computers can easily last decades if taken care of well and occasionally fixed up and yet so often a couple years seems to be all people aim for, it's disappointing to see such a short path to landfill for little reason. Sure, I don't expect people to hold onto computers for decades but leaving room for increasing ram and swapping out the CPU can add years of comfortable usability. It's cheaper in the long run as well as less wasteful

[@VaughanDavies]

I'm planning to go AM5 simply because I'm lucky enough to be able to save the amount I need to future proof my build, and I hadn't decided on that until this morning. Originally, I was going with a 5950x, leaving aside enough to get extra ram and an NVME along with it. But I've decided to make the jump to AM5 just so that I can be confident and secure, knowing that when I need to upgrade, it'll be much easier to do so.

[@bad_metaphor]

Hardware Unboxed just released a video on how competitive the 5800x3d still is compared to current 9000-series.

[@userschoice1669]

Meanwhile, budget pc builders LOVE am4 because the generations of cpus that we couldn't afford when they were new are now at a much cheaper price point, and the higher end am4 chips outshine the budget am5 chips in every way, including $$$$. So there's that.

[@Anonymous-sb9rr]

Socket 1700 supports 12th, 13th and 14th gen Intel CPU's, but those generations use pretty much the same architecture. With 14th gen you get some more e-cores and more L2 cache than 12th gen, that's basically all the difference.

[@lqfr8813]

"if you have the budget" thats all the explaination needed.

[@DJMarcusGrant]

As someone else pointed out, "Dead" is the incorrect term to use. Discontinues is more accurate. AM4 is still capable of running modern games and utilizing most modern games. Come January I will be upgrading my Ryzen 5 5600X + RTX 3060Ti to Ryzen 7 5800X3D + RTX 4070/RTX 4070ti Super/RTX 4080

[@Aleksandar6ix]

Every socket is Dead unless you're upgrading every year. I build my PC platform for 5 years, so even AM4 would have been dead to me

[@АртемОрешкин-ф9г]

"No upgrade path" is more valid than "dead" for AM4. To be honest, I got B550 MoBo about 1-2 years ago, and still upgraded my CPU from 5600 to 5700x. But yeah, this was the last upgrade, since single-core performance of 5700x is the best that AM4 can provide. So, getting AM5 in couple years ig

[@Szarko32c]

I purchased AM4 B450 in 2018 and upgraded this year, so AM4 was a good investment few years ago. Today go for AM5 and upgrade in the future.

[@as7river]

Future proofing is a luxury. Most of us can't afford it. I built my PC a year ago with AM4, and I have limited options for upgrading, but I get to keep eating with a roof above my head and also play games.

[@OGbqze]

I'm always an entire Gen behind due to lack of PC budget. I was running an old AMD FX - 8350 and a gt1030 for a while, then upgraded to a I7 7700k and gtx 1080ti 2 years ago. Now I'm finally upgrading to a Ryzen 7 5800x and will probably keep it that way for a couple years until all this "new" stuff becomes "dead".

[@RedDwarfCruz]

My brother took that advice until he had to buy ddr5 ram and saw the price

[@JackTheGiantOne]

I just upgraded from a Ryzen 7 3700X to a Ryzen 9 5900X. Alongside my Radeon RX 7900 GRE. I’ll be set for the life of this build. When this needs an upgrade maybe AM6 will be out.

[@ZeePanzer]

Im tired of seeing people buying 7700Xs to pair with RTX 4060s, man the 5800X3D or 5700X3D can handle almost any GPU other than maybe an 4090. People love talk about botleneck, but man, you wont buy a 4080 to use in FHD, if you use the GPU you buy on the Resolution it was made to run, a 5800X3D is more than enough.

[@VeshSneaks]

As someone who literally just bought a 5800X3D on sale, a socket being "dead" isn't really a concern for most people. I don't know anyone who upgrades their PC often enough to have a new CPU within the same socket lifetime, unless they happen to need to replace an OOW CPU. I mean shit I'm still rocking a 6700K until I can buy the other parts for my new build.

[@vividfiber6668]

If i watch ur videos enough someday ill be able to build my own pc bc I'll understand what all the parts do and scrimp enough money by after a year and a half to build a decent budget pc that can run the new games on low and make frens gaming :3

[@asagiai4965]

By that logic, every cpu socket is dead. The question now should be why aren't we making a cpu socket the last longer?

[@VictoriaEXx]

I understand what he is saying. To me AM4 is alive and well. Just got a Ryzen 7 5800x, and an Rx 6950xt. Both for 600$. Amd is the budget king.

[@zzzubmno2755]

I just bought a AM4 Ryzen 7 5700g and they are selling like hot cakes. There are still tens of millions of people using am3. There is no reason to buy am5 board right now because you can get a good am4 cpu that will meet or exceed all game expectations. In a few years from now when am5 cpu have dropped in price and there is an advancement in gen 5 hardware, maybe then it will be worth buying am5 board. Until then, am4 is doing just fine.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

Am5 isn't consumer friendly yet... AM4 still has life

[@recaplord285]

Me being happy with ma goddamn 12100f knowing games won't fuck it till next 5 years

[@joshualapurga3431]

As long as AM5 board and DDR5 are expensive then AM4 is STILL alive

[@Joeyratatouille]

I got into am4 early, and am finally upgrading to the 5700x3d after getting the 7900gre and needing the headroom that my 3600 didn't offer. My single am4 board and kit of ram has saved me over $400 in ram and motherboards over a few upgrades and this latest one will last me for a few years at least.

[@TSteffi]

For people on a tight budget, the choice is usually this: Either buy low end stuff of the current generation that won't support the highest tier cpu anyway, or you get high end stuff of the generation before on sale. The latter is usually the smarter choice.

[@noobgoestrapping5084]

Have you ever done a poll regarding what your viewer base actually does with their rigs? Myself and many other hobbyist PC enjoyers I know never have to worry about socket future proofing because we're not consistently replacing these parts. By the time we upgrade, we need a new socket anyway. I'm happy enough to be in the minority if that's the case, but if the majority of your viewers are like me and my friends, perhaps this shouldn't be as big of a consideration as you're giving it

[@Arclite02]

Tech KZbinrs: "AM4 id DEAD!" AMD: "oh, look - new AM4 CPUs!"

[@user-gh1ql5uc8t]

There is definitely a great middle ground of putting together quality PCs with "old" components. One my favorite aspects about this is that the kinks in important software like the BIOS are either worked out or you know about it. Another is that there are less software updates to worry about for future maintenance since everything is usually on the latter half of it's "life." And with these builds you can still have the option to get a higher end upgrade down the line to stay relevant. Like if there is anything to cheap out on in this sort of build it is the GPU. Because you can always upgrade that later and not really have anything to worry about, unlike if you try to redo your cpu or motherboard later o , then you have to undo most of the build just to access it. So in essence shop the top of the last Gen or three gens back and upgrade the GPU to "current" Gen a year or two down the road. And remember more cores and threads doesn't mean it is better so always do only what is best for your application.