THIS IS WHY EVERYONE HATES MGK.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@thomasdavis8861]

Mgk diss Eminem on hot 97 and on tech 9 track I follow u on twitter if u got 1 bro

[@davidkay1948]

There's scs of his twitter saying he wud do underage girls slaging bands that built this from noting and almost shutting down any prospect of touring for artists that he been the support act ie tech nine

[@davidkay1948]

So Eminem didn't start it mgk did that tweet

[@davidkay1948]

Eminem did destroy him otherwise he wudnt do another genres hmmmmm

[@davidkay1948]

Look Jon snow u know nothing

[@philly_sports1558]

At first, I didn’t mind MGK going into pop punk. But when he started doing the whole “I’m the new King of Rock” thing, that really started getting on my nerves.

[@hughh4692]

Lol good

[@DannySlept]

Yeeeah

[@jaimequintero3535]

tHaT rEaLlY sTarTeD gEtTinG oN mY neRveS 👁👄👁🤡🤡🤡

[@jacksondevine8320]

He never said that

[@CrabSully]

Yeah calling yourself the king of rock is the least rock thing

[@awol.oper8r]

It's kind of funny to me how many of the musicians adopting edgy aesthetics these days, and then you listen to their music and it's the safest music you've ever heard. MGK's rock music embodies that pretty well

[@IrreIephant]

Yeah man nothing says edgy and badass like having someone write a 4 chord progression for you. I totally agree lmao.

[@KonwTheTrut]

I was actually thinking the same thing. After hearing his music, it's really just his fashion sense that sets him apart. I really like his pink guitar though lol

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@@IrreIephant exactly, nothing says edgy like PoP Punk music that fucking 10 year olds listen to.

[@timswartz943]

@@KonwTheTrut I feel like he started adopting the whole pink-colored theme jus bc lil peep did it. He mentioned peep (among others) on a Diablo track as well

[@alanagottalottasay997]

so true..I'm not a fan of any of his music but its odd to me that so much of his rap sounds genuine and legit...which aint an easy thing for any white boy like him to pull off...then his pop "punk" is so boring and safe... like its made for the approval of the parents of the kids who are listening to it....

[@georgeshears7974]

the culture and respecting heritage thing is a big part of it, but I mostly dislike him because: 1. every time he does anything there's a Complex article about it. 2. he's adopted this, edgy, 'pushing the boundaries' persona and then releases the most safe, kidz bop pop punk it's possible to make

[@birdsteak9267]

3. Can't even properly play his own songs live, though i give him props for playing live, unless the record is that horrible out of tune.

[@speedrakk]

@@birdsteak9267 and he is a major tool.

[@SRMoore1178]

@@speedrakk My friend in Cincinnati who is now a concert promoter got a chance to meet MGK. A few years ago I mentioned the Eminem diss track "Killshot" about MGK. He got a cringe look on his face and said "I met MGK. That guy is a huge dick".

[@BlackGirlLovesAnime6]

How is that his fault that news outlets write about him 😂? I love mgk new stuff. I actually like his pop punk way more than his rap. Whether you think he’s a poser or not he does the sound very well and he had 2 tours back to back for a reason. I wish I could’ve seen him perform

[@savagerez4123]

I never hear anyone bring up how Eminem called MGK “R. Kelly”. It’s so smooth no one noticed.

[@2smilymike]

I remember catching that when the album first dropped and being proper puzzled how no one else seemed to catch the reference...

[@CustodianVirgil]

My main issue with MGK personally is his persona. It just comes off as really cringeworthy to me, like he's trying too hard to prove himself.

[@lisarojas5423]

He definitely is trying too hard to be "special".

[@pelay01]

clearly jealous, kells never forces himself to be someone, he just has a really strong personality. he's such a calm and relaxed guy but ok

[@CustodianVirgil]

@@pelay01 Lmao what would I be jealous of?

[@jennag3226]

@@pelay01 Nah. Whenever i see him i just wanna laugh. Everything about him seems fake af. Hes pure cringe like he wants so bad to be cool😂

[@maximtheinternetbreaker4243]

What's wrong with it? Stop making reasons to hate people. Get a life.

[@milesmoraleswife323]

One of the many issues I have with MGK is that his whole "douchey jock f-boy badass, aggressive highschooler 'king of rock'" persona isn't just an image he uses for his marketing, he's actually like this. He's made this his real life personality and actually can be such an immature asshat.

[@nunyanope4988]

…and he’s in his 30’s

[@icepick1514]

Nailed it.

[@violabeaumont3758]

Took Eminem a bakers dozen in minutes to end this mans rap career. Probably did it on his coffee break.

[@hayden3476]

Which is ironic because it doesn’t feel like that’s who he really is - it’s a personality he adopted because it’s who he wishes he was his whole life. Dude is an insecure crybaby and you can feel it in everything he does.

[@colleen4ever]

I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.

[@johnnyjamsentmt]

For me it's simple like this.. if your new in the face of any genre of music, you do not shit talk towards the music legends that been out for a long time and still hold up til this day. That's when I lose respect or in a sense, "hate".

[@justice19xx31]

Even though the legend was talking shit to him first he just shouldn't respond?

[@thomastognetti]

The problem is that MGK wasn't unprovoked, if a person, even in he's a legend, talks shit to me, even if i'm new, i'm not going to shut up. If you want respect, give respect. That's the point. I don't know anything about the MGK/Em beef, and i don't care because i don't follow Em so idc actually, but if MGK started first, he made an error, and he doesn't deserve to be hated that much. And for people saying that MGK music sucks, you can suck his dick, because TTMD went well and i hope that MS is going to go well too, because he has his own fandom, that follow him no matter what.

[@justanothernobody982]

@@justice19xx31 MGK didnt have any respect to the rock subculture to begin with, he made a cocky and narcissistic appearance into the genre so people already didnt like him including legendary bands like Slipknot, if MGK had more respect and humility to begin with then Corey Taylor and many others probably wouldve respected him more in return Im a Slipknot fan and i agree that Corey Taylor started this beef, but MGK was disrespectful first

[@keithcozart9969]

@@justanothernobody982 Slipknot shit music

[@keithcozart9969]

@@justanothernobody982 they troll you bruh

[@Zergito]

As a hip hop fan I remember MGK’s come up and he was even hated then by rap fans. Not as hated as he is now by rock fans, but like if somebody told you that MGK was their favorite rapper, guaranteed that person is going to receive the big eye roll treatment lol.

[@dwhit6529]

See i grew up around Cleveland around here he was kinda great till he started acting like a moron and disrespecting people for no reason. Like Lace up and stuff with lil jon and tech n9ne he was on the way to becoming a greatly respected rapper and just blew it. This guy can say what he wants be even around here not many people like MGK anymore and it started before he switched to rock.

[@hectorg362]

Same. I think it's his personality.I tried to get into MGK during is early releases but hated him because of his controversy and his personality. That's why I stopped liking him.

[@jenniferphillippi1715]

@@hectorg362 he just wants to be Axl rose

[@gregverissimo6636]

Bro fr! and tho we do see diss in rap differently, you dont go diss old rappers saying they beard is weird like 5 years old rhyme and be proud of it. Fr......i never gave him attention and that was the first thing i saw lol why would i ever want to listen what he have to say after that

[@spiridonrobert16]

@@gregverissimo6636 coming mgk was a stan and growed up on em ,like what it was in his mind?he knowed what em can do in a beef and shit and rap devil nowadays is really an okay diss compared to whatever nick and game tried ,,disses,,love letter they wrote for em lol but i agree on that take rap devil has like 2 3 lines but mostly childish insults coming that you re going at arguably the greatest rapper ever lol

[@MrGryph78]

MGK is like if a 13-23 year old focus group designed a human persona.

[@the_kombinator]

Or AI.

[@litneyloxan]

Scary bc he has no boundaries with people in that age range

[@lejay7511]

Very underrated comment.

[@romethompson7762]

Such an accurate statement my KZbin friend

[@Pekoe.]

@@litneyloxan yk he fits in with pop punk tho

[@nicholasnardone4139]

Eminem didn't just attack MGK on Not Alike because of the tweet. The other main reason was because MGK featured on a song with Tech N9ne (whom Eminem shares a lot of respect for) called 'No Reason' and sneak-dissed Em twice on the song. And that, along with MGK's radio freestyle was what really set him off to diss him on Not Alike.

[@MrPupps903]

Exactly! Eminem didn't start this diss war. Eminem never starts them, but always ends them by putting the nail in the coffin. Thank you for writing this.

[@meganbreen255]

Exactly lol i should have known a fellow em fan wouldve been here to set him straight 😂 hes not the starter hes the finisher 100%

[@Yuuki_Asuna]

@@MrPupps903 what nail in the coffin? hahaha typical ilogical thinking, Is a number 4 rap album after the beef that nail in the coffin? I swear you people just don't like the fact that eminem didn't end the career of the strongest opponent he had and only help mgk more giving him the attention

[@jinzo637]

Eminem didn't just destroy his rapping career but made him switch music styles. What's next country? God forbid he even tries.

[@mylasttwoaccountsgotremove6382]

@@Yuuki_Asuna cringe

[@lesterama6110]

What you explained about why MGK is not accepted in rock culture explains perfectly why Post Malone was accepted in the first place

[@user-lv6mu8er9z]

I certainly don't hear people shitting on Post Malone anywhere near as much, but I don't know if I've really run into any rock fan who's brought him up or talked about him as if he was a rock artist.

[@VossaBygde]

Can you please explain what you mean??

[@falkorWillFU]

@@VossaBygde little kids and tweens like post malone. adults dont take him seriously

[@ilTHfeaa]

@@user-lv6mu8er9z post Malone definitely doesn’t strike me as rock at all but I also haven’t really listened to much by him

[@makaia7656]

Yea I don't listen to post Malone at all but he does come off as a genuine guy

[@gianninaruiz7436]

One of the most important values in rock your forgot to mention is the “rawness” a.k.a the worth of being the one who wrote the song and that all the thoughts and sounds are originally yours without any artificial help.

[@Bucephalus84]

He in a label implant. They prop him up to represent a "cultural" change. It is nothing more than trying to feminize men. Half the artists he works with look like they are previous under age sex trafficking victims.

[@matteuzs]

i think that one implies to all musical subcultures

[@adorabell4253]

@@matteuzs Not pop. Pop is only about the performance because it is well known and accepted that the songs are produced and sold by dedicated song producers.

[@matteuzs]

@@adorabell4253 well, generally people will respect a pop artist who writes his own original lyrics.

[@adorabell4253]

@@matteuzs Yes, but people also respect pop performers that don't write their own music, because with pop the music writing isn't the important bit. No one thinks less of Dua Lipa for not being a singer songwriter, or the Backstreet Boys. Pop artists are first and foremost performers and if they write their own songs that's nice but not at all necessary, unlike other genres where the music writing is much more important, even more than the performing.

[@user-hn8eo7sh4m]

Travis Barker doing more for the genre than MGK

[@daxxx2107]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Actually yes

[@travisvick792]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me were you even alive in the 90’s?

[@josh_h812]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Travis is just trying to get paid he'll work with anyone to make $$$$$$

[@JB-mw9pj]

Travis doesnt sing thats what MGK Is for

[@Charlie-jf1me]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me He gives opportunity to a lot of artists, and many of them end up making good music and some hit it big, putting rock in the spotlight again

[@brawlytorres6285]

One of the biggest reasons I can’t stand him (and a lot of the other big currently mainstream “pop punk” artists) is that every classic pop punk band I can think of were as relatable and coming from humble beginnings as you can imagine; a bunch of music nerds who came from nothing, and gradually became stars through hard work and the quality of their music. They weren’t pre-famous, as in, formerly a famous rapper, daughter of a big celebrity, former Disney Channel star, etc. This whole new scene, to me, seems like celebrities cosplaying as Pop Punk artists that will ditch the scene just as quickly as they cashed in on it. Anyways, go support real modern pop punk bands like State Champs, Games We Play and JER.

[@michaelsherman8349]

State champs? Lol no man. Just no..

[@sluggernott]

Ayyy State Champs is from my neck of the woods.

[@littleprince4933]

Listen to his early rap albums. The whole vibe and story to them is his struggles coming up.

[@ScarTissues]

MGK first dissed Eminem on “No Reason” but didn’t mention him by name. That’s what Eminem is referring to when he said he doesn’t “sneak dis” in “Not Alike”.

[@InfuriousCoffee]

Didnt Eminem actually name him in the line right before that?

[@ShellyMS19xx]

Em does sneak diss, though, doesn't he?

[@InfuriousCoffee]

"If you wanna come at me with a sub, Machine Gun And I'm talkin' to you but you already know who the fuck you are, Kelly I don't use sublims and sure as fuck don't sneak-diss But keep commentin' on my daughter Hailie" went and looked it up he does infact name him in the song

[@ScarTissues]

@@InfuriousCoffee Yes, Eminem doesn’t “sneak diss” and mentioned MGK by name. Like I said before, MGK first dissed Eminem in “No Reason” but never mentioned Eminem by name.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@InfuriousCoffee In that song - but there have been multiple songs since then, including at least 2 on MTBMB and another one recently.

[@RazielKainus]

rock and metal arent that much about tradition, more about freedom - you can be different, but you are also expected to respect others... you dont have to wear leather pants, have long hair, wear tattoos or drink beer... but you got to believe in the freedom it offers... also freedom to express one's emotions - you can be angry, sad, depressed, not just happy and smiling all around... and if you are being an asshole in general, you bet many metal fans will destroy you for that :D

[@CDavis-oe8nm]

This is the answer lol

[@disco7128]

MGK is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That guy's accent changes in a dramatic heartbeat just depending on who he stands close to so I believe nothing is authentic about him. Let me add that he is super insufferable to endure because he is arrogant, sloppy, rude just to name a few.

[@Eric-oq2yu]

Literally watch any interview w him. He does pop punk really well and his rap freestyles are very impressive. You're just a blind hater.

[@ultrawolflord8495]

@@Eric-oq2yu you must know him well after those interviews. Stop obsessing over strangers

[@Eric-oq2yu]

@@ultrawolflord8495 could literally say exactly that to you as well

[@ultrawolflord8495]

@@Eric-oq2yu not exactly, try again

[@jennastewart7290]

The thing about switching accents is actually a master communicator's skill. It's something people who are proficient at communication do. It's entirely possible to do that and be authentic at the core. I do agree, however, that he does seem authentically arrogant and a try-hard edgelord lol

[@Hubabuba258]

I think that his song "I think I'm okay" with Yungblud was really what steered him into playing rock instead of rap, this song was huge.

[@aly4488]

Love that song. Hate mgk tho

[@alvatrous]

it's a great song but so is body bag and play this when i'm gone.

[@johnmarcdegaard6589]

@@aly4488 my thoughts exactly. That song undeniably rips

[@zachlawson5238]

@@aly4488 Why is that?

[@BakrisKills]

Naw he ran from EM

[@lolwutno]

MGK comes off as genuinely douchy and disrespectful. It may be part of his appeal and success ala Fred Durst, so who am I to say anything about it, but it doesn't make me personally want to support him in any way.

[@philly_sports1558]

He definitely is like the new Fred Durst or Kid Rock.

[@lttledreamer]

but with fred, that’s all an image to get publicity....with mgk it seems genuine

[@Enderghost25]

@@lttledreamer true that

[@DrDipsh1t]

Idk how he is now, but when he was still up and coming in Cleveland I know a couple people that met him and said he was a good dude. Maybe fame got to him? Maybe it's a persona?

[@moshhard616]

No, just... no

[@hnjahnjah]

You said it perfectly... Being disrespectful towards his elders... Especially ones that made an enormous contribution to that genre of music and inspired lots of newer artists... Being a prick in general and pretending like he's better than everyone else... That shit belongs to rap... Not rock/heavy metal. Also, I don't personally like him because he didn't do anything new or revolutionary by going pop-punk. Sure, the songs are catchy and some of them are good, but honestly, he wouldn't be half as good if he didn't have Travis barker with him on drums.. Like... The dude is a straight up legend in the genre...

[@colleen4ever]

I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.

[@Babyguns96]

To be fair do you think Blink would be who they are currently if Travis hadn't joined the band? Travis is a musical Genius. Everything he touches turns to pure gold and benjamins.

[@daisymagnus306]

He's an insolent to the one's that came before him, he's egocentric, he's a misogynist and a groomer. He's literally all the bad things about 90s Axl Rose, but without the good music.

[@violabeaumont3758]

Axl Rose could have gave Eminem more of a challenge than that douchebag did. lol

[@killaseason82]

Lol damn

[@colleen4ever]

Yet he somehow won the heart of Megan Fox. I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.

[@mimimonster]

Oh he’s a groomer too? Haven’t heard that, nothing would surprise me about him though with all the other weird shit

[@Zancb]

lol do you even know what "misogynist" means?

[@taylorscott8638]

Honestly I was (and still am to a degree) in the camp that it was good he started making rock songs just to bring it back into the spotlight again. Never thought of him much before that 2020 album came out. But really it's Travis Barker who is the main driver of that whole movement. MGK is just a cog in that machine

[@MasonzeroDigitalWorks]

I feel like MGK made waves in the radio world but Travis Barker has been doing the "rising tides raise all ships" thing. He has worked with smaller artists, while MGK is making casual music listeners aware of rock again. I heard a ton of MGK on my local mainstream radio stations but not anything with Travis Barker. But my KZbin feed is filled with Travis's features.

[@nicolasgarcia2690]

As a lot of others artists who are embraced by rock comunity like kenny hoopla

[@pickles224]

@@nicolasgarcia2690 agreed. Kennyhoopla looks like the only artist in the mix who is embraced by both the modern pop punk scene and the new wave pop punk scene.

[@guter9415]

Poppy

[@nicolasgarcia2690]

@TheGhostWithin its up to him to take the lead and the success of mgk helps him too to receive more atention

[@wadekemmsies7180]

My girlfriend was a huge fan of his pop punk album until I played the new Turnstile album around her, now I hear less mgk and more turnstile, that's a punk band that really deserves attention, especially that latest album

[@nedkuczmynda3236]

Turnstiles the best band

[@jamalfromcollege2854]

@@nedkuczmynda3236 facts!

[@nedkuczmynda3236]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me then you are lost

[@Boom_OH]

A man of culture I see

[@glenbeckisadouche]

This is God Tier boyfriending

[@auxorion]

It's funny because the rock story is usually something like "I gave up everything in my life, even became homeless, to pursue this dream of being in a successful rock band. My band mates and I couch-surfed for years until we were finally signed" And the rap music attitude is more like either flaunting riches, success, and fame, or even PRETENDING to have those things until you finally do. It's like humility and sacrifice vs showing off and flaunting. ..probably why I've always loved rock.. the humility of it.

[@mayorofthenonsense]

Agreed. The people at the top nowadays are the types who will do whatever it takes to get rich and famous - including switching genres and insulting people with more talent than them.

[@EnxhioKotoni]

Every genera has their commercial shit and less known genius artists. Rap is rhyming prose that was born from internal thoughts and feelings that need to get talked out. Try diving deeper and you'll find many artists that will speak to you.

[@rickyschmidt3846]

Mgk was never accepted into Rap and it seems like the same from Rock. Not saying its not partly his fault, but it has made him create his own independent cult following, and they support him no matter what he does. I can respect it!

[@pickles224]

And I think by not being a part of the rap OR the rock scene, what he and Travis did was create a niche in the music landscape, and other rappers and solo artists are being welcomed in to become a part of that niche (via Travis Barker), which is why so many rappers are starting the jump to alt/rock. He started his own scene basically.

[@Masked_SVincent]

Idk how you can see he was never accepted into rap music. He definitely was and got credit from many old school rappers. The dude has a song with DMX even.

[@turicanelynk]

u call them 12 year old drug kids

[@NikkiBWithTheAdHd]

@@Masked_SVincent I actually liked his rap music. He had alot of bangers. 🤷‍♀️

[@Patrick-pc3vq]

He was definetely a respected rap artist until the Eminem beef, in my opinion he just aimed too high not realising what he is doing to his career.

[@theivins3512]

This is easily the best summation I have heard anyone make of the MGK phenomenon. I think you are 100% spot-on with the values and norms angle. But you also did the homework to know what so many don't realize, which is his longstanding connection to rock music. You were right to point out the SWS connection, but it's worth noting even further that the very first track on his first album (on Bad Boy Records of all labels) features Avenged Sevenfold. Crazy.

[@qwertyuiop9721]

Performed Papercut with Linkin Park in their Remembering Chester show, and he's always said he's had rock roots, I think

[@joandrumz3176]

Dude... wtf.

[@Mazdatree]

avenged sevenfold, you're for real?

[@theivins3512]

@@Mazdatree kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGPRZ52ZYtCIlZI

[@SiddhantPradhan22]

Great to hear such a nuanced explanation. Here's my two cents. I grew up in India and went to a boarding school with a massive rock culture so completely understand the cultural paradigm. Green Day was actually my gateway band into rock and everyone around me hated them so I understand the feeling. There's a generational shift here though. I don't think Gen Z really care about the disparate cultures anymore. I understand Slipknot acquiring legendary status but they haven't been mainstream relevant for years and it's something that a lot of us wanted. I'm so sick of listening to the same rap by 17 different new people every month. MGK is a douche but maybe that's the kind of mainstream attention rock music needs. A little controversy goes a long way. I don't think he's going to be the godfather of this new wave of pop punk but he's a start. Hopefully, better acts will follow that are more inclusive, less controversial, and with more meaningful lyrics. We could get back to the 00s with all those great bands but with a different cultural and generational attitude for the 2020s!

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Well said!

[@SiddhantPradhan22]

@@ThePunkRockMBA Just found the best take on metalheads and MGK and his beef with Corey Taylor. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHfPoKaAj8SqZrc&ab_channel=RockFeed Maybe make a video about metalheads vs MGK🤣

[@1stIParkMyCar]

Stopped reading when you said India

[@gianninaruiz7436]

Im a Gen Z, from 2004 and I have to say we do care about norms and values and scenes. Blink was my gateway band and I’ve been educating myself and I now love Screeching Weasel. Some of us do care about our favourite genre’s history and I personally hate MGKs guts.

[@bjornironside7941]

@@gianninaruiz7436 all that being said,lemme just add,'he don't even care about you either'

[@justinh7560]

After he gets rejected from enough genres, he’s gonna end up being the 3rd Island Boy

[@ZackSeifMusic]

The same people who hate on MGK also hated on BMTH when they went from Deathcore to Metalcore and then again into Mainstream Rock. He has always had rock influence in his music and didn't "Change genres because Eminem killed his game lol". He had M Shadows from A7X on his first major release. He has had guitars on his records. Travis performed on his 2019 album Hotel Diablo, where he also has a tribute song to Chester Bennington of LP. He's had a live band on stage for years, so it is just him doing something people in his genre are too scared to do and did it first. The whole current explosion of Emo and Pop-Punk revival mixed with hiphop (jXdn, kennyhoopla, Avril's comeback etc.) is because MGK went #1 with Tickets to My Downfall. And even that record has hip-hop influences on it like electronic drums, guest rap choruses, and the way that some of the drumbeats and production are approached. Facts are facts. Love him or hate him he's doing what all of us wish we could do, and that's make a full time career of music.

[@ryanlaf7150]

Well said

[@TheSuperdodo7]

Yeah but he still sucks ass I wish it was someone else doing what he’s doing

[@DiestroCorleone]

'So he's a poser, and he sucks, and I hate him'. One of the most common 'arguments' on the internet about basically... everything. You nailed it there, Finn.

[@Moshington]

This mentality predates the internet.

[@icepick1514]

@@Moshington agreed. "1, 2, 3, 4 who's punk, what's the score?"

[@Garglemymayo]

This almost reminds me of the 2003 Avril Lavigne days....good times.

[@blaisetzu]

Yes perhaps. But there is a difference with someone/band that started out in normal life from the ground up as what some would call a poser (or poser taste), compared to someone that literally hung up one costume and put on another costume/sound that was created by a committee with absolutely zero intention for sonic originality.

[@DiestroCorleone]

@@Garglemymayo I would argue that Avril is now an actual poser. Her new music seems extremely forced, while back in the day she was basically Alanis Morissette with some pop punk sprinkled here and there.

[@prophetsatirical8946]

He’s like 80s hair metal revivalist disguised as pop punk. His whole persona is all in on the indulgent rockstar lifestyle which is in direct contrast with anything that shares any roots with hardcore.

[@redpillmafia960]

Think that is also of the main difference between rock and rap… rap fans look up to people they want to be like, while rock fans look up to those that are them. Rap is more about image while rock is about being authentic.

[@Solo-X]

Man, I really appreciate how you broke this down intelligently. You compared the cultures, values & general scenes themselves & pointed out the psychology of them both. Well done sir!

[@kevinmitchell4018]

fuck yea. this dude is smart

[@matthewcarpenter6202]

Finally someone acknowledges that corey started it. I definitely think both of them need to just get over it but all these sites pretending mgk was unprovoked is definitely making the beef a bigger deal than it should be

[@ToroKnight1665]

actually mgk started it all because he got but hurt that Corey didn't want to be on his song because mgk wanted Corey to say what mgk wanted and he politely was like no this isn't my cup of tea in a way and best wishes

[@matthewcarpenter6202]

@@ToroKnight1665 actually no corey talked shit in an interview way before that

[@ToroKnight1665]

@@matthewcarpenter6202 so I did go back and look the the time line and yea Corey did start it but also he admitted he is pretty much say he is the grumpy old guy and knowing who slipknot is has a insane fan base probably would have been to ignore

[@matthewcarpenter6202]

@@ToroKnight1665 you're not wrong but what a lot of people forget is mgk came the hood n has that hood mentality so he was never gonna ignore that cuz in the hood ignoring that would ruin his rep

[@ToroKnight1665]

@@matthewcarpenter6202 yea very true but cocky and arrogant is never a good look

[@richardbayen3665]

Me personally, I never really got fully into pop punk, but when I see this guy act like he's king of the world and put out music ripped right out of 20 years ago, I just want him to be utterly trashed

[@TheSuperdodo7]

Agreed

[@Enderghost25]

totally my guy he is so annoying tbh

[@luisalgarin7071]

"Act like he's king of the world" I must've missed that part. Envy really puts the excuse blinders on for yall cause boy do I have some news for you on the personalities of damn near every band to exist.

[@richardbayen3665]

@@luisalgarin7071 I mean you have a point, but you have to admit he's pretty full of himself. And that's amplified by the amount of media coverage he gets just by opening his mouth

[@luisalgarin7071]

"I mean you have a point" then goes back in to the psychosis like I didn't just say what I said. People.

[@darrenmorgan870]

Of course it's not mainly about his music, it's more about him and the way he acts, the way he thinks he is the best thing in the music industry right now, like you said if someone else put out his album word for word it might be loved by the hard-core music fans, but again it's the way he is, that's all, it's not some complex issues it's just him and his attitude.

[@recklessandjulia]

Honestly this whole MGK thing and the way his "pop punk"/"rock" album kinda kickstarted the "feat. Travis Barker" thing makes me incredibly mad and it's disheartening. I love blink-182 and dude is a legend, but every other week you have a new song or album with his name attached and the production feels so watered down and doesn't have a single trace of a soul in it. I used to get excited bout songs with his name attached and now I'm like oh another one and it's the same thing over and over again with the same like 5 artists that are featured on each others songs. The problem I have isn't that it's been done before or sounds like a blink-182 rip off, the thing that bugs me is that it doesn't feel authentic and genuine to me

[@Koziiip]

I'm genuenly interested: what exactly makes it feel not authentic for you?

[@shroomshroom5945]

@@Koziiip surface level music as hell, fake blaccent, overly cocky

[@shroomshroom5945]

@@Koziiip and the guy didn't really make a whole lot of rock music at all. So him making an entire album of watered down blink 182 and calling himself king of rock does not feel genuine

[@bobbysmitty1628]

"I think rap music is the only vital form of music that has been introduced to music in a long time since punk rock." -- (Kurt Cobain).....traditional punk and rap had a ton of crossover and shared cultural dispositions. The commercialization is what made them distinct, and tribal. Industry has implemented separation in music for generations. Look how they tried to cut the connection between country and blues.

[@batman-sr2px]

That was a certain brand of rap music he was speaking about in the 90s and early 2000s. Rap has completely downgraded thanks to mainstream and just too much populariization for it's own good over the years.

[@brutalbasspro]

Anyone who said they were a “super-heavy punker” was definitely a hot topic hanging poser that owned a skateboard.

[@ashleybrown4754]

Super heavy punkers live a much different life.

[@Dru_Won]

You were the real official deal though bro

[@IrreIephant]

@@Dru_Won yeah bro he’s never stepped FOOT in a hot topic .. HE FUCKIN HARDCORE BRO.

[@Gottacacheemalll]

Who said super heavy punker??

[@foreveryactionthereisacons1683]

@@Gottacacheemalll Nobody"punk" ever said that ... Only poser's talk like that. I bet the guy can't projectile vomited on demand.

[@sandixuchiha5527]

You hit the nail on the head w this breakdown of why I don’t like him. Good job

[@trainspotter360]

The album would've been pretty good but the constant use of autotune makes it seem more pop than rock. It's a shame because it's not needed and gives the record an inherent fakeness.

[@casmiry]

It's just sound design. It is probably a selling point nowadays.

[@adeptdamage3669]

@@casmiry But it's overdone at this point and if rock wants to be considered "edgy" again it should avoid it.

[@carlosmgpinheiro]

That was a great video and a great point of view as it can explain why MGK is hated by the rock crowd while a guy like Post Malone is being embraced (just look at the way his Nirvana tribute concert went and is still talked about). Post is someone that can have one foot in each genre. He walks that fine line gracefully. MGK not so much.

[@webinfront]

Post actually respects and pays tribute to those who have paved the way for him in rock, unlike MGK.

[@inderjitkainth5353]

Also Post seems genuine

[@TheSuperdodo7]

Yeah I don’t like post Malone but I prefer him over mgk 100 percent

[@yissssss]

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Post Malone's, but he's just a straightforward guy so it's hard to hate on him. He's not LARP'ing. MGK has been copying other people his entire career regardless of genre and pretending like he is the one setting trends.

[@Enderghost25]

Yeah, Finn always drops banger videos love his channel and the community here.

[@natl5692]

MGK is a complicated character and a polarizing one As Ronnie from Falling in Reverse (to a degree) He admits as well that he's flawed, depressed, anxious ... I will always prefer somebody that is trying to do better than someone with no problems (No shame to anyone) And as a rock fan I believe that people are just not willing to give it a chance because it is MGK

[@jessearmstrong-kooy2930]

100% agree

[@dan182v]

Hard agree

[@caroline8125]

That makes sense to me, so many people in the genre act the same way he does yet they hardy receive any criticism. Its simply just the fans not wanting an outsider in the genre. Something very hypocritical if you ask me

[@davidpilger4136]

I was totally fine with him until he started talking shit on the OGs and saying he was the King of Rock. Imagine some new rapper shit talking 2pac and Biggie and proclaiming he’s the new king of rap with literally one kind of okay rap album under his belt.

[@natl5692]

@@davidpilger4136 i hope you do not mean Corey Taylor .... Because he spends himself is all career talking shit about other artists from every genre I'm not a fan of MGK but I just believe rock should stop being so touchy about everything Like artist can't criticize and talk shit about each other The OG were having a banter without taking themselves too seriously but now they got so dramatic over everything

[@bdup159]

I've always appreciated how you can still be objective and understand why a group may like a group even if you do not like it at all you remain objective rather than subjective

[@user-xb5oz1jm3h]

MGK is the one guy that starts a fight that he can’t finish

[@Journeyman2585]

Just to clarify for you, the reason Em wrote that part in Not Alike is mostly because MGK had been sneak dissing Em for years, one example being the song with MGK and Tech Nine, and there were a couple others. The tweet thing happened way way in the past.

[@prepperandson1399]

Lmfao who cares and no shit he says it in the song

[@ergoth154]

Sneak disses?

[@prepperandson1399]

@@ergoth154 he only said that literally cause Eminem said it in the song he didn't come up with that on his own

[@Bartimaeus9064]

Yeah came to mention the subliminal dis as well b

[@5usp3c7]

Yeah apparently he didn't find out about it until 2 years later when Marshall saw it in a KZbin video.

[@linzym.nunezc.1207]

This video is perfect. As an MGK fan, I completely understand why people hate on him. I mean, he doesn’t have a “likeable” personality nor is interested in faking one. He’s not humble and has this kinda attitude that comes off as annoying if you really don’t know him for some time now. I’m happy for his success and love the way that you pointed out he didn’t change genres and his music isn’t as bad as ppl say. I mean you don’t have to like him, but the man is in fact talented and successful, if you think he’s not just because you don’t like him please don’t lie to yourself like that. He needs to work on that personality tho, otherwise it can seriously destroy everything he’s been working for. He’s charismatic and versatile, but that will never pay off as it should if he doesn’t fix that attitude and learn how properly interact with the public, at the end of the day it’s the people that decides how long he’ll be relevant.

[@XclusionZone]

The dude likes kids man that's one of the bigger reasons people don't like this dude

[@leviathandiabolo6296]

Trivium is the band you see a perfect example of how to stay relevant for a long time.

[@eesynopsis7393]

Incredibly accurate and well said A+

[@bobbysmitty1628]

MGK is just the topic of the day. And the "he makes comments about underage girls" thing is not why most didn't like him. Most were probably unaware, if they're honest. Also, there are rock legends who are granddad age who have been caught "grooming" underage girls. Won't say names, but there were fly by stories no one was enraged about. Every rock fan I've heard speak on him just say "he's a poser" aka he got into it with Corey Taylor.

[@Masked_SVincent]

@@XclusionZone hmm I can think of several rock/metal stars that have been, but nobody wants to call them out.

[@metallixro]

I dont hate MGK I just wish I could live my life without ever seeing his face or hearing his music..

[@DrDipsh1t]

I wanna see someone like Ronnie Radke go into hip hop and see how it's received. Ghostemane apparently started out in black metal in his youth and doesn't seem to be doing badly (love some of the samples in his tracks). Is the rap community more accepting of this type of crossover?

[@pickles224]

Dude, I’ll bet he’d get the same hate Kells has, but in reverse.

[@dylanphillips5455]

Ronnie Radke actually did with his solo project he just never made it big in that scene

[@pickles224]

@@dylanphillips5455 I mean if you wanna get technical, Falling in Reverse is Ronnie Radke’s solo project.

[@awsomeboy360]

It really depends on what you do. Mike Shinoda the rapper in Linking Park had a rap album I believe.

[@DrDipsh1t]

@@awsomeboy360 he had Fort Minor which I liked when it came about. And that track with the x-ecutioners was pretty dope

[@MrZuppis]

I’ve been wondering about this for a while, about MGK specifically, and I appreciate that Finn broke it down in so much detail. MGK is exactly the man he describes himself as. He throws himself at the project, and uses whatever his core judgments already are. He’s going to have to be there for a while before he’s respected for that.

[@luke_cohen1]

Two things about MGK and his place in the music scene: he was a rocker that switched to rap and then switched back to rock and that he clearly knows that a tradition is only as useful as the times dictate it to be. I'm also a rock fan that spent 8 years listening to rap (2013-2021) and I do think that experience in the rap world holds a lot of lessons for rock fans (MGK's statements on the rock scene clearly define this dynamic). One of those lessons is that traditions are useful as long as they don't hold you back. If they do, get rid of them because they're likely holding others back as well. Plus, you should generally respect your elders but that respect should disappear the minute that elder attacks you in an unprovoked fashion (the Cardinal Sin of Corey Taylor). These ideas and the artists that support them should be listened to because rap and rock could learn something from them. Rejecting them just ruins each scene's objectivity and critical thinking skills and makes it more difficult for either scene to truly dominate the mainstream as the firebrand for pop culture.

[@slyskyspysty]

Corey had it coming.

[@slumpywumpy4166]

Go on Corey’s twitter. He aired the emails he had between himself and MGK’s manager. Corey was supposed to do a verse on one of MGK’s track, but being a songwriter himself, Corey didnt like the lyrics that were already written for him and so he decided to back out from the track. MGK didnt like that, and so he proceeded to start said beef. Corey’s comments about MGK tbh are perfectly fucking valid considering Corey has been in the business for over 2 decades, producing legendary songs and albums, compared to MGK’s pitiful career. MGK hasnt produced anything that can be even compared to the quality that Slipknot and Eminem have produced. He really needs to learn to make better music in whatever genre he’ll choose to go to next, rather than starting beef with the biggest Artist/Group in said genre. If you wanna argue that MGK is talented, go and search for his cover of SOAD’s “Aerials”, and then listen to the original song. He is a plague upon the entire music industry itself.

[@Lioness257]

So how is wearing comfortable shoes on stage holding any of these rock/metalbands back?

[@luke_cohen1]

@@Lioness257 It's a joke about the lack of star power and entertaining personalities in current rock music which lowers the genre's sales as a whole. Plus, anytime a rock band/musicians tries to pay the bills with their music, the fans deride them and try to destroy their career (which ruins any career prospects for newcomers). Rock's decline in popularity is it's OWN fault. Not anyone else's and It's going to need outsiders to get the genre back to the top of the charts. Here's a thought for rock fans to ponder: a healthy genre is one that doesn't require it's biggest stars to hold day jobs. They should be able to pay their bills through their music career alone. Plus, a healthy genre is one that doesn't allow an artist or band to climb the ladder of success and then pull the ladder up after them to prevent others from doing the same.

[@Lioness257]

@@luke_cohen1 I dont know man, I dont really care who eners the genre and who "belongs or not" I have been listening to metal half my life (33yo now) and for me it has never been about how well bands do in the mainstream, infact barely any of the bands I listen to are even popular within the scene and they keep putting out their stuff bcuz they love what they are doing... and i love them for that. I couldnt care less about a MGK really.

[@mackenziecolt]

I am happy you mentioned Spirit Box in explaining that bands like them should be headliners. I was annoyed when you said there wasn’t innovation. (Later explains the headliners are not innovative). For me there is so many awesome artists I love who are on the festival line up, just not as headliners. But, you also mentioned Lana shore. Notable should be headliners Jinger, Demon Slayer, Polyphia, Bring the Archers, 12 FN (broke up but relatively recent) have been so great. I’d love to see a video on bands like Spirit Box and Jinger!

[@royramone]

06:02 “If he’s a clone of Blink, and you like Blink and the other Blink clones… Why don’t you like his music?” 

This is something that gets terribly overlooked when discussing MGK’s cross over to Pop-Punk, and it’s the reason I don’t like it… It's actually not good. Regardless of who made it. It sounds like every 14 year olds first pop-punk release just with 100 times better production… It’s not a ‘Blink Clone’. It’s simply the most basic elements of pop-punk done without any personality. It’s like A.I created pop punk songs, featuring Travis Barker (which is a release I wouldn’t be surprised to see in 2022). You have to remember that we are over two decades removed from “What’s My Age Again” and “First Date”. Blink had moved on from that to the likes of “Asthenia” and “Not Now” in such a short time (with the BCR album in between), and the impact that Blinks ‘Maturity’ had on the genre is immeasurable. Pop-Punk evolved so much over the last twenty years that even the Blink Clones that existed pre ‘Travis Barker-Core’ had moved beyond your basic C, G, Am, F and trite lyrics that make up the entirety of ‘Downfall’. If ‘Downfall’ was released by ANY other artist, it would still be among my most disliked pop-punk albums because he added NOTHING to the genre except dumb facial expressions and a few tabloid headlines. And the same goes for almost all the other ‘Barker-Core’ acts. The simplicity and, frankly, setting-back of the genre by 20 years shouldn’t be overlooked because the one guy in the big band from the 'golden age' who didn’t write the music or lyrics is whore-ing himself out to these guys. Travis drumming on sub-par pop-punk songs doesn’t lend them an air of authenticity, I’m sorry. It just makes sure that bad songs have good drums. 17:35 “The way he carries himself is much more like a rapper than it is a Rock Artist” 

I think he carries himself like he’s unaware that Nirvana are about to come along and render him irrelevant. He was in ‘The Dirt’ and is friends with Tommy Lee… The 80s Hair scene was all about being the Alpha, having status and not wearing comfortable clothing, and Rock hasn't been in any way like that since people realised you could be a rock star while wearing ripped jeans and a check shirt back in '91. He’s trying to perpetuate the ‘sex, drugs, rock n roll’ attitude in a post me-too, social media ran world. I wouldn’t say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because of he acts like a rapper… I’d say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because that caricature of a “self centred, narcissistic, loudmouth” Rock Star was laughable even before MGK was born and he seems to be completely unaware of that.

[@rawrjay420]

ah yes now i remember the golden rule in rock and roll of respecting your elders..

[@backstage_explorer]

At first glance I was all for MGK and then after seeing his metamorphosis in the last year. My opinion changed so much about him. I disliked the whole media circus he creates and his agrumentive nature. We never saw AFI beefing with Offspring even NOFX doesn't beef with bands. Imagine if Anti-Flag beefed with Rise Against? I feel as if he's trying to deconstruct rock and to create this new sub genre that enjoys the creation of publicity by creating drama.

[@nathanielcava4128]

Agreed. He also Carries the savior complex. He didn’t save rock he just has a popular name so more people would get access to his music easier.

[@petrinafilip96]

Basically, he brought hollywood bullshit drama to rock again?

[@nicolasgarcia2690]

But we had nofx beef with kings of stone age

[@nicolasgarcia2690]

@FlagrantDefiance ok but slipknot and mgk as well arent from the same genre and look how ppl reacted

[@luisalgarin7071]

Ok...if people(the media and you) follow and blow up every little thing I do then how tf is that my fault? 😂 i dont think any of you actually hear/see yourselves when you critique things.

[@williamzhao2456]

It's kinda cool that you explained the differences of bring part of the culture and making music so concise and clear. Props to you.

[@ShazzaRose]

Honestly you’re the person who put me on to MGK’s pop punk stuff in the first place. And I do like his music, and find his relationship with Megan Fox amusing. But as a person… yeah, he’s kind of a douche. But he’s a douche that makes alright music, that I can vibe with, and gives me nostalgia. I’m more a casual fan. But uh, yeahhh, what he said about Haley, and other young girls definitely rubs me the wrong way.

[@aleksastamenkovic5526]

Its the type of music you bop your head to and get a bit nostalgic for, but then never listen to it again cause there is no reason to. His music to me at least has no substance and no replay value,except if you like mindless music like he makes.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

Just realize that he said those things 10 years ago, and in most cases, they are a few tweets, and one dumb interview where he was talking like he had a chance with Kendall Jenner even though he was literally nobody at the time. He's grown and matured. He does come off as a douche in that he doesn't care what people think about him - I can see why people would interpret it that way, and he's the type of artist that is easier to appreciate the more you know about him. But that's my opinion. Glad you're enjoying the music.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@aleksastamenkovic5526 The instrumentals may be mindless, but songs like lonely, play this when I'm gone, nothing inside, etc. are not mindless. They're talking about very real pain and issues in his life. The more popular songs are a little more mindless, I guess in some respects, but that's not because of him - that's because they're what people listen to over and over.

[@aleksastamenkovic5526]

@@ShellyMS19xx Well yeah im talking about the more mainstream stuff. Im not saying his entire catalog is just mindless songs.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@aleksastamenkovic5526 But that's not on him - that's because people like mindless stuff and keep buying it and listening to it. Bad Things just gained another Platinum plaque 6 years later so people are still listening to it.

[@davesmusicchannel3590]

I agree with what you said about Ticket's To My Downfall. It's not groundbreaking or original, but it's not bad either. It's very generic and the first 5 songs literally sound the same (I listened to it whilst running and I couldn't tell when one song ended and the next began) but that doesn't make it bad. I think people just don't like him as a person, or expect that if you're gonna switch genres then your debut in said new genre has to be AMAZING. For a first effort, it isn't bad whatsoever. In fact there's some generally good songs on there.

[@TheSuperdodo7]

Lmao I disagree

[@TheSuperdodo7]

He music sucks for rap and for rock

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@TheSuperdodo7 And nobody is arguing about what your opinion is - but as long as nobody came along and said you get to decide what sucks for all of society - it's just your opinion. Many people think otherwise.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

To me, the second and third songs sound similar but the rest are pretty distinct if you've listened to the album more than a few times.

[@jacobpotter2237]

It went number one. What else was he supposed to do lol?

[@KillerbyePVP]

I'm actually very happy he's making punk music now, one of my favorite artists atm, can't wait for his album to drop

[@kitsodube9322]

He's making pop punk and no pop punk is not punk

[@kingexclusivo]

Same

[@kingexclusivo]

@@kitsodube9322 Punk is literally in the name. Pop punk is a punk/rock subgenre…

[@kitsodube9322]

@@kingexclusivo lmao no, just because "punk" is in the the name of that sub genre doesn't mean it's punk. Emo was originally a subgenre of punk but it evolved to something else, some would argue it evolved to pop punk. Same with Gothic metal, it's not goth. Metalheads would call you a poser for calling trap metal a subgenre of metal. I wouldn't ofc because idc. All these genres evolve to something new which lose the identity they originally came from. Listen to Dead Kennedys or Poison Girls and compare them to Green Day(not sure if they're pop punk) or My chemical Romance or a song by MGK "emo girl".

[@kingexclusivo]

@@kitsodube9322 oh so it’s called pop punk but it’s actually country. Gotcha!

[@calvindancil2065]

MGK's music really showed me how deep and sophisticated every other pop punk band is by comparison

[@Robb3348]

pls give a couple of examples

[@calvindancil2065]

@@Robb3348 no

[@Robb3348]

@@calvindancil2065 how convincing

[@calvindancil2065]

@@Robb3348 so what year did you graduate from Killjoke University?

[@Robb3348]

@@calvindancil2065 your humor must have gone right over my head

[@Space-Holiday]

It was always clear that MGK was a fan of punk music. He had Kellin Quinn sing the hook to Rise Against’s “Swing Life Away” on one of his hip-hop mixtapes way back, and if you watch his interview with Nardwuar, Nard gives him a signed Anti-Flag record and he gets super hype about it.

[@issaacxxx6202]

That was a terrible cover lol but yeah he's always been a fan of punk

[@brandonlatus2218]

@@issaacxxx6202 he wouldent know punk if it hit him in the face

[@brandonlatus2218]

Mgk is a fan of pop punk he wouldent know real punk

[@brandonlatus2218]

I bet anti flag would hate him now he knows like 1 song he’s a poser he wouldent know real punk

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@brandonlatus2218 They wouldn't hate him. He was on Warped Tour with them and went to every one of their shows. Why would they hate a fan? Oh, that's right, you just assume people hate because that's the only emotion you seem to be able to feel.

[@patricklosiniecki8503]

I think you really nailed it. Again. In my case, I was never convinced he was "part of the culture" or that he really cared about rock music at all. The example that comes to mind is his cover of Misery Business. It was very... phoned in. It was a song that he knew everyone knows and that would be an easy click, but it sounded like some exhausted dude at a karaoke bar. Then when TTMDF came out, I remember thinking the same thing. I wasn't expecting anything revolutionary, but I was expecting at least some real personality. It never really showed itself to me. Then the interviews and coverage started. I couldn't avoid him. He got annoying. Fast. At that point, I still wasn't a fan, but I at least respected that he was getting people into rock music. Even to the smallest degree. He got his fans to leave their comfort zone in a lot of cases, and I thought that was cool. But any of the respect I had went away when he started speaking on behalf of rock music and the scene in general. It felt like the new guy at work giving you advice on how to do your job a few days after he started. I was kind of just listening to him, thinking "who the fuck do you think you are?". I for the most part ignored him after that. Until Riot Fest. I was planning on at least catching his set, to see if maybe I was missing something. I was already going to see Slipknot a few days later, so I didn't mind missing them. MGK was not great. He didn't sound great, he had a shitty attitude, no one was really getting into it with him. Then the stupid "weird masks" thing happened. I felt the same way as i did when he spoke on behalf of the rock scene. This time it's the new guy at work telling the guy who's been there for 25 years how to do their job. I officially couldn't bring myself to even bother with him anymore. A lot of people there felt the same way. I eneded up catching the 2nd half of Slipknot. Now with this whole beef and the constant lack of self-awareness, I'm just more sad than anything else. He should be doing damage control, but instead he and Corey are just fanning the dumpster fire that is the beef. As of now, I just hope that the new generation of rock fans MGK brought in doesn't think that shit like this is normal or wanted and we don't see this happening more and more in the years to come. It would be a huge bummer. But that's just my personal journey with him. Feel free to open a discussion with me. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.

[@almost.sweettalk.caffeine]

Yep, I agree 100%

[@eferrari96]

Well, you said it yourself, you have the mindset of an 50-year old boomer employee and don't like what the young people are doing. Idk in what degree he tried to represent the scene, I think it was more criticism. The thing is, what do you know what is good or people like? This is not even work, where you have actual work experience. It is just music. But whatever, just saying.

[@patricklosiniecki8503]

@_denzoned_ I'm not sure if you understood the comment I made. I was not saying that he was bad for making his album. It just wasn't my cup of tea. More my point was that he was telling people who have been making a living from rock music for far longer than him that their uniforms are incorrect and pretending like he's the savior for all of rock music. He was the new guy telling the veteran how to do their job. He's also not a "young kid" nor is he doing anything too over the top innovative. So my opinion has nothing to do with "what the kids are doing". I actually listen to a lot of new music from artists who haven't been around since 2010, but are a lot younger. I'll say again that I'm stoked that he brought a new wave of rock fans, but I don't agree with the way he carries himself while he tries to be the face of new rock music. But go off.

[@brandonlatus2218]

Mgk is a shitty failed rapper he will never be a rockstar or rock he embarrassed the pop punk genre real rockstar Corey taylor spoke the truth and owned him like Eminem did

[@nourhansaid4135]

@@patricklosiniecki8503 just a quick correction, when mgk made the comment about the comfortable shoes, he was talking about his experience in warped tour where some bands didn’t even play life instruments and wore comfortable cloth which is not how he grew watching rock bands do. There is an interview back in 2012 when he was on the tour and said the same thing. He wasn’t talking about all rock bands or demanding anyone to wear a certain way. Also, the beef with Corey is stupid because Corey started the trash talk, why mgk has to shut up about it ? IT doesn’t make sense to me..

[@street-zombie]

This was a great video. The one thing I personally would put differently is that I would call the core value in rock authenticity rather than tradition (although respecting tradition is also a big thing). You're supposed to use real drums, play live, wear comfortable shoes and black jeans, etc. because those things are seen as markers of authenticity as opposed to being fake or contrived.

[@skippy8696]

Great point man, well said 👍

[@boxofnicecrayons]

I would argue against that definition, only because triggered drums, synth, and extra effects (Periphery doesn't have a full strings section but that doesn't mean Misha doesn't add them into their songs) have been a part of rock music for the last few decades. There are those that still don't like those things, but I would argue that they don't like them because it's not traditional, not because it's inauthentic.

[@skippy8696]

@@boxofnicecrayons Just an example, but I remember The Berzerker getting a lot of criticism for allegedly using a drum machine (if you listen to their music it does sound inhumanly fast). Not using a live drummer or speeding up the drums in the studio is basically considered 'cheating' in metal. A friend of mine at the time refused to listen to them because of this. This is what we mean by authentic. I'm not sure what you mean by synths...things like keyboards or? I've never had an issue with this. My favourite black metal album (In The Nightside Eclipse) is littered with keyboards -- it really adds this creepy and evil vibe to the music.

[@boxofnicecrayons]

@@skippy8696 there are certainly purists who shun triggered drums still, but it's become much more commonplace. I do not mean keyboards, I mean synths or digital add ins - going in to whatever recording program they're using and adding, for lack of a better term, beeps and boops lol. I remember a big argument against nu metal bands like Linkin Park having a DJ was that it wasn't a "traditional" instrument for rock music.

[@skippy8696]

@@boxofnicecrayons Fair enough. Artists have been doing that since the '70s. Dark Side of the Moon, one of the most iconic albums in the history of rock, uses a lot of synths and sounds added in the studio. Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, which (in my opinion) is the greatest rock album from that decade also used synths. By the '80s, it had become pretty commonplace. The whole issue with the DJ in the group, which is a nu-metal thing in general, comes from that elitist/gatekeeper mindset where nearly everything nu-metal bands do is wrong. Turntables and sampling started in hip hop music and many people didn't like the idea of it crossing over into rock/metal although looking back on the culture at the time, it was kinda inevitable. If you want to make the argument for something being against tradition, you have to ask why something is a tradition in the first place. In the case of DJs, is it simply a culture clash or something a little deeper i.e. the idea that hip hop music is lowbrow and requires little to no talent (something I don't agree with). Idk, people can make up their own mind. Either way, tradition and authenticity can be used interchangeably here.

[@its_not_fair9866]

It's so strange how I remember how when bloody valentine came out everyone was stoked on his new direction, the top comment was something like "I didn't expect MGK to revive a 2000's pop punk scene but sure" and look where we are now. I personally don't think he is bad, or at least THAT bad. I even think that TTMD was a pretty solid album with summer vibes and the hate it got was mainly because of it being so overwhelmingly popular. Not a big fan of Mainstream Sellout btw, even though the feature with Oli is a banger. P.S. If someone will try to tell my how much of a uneducated poser I am and how shitty my music taste is I'll just say that most of the music I listen to is metal and my favorite bands rn are Invent Animate, Currents and Dayseeker

[@beamertoy]

MGK will forever be a style biter to me. And instead of humbling himself and giving shout outs to the artists that put the trap punk sound on the map, he pretends like he's original. he's not. There are those who respect him because of his success, and those who let the art be the driving force. I'm certainly not one to be a fan simply for how deep they lined their pocket. That ain't punk

[@birdsteak9267]

If people knew what Punk is, they would laugh at the idea of Pop Punk that came in the 2000s. It is always more POP then actually Punk, the reason it is called punk is because Punk use simple straight forward riff, with power cords and even at that, it is difficult to even compete with the more popular stuff from the 70s which actually did have an edge to it, 2000 up always sounded off to me, both artistically and creative, but how much substance can we get from Middle-Class High-Schooler's that have literally no experience to speak of? So it is understandable.

[@minismalls3096]

His entire persona is from lil peep anyway

[@beamertoy]

@@birdsteak9267 punk energy can always be felt, even in the newer sounds. I guess it comes from an appreciation to older sounds also, but for the impression that it gave young artists. For me it means taking a risk in doing what you love without influence of opinion. It's pure high chaotic energy that isn't watered down for easy consumption. Which is what the 2000s mostly was, sadly. I think media has strayed from the mainstream to where you can now find new and talented artists every day. When people ask me what artists I listen to, they'll never know who I'm talking about lol

[@lilxcrement4202]

I'm an MGK fan and would agree he held the L on the Em beef and his latest single is ass and uninspired I was very disappointed in the weak lyrics and same ol same ol pop punk music structure. I actually liked the lyrics in a few of his songs from Tickets to My Downfall and loved the album but he's just so damn full of himself and can't take criticism.

[@ergoth154]

340 million views on KZbin, 172 million views on Spotify and a diss track response from Eminem, creating tons of publicity and name recognition. It's definitely not an L, and I would say Killshot by Eminem is the better diss but Rap Devil is an infinitely better song.

[@Zimuahaha]

I'd say I'm an MGK fan too, and I actually really like how he riles up all of the "old school", close-minded rockers. I don't love ALL of his songs, but he has a few that I have on constant rotation on my playlist.

[@Dru_Won]

I honestly think he could be kinda trolling people w this new single. I mean a Collab with willow fucking Smith on a song called "emo girl" with the most basic lyrics and structure possible? Him and Barker knew damn well how many people would be talking shit and saying they hate it. But his fanbase sticks with him and a song like that still attracts more young kids. But I wouldn't be surprised if his new album is better than Downfall

[@Masked_SVincent]

I mean it’s kinda hard to take criticism when the first somebody does is diss you. If Corey wanted to give him advice he should’ve been mature about it. Instead he’s acting like a butt hurt child because Mgk dissed back after he was rude first. I can’t think of a single person who’s going to take advice after you talk shit or make fun of them. I know I sure as hell wouldn’t (because why would I if the first thing you did was insult me?) If you’re gonna teach then fucking teach.

[@nourhansaid4135]

When didn’t he take the criticism, just curious. Because as I remember he acknowledged that some fans don’t like his evolution and his new music. He said he reads the comments and very much aware of it and it hurts his feelings but he respect it because It makes him better and would appreciate if people give him the chance to do what he wants thou

[@abbynormalcurio9433]

I absolutely love this dialogue. Thank you for sharing this! I've been in the goth subculture for a little under a decade now, and the values have a lot of overlap within the overall rock sphere. What is really valued within the goth scene are intelligence & education (many people within the scene are highly educated and hold multiple degrees in a wide range of fields), creativity, authenticity, "finding beauty in darkness" as a philosophy, and respecting the rock on which goth was "born" (depressed looking collage kids in DIYed thrifted clothing whining about how much they love Morrissey and Robert Smith lol - I'd be a hypocrite if did not admit my own vices here haha). Something very interesting about the goth subculture is how much it intersects with queer culture as well. Many queer people (trans friends, NB friends, Bi and gay friends, Drag performs) fit right in and feel a sense of comfort and safety within this group. When Baby Goth "came on the scene" very many people within the scene got extremely angry and hateful towards this woman. I still view her as industry plant, trying to invade a place where she clearly had no authority to authenticate herself as "goth" when she was posing with weapons and drugs. Is there a place for hip hop and rap in goth? Yes and no... it all depends upon how you assimilate to the culture and norms. Baby Goth failed miserably because the industry she was planted by had no sense to understand what "goth" is outside of KILLSTAR. Aesthetic does equal comprehension of values. Basically if you act like a creepy ass regardless of gender or sexual orientation, you are booted from the club or server you are on. There are a lot of great artists & groups such Skinny Puppy who implements elements of Hip Hop (Industrial; not exclusively a "goth" thing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIm3Z36ojZKDfJY) OhGr from SP has employed similar techniques in his own work. I think these elements being combined with goth are extremely healthy to the subculture growth and well-being. I'm sick and tired of people claiming that "Oh! Goth is dying!". No! It's not! We just had a major post-punk revival during the 2010- now, continuing. And Artists/ Bands such as Drab Majesty, She Passed Away, Daughters, Have a Nice Life, VOWWS and Gile Corey are helping to change that portion of the landscape. These groups are respected because they maintain the essence of goth. That is where hip hop/ rap influence is kind of falling short at the moment. I'm open to people learning and sharing different perspectives. That why I enjoy the new group of "E-kids" because its a new sub group of counterculture, which should be more respected for what it is. Still these kids are not really goth, sorry E-children. I'm excited to see the influence of sound-cloud rap "goth boys/ girls" impact and how this may change things. Hopefully they'll have a far more positive influence that stays true to goth values without erasing the roots importance. :)

[@richardaubrecht2822]

I had to google what Baby Goth is. Second thing google suggested was "Baby Goth industry plant".

[@assassin8636]

I can't tell if this op comment is complaining or not

[@cellula2302]

If the value of rock is mostly in tradition, it means that our music has really lost a lot of its power to challenge minds and society. And I say that while still thinking MGK is disalligned with our subculture

[@ashergibson9969]

To an extent, I agree, but I also think those values are going under significant changes right now. Think about all the elitists who are pissed of at BMTH for cross-pollinating with different artists and genres - orchestral music, EDM, pop, hip hop, pop punk etc. They're pissed, but the band is more successful than it's ever been. And they're not the only ones playing around with new sounds in the rock genre. I feel like tradition has been a core value in rock and metal, but that those values are changing and we're in the midst of a tussle for dominance. So yeah, I have hope that rock and metal will hold good sway to influence wider culture over the next few years. It's just a case of band, artists and fans getting to grips with what exactly they want to say

[@pAWNproductionsDE]

This was a pretty well-constructed analysis. I checked out some of his punk album before starting the video. Even though I'm not a fan of the genre, it's honestly not bad, and the comments are quite positive too. Not to mention he's actually said some things about rock that I agreed with. So if someone is putting out solid music and is still hated, it's probably not the music that's earning the hate

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

On what points do you agree with MGK? I'm genuinely curious because other than my brother, who adores him, I can't find any positive opinions about him.

[@Enderghost25]

@@Iyashikei-t4u yeah I'm lost on why the youth look up to people like him like it's obvious he's a douchey person, and that should be common sense for even for a child. This whole douce bag influence being put on children just disgusts me, guess that makes me a Karen lmao

[@samanthadavis2892]

MGK has always been rude and cringe ever since his prime in his rap days he never has respect. I think its due to how he was raised.

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

@@Enderghost25 just so you know I'm not the biggest fan of his personality but I did ask out of genuine curiosity. After all even an asshole lime him can have a point sometimes. No need to talk shit here.

[@yolemdreams4093]

@@Iyashikei-t4u im a mgk fan and honestly to me personally other than liking his music I like him because he doesn't give a shit I know that sounds bad but I guess it inspires me a little that no matter what he sticks to his guns and doesn't back down or change his opinion even if sometimes it's a shitty one. but thats just me and I know its a shitty opinion but again thats just me mabye other people differ.

[@neppy6319]

I will say this. Growing up in the Cleveland area and being around the same age of him. I saw him going to shows at Peabody's and other shit. Even talk to him a few times. And he knew the middle grade punk bands like a minor threat, the distillers, etc. Those punk bands that are one or two steps pass pop punk.

[@bigsway7062]

I grew up on the east side. 125th and kinsman. #1 he was not born in Cleveland. 2 he’s from shaker while it is a Cleveland suburb it’s definitely not the east side like he claims. 3. He got his ass handed to him and ran to a safe alternative

[@feastorafamine]

Trashing minor threat for realz?

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@bigsway7062 Nobody said he was born in Cleveland, but he lived there during his formative years. Yes, he lived with his dad in Shaker Heights while he was in high school but then he got kicked out and lived on the east side with Slim. He didn't get his ass handed to him according to a lot of people, and if you know so much about him, then you know he's always had elements of rock in his music. He also hasn't left rap so your theory is falling apart. You can make anything sound like something bad if you leave out enough facts. He represents Cleveland, always, and has done a lot of good for the city. He recently paid for thousands of free meals from a bunch of mom and pop restaurants. You don't have to like him - nobody cares - but let's be truthful about the good things he's done, too.

[@feastorafamine]

@@ShellyMS19xx know this. Even madder respect that his hometown is where his babygirl is born Repping that EST 4 rlz Clap clap for Kells Shouting out it out now CLE to here LA, #CaliLove

[@feastorafamine]

@klijakuarikki are you still talking? Again you're young enough to be my son. I'll take musical cultures and generations for 5K Alex. Ay Wheezy Silence . (✷‿✷) Ay Ay Ay

[@Hubabuba258]

Great point about sharing certain values! MGK is not the first rapper who ventured into the rock area, Cypress Hill for example are generally liked within the rock & metal community. Ice-T also created the metal/hardcore group Body Count and never heard anyone shit on them (different degree of fame, I know).

[@20th_century_Ghost]

I actually made a similar point to a friend's sister, how Rock & Hip-Hop culture have completely different motivations behind their art and MGK is basically a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.

[@Stvlw7bxnow]

This was great! I thought your analysis was so on point. When MGK dissed Slipknot onstage, I thought pretty much what you explained; that he simply didn't understand he had a different audience now. He was likely just behaving the way he always had in rap culture, which was always received positively, and he was probably surprised by the negative reaction from the audience. He made a faux pas lol I also always thought people disliked him because he wasn't virtue signaling the right things to his rock album's target audience. You explained this so well in your video. I appreciate your explanation 🙏🏻 Personally I'm a big fan of MGK. In many of his interviews he comes across as a genuine person and actually quite vulnerable. It makes him relatable. But yeah, I think the reason many people dislike him is because he's not fully adjusted to rock subculture.

[@shroomshroom5945]

Lol I don't think a fake ass blaceent is very genuine at all

[@BeerCityBandit]

Actually, the "beard is weird" comment was a reference to a line from one of Eminem's songs where he said "Can't leave rap alone, the game needs me 'Til we grow beards, get weird and disappear." So basically he was implying it's time to disappear. Pretty clever, honestly, but he definitely lost the battle. "Kill Shot" was a surgical dissection of "Rap Devil" and MGK as a whole.

[@justice19xx31]

Em did rebuttal really well but that's all he really did was rebuttal and flip lines piggy backing off of mgk. Didn't really bring any new points to the argument where mgk did say things that made us question his credibility like calling his label asking for a public apology which is kind of hypocritical considering the amount of people hes made fun of over the years even under age girls. Overall I think it was good for both parties and mgk is more relevant then other dispite what people would like you to think about his career dying

[@charliet.sanford2495]

I don’t know enough about the guy to have an opinion. I’ve heard some of his rap and didn’t think it was terrible. I heard a little from his pop punk album and didn’t think that was terrible either. But neither of his styles really blew my skirt up. I can say that as a non-fan of MGK, I bet if I met him, I’d probably be able to find some common ground and get along with the guy. To address everyone giving him shit about the “your beard is weird” line. I actually thought it was kinda genius. He was referencing a line in a deep cut Eminem song that says, “Until we grow beards, get weird and disappear…” It’s from the song “Business” on The Eminem Show. Listen to the whole track for context. I think it was a good call out from MGK. That being said, Eminem’s diss track was far superior.

[@brandonlatus2218]

Mgks diss was trash

[@ShellyMS19xx]

@@brandonlatus2218 Always counting on Brandon to spread the MGK hate. He's an expert in the area.

[@ryanr5139]

You always nail a very respectful socio-cultural commentary, even though you and I are likely to not agree on a lot personally. I think you have a great understanding and way of articulating class and subcultures in the context of liberal capitalism.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you!

[@noahtaylor2673]

I don’t know Mgk as a person so I can’t really judge him, but as far as his public persona goes, act like an asshole = get treated like an asshole.

[@TheWhaleblubber101]

my thoughts on mgk as a fan: i do love his new style of music, but his main setback has been his attitude. he was doing somewhat okay during ticket to my downfall, i think the success of his album and a new relationship and sobriety helped his mental state but he has regressed HARD. he's very aggressive and even more so now that he's back on hard drugs and it's obvious. he needs to grow up, and i do wish him the best. i have never dealt with drug addiction so i cant fathom what he goes through, but his team needs to reign him in and get him help.

[@vincentnguyen7271]

it’s really hard tbh. you kind of feel stuck like there’s no escape. also doesn’t help that half the world hates him

[@TheWhaleblubber101]

@@vincentnguyen7271 yeah for sure, people always forget addiction is a disease, its not him choosing to act a certain way because he's thinks its funny.

[@TheEclecticBeard]

Since before he was signed by Diddy, with videos of him performing live which included playing the guitar, mashed with his in your face personality, I was honestly surprised it took him so long to do the punk rock cause that was the vibe he always gave off. I like all types of music and thought that he was a punk with rapping skills. So while his personality is a bit crazy and grating, him making rock or punk rock, at least to me is not a surprise and looks more natural for him than rap just because of his personality. He didn't have to change genres, he put out rap after Hotel Diablo (That album sucked) that sounded better than Diablo. AS far as the beef, Corey Taylor completely started that sounding like the old man on the lawn. Dude might be punk but he come from the rap game so someone claps, you clap back. Don't really understand the butthurt over it. Corey Taylor took a clear shot at him and wasn't exactly respectful. You get what you give.

[@bobbysmitty1628]

You have some valid points. I agree with a lot of what you said. He even mentioned Kurt Cobain in his Wild Boy song. People just don't pay close attention to details. MGK's transition makes sense to me. He also has an anarchy symbol tattooed on his body lol. Punk is an attitude. MGK is punk by attitude.

[@samanthadavis2892]

Given what corey taylor put on twitter about the way corey was asked to be on the album. Travis barker was sent in as the middle man because MGK didn't wanna ask himself then continues to reject what corey did then try to ghostwrite for corey to make him sing MGK's verse. Probably more things were said and done behind the scenes that brung that beef to light we just don't know about it. MGK not all that bad tho he just rude at times which rubs people the wrong way like what he did on the BET red carpet.

[@AscensionUSA]

Nah. MGK went after both em and corey taylor first. You don't go into the rap scene and diss someone as respected as eminem, and you don't go into the rock scene and diss someone like corey taylor. He was just salty that corey didn't want to do a feature on his song, and once you start beef with corey taylor, he isn't exactly going to be nice. Don't get me wrong, MGK has so much musical potential - i loved Lace Up because M shadows from a7x was on there. But you can't be so arrogant to respected members of the scene and expect to get away with it. In the last few years MGK has lost a lot of credibility in the music scene. doesn't matter what he comes out with, people will only see a disrespectful c*nt in him until he turns around his damn attitude.

[@samanthadavis2892]

@@AscensionUSA I agree MGK tired to son Corey Taylor by writing a verse for him and rejecting the original verse he sent MGK corey taylor heard it and said no cause it was trash to him. I cant even imagine corey on tickets to my downfall weird feature. As for the eminem beef as a fan of eminem the one thing I know is that he loves his daughter and MGK crossed the line so you get the smoke from em.

[@AscensionUSA]

@@samanthadavis2892 yeah. You dont go after eminems daughter, thats just asking for it lol

[@MrKeppenre]

Thank you for your consistent honesty Finn. It’s so refreshing listening to your perspective. Keep making videos my friend.

[@evolutionated1125]

We've gone a long way with people calling Slipknot legends when in 00s people were calling them nu-metal trash and derivative with a stolen gimmick

[@crystalstar4001]

To be fair, after Lace Up he released a mixtape named after Black Flag. MGK then went on to join Linkin Park in live performances. The rock/punk influence has always been there.

[@m3talh3adr3born8]

The influence may have always been there. But maybe it's because he spent too long within the rap community, I truly don't know. But what works within the rap community doesn't work with the rock community, especially when it comes to the fans and that's where he is going wrong I think

[@jacobpotter2237]

@@m3talh3adr3born8 uh it obviously works. Both of his rock albums went number one.

[@MegaDeath22]

I hate MGK number one, I loved him as a rapper. I waited 3 hours at his concert for him to come on and he performed for 30 mins. Literal bullshit in my opinion. He’s a follower, there’s nothing creative or original about him. Honestly and people get so upset I compare him to him, but Ghostemane did the genre hopping flawlessly and he’s way more talented then MGK could ever dream of being. Rant over.

[@thomashatter]

MGK isn’t even a fraction of the level of creative that Ghostemane is. Their musical influences speak for themselves

[@MegaDeath22]

@@thomashatter it’s so true!!!!

[@TheWordsmythe]

This idea about rock tradition and respect for elders is wild to me. I don't think you're wrong, but I also was brought into especially punk as built around a core (but often vaguely defined) ideology--of earnestness, punching up at old systems, and democratizing music. But then I'm an easy mark for ideology.

[@DaveKillebrew]

"Rock works differently than rap. Rap has always had a culture of competition and beef since the very beginning and rock just really isn't like that." Probably some of the most insightful words I've heard from this channel. It really makes you think about all the violence, specifically shootings that take place in the rap community and among avid listeners of rap music. You just don't get that kind of violence, especially over petty beef in the rock community. I work as a journalist and cover a lot of crime. We're talking like 1 or 2 or 3 or more shootings every weekend. The vast majority of violent crime and shootings I've covered is in communities where rap is probably the dominant genre of music. It's a sad part of a subculture that needs serious addressing. I would never have thought music or media has an overwhelming influence on violent crime the way people tried to put on Marilyn Manson in the 90s... but with some of the real life topics that turn into real life beef and at times real life shootings that we see from this crowd, it's clear some rap music is having a heavily negative impact on society. It's much more common than some lunatic listening to Cannibal Corpse and murdering his family. And I'm definitely not saying music is a single factor in these cases because there's clearly a lot more at play. But it is definitely a problem within a subculture.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

I can tell you don’t know what your talking about

[@m3talh3adr3born8]

Video games cause violence too 🙄🙄

[@DaveKillebrew]

@@tyronechillifoot5573 just because you like rap music doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I've actually stood in court and watched as attorneys used an underground gang rap video some kid made as evidence against him where he literally sang about a murder he had committed.

[@DaveKillebrew]

@@m3talh3adr3born8 I'm not saying any type of music *causes* violence and video games don't cause violence. But they both can certainly be influencing factors. Gangster rap has a much more influencing tone about it than.

[@hadara69]

@@DaveKillebrew I appreciate your perspective, especially giving “Cannibal Corpse” a pass (I’m a fan!), HOWEVER I think this is a bit of a “Causation/Correlation” fallacy. Just like urban minorities are demonized by the (racist) RW in America, rap fans can be as well. The majority are poor, black kids where as the majority of rock fans are middle-class white kids. Of course there’s going to be more violence/crime among the former group. This is the specious reasoning racist RWers always make about black folks (and Hispanics like me); Claiming their propensity for a violent lifestyle and shitty coping skills is down to their race/culture ("Where are the fathers?!") rather than their environment and/or unimaginably fucked up life circumstances. I can tell you that everyone is susceptible to those pitfalls where extreme poverty and desperation are concerned. Rap has always been a reflection of that world, where as Metal/HR (of which I’m a lifelong fan) have been a reflection of a fantasy world full of “witches, warlocks, and demons”, etc. BIG difference. I have no doubt that you think you’ve seen a legit “causation” there but I think the stats would disagree with you.

[@bernadotte9841]

I love Slipknot, but Corey Taylor is such a boomer dude, it makes it harder to respect someone who's just made of piss and vinegar and constantly shits on anything that's new.

[@prophetsatirical8946]

I feel like that’s always been Corey’s MO though. It was just more endearing to his fans when Slipknot was still breaking on to the scene.

[@dragonfistX200]

to be fair to corey, MGK does everything wrong to get in the wrong foot of a genre whether its rap or rock

[@legoshi5925]

Precisely lol, also it’s so funny how he talked about the state of rock being stale and stuff in 2020, and then a couple months later released the most bland, generic, WWE-core dad rock album of all time

[@n3nt2nd464]

Success can go to anyone's head, and when your as big as Corey Taylor, makes sense that he would develop a swell head

[@markjames8664]

I’m not too annoyed about him dissing MGK, but dissing on all new rock artists is lame-most likely he hasn’t listened to enough new music.

[@TwoGunToast]

Ended up working a MGK show in Laughlin awhile back. His whole set was an obnoxious amount of Hot Pink. Im talking lighting truss, drum riser, stage props, all of it covered in pink. Saw him walking around backstage with his arm around *not* megan fox too

[@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs]

Lol, "not Megan Fox" 😂

[@GonzoCiosain]

Was he by any chance pouring ice cream toppings into a 40 or hitting a building with a hammer?

[@pepcorampouch4787]

I feel like its slipknots status as being legends, being cool dudes who went through some really deep shit and came out on the other side as better ppl. About the ride, the way and the years behind them that made them great, lovable, respactable human beings and for the fans absolutely amazing artists plus they were bigger 10 years ago than MGK ever was and prolly ever will be due to the message they were sending. For example I member the song "Disasterpiece" and it starts with theres 2 lines: "I want to slit your throat and fuck the wound". Some ppl may be grossed out by this, even traumatized, but the song is about bullying and hes sain it in the context "I am screamin in my bullies face and this is what I have to say". Plus if you ever been bullied and know how it feels, ya? Those two lines about describe it, almost perfectly in its pure, raw form. The way you would experience that hate, those feelings, those urges, he aint givin no fuck, no censorhip no nothing, he straight up fuckin tells you at the beggining all you need to know abou him, how he feels, and how that song is gonna go. MGK? He always has some alterior motive, you never know what hes up to, most rock and metal ppl are clean, they just wanna live their live, do music, get better at it, deliver better and keep on doin what they love. I feel like this aint the strongest drive for MGK, that he has other more materialistic drives and that is the main difference for me between them... MGK has many amazing songs, but I dont care for them becouse I dont care for the pedigree used to create them.

[@jbk19xx57]

I was a huge fan of MGK in my late teens and what drew me to him was the wild energy he brought with him. I kind of grew out of this phase shortly after his second album but I still respected even up till now. Whatever route he takes, I wish him well.

[@daniellehall5526]

I can tell you’re a real one by your username lol

[@jbk19xx57]

@@daniellehall5526 HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for noticing, you’re a real one for noticing. Real recognise Real.

[@TheDrunkLawyer]

This is exactly how I feel. EXACTLY.

[@justice19xx31]

Double X we the hardest

[@jbk19xx57]

@@justice19xx31 Right On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@geekyloser8652]

Machine Gun Kelly is the Vanilla Ice of the rock world. Prove me wrong!!!

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@Retared Rootbeer. Vanilla Ice is so much better, he even put out a couple Nu-Metal albums. MGK is the Justin Bieber of the “Rock” world.

[@ogvelociraptor205]

That's an insult to Vanilla Ice

[@mg-ThisHandleIsSoStupid]

Yup, with a little Chad Kroeger (Nickelback) thrown in there.

[@ICP1SBJ]

If Suge Knight hadn't have hung Vanilla Ice upside down off a hotel balcony I think Ice would've changed hip hop before EM came along. Ice ran from hip hop too soon because of Suge. People say EM brought rap to the mainstream but Ice did it first

[@geekyloser8652]

@@nu-metalfan2654 true definitely true

[@Fawllam]

MGK did bring back the ''SUPERSTAR'' vibe to this music style. From being front page of famous magasine ( with Megan Fox ) , to selling his one brand.

[@pablofmc]

Also, rockstars have been VERY mild after fred durst, no one wants to offend and many just want to be neutral. No actual badass rockstars anymore

[@derfgerps4016]

No he didn’t no one over 16 thinks he’s a superstar lmao this is the funniest shit I’ve read all week.

[@Fawllam]

@@derfgerps4016 all the people liking my comment say otherwise 😂

[@nbielecki100]

@FlagrantDefiance But yet he defines the term Rockstar more than anyone in rock. Name anyone in modern rock that fits the term better and has the success to back it up.

[@brandonlatus2218]

@@nbielecki100 he will never be a rockstar lay off the crack real rockstar Corey taylor disagrees saying he failed in 1 genre and decided to go pop he’s a shitty failed rapper he will never be a rockstar or rock

[@jivanshc6279]

But as far as I know the Rap Industry does not respect MGK at all since the Em beef. He did do a lot of damage.

[@dudeno3182]

When he released Hotel Diablo after the beef with Em, the biggest single BY FAR was "I think I'm okay" ft Travis Barker & Yungblud. Considering he's always been into rock/pop-punk or whatever and the success of that song, ofc he's gonna ride that wave going forward.

[@shaungomez9898]

MGK does do a lot of legitimate rock through his guitar, it's his physical attitude and his behavior that counts that people dislike.

[@tdoggydog124]

*MGK listens to “I Love Rock n Roll” once* MGK: I am Rock n Roll

[@projectno5]

ok finn, i got a question for your next Q&A video related to this one that i think could be an interesting talking point. you mention the culture, values and norms of rock music in this video in regards to MGK and i was curious. what do you think the difference between MGK talking shit on corey taylor vs. what a lot of the grunge bands used to say about the hair metal bands in the early 90's? is it because the grunge bands were seen as a welcome change from what came before? is it because the grunge bands kinda had more of an underdog status? is it because grunge still had respect for 70's rock and punk? at this point, the trlcore flavor of pop-punk is as old now as the 70's rock and punk that the grunge bands took influence from. i'm just curious what you think about this.

[@gypsygypsy2551]

-everyone hates mgk -literally hate everything he ever produced until this new album -become a fan feels good to be a chad

[@zdravkodimitrov3016]

Nah, As an MGK fan since 2011 myself I can say that Eminem won and was not even close. Everything else you state is completely true. If you go back as early as 2013, all his live concerts were filled with rock renditions of his original songs. Electric guitars, drums, a whole live band, he made awesome cover of Limp Bizkit at one point. Back in 2017 he was opening up for Linkin Park, made an awesome duet with Chester on stage and later took part in his memorial. If I can say so myself MGK was always more rock than hip hop. All the pop shit he did were mostly cash grabs, his essence was alwaays more like the early 2000s rock scene. He is kind of a child brain when it comes to speaking publicly aka defending himself, but I think he just needs a better PR agent.

[@ShellyMS19xx]

The problem is he won't listen to a PR agent - he speaks for himself. That's good and bad. I just hope that he continues to mature and come to recognize that you don't have to say everything that crosses your mind.

[@Enderghost25]

Good video Finn, I was more on the hate side of MGK, but now you've made me have more respect for him and not hate on him like a complete normie. Your channel has really helped me change as a person which is crazy, thank you for all the good insight and wisdom on all your videos. :)