This is Why Lobotomy is the Worst Surgery in History

[@mischarowe]

It's disgusting how simply being related to someone could give you the authority to lobotomize them.

[@reidecember]

Agreed. I mean look at the Kennedy's, they did that to one of their own.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@reidecember A person could see what happened to them as karma - at least karma for Joe Kennedy anyways, that prick was evil incarnate, at least the British royal family just hid their embarrassments from sight like poor Prince John rather than labotomising them.

[@snoopygonewilder]

It was pretty bad, someone in your family could just not like you, or get mad at you for anything and they could have you locked up in a mental institution (mainly father, mother, husband, or even a brother) No one tested you to make sure you actually needed any treatment at all, never mind being institutionalized for the rest of your life. A husband could just be tired of his wife and have her put away with a few lies no one bothered to verify.

[@andrewhinson4323]

whats more disgusting is how the intellectual arrogance of the psychologists and doctors enabled this kind of monstrosity... but then they were also many of the same people who created the ideas that would go on to inspire the nazi final solution...

[@mischarowe]

@@andrewhinson4323 The people who pushed for lobotomies weren't actually experts in the field. They were showmens. They were NOT intellectuals. Not like what you're complaining about.

[@chivalryalive]

I suffer epilepsy and, besides medication, lobotomies are sometimes offered. The neurologists can narrow down the troubled part of the mind where the siezure stems from.... But they still end up removing that entire portion of the mind! My family and I investigated the possibility but discovered through testing that the procedure would have messed up too many of my other abilities to make it seem allowable. Now we control my seizures with advanced medications and I have been safe for over 20 years.

[@Mr.CreamCheese69]

There's a lot of stuff coming out therapy wise for epilepsy, this may sound taboo but there's research showing low dose psilocybin (low enough where there's no trip) has been used successfully in treating epilepsy.

[@calebmeyerrr9937]

Has cbd ever helped

[@_q0wOp]

Stay safe brother 😘

[@chivalryalive]

@@calebmeyerrr9937 Never have tried.... Fortunately, I have been 'cured' with the new prescription meds. 🙂

[@Bibibosh]

The government would be respected if they respected the wishes of humanity !

[@nilzerYT]

I feel really bad for Howard and rosemary. They both ended up in terrible conditions. Actually, I feel bad for all lobotomy patients. I’m glad that surgery was banned.

[@CELESTINOXZ]

Bro me too that shit looks scary and they didn’t deserve that man I mean Howard lost his mother it could make you sad and get angry sometimes he just needed people or friends and Rosemary aw man 😢

[@GazB85]

It maybe banned in the US but it's not everywhere.

[@michaelknight5295]

An icepick to the brain? I would hardly call this a "surgery". I'm just going to call it an "assault". Yes I feel bad for all those who were the victim of this legalized assault in america.

[@DeportedRussian]

Well it was good for the really mentally ill people

[@marissaalbert3426]

Not banned, just highly regulated now. It's ab actual procedure used in some extreme cases of epilepsy. Also used for certain types of tumor removal.

[@jgruen1066]

My aunt was given a lobotomy... She never reached learning past a certain age (12 I think), was gang raped (in her teens) and ran off with a man (who basically kidnapped her and got her pregnant, again while in her teens). So they gave her a lobotomy. She was not better for it. In fact she soon became a ward of the state and was put on so so many medications. Brakes my heart because I know a better person is inside and can't get out.

[@BruhLordRBLX]

what

[@russianinvader3207]

@@BruhLordRBLXBruh.

[@StefaniaM-gx8sx]

@@BruhLordRBLX useless reaction to a heavy personal story

[@rat._crustzz]

that last line is so true.

[@eddysegafan6655]

Utterly heartbreaking

[@ComicalRealm]

So, in short, all Lobotomy did was reducing aggressive yelling mental patients into quite vegetable-like patients. Much easier to handle, but not cured at all.

[@YusuphYT]

So in short, the same as most antipsychotics but rather than* using biochemical stimulation to emulate unnatural brain activity, physical damage was used instead.

[@funjoyknowledge3304]

True man . It's true even todate capitalists dont want emotional humans they want vegetables

[@justeunfan3364]

@@funjoyknowledge3304 there is nothing about capitalisme, just about not making people suffer uselessly. A psycho will hurt himself if not other people, is he is sleeping with medication its better for everyone, until we find a real way to heal them.

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

@@funjoyknowledge3304 so do communists.

[@Mr.CreamCheese69]

Basically similar to taking a baseball bat to someone's head until they aren't moving anymore. Kinda not medical in the least lmao

[@catherinebirch2399]

I was placed in an adolescent unit for school phobia at the age of 13. It was like being in an open prison. My belongings were searched when I arrived, and I was regularly forced to take high doses of medication that knocked me out. If I'd been born 10 years earlier I've no doubt that I could have been subjected to a lobotomy. Young people in these places have no human rights whatsoever.

[@Vlad2319]

What's bad is it's still not much better in some places

[@mattmammone2338]

In one facility, their computers went down, and I was denied medication as were Everyone else on the unit. I was there voluntarily but I had a seizure,which as frightening because I knew it was coming. They finally overrode the system to give me medication, but for hours all evening and until the next morning it was bad. People became violent and were restrained when they normally would be given their meds! In second s the place went from 2019 to 1950.

[@pixility5612]

School phobia? Didn’t know there was such a thing until now. I’ve read about it and I’m pretty convinced I’ve had it before. There was a period in my life, where I was faking being sick (not always but I’ve done it way too often). I probably did it like once a week at least, ESPECIALLY on days where I had PE. Now I have been diagnosed with social anxiety and generalized anxiety, so the whole school thing might’ve been one of the reasons as to why I developed those disorders. They never treated me like that though… I just get anti-depressant’s for my anxiety and I’ll be going to a special school where they know how to handle kids with anxiety, adhd, autism, Etc. It disturbs me to know that some people get treated like prisoners bc of something like that… Hope your doing good now though.

[@NightinGal89]

Whats school phobia? I think everyone hates school

[@catherinebirch2399]

@@NightinGal89 It's an extreme aversion to going to school.

[@misty8265]

It's disturbing to know that if I were dealing with my current mental illnesses just a few decades earlier, I would have likely been lobotomized.

[@renees1021]

So would most teenage girls and then the unhappy wives would get it once hubby had enough.

[@triliner254]

Honestly considering how "weird" I was seen as, I wouldnt be surprised if i got lobotomized had the procedure not been banned.

[@skydaddyschild]

same. scary as hell

[@CraigFactsareFacts]

@@triliner254 Is this Joe Biden..?

[@seriejohnson698]

Very disturbing

[@crepe_loaf]

So this is basically a surgery that kills your soul, and leaves you with just a shell. Your body is still functioning, but you are no longer there. Personality, memories, interests, things that make you unique, other than your appearance are gone. Honestly this fate is worse than dying

[@FacelessBillions]

Induced alzheimer

[@Ablequerq]

That's psychiatry for you son.

[@suzancharlton]

Yes, it's like the spirit leaves the body

[@NAlvazaz]

It is. I wrote of my personal story in comments when I met a woman who had gotten the procedure done. Although the lady knew her sisters name, she wasn't animated almost like a woman with dementia except that she knew her sister's name. She just wasn't there anymore. It was tragic to say the least. The woman had been a school teacher prior to that and now she was almost a human vegetable (not as bad as a person with full blown dementia but functioning similarly).

[@mariaandrobertmitchell2207]

meh

[@pheoticprivate]

I'm not usually bothered by things, but the lobotomy really gets under my skin. A lot of people were in fact still conscious while undergoing the procedure. In Denmark, the last lobotomy was performed in 1987. My mom was 24 at the time, and the thought that she, statistically speaking, could have had a lobotomy, is disturbing.

[@sallymj8957]

I think they were conscious. I don’t think all were anesthetized or asleep..

[@chuckbeedle1983]

@@sallymj8957 you are not put to sleep electricity is run through you for a few min. then they do the proceedure. Its in humane. I had quite a number of shock treatments when i was young its horrible and even today alot of my past memory is gone. These old methods should never be repeated and the man got the pulitzer prize for this should be ashamed as well as the people who voted for him to receive it. They are going over it as they now realize this was inhumane and hopefully he looses his standing. The mental health folks back in the day did this for money and recognition not for the health of another. Today im doing quite well, away from the family that i thought loved me but in the end didnt. My heart and love goes out to these young people whom went through this.. The Kennedys were an aweful family .and i often wonder do we really pay for the sins of our fathers. For every young girl whom has had this done my heart loves you and im a grown woman now and i would never want this for anyone. Thanks for reading. Im using my hubbies computer :)

[@chuckbeedle1983]

its a horrid thing to happen to someone

[@palestar828]

I don't understand how someone could or would be conscious for that. I imagine that they would be screaming in pain and definitely trying to leave

[@NoMolechZoneLev]

@@palestar828 of course they were but ... Honestly I don't think these people were doctors at all just truly sick people hurting others

[@Maliceah]

I worked with a patient who was a victim of lobotomy. I w as told he had been given one because he was uncontrollably violent. When I knew him he was incredibly friendly and his speech was very slurred and slow, but he was a genius when it came to computing numbers. Who knows how much we lost as a society by the loss of this man's intellect and ability to communicate it?

[@bobosu5823]

b

[@lordblazer]

that's why I think Aliens forced it onto people with potential to change the world for the better. will make the invasion of 2056 much more difficult for them.

[@s0urpatchkiddo]

@@robertjensen1048 this is a really gross thing to say.

[@robertjensen1048]

@@s0urpatchkiddo Only because you haven't thought it out as much as I have.

[@s0urpatchkiddo]

@@robertjensen1048 no, you’re just a deplorable human being for saying this. you’re not edgy or cool for saying controversial and offensive things. not only was lobotomy unethical, it was horrifically dangerous too. there’s no way this method could’ve ever been precise enough to do it’s intended purpose 100% of the time, and it wasn’t. almost no one who’s had one survived it as well as this man. notice how i’m saying WELL despite it damaging his ability of speech. he’s one of the BEST case scenarios. my advice for you is to go outside, touch some grass, and maybe talk to some people.

[@chillingonthesofa]

correction, it was Howard Dully’s Stepmother. she was abusive to him, closing him off in his room and never telling him why. She hated him. She yelled at him often, and even went to the extent of closing him off from his stepsiblings. He did act out, but it was a result of abuse. His Lobotomy was a result of manipulation. His stepmother claimed she was afraid of him to a ridiculous extent, (which part of it may have been true, but it doesn’t excuse her treatment towards him.) His lobotomy was performed without his knowledge, and only weeks after the operation was completed, by Freeman himself I might add, did he find out about it. It permanently altered his mental state and it took him a while to get his life situated and turned around. Highly recommend his memoir, its a fantastic read.

[@VaivaPaula95]

would you mind sharing how the book is called?

[@snekki8153]

@@VaivaPaula95 its called "My Lobotomy"

[@VaivaPaula95]

@@snekki8153 thank you!

[@larsswig912]

all of this is there in the video lol.

[@snekki8153]

@@VaivaPaula95 no problem

[@Shrek4ever630]

My grandmother used to work in a mental hospital in ww2. She said she was was close friends with a 21 year old girl who seemed to be showing signs of getting back to normal. Like she had never laughed, smiled or talked since she came into the hospital and now she was finally doing it. One day she started screaming and crying on the floor in fetal position and scratching her skin out. The people decided to give her a lobotomy. The next time my grandmother saw her the girl just looked empty. Her eyes had nothing in there. She was also like a robot. She stared at my grandmother and waved and said “they said I am better now” with no emotion whatsoever. My grandmother quit that day.

[@NAlvazaz]

Yeah, that's' so tragic. :( Lobotomies were so cruel and inhumane.

[@krysivory493]

You missed some facts about Rosemary Kennedy, God, bless her soul. Upon her birth, the doctor was late. Her mother closed up her legs in order to prevent her from coming out of her. They literally pushed her head back in. The doctor arrived about 2 hours later. The lack of oxygen made her growth stunted since the day she was born. However, some people also believed that she might suffer ADHD or any other disorder that was not yet diagnosed back then. Her father is ashamed by her slow growth as compared to her other siblings who accomplish more things than her. His son's election pressured him further to "fix" her. He secretly signed her up for a lobotomy procedure. Nobody in the family knew about this horrifying event, and no, not even Rosemary herself knew what she was going under the knife for. The surgery failed and her mind regressed to a toddler. She spent decades in isolation from the rest of her family. Her father prohibited anyone from visiting her. He came up with many excuses to keep her away from his family. He never once visited her. They eventually found out about her condition and they became advocates for raising awareness on disabilities ever since.

[@kristina-oy3zs]

I read it was because the father was late and she wanted him there for the birth . Either way, so crazy

[@kaymuldoon3575]

You are correct. Joe Kennedy expected perfectionism in his children and since Rosemary was less than perfect (in his eyes), he wanted to put her away and hide her forever. So very sad. However, Rosemary had her lobotomy in 1941 and JFK was not elected into any public office until after WW2.

[@saida817]

So sad she was a victim since during birth

[@krysivory493]

@@kaymuldoon3575 Thank you for correcting me. I must've read the article wrong, then. It's a sad case either way. 🫂

[@MM-km5zf]

I read that some of her siblings (don't recall who) stopped talking to the dad for good; they were so upset over what he did to their sister : (....he cursed the family

[@warlorty]

Rosemary Kennedy’s lobotomy story is awful. In the middle of her lobotomy, the doctor asked her to sing as part of the test. One wrong move, she stopped singing and her dad shipped her off to a mental institution to hide her from public eye. The rest of her family didn’t even know what had happened to her because the father did all this, including the lobotomy, in secret.

[@askvideos1]

that's messed up

[@barneyronnie]

Joe Kennedy was a sociopath like many of his descendants...

[@ItsMe-ic7on]

@@barneyronnie back then anybody with money or clout tried to hide anybody in their family that was less than 100% perfect

[@davidandcookie7648]

He is surely burning in hell right now, or at least I hope so.

[@dawnburns880]

Wow.. Thats awful.. So sorry for Rosemary

[@ishadow6044]

Can you imagine how many parents back then may have feared their kids anger and that’s all it would take for them to have this happen to them? Even when their kids were probably no real threat to them. Better parenting could help avoid this. So Dark.

[@catherinebirch2399]

Nowadays unruly kids get drugged instead of lobotomies.

[@diegoolivares1081]

@catherine birch aahh yes, nothing better to control your children, that methamphetamine and opium

[@catherinebirch2399]

@@diegoolivares1081 Things haven't changed since I was a kid. When I was a teenager they used Largactyle and other tranquilizers to shut kids up.

[@sandraday6955]

yes because parents are forcing "the shot" on their kids right now.

[@lovely1641]

Scarily enough, I think those are the same parents who would object to a belt at all costs for disciplining their kids but wouldn't give this lobotomy a second thought to help with whatever troubles they were having with their kids

[@V-RADIO]

My grandfather I was named after was a war veteran with severe PTSD. This treatment was suggested for him and he researched it and begged them not to do it as he knew they didn't know what they were doing. He was taken against his will and this was done to him. He lived out his last days in a vegetative state.

[@kingofwishfulthinking2490]

Was he in a vegetative state immediately after the lobotomy?

[@CeeDeeLmao]

@@kingofwishfulthinking2490 dumbass

[@pheilimobrien6634]

Jesus, that's horrifying

[@hvnnahtq]

im so sorry for your loss.. his service is honourable and i hope he rests in peace 🙏

[@The.actual_rodger]

@@kingofwishfulthinking2490i think so

[@dannymartial7997]

Throughout history, the Nobel Prize has had the worst judgement calls for who deserved their prize.

[@getinthespace7715]

Obama got the Nobel peace prize while destabilizing the entire middle east, Libya, Syria, Egypt which lead to the formation of ISIS and ISIL, dropping so many bombs the US ran out, started a proxy war with Russia in Syria, Bombed a doctors without borders hospital in Africa... and so many more horrible things.

[@GreyEagle_35]

Amen

[@christergudmundsson7465]

Right!...Henry Kissinger... Yassir Arafat... hmmmm some murders on the list

[@lukespector5550]

Let's all root for Jack Vale, inventor of The Pooter!!!

[@Zenovarse]

It just tells you that the biggest positive impact on the world are made by assholes that you would murder if you knew them personally.

[@annawilliams5079]

It’s amazing that the man who was lobotomized at 12 years old not only survived, but was actually able to still function! He wrote a book with a severed brain! I am so sorry for him but so impressed by him. Not many can walk or talk like he can. Poor fellow, I wish him the best.

[@jolene7744]

It truly is amazing!! ♥️

[@smnewstead4093]

It's horrible, but actually not that interesting. The brains of children are extremely resilient to damage, due to being able to reroute and re-network the connections through other means (i.e. neuroplasticity). You can see this clearly in the cases of corpus callosotomy in severe, refractory epilepsy. They sever the two hemispheres. In children, the procedure results in almost no ill effects, but in adults, it is extremely detrimental to neurological function. This is also patent in cases of agenesis of the cerebellum; the kids learn some other way to balance and such, but in adults, they'll never walk again.

[@ryanblack2986]

Imagine how intelligent he would be if he hadn't had this barbaric surgery.

[@idk.man_]

Do u know the name of his book?

[@nandaamaharajh]

What’s the name of the book

[@leelourose2503]

I read that Rose Kennedy was lobotomized because as she grew older like most young women she was curious about men, wanted to date and socialize as her sisters did. Worried that she would cause a family scandal and ruin the families political aspirations her parents chose to have her "spayed" so she would behave. Nothing I read ever said she was violent. I think that was the story her parents told to keep the public from knowing that the Kennedys sacrificed one of their daughters to benefit their sons.

[@zwischenburkaundbikini2418]

It was not the parents decision, it was solely the father's. Joseph Kennedy did it behind his wife's back, the poor woman found out what happened to her daughter when it was to late. :(

[@zaynes5094]

@@zwischenburkaundbikini2418Oh please, while I agree that most end up being completely changed, it's also mostly truth that most of the lobotomies ended with the women never recalling their past lives. So, it's most likely that Rose Kennedy didn't remember any of her siblings or her father. There's a lot of weird happenings in that family and honestly, in some ways, maybe that's the Kennedy curse start when he chose to sacrifice her for the family's sake. Hmm. Never thought about it like that before. While they were all chasing politics, she was locked up and forgotten about in that family. And maybe it's true that she never truly even remembered her family.

[@StormOfMaat]

Ohh man!! I really used to admire the Kennedy family. My Mom told me about how she cried a lot after hearing of the death of former President J.F.K. via her transistor radio. Gee, I wonder if she has any idea what any male members of the Kennedy family were truly like, behind their closed doors...?

[@RusticRonnie]

@@zwischenburkaundbikini2418thats actually been proven to not be true, she signed the paperwork and was there when it happened

[@trafficjon400]

True! JFK Had a doctor fallow him every where he went giving him hourly Injections of Cortisol. JFK also took high doses of ADDERALL Because he needed stabilized Moods. He was an ADDISON'S DISEASE Patient . JFK Allmost Got America Nuked by the Russion brocade off the coast of Florida.

[@allys744]

Not only is lobotomy a frightening surgery that basically castrates a person’s nervous system, but it was used many times on mentally ill people who needed real help, but they didn’t know how else to treat them. I’m glad we’ve come a long way with medicine, especially with mental illnesses. But who knows just how many brilliant yet troubled people have been affected by this procedure.

[@Shiirow]

instead of a lobotomy, we give them twitter and starring roles on television and movies.

[@InkedAlice]

​@@poopyanalbumholetf do you mean, man?

[@mesasavage]

How far have we come? They do it with chemicals instead of a hunk of stainless steel these days.

[@Kinosis79]

We've come a long way? They just pump them full of drugs to make them vegetables now. Nothing has changed.

[@erictuffelmire6826]

@@mesasavage Yes they do. The chemicals permanently bind to receptor sites destroying those pathways. This is really no different than cutting the tissue in practical terms. The odd thing is most people don't seem to agree with that and doctors will gaslight their patients telling them their mental decline is due to the illness... the one they can't prove exist using any scientific process. Never mind that normal lab animals and healthy people have the same negative effects when given the drugs.

[@lupemaydon]

Lobotomy is scary. Having tantrums and and sometimes lashing out is part of being a human being. Instead of the patients, those doctors needed a lobotomy.

[@jason_kenner]

Well if the doctor's were given lobotomies. Then there would be no one to give the lobotomies. Except the person giving the lobotomies to the doctor's. Which by itself, the person giving the doctor's a lobotomy would be equivalent to the doctor's giving people lobotomies. It's an endless cycle, you see?

[@namjoonie936]

real shit. i feel so sad when i think about those put through this

[@janetduncan87]

So do the Elites who are running this country. They're the real nut cases and so was the Dr. Who created this monstrous act..

[@jason_kenner]

@@janetduncan87 Exactly!!

[@dimitridelafield4536]

It's called self control

[@pixility5612]

This honestly makes me so incredibly sad… Just because they didn’t “understand” people with autism or epilepsy, Etc. They treated them like absolute garbage.. And we still don’t get treated well enough in my opinion. Disorders are still being joked about, people are still getting bullied for being “different”, Etc. I’m glad it’s not as bad as then but still… People need to do better. Why do people think we are “different” though?? Different to you maybe, but we are still humans…

[@sherlockholmes9066]

Well said. They think we're different because of ignorance... How silly of them.

[@Uchigatana-MHFZZ]

In some cases people with epilepsy and autism cannot be treated the same way as 'normal/healthy' people, is as simple as that. Also, we joke about everything nowadays, from the silliest things to the most terrible happenings in history, another thing is that we actually mean it. Edit: Also, how much more 'well' do you want to be treated? Modern western countries have tons of laws against discrimination, specified research fields for autism and multiple disorders, (sometimes) forcing a certain way of building the streets so people with wheelchairs can go up... Please explain me.

[@Celatra]

@@Uchigatana-MHFZZ yes the laws exist, but they are anything but enforced. also i have autism, and i am a normal, healthy, even fairly fit person. so uh.

[@Uchigatana-MHFZZ]

@@Celatra By normal/healthy i meant, "perfectly healthy", which is pretty much the requirements for jobs like various branches of the army, police, firefighters... and to some extent construction sites and factories, so again, just as what happens with not only autism but literally any condition, not everyone can and should be treated equally in every aspect of life. Also good for you, I have seen other people with autism that struggle to do the slightest of things, so as what happens with many health conditions, it all depends on the severity/grade of it. And about the law, dont know where you live, but at least here in Spain, laws against discrimination (specially women...) are really damn strict, it just so happens most people who claim to be 'harassed' by employers dont really have the confidence to take the cases to court due to them knowing that is not really harasment but simply, not enough skill level for the job.

[@Celatra]

@@Uchigatana-MHFZZ bro. women here get touched and asked questions about pregnancy at their jobs and they get insulted and otherwise sexually harrassed aswell. most people who fall into ASD have no issues with the jobs you mentioned.

[@biljam972]

I bet that women who were forced to get lobotomy had nothing wrong with them, but just weren't "obedient and serving" enough for misogynistic society at the time. For example, Francis Farmer, her worst "crime" was that she was waaaay ahead of her time with women's rights. And she was severely abused by her own mother. That is why she was "sick" and doomed to have lobotomy which ruined her.

[@chidaluokoro9104]

damn

[@cynthiakeller5954]

My greataunt Maria had a lobotomy as a teen back in the 1910s. She was the first girl in a family of 9 children. As a very young child of about 5 she did hard difficult work that her mother should have been doing. By 8 she was given full responsibility of running the household. No running water, no electricity, no diapers, no store to buy groceries...and all done in the burning smothering South Texas heat. The boys didn't have to help her bc she was a female and that's what females did. Her mother spent her time in a darkened room in the back of the house popping out babies (fvck you Florencia). When she reached puberty, Maria's hormones kicked in and she started to question her lot. She was promptly institutionalized at South Presa where she further traumatized by the staff and lobotomized when she questioned authority. My mother would visit her and described her as sweet and that she loved bananas. My mother's cousin stated Maria died of a broken heart, insinuating she died bc her love wasn't reciprocated by a crush. No, Maria died in an insane asylum bc her pos parents and the attitudes of the misogynist society of the time. RIP Aunt Maria. You are not forgotten and your story has already been told to my granddaughter.

[@biljam972]

@@cynthiakeller5954 how horrible! This is the saddest and scariest thing that could happen to innocent young woman.

[@cynthiakeller5954]

@@biljam972 TY! Aunt Maria's family tried to brush her under the rug but my mom and her mouth told the truth. Mom was stunning and would not be ignored. Aunt Maria is having the last laugh!

[@biljam972]

@@cynthiakeller5954 society is horrible to women! Truth should be told.

[@ANONYMOUS_N4_LAP]

I remembered a quote where it said, "the world isn't round, nor is it a cube. Its ruined." The world IS ruined. Even if there were a same number of pure, kind-hearted souls as broken and rotten ones, it doesn't change the fact that its already been damaged, just like these poor victims. Let's hope that lobotomy never becomes legal ever again, because its giving me the memories of the brain surgery in Saw X.

[@mihalyharangi]

And it's not even mentioned in the video how much of the survivors of this procedure committed suicide. I can't even imagine how awful they felt.

[@xxboonisbadfortnitexx1549]

Yep

[@xxboonisbadfortnitexx1549]

True

[@chyscax]

Why

[@soulsnatcher5408]

The frontal lobe is the most important part of the brain. It makes you, you. Emotion, personality, thinking everything about you. It not be done.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

Oh yes. It didn't actually go much into detail about the after effects of it. Some actually did turn more violent and deranged.

[@domjonah4329]

I just really don't see how a doc could hammer into the corner of your eye and it NOT be a bloodbath. It seems like one of the goriest things you could do to a person.

[@laura121684]

Not so much the corner of your eye as above your eye, breaking the orbital bone to access the cranial vault.

[@julcaos]

have you seen what doctors are willing to do for money? just look at those freaks that change their whole bodies to look like reptiles, devils, barbie, cartoon characters etc...

[@laura121684]

@@julcaos Those body modifications are safe procedures, though. And the people undergoing those procedures have fully chosen to do so. It's in no way comparable to a lobotomy.

[@julcaos]

@@laura121684 understood and I agree, they are different. But my point was mainly on the extremes procedures doctors will do for money.

[@laura121684]

@@julcaos That's fair. I will absolutely agree with you on that point.

[@littlelagoons]

Not a lobotomy story, but an example of how we used to diddle with the human mind having little to no idea what we were doing: My grandpa was a WWII prisoner of war survivor. His memories from the war were often debilitating. Electro shock therapy was recommended to him, they told him it had the potential to totally erase his traumatic memories. Who wouldn't want that? He went through with it, of his own volition (to my knowledge anyway), and he had the opposite result. After his treatment, he claimed to have total recall of his entire life. He remembered everything that he had ever experienced, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[@P3rmissionD3ni3d]

The scary part is ECT is still practiced to this day.

[@commentbot9510]

That’s actually kind of cool to remember everything you’ve forgotten. It sucks that includes the trauma of war… But I still wouldn’t do electric shock therapy!

[@lovesnhugs]

Yeah it really is crazy they still do ECT today. I can't believe it to be honest.

[@JK-vq5me]

@@P3rmissionD3ni3d to be fair it’s (as far as I know) only used as a absolute last resort for various forms depression and done with controlled nodes

[@Tranquility32]

@@P3rmissionD3ni3d Indeed it is. My dear aunt had ECT done. She took her life in 2012. She was a wonderfully sweet, kind, generous, thoughtful person. Her birthday is tomorrow and I miss her terribly. Anyway, there is no way to know now whether it hurt or helped her. My personal feeling, though, is that it was not a good thing, but it will be an unanswerable question forever. I just worry for anyone who is subject to these procedures, whether voluntary or forced. Wishing everyone well and all the best. ♥️

[@ritarodriguez1810]

I wonder if family who institutionalized their "loved one" for a lobotomy have any regrets or remorse...

[@dorinnastase8331]

Probably not. I personaly dont think so.

[@stephenlangsl67]

Back in the year 1847, there was a railroad worker who somehow survived having a tamping iron go through under His cheek bone,out the top of His scull,and land about 200 feet away thus taking out most of the frontal lobe of His brain. His general personality changed dramatically. He went from being a highly intelligent businessman to losing His temper and using a great deal of profanity. I don't know how to spell His first name, but His last name was Gage.

[@ProjectMkUltraGR]

His name was phineas gage

[@kv5917]

He also died very young tho

[@Flowersandcookies931]

@@kv5917 How

[@kazdom6402]

@@Flowersandcookies931 because he had most of his brains blown out of his head, he died of a seizure

[@jonathanfeinbloom6938]

I heard this from last pod cast on the left

[@curryandapint]

This is actually too sad as my *lovely* Uncle had this *done to him* after he had a mental breakdown. After the lobotomy - he became passive - but never lived a normal life (chosing to walk backwards when in public with various phobias of water). After he died I cleared out his flat and there were so many letters when he refused the operation, tried to leave his parents and ended up having it forced on him. ... I miss him and this video shows what he went through. I guess his Dad (my Grandad) wanted him to take over a huge business - the pressure got to him - like it could to anyone. But what Father would do that to their own son. Too sad.

[@monicagv4027]

How was he after lobotomy?

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

That’s so disturbing. I don’t even see any good reason to do a lobotomy if he didn’t have any problems. Like, assuming it was the best operation money could buy, what was it even fixing in his case? That’s so strange. I’m not religious, but if he was, I hope he’s in heaven - not lobotomized - and in peace.

[@kathyr.8135]

I hope the dad pays in the next life . Evil

[@BrightSeaStar]

Horrific. Poor guy.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

I used to research quite abit on lobotomy, Many claimed that the patients simply loses their personality from a lack of temperament. They can talk, but can't socialise. Some would say that what's left is a soulless empty walking shell. I imagine most people back in the day weren't fully educated in the actual effects of lobotomy. But even today, some said that anti-psychotic drugs can cause people to become such zombified persons. But at least the effects are not from a permanent physical damage.

[@supernapper01]

My dad told me I needed a lobotomy when I was 10 years old. I had social anxiety and found it hard to talk to strangers, especially adults. Both my parents mentioned putting me in a psych ward because I wouldn't talk (later diagnosed as selective mutism). Whenever I bring it up to my mother now, she just says "yeah, we were scared." That is no excuse to lobotomize a CHILD. Weirdly enough, my brother was also shy and displayed selective mutism tendencies, yet it was never pushed on him that he had something wrong with him. I definitely resonated with "lobotomies were done on rebellious teen women". I am 20 now, never had a lobotomy, but I still have panic attacks when that procedure is mentioned (Yes, I had one during this video, but I still wanted to learn about it). *Edit for the ones who keep replying that they find the events of my life hard to believe. 1: Read my other comments further explaining my experience. 2: It's my life. Don't invalidate what you don't understand. I've been through it, you haven't (which is a good thing) so stop trying to tell me that I'm making it all up. 3: Furthermore, as I've said countless times, I never actually got a lobotomy. Yes it was illegal at that time when my dad threatened me, but do you think my ten year old self knew that? Do you honestly believe that I didn't think he'd find some way to get me lobomized even *if* I knew it was illegal?

[@MaseraSteve]

How could this slipped in their mind at 2010s?? Why? How's your condition now? I used be normal, then my entrepreneur family business exploded in Scale, we moved a lot. I was homeschooled and ignored to point of not befriended neighbor kid, because we always moving. So i Got acompanied by bad nanny, she looved to shove and kick me every time. It made me even less talkative Tl;dr they noticed me being "shy and different" instead soon-ex-mom put me on "vacation" in a completely different city "in fancy daycare to help me socializing again" without my dad knowing it.. (you get where this lead to eh? Another time for that) till my busy dad got notified i wasn't at home anymore and he visits me couple month later and realized the f*ck place does she puts me into? it's filled by kids with mentally disabled that can't talk with me... great(socialize and fancy my ass i was eating less there) that horrific events made me ultra shy like not even able posting a comment like this till 8 years ago.. now at 21 I've got slight improvement but not much... You ever experienced being perceived as arrogant before? I got plenty and whelp, surprise surprise contacts for personal friend? it's literally empty just my biz associates (that is also already pre arranged by -parents- dad) 😅

[@supernapper01]

@@MaseraSteve I actually have been called arrogant by my dad, one of my teachers, and two people who are no longer my close friends. As you can guess, I have no friends now, unless you count my brother's friend that comes over to see my cat lol. They thought that because I couldn't talk openly to strangers that I must have thought I was better than them. Ironically, I suffered with horrible self esteem, way worse than I have today. My current self esteem isn't great, but I don't let people manipulate me and I can say "no" to their face. It's been very difficult to get to where I am today, I still find myself struggling with the fear of being judged or people viewing me as a shit person when I am not. Therapy helped, but it can only get you so far if you aren't willing to change and grow. How is your condition? I assume "ex-mom" means your parents are divorced? Mine got legally divorced last year, but they haven't been on good terms for most of their 30 year marriage. You and I are close in age. I'll be 21 in two months. How have you been handling things?

[@MaseraSteve]

@@supernapper01 yes, they are divorced “ ” Ironically They thought i was better than them, i suffered with horrible self esteem ” ” that is why i wanted to ask you that. I received that comments once in a while as kid.. yet all i did was staring slightly at the same time my heart beats fast, definitely panicked.. it made me studied human behavior, but the funny thing is what written about "arrogant people" is that they loved to admire themselves, rub anything they felt superior in your face verbally. Yet non of it described me at all.. i used to reject every chance when asked "want me to take picture of yourself?" At vacation even. How am i now? Thanks for asking too! Definitely a little more talkative, i can glance at their eye level, less stutter (reverts if intimidating) one of my method to improve self esteem is just looking clean (losing weight, ironed nice colored shirt, practice soliloquy in mirror and fitting haircuts) hence 8 years later now i can comment to you ! i also can talk to guy twice my age now but, it's a really shallow connection. Yet my father used to always bring me to observe he socialize with biz associates everytime, maybe lack of getting respect is the play here.. As for peer my age in person? Oh, sh*t! panic attack always come! It's intimidating! dunno where to met or respond with, because I can't connect much, still being disconnected with their world or trends obviously made me an alien. But doesn't stop me to try every encounter like this too. Bday in 2 months eh? So we're 5 months apart then, interesting! What about hobby mate? Because i have no influence from people, i got broad interest such : ask me about History yep, Tech? Yep, Art? Yep, Woodworks yep, Bonsai yep, Automotive? (Eh, leaned to it's design) then, yep! Movie? Not as enjoyable like it used to so maybe if there's an input I'll try to watch it

[@supernapper01]

@@MaseraSteve I totally get it being hard to relate to people the same age. I don't like to associate with modern trends, and I especially dislike TikTok. The only thing I sorta keep up with is memes, since I enjoy seeing people come together for a good laugh. As for hobbies, I enjoy all types of art that I can get my hands on. Ceramics, Painting, Traditional drawing, Digital drawing, photography, you name it. I was also in a welding class in highschool which was very fun. I never got to do wood working since that class was always full, but at least I got to smell the wood as I walked by lol! Those classes were put in by a local college, otherwise my highschool would not have had those classes. I also like tech, although I don't know a whole lot about programming. But I enjoy video games and fixing things. Do you play video games? If so, are you console or PC? Oh! And I also love psychology, so I enjoy studying human behavior, too!

[@MaseraSteve2]

@@supernapper01I realized why there's no reply turns out youtube now are literally banning certain word combined with steam and infamous purple bot. My second attempt to reply with that account are still erased😅. Oh, agree tik tok to me are just like over glorified ad media to me it's too shallow and comedy there aren't funny at all. But in my experiment, the algorithm works better in term of discoverability though. yes i do play! Used to have ps3 and currently on laptop because it's more versatile for my lifestyle nowadays I'm more leaned towards open world and wacky physics like gang beast Love to collect vintage stuff too did your town have sort of antique store of some sorts?

[@YourFavGymnast375]

honestly, considering how I am, it's pretty scary to think that if it weren't banned, I could have already had one right now 😕

[@ChiKk116]

The crazy thing is that lobotomies started up by being a delicate procedure that was performed with very precise utensils and could only be operated by skilled doctors in severe cases. And this one doctor just took an ice Pick and hammerd people in the head. But he sold it excellently

[@nielszindel1151]

Like anything, goes mainstream and is abused. I think some surgeries today are the same. Delia Morris

[@obscurelyvague]

"Thatguy" Medicine and surgery has had that kind of origin. It used to be common practice in ancient times .

[@DivertissementMonas1664]

And awarded the Noble Prize! What a wonderful world hey.

[@DivertissementMonas1664]

@@obscurelyvague "it used to be common practice in ancient times." That's what that crazy quack believed as well. The fact is no one knows and its all speculation. None of us were living then, but judging by the ancient architecture alone they were far more sophisticated and knowledgeable than us.

[@shaniarobertson4920]

I think that was the problem. It might have been a good procedure if was looked into and taken care of very carefully but this guy decided to make it into a business without knowing what he was doing.

[@alisonjohnson287]

I read the book My Lobotomy. I was so angry for that kid; that horrible stepmother of his set him up for that procedure. I’m glad he’s still around to tell his story.

[@glumberty1]

What about his father who stood by and let it happen?

[@DL-in5kw]

@@glumberty1 Well what do you think? Equally as bad. Goes without saying.

[@mishkalarsoncreations]

Before my mom died, she told me that she was sure her mom had a lobotomy when she was out in an institution. Apparently she’d had a nervous breakdown a few times when my mom was a teen. The last time she came back from treatment, she wasn’t the same. It was a horrible thing for my mom to have carried around all that time. One of her college friend who has become a doctor did some digging and sure enough, that’s what happened and it was never ok’d by my grandfather. My mom is sure he never knew.

[@ashton-jr6uu]

this is sick. the fact that people have holes in their head that nobody consented for. we talk ahout consent for sex but this isnt main stream knowledge?

[@rayhimmel7167]

@@ashton-jr6uu not like sex consent was truly out there in these times either tho

[@PACbelltech1]

Thats a shame and the scary thing is there were many more that happened to.

[@acrock21]

@@PACbelltech1 there are also other forms of malpractice like that today... my father who is a congestive heart failure patient hit the floor several months ago... his blood pressure had fallen to 40/25 ... he had a blank look in his eye i was sure he died before my eyes... my mom rushed into the room i did the sternum rub and she did cpr... he woke up very combatitive but was back enough where we were able to contact the ambliance and they game and took him to a local hospital with a poor reputation... at that ER unit without permission and notification of my mom and myself, they put my father on DNR... pretty sick considering what he was there for... you trust that they will help you and you trust they will save your loved one... but sometimes the only thing saving them is a miracle... Malpractice is a big deal and can cost us our loved ones if we are not side by side with them through everything. this is why its such tragedy that they limit who can see a loved one in ER.

[@jgo1247]

​@@acrock21ambulance

[@ambermay7032]

They were used as a way to silence the trauma of male and female victims of sexual assault and abuse. Women and children in particular had no say over it and their husbands and parents, who were often their abusers, would do it to stop them acting out and to silence them. It's not different to my incredibly abusive mother putting my sister on psych meds at 10y.o that were so strong she became a zombie. Psych pros and my mother considered it a success as she no longer acted out (about the abuse we were suffering). I learned to be quiet and was sold to an older man when I was 16 who also tried to have me committed when he wanted the inheritance my father (who I met once) had left me. Psych nurses were all too keen to lock me up and give me meds that made it impossible for me to think. It was agony. Thankfully an independent reviewer saved me or I might be there still today ( Abusive man did try to kill me after I got out though). My grandfather was also committed in 1940's after he suffered a head injury. He was starved and tortured before dying there. It was one of Australia's worse asylums.

[@DabsOnDabs]

Independent reviewer? And which asylum was your grandfather at?

[@Silenciobob]

Pure lies. Sounds like you’re a professional victim

[@cvbgdvg]

How are you doing now, i hope you are okay....?

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@ambermay7032 That's actually false & wrong yes women did have a say in many things, this is just More false narratives Being told, the thing that you probably won't say is women defintley were all for their daughters getting this treatment but You got to paint this as a act of "evil men".

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@ambermay7032 That's false saying men were often women & children's abusers, both genders throughout History have been abusive & engaged in evil behavior to try To paint men as the bad one & Others as victims is just wrong as it is sexist.

[@blackaliss9488]

I had a student who developed severe seizures as young adult. They performed a partial lobotomy on her (14years ago) She proceeded to become an architect afterwards. But when she visted me recently she only came to 'get to know' me. She had zero memory of anything or anyone before the procedure. Relatives etc told her of her previous life and she was on a mission to find out more about her life before. I showed her photos etc and but she had no recollection of anything. She told me that she even had to get to know her two young sons from scratch. Sad But her seizures were/are gone

[@LatIenws]

I’m glad that she was able to live a more normal life after that, good for her

[@karencahill4798]

One of the lucky ones?

[@taneeshajackson1817]

Well thats a good ending 👍

[@idvcrow]

@@LatIenws yikes

[@PACbelltech1]

Wow. Like a movie....Maybe treating the seizures would have been a better result.

[@kayhansen9229]

My mother wanted this done to me when I was 8 in about 1965 she had borderline personality disorder. And I was her scrap goat chi ld. I w a s a lovely child. Of course the psychiatrist said no! To her he saw right through her. But still I had a life time of abuse. Still facing homelessness at age 64.

[@333gyal]

hey Kay, i hope you find peace with your past and present and i am sending you lots of love and strength your way. My heart feels very heavy for you, though i do not know you, you didn’t deserve what you went through and that you’re loved. May god bless you for the rest of your years and that you find your forever home and have mental, physical, and spiritual comfort 💕

[@kayhansen9229]

@@333gyal thank you Ceci!

[@omoriref]

I'm sorry you went through that Just a reminder that not everyone with BPD is like that. A lot of people with BPD actually tend to be very kind and compassionate and shouldn't be bunched in with the toxic bunch.

[@kayhansen9229]

@@omoriref I would have to disagree with you on that borderline personality when you look in the books they're in the same category with sociopaths and psychopaths I think people are using borderline personality all of a sudden it's become a popular throw out thing but no they are very dangerous and very sick people everybody just starts to use these psychological names like everybody says I have bipolar bipolar this and bipolar that that's b******* we used to call bipolar manic depressive and my boyfriend is a psychologist my ex-boyfriend and he told me way back in the 70s that there are actually very few designated mental illnesses manic depressive is one of them now everybody wants to get on the bandwagon for this or that people should stop doing that.

[@monikazimovaart]

That sounds so sad. I wish you the best, lots of love ❤️❤️❤️

[@l.j.1417]

Rosemary Kennedy reportedly sang while the lobotomy was performed, like with most neurological surgeries, for the doctor to know the patients brain is functioning. Then there was a wrong swipe and Rosemary stopped singing. And never sang again.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

That sounds terribly sick and sad

[@susanazinger2525]

@@souldancersbyjennifer it WAS sick and sad ...big Joe had no soul whatsoever .

[@livewire2759]

Lobotomies were performed with the patient unconscious... so I'm pretty sure that's a rumor, but it's absolutely horrible what happened to her either way.

[@Shewas-kathybates]

In the video it says they were shocked unconscious 🤔

[@mandij6431]

@@livewire2759 Many lobotomies that were preform weren’t really done by a ‘professional’. Not everyone was unconscious while this was preformed.

[@sleepyw1253]

its scary to think that as someone whos neurodivergent, i would most likely have gotten a lobotomy at a really young age if i lived back then

[@nicbarth3838]

fr

[@oof7711]

Why what did u do

[@Avi-qn1sm]

Digital lobotomy

[@LordBrittish]

I still can’t believe that her own family did this to JFK’s sister.

[@harrietharlow9929]

I can. Her parents were very big on image.

[@marcoelhodev]

It's even more pathetic when we think of JFK being shot years later. A human being turned into a vegetable for nothing.

[@TMIATC]

Well, the Kennedy's aren't exactly decent people. This doesn't surprise me.

[@owenswabi]

That’s why they’re cursed

[@scotishjohn]

And what happened to him

[@poeticposturing3850]

My aunt was given a lobotomy after attacking her step mother, who showed up in her life soon after the sudden death of her biological mom. I met her once. She said very little and just sat there. It was sad.

[@zaynes5094]

Shoulda tried to meet her again. See it's not the stories that aggravate me so much as the lack of attention. If someone actually tried to talk to them maybe they'd actually open up about how they felt.

[@RusticRonnie]

@@zaynes5094alot of them can’t talk, they are barley alive.

[@ruhinabegum6925]

no, as a Specialist Nurse, i believe this SHOULD NEVER ever be legalised again. disgusting and inhumane.

[@Whocares158]

It really is. Turning people into zombie like beings. Is just disturbing.

[@playlistchannel23]

Like getting electroshocked against your own will? Oh or these little shots they give you so you stay calm? Still happens to this day... “we just want to help“ ... sure...

[@modrribaz1691]

@@playlistchannel23 Think from an outside perspective, you'll understand the reason. (and it's not a good reason) What you'll get is actually common misconception in medicine, like treating insulin independent diabetes with insulin secretagogues, drugs' group that will eventually make a patient insulin dependent after destroying their pancreas. Another example is treating a chronic severe stress patient with antihypertensives as if their hypertension isn't psychological, in this case the patient's gets hardly managed if at all.

[@playlistchannel23]

@@modrribaz1691 make damaging brains thru electroshocks great again, or what? Think from the perspective of someone getting beaten up in the asylum, defending himself and because he did that gets electroshocked. Great help indeed.

[@modrribaz1691]

@@playlistchannel23 Okay, so I think I need to clarify my previous statement. In other words: "What you're going through as an individual doesn't matter, it's what they observe that matters for them. For example, a core medical treatment for type II diabetes actually makes it worse on the long run and when treating hypertension they don't put chronic psychological troubles into perspective. Lots of them think 'normal blood glucose in diabetic patient and normal blood pressure in a hypertensive patient' is always good because their perspective is not holistic even if they think it is" Do I sound like someone who's supporting the current conventional mindset of the medical field? Or were you someone who want to think other people are always going against them?

[@nomi9997]

rosemary kennedy wasn't allowed a lot of freedom in leaving the house (because of her developmental delays) and when she was around 22 her parents hired a governess to watch her at all times. because rosemary had been sneaking out, jealous of the freedom her siblings had. i'd have angry outbursts too. the psychiatrist who suggested a lobotomy did so to cure her DEPRESSION. they lobotomised her because of DEPRESSION. i think these are all important parts of her story.

[@petercole8798]

What the father did to rosemary is inexcusable. He wanted her out of the way period.

[@teorautio6269]

I think what makes lobotomy much more horrible than any other widely spread medical procedure, is that it simply alters who you are completely. When asked "who are you" or "how would you define yourself", one rarely starts listing of their physical traits and more often than not starts to describe their personality. Their interests, beliefs and aspirations. I firmly believe that these are the things that actually make you, well, "you". It is an absolutely terrifying thought that someone might completely alter this and in a sence kill what you consider to be "you", and that they could do this legally and maybe even justifying it all by thinking they were helping you..

[@comyuse9103]

yes it is possibly one of the worst things you can do to someone, but if you look at the abrahamic religions you can see how the savages justified it to themselves. the biblical 'good' end, heaven, leaves you a shell of the person you once were and they consider that to be a good thing.

[@JediWebSurf]

@@comyuse9103 justified what to themselves? and how does believing in heaven leave a shell of yourself?

[@comyuse9103]

@@JediWebSurf heaven is literally about leaving everything that makes you you so you can worship an unjust god for eternity. you desires? your free will? they literally cannot exist in heaven, otherwise sin would be there and you would want to do something better with your time.

[@yusoffirdaus3553]

Can i stop taking anti depressant? ​@@mr.t993

[@straawberryfieldsforever]

in a way it's like instant dementia. Some people just completely forgot about their lives

[@arvettadelashmit9337]

My mother often told me, "You belonged in a Crazy House like your Grandmother." If Mom could have had her way, this may have happened to me. Just because I did not agree with Mom over every issue (does not mean that I was crazy). Mom may have been the crazy one.

[@lounamhb]

Its a little bit weird the way you call your mother during this comments

[@Alexz5040]

@@lounamhb tf are you talking about they’re just using third person to talk it’s not that weird

[@Alexz5040]

Your mother could be a narcissist but a dangerous one mines a narcissist and has said threatening things but never anything about a crazy house

[@SillyTaxEvader]

@@lounamhb yeah thats the weird part, not what the mother said

[@depinga8957]

I’d say someone who wants to lock up another person simply for having other interests or voicing an opinion is a psychopath and a dangerous person.

[@aceboogie_77]

Damn , a lobotomy procedure looks like some scary torture technique... 😨😱

[@stephenlangsl67]

There was a railroad worker by name of Phineas Gage who survived having a tamping rod go in through His cheek bone and out the top of His scull. They have quite a few videos about Him on KZbin.

[@laura121684]

For the people receiving them, it most definitely was a scary torture technique.

[@metatron333ascension]

because it is. they probably got some of these torture techniques from the nazi's.

[@justanawkwardnerd]

@@metatron333ascension Lobotomy is a bit older than nazism, and is honestly more of an example of how abuse ran rampant in mental health spheres. There is a lot of horror stories about asylums for good reason. If anything, Nazis got there ideas from looking there.

[@lionamckechnie8279]

It is I leaned about it in pshe and I swear I don’t know why they would do that

[@oldtimer427]

Thanks for your channel. You remind me of my 6th grade teacher, Mr. Scott. He was a little more animated than yourself,but, as honest and straightforward as you. Thanis again, always looking forward to the next one !

[@crimsonmoon1985]

I read "My Lobotomy". His step mom was abusive and disliked him very much. She wanted him lobotomized just for being a kid. I think the dad just went along with it to keep the stepmom happy. The boy's mother died and maybe the dad was desperate to hold on to this new wife. Still, no reason to do that to a kid. I would have ditched the wife or said "Look this is my kid. Either you straighten up and deal with him being a kid or its over".

[@obscurelyvague]

It must have been at a time in which it was some social shame for a grown man not to be married. Or maybe it was cultural too

[@blueshoes5145]

I don’t think either of that will help. What that kid needed was help from a proper psychologist…some good therapy. Not some lobotomy. He just needed to be explained about the big change that’s happening in his life. For kids, that scenario is as big as the world ending. Once he gets to term with that, the relationship can start well. But saying to the new wife that this kid is just being a kid, can be a problem especially if he was being quite volatile towards her. That’s a recipe for disaster. The little boy may not be a danger when he is 5 but imagine he kept his dislike for her as he became a teen. An unruly 18 year old can be detrimental to not only her safety but also the fathers. Because, I’m sure his hatred would also extend to the father, who favors the wife over him and scolds his son.

[@ericparrish1515]

@@blueshoes5145 wtf are you talking about that has to do with lobotomy

[@dragonfly9821]

@@obscurelyvague 1) Single men were never in the same position as single women. 2) He was a widower, so it didn't apply to him anyway.

[@keonkla]

@@blueshoes5145 and some complete terminally online women want to say this was only a crime against girls lol. riduclous.

[@jennyme6862]

Every patient was abused by their care provider , family, parent. They weren’t crazy, they were abused & then discarded .

[@gregmcb5305]

Idk about that many of them probably did have some sort of psychological disorder considering allot of people do, but your right this was wrong, probably one of the biggest things it did was provide some sort of alteration in behavior that acted like a placebo to convince family members that they were “cured” and the family then started treat them differently and that changed the whole dynamic of the relationship.

[@HospitalForSouls.X]

This was honestly hard for me to get through, being someone who spent most of my young life in a locked mental ward. The continuation of inhumane treatment is still there, it's just muted. It's polite enough to skirt the media attention, and now they call electric shock "ECT," which is still legal in my home state of Georgia. Nothing has changed, they still want to make us vegetables. When I was 14 I was found dangling in my closet like an old pair of shoes. Instead of talking to me, my parents locked me away and I was placed on 9 psychiatric medications daily. I isolated myself, suffered from a new eating problem, detached from reality and was even drooling on myself. My eyes were sunken like a corpse and I was either nauseous or seizing on a daily basis. Of course they put me on an anti epileptic medication to treat the side effects of the other medication. All in my freshman year. I'm now almost 27 and still feel the traumatic effects of my prolonged stays at various hospitals. And my heart aches for anybody dealing with it today, let alone in the 1930s. I could barely see the video through my tears, envisioning the pain those poor people felt and the wondering of why society hated them so.

[@obscurelyvague]

These are very tough situations.

[@elliewuzzup7689]

I'm am horrified what you went through! So, so sorry! It sounds like all you needed was intervention, therapy and kindness and PERHAPS some medication. Instead you were treated as less than human. Please know you are deserving of love and respect. I truly hope you have been able to heal and are living your best life. Therapy really has helped me with my trauma, but I also understand if you feel completely done with the medical community. Wishing you the best!🌻❤️

[@sharonjensen3016]

These medical professionals should have had done to them what they did to their patients, with some pistol whipping thrown in for good measure.

[@whodoesntluvpapas]

SO sorry to hear that you were subjected to that. I knew a kid that went through a similar thing: he got caught with weed and his religious parents sent him off. He came back a completely different person who has never recovered from it. Your story sounds waaaaay worse, though. A 14 year old who is crying out for help needs their parents to listen to and love them. Such a heartbreaking story. They basically gave you a chemical lobotomy instead of a surgical one.

[@kielyb3027]

Thank you for sharing your story.

[@alandarkcaster2902]

2.2 lookin hella realistic

[@Custom26621]

This is 2.9 reveal trailer in 2032

[@EggPotionFilms]

Geometry dash no bad no 😡😡😡😡🚨🚨🚨🚨🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️

[@CHKN_TENDERS9999]

🔥➡🕳

[@RNGvideoinator]

@@CHKN_TENDERS9999neutral face

[@mickyfinn1948]

In 1968, at 20 yrs old, I became depressed and foolishly said I was sick of life to a doctor who sectioned me I spent 3 months undergoing full on e.c.t. 2 x a week. When I was released, I was a shell of what I was before and developed severe agoraphobia and social phobia. Even now at 74, I am still prone to occasional panic attacks. The only good thing is that lobotomies were banned the year previous to my incarceration.

[@cdbb_01]

i’m so sorry to hear about this, e.c.t especially back in those days was horrible and torturous. although i’m really glad you didn’t have to endure this horrible “surgery”.

[@jobrock1079]

"Everything you say can and will be used against you" seems to apply with doctors as well as with the police.

[@Senjamin]

I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm glad you narrowly avoided lobotomies, and I hope you're having a good day today.

[@angelbb8195]

God loves you and sent His only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins so we can be reborn and find peace.

[@FruityCatRing]

@@angelbb8195 bro this is not the time and place for this

[@xfinity319]

I think we would all be lobotomized if this were still legal 💀

[@Cicada3773]

Joe Biden was lobotomized, right?

[@NatureLover-pj2qe]

That is a scary thought

[@CIPHERINATOR]

No your not wrong

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

I know I would be, for sure, 100%. Like, without a doubt. I’m trans, bi, I have ADHD, severe anxiety, depression, and am just weird overall. Very thankful that this is now illegal, just makes my skin crawl thinking about being born in a different time.

[@bcarpyy2739]

💀 (all of us after the lobotomy)

[@spookyblush-speedruns]

The fact that women were lobotomized *WAY* more than men says a lot about what this surgery was really all about.

[@eo9337]

Imagine if we still did this for the women that are WAY more out of control than the men. Bring back the lobotomy!

[@toph8298]

Good point. A truly disgusting practice, nothing more than torture.

[@krispynachos9980]

That women tend to be more emotional?

[@crappybucket]

@@krispynachos9980 misogyny but ight man whatever u wanna think

[@godjesus2107]

Women are cursed with irrationality. So it makes sense for them to take the nails to their skulls.

[@rebeccafionacornel6558]

i am actually glad that Lobotomy is no longer in use as a medical practice.... mainly because, not only would i have had to go through that since childhood, but also if i were to survive that practice and then do my studies in Psychology, I would have to do the same thing to other people just because they were termed as "mentally unstable" or as my psychology lecturer (who was also my MENTOR in my degree college during my term from 2007 to 2010) told my dad "There is something wrong with your daughter" just because they preferred to sit in the back bench all alone with their noses buried in books..... and that is true since i had mainly been dealing with just counseling from my childhood till my Pre-University College.... It was only in my degree that i started to take medication (thanks to my "mentor" and Psychology lecturer) to told my dad those very words "there is something wrong with your daughter" just because i preferred to sit in the back bench rather than sit in the front benches with other students..... and also because according to that mentor, she thought that i didn't want to talk to people or didn't make friends when i actually had a lot of friends i would talk to, except that i was more comfortable to be to myself than be with a group of girls who didn't do anything much except talk about guys and stuff and also gossip about others behind their backs, while i on the other hand preferred to bury my nose in books .... and also whenever i had any problem i preferred to just do it on my own.... and this was another "problem" this mentor saw about me which she thought was uncommon for girls my age..... and i actually ended up having sever depression from my third semester on-wards because my mentor suddenly went to my theater teacher and told her to just kick me out of the club because she thought that the amount of theater work was going to affect my studies, when in fact, theater work actually helped me with my studies..... and i am now 36 years old, so yeah, i was just as surprised at my second semester results as she was and i was just starting to want to make sure that by me being in extra-curricular activities, my concentration in my studies was being helped out.... but my mentor didn't think that way..... in fact she (my mentor) didn't tell me this on her own..... In fact it was my Theater teacher who actually told me this and that too on the first day of my third semester, and she even told me that i needed to ask my mentor's permission to even continue doing theater work.....and of course i was angry, because i never asked her (my mentor's) permission to join Theater Club since she is not my mum or dad nor is she related to me by blood or family connections..... So, i told my Theater teacher in as calm way as i could tell her, that i was not going to ask my mentor's permission to continue my theater work when i never asked for her permission to join Theater Club.... and also my parents, and not my mentor, payed for my Theater Club work and well, if my parents didn't have any problem with me being in not just Rotract Club, my College Paper Re-Cycling Unit and the Theater Club, i honestly didn't understand why was it bothering my mentor so much about Theater work affecting my studies, because if i continued to do my Theater work, i would have gotten to know if my good results in my studies were due to me doing extra-curricular activities and my studies together or if was just a coincidence that i got a good result in my second semester exams.... But my mentor wanted to act like my "babysitter" instead.... and because of her nosing around in my life in college, i did just Half a year instead of at least a full year.... because i told my Theater Teacher that i would rather quit Theater Work than ask someone who didn't even have the courage to talk to me (Her ward/ Student) about her decision.... nor did she talk to my parents about the fact that she wanted me to stop doing Theater work, because if she (my mentor) had just done that, i would have listened to my parents..... but i just asked my parents that day when i returned home if they knew what my "Mentor" had done... and they told me that they never got any call from my Mentor about the stuff.... and that got me even more upset... so i ended up having Sever Depression in my third semester.... and by the time i was in my 6th and final semester i was so depressed that i actually noticed that i was getting more depressed.... and in 2013 i ended up having a total nervous break down because i had been doing re exams for my 3rd, 4th and 5th semesters continuously (which i actually managed to clear) except my 6th semester second re exam attempt which i actually decided to quit and abandon, mainly because i was so over-whelmed by the fact that nothing was going well with me because my mentor always kept poking her nose in whatever i did apart from studies because according to my mentor i had to just keep studying but i have ADHD issues so the busier i am the better my studies became and just studying like a nerd was not my thing...... So i really can't imagine going through the Lobotomy process NOR can i imagine ever trying to do that Lobotomy process on anyone else...... I am really sorry for those who have under gone this process or had someone in their family under go this process.....

[@discourius26]

Early in my career I worked with a client that had this done to her. When I dug into her file to see what prompted such a drastic surgery as a response. She was from a upper middle class family and she was rebellious. She shoplifted and got caught. The second time she was caught a doctor recommended the procedure praising it's efficiency to make a person compliant. The result was that she was brought to a state where she lost most of her communication ability. When she did talk it seemed like she was experiencing a memory or hallucination about an event in her past. She could maintain some focus in the present, but not much.

[@ricksmith7490]

Our systems are pathetic for such cruel stupidity

[@OfftoShambala]

There are no words. Does she experience joy?

[@slowery43]

This video isn't about you Dis... though that likely hurts to hear. Not a sole came here to find out if you had clients and what happened to them... not a sole

[@123peachyscreams2]

@@slowery43 soul* also, the KZbin comment section is made for sharing opinions.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@slowery43 I'm sorry you were hurt.

[@gulagbean289]

My mum used to work in a psychiatric hospital in the 80s and 90s and worked with patients who'd suffered after having lobotomies and poorly done ECT, she said their relatives didn't have the time or patience to care for them anymore. It's dehumanising.

[@VeeVeeLL3Gemini]

Go figure, it would be too much like right

[@zaynes5094]

@@VeeVeeLL3GeminiThis is also the case in Japan. Families just forget about their one child if they have two, those two become their main focus and the mom may come to visit their "other" just to see if they've changed or adjusted at all. Mental illness and mental health care in Japan is even worse than here in a lot of ways.

[@VeeVeeLL3Gemini]

@@zaynes5094 Wow

[@zaynabeln]

As a psychologist I will say this is horrific with modern psychotherapy we can get to the core of the unhelpful behaviours instead of damaging connection with the frontal lobe. Damage to the frontal lobes can result in: Loss of simple movement of various body parts (Paralysis) Inability to plan a sequence of complex movements needed to complete multi-stepped tasks, such as making coffee (Sequencing) Loss of spontaneity in interacting with others Inability to express language (Broca's Aphasia) Loss of flexibility in thinking and persistence of a single idea or behaviour (Perseveration) Inability to focus on a task and to filter out distractions (Attention) Mood fluctuations (Emotional lability) Difficulty problem solving Difficulty inhibiting or controlling a response or impulse (Disinhibition) Reduced motivation, initiation and persistence on activities (Adynamia) Reduced awareness/insight into difficulties Changes in social behaviour Changes in personality that's a lot of sacrifices to make for a band-aid solution.

[@cynthiakeller5954]

Shameful that it was common practice, especially against our female populations. When ever someone grew weary of said female they were off for "treatments". Happened to my greataunt as a young teen when she questioned her role as the mother/domestic in a very large family.

[@catherineconspiracy]

as someone that has suffered a TBI alot of this lines up with what i've dealt with since the injury. wow and to think this man intentionally damaged peoples frontal lobes.........

[@jonathangullett3143]

Tell me about transgenderism and surgery on kids?

[@connormanley7245]

What?

[@madelynhernandez7453]

So are all the terrible prescriptions given out that are just band aids and cause terrible harm in the long run.

[@s.h.i.h.t.z.u]

if lobotomies weren't banned I would've had one for sure 💀

[@richardmagnuson2131]

But today they mutilate a 12 year old who says he/she wants to change gender. This is an age where they can't even decide which pajamas to wear to bed or what shoes to wear to school. Years from now there will be documentaries about the barbaric practices hoisted upon today's children.

[@ElizabethGomez-qb3ft]

Technically, they haven't been banned. They're just not done anymore. I do think there's still a non surgical option now.

[@FacelessBillions]

Same

[@FatSynthDude]

Thorazine came along and replaced it for the most part, and it was marketed as a chemical lobotomy. Lobotomies are still an option, and are done on occasion, but now it's usually a last resort. While hundreds died and thousands were left vegetative, the success rate for lobotomies was actually very high. Honestly, with my panic attacks and agoraphobia, if a doctor offered to give me a lobotomy, I'm not sure that I would say no.

[@fififornow8031]

Sounds like u need one

[@MrBleuskyz]

As a person who already hated body horror and anything to do with altering the human body, this freaks me out and makes me feel sick inside. I’m glad lobotomy is gone

[@wavy6470]

Same

[@0Leonx0]

now we have gender surgery and pumping little kids with hormones

[@GETMEASTRAITJACKET]

It's actually still performed in the UK on the NHS as Last resort for severe depression. Amazingly some people are desperate enough to seek it out. They just renamed it "neurosurgery for mental disorders"

[@MrBleuskyz]

@@GETMEASTRAITJACKET that’s pretty wild, honestly

[@MrBleuskyz]

@@GETMEASTRAITJACKET I agree. And the added fact that there’s no other precautions for signing in to get the procedure makes it scary

[@JesusMartinez-rr2ry]

I'm still remembering the end of that episode of Bojack Horseman when Beatrice as a child, she witness the horror of finding out that her mother became a nonfunctional hollow husk of her former self, all thanks to a lobotomy. Which is partially why Beatrice is an a**hole mother to her son, Bojack. This is the first thing that pops into my mind when it comes to the topic of lobotomies.

[@potato_smile1419]

@@kentonbenoit9629 bojack horseman is one of the best shows that portrays mental illnesses correctly on mainstream ur lame for not watching it 😭

[@p0llencrumbs748]

I WANTED TO SAY THAT TOO AHHH

[@kentonbenoit9629]

@@potato_smile1419 i watched it I think it's lame that first time learning of lobotomies is through bojack

[@timothyharshaw2347]

My wife and I love Bojack Horseman, we actually found a Bojack Horseman monopoly game that we bought as a collectible.

[@kentonbenoit9629]

I like the show bojacks self hate seems relatable

[@lisahewes212]

Thank God I was born well after lobotomies were banned. I developed BPD from childhood trauma so that would have made me a prime candidate for this brutal procedure.

[@anahitazaib4050]

Omg same here. I have BPD too. Cant imagine living back then with this condition!

[@lisahewes212]

@@anahitazaib4050 BPD is the devil. Granted, there are worse mental illnesses, but just the stigma that surrounds it suck, such as the one where it's often associated with narcissism. I hate that. I hope you're doing well despite having this horrible thing. Several long deep breaths in a row have helped me when I feel like my anger is reaching the point of no return. Other times it just makes me dizzy, but either way, my anger subsides to a reasonable point. Hope you're doing okay, fellow internet stranger!

[@nahbrof]

I dont have bpd,but i have depression and anxiety,and well,i think i could be a victim of this shit

[@LobotomiteMing]

same i have bpd they wouldve lobotomised me extremely quickly

[@testy518]

The reason lobotomies were outlawed was not because they were bad, it was because they were so unpredictable. Sometimes they got the result they wanted but more often than not they didn't!!

[@FacelessBillions]

Thats because they were playing the lottery with Neuron Connections

[@noah1502]

whats absolutely horrifying is that the person is still in there, just unable to react or communicate or process as well. so many women were put through this in order to be tortured afterwards, it makes me sick and incredibly depressed for them.

[@tmsmith3412]

And so many men aswell.

[@thunderchief7256]

Just horrible….

[@iumaiiumai5402]

Doctor Freeman should burn in hell

[@localmidas7364]

i guess this is why asylums and mental hospitals have such an eerie feeling to them. because of its previous history and the way people viewed mentally ill people back then, and how they were treated.

[@blacktara3936]

Forced drugging, shock 'therapy', incredible cruelty & abuse still happen on a regular basis. People think these atrocities are in the past. They are not.

[@user-Prometheus]

Give me an example.

[@bxyhxyh]

Because they work unlike lobotomy.

[@imjoeimjoe]

yeah they drug kids instead of raising them welcome to the new lobotomy..

[@imjoeimjoe]

@@user-Prometheus drugging normal kids and saying they have "ADHD" when they are just normal children and parents are just too damn lazy to raise their kids and society doesn't allow discipline anymore. Fight me.

[@user-Prometheus]

@@imjoeimjoe ADHD is “diagnosed” to children who were not raised with any discipline, and do not perform in schools, or educational institutions. This paper is given to them so that the school (educational institution) can have an excuse for their lack of performance. Then, the children are raised with the excuse of “I have ADHD” or “I am special and I cannot do certain things”. ADHD is a very heavy term, which should not be used lightly. Many children in my school were prescribed “medicine” and vitamins for their inexistent “disorders”. I remember they were told to buy fish oil as a vitamin, and other medicine, soon enough when the school decided that they wanted to make it a thing and sent out letters to the childrens parents. I agree with you 100%. The “school psychologists” were in on it. Why? Because it’s their paycheck. They’re in fact ruining lives, and squandering the potential of so many children.

[@alanoswiecimski2080]

i swear to god if anybody comments a gd refrence i am going to scream

[@Londel3real]

FIYAH IN DA HOEL!1!!!!1🔥🔥🔥🕳🕳🕳

[@nancydugan5283]

When I was in nurses training, I did my physciatric training in a locked mens ward of an institution for the insane. I witnessed the results of a frontal lobotomy. Horrible!! No personality at all. Just a blank slate. The individual affect that every person possesses is completely gone. One of our biggest medical mistakes!

[@obscurelyvague]

it could be worse.

[@auntyvenom133]

My grandma had a lobotomy in the 1950's. It affected the nerves in her left arm & hand, her hand got all twisted & froze up. She had been setting fire to the house, so my grandpa agreed to a lobotomy because the doctors convinced him that it was the best thing to do for her. She was still crazy after the lobotomy, & traumatized

[@J4EB4E]

i’m so sorry that this happened to your grandma 💔

[@willow.extendedreality1530]

If she was setting fire to the house and the lobotomy made it so she couldn’t use her hand anymore, it kinda worked right

[@hi-go2jl]

@@willow.extendedreality1530 man💀💀💀

[@dragonziegen6047]

@@willow.extendedreality1530 you don't need 2 hands to set a fire even with matches.

[@garnett2350]

​@@willow.extendedreality1530😭 what

[@abhinavvatsa7832]

I am a grown man damn near in tears thinking about what these people had to suffer through. Humans can suck so hard.

[@cosmicreef5858]

Bad people. Nothing have to do with the specie

[@berrymint6384]

these people humans does not meant to be evil

[@Thinkingisallowed]

This is indeed terrifying. Some humans can do horrible things.

[@1EmilieS]

fr this sounds like a horror movie

[@comyuse9103]

@@cosmicreef5858 they aren't people, that is a moniker you can lose

[@MichaelAutism]

i cannot see this the same way from fire in the hole

[@tedvanmatje]

This procedure is so barbaric, that words fail me. To think of the amount of non- Neuro-typical people who underwent this blasphemy of medicine makes me gawp. Those advocating the lobotomy as a solution should be ranked in the same class as Josef Mengele....let them and the memories of their names rot.

[@nothydropump845]

Met Mengele vergelijken is misschien wel een beetje te veel maar verder heb je gelijk

[@doomergirl6012]

It also helped people, ypu need to understand that. This is development of medical field.

[@21stcenturydegenerate29]

@@doomergirl6012 Tf is wrong with you.

[@rhia5310]

@@doomergirl6012 rarely..

[@liviemillie6455]

Thank you

[@nancylyon-gray3499]

My grandfather took my grandmother in for a lobotomy. She lived but many did not. The doctor was banned from practicing medicine. She still sobbed most of the time when she was not asleep. I feel so sorry for her because they did not have medication for depression during that time. RIP Grandma.

[@zaynes5094]

I don't condone hurting your elders or disrespecting them in any way, but a lot of those who "took" their other half or their sibling or a child, namely a daughter, to get a lobotomy deserved a kick in the nuts. And more.

[@Thinkingisallowed]

She is in peace now.

[@blariablackendorker]

🫶🏾I’m so sorry,

[@Jillysmom63]

Its really sick what we humans have done to other humans, some we love or should love. Pretty barbaric stuff. Torture, medical and drug experiments and heck it's still going on today, they just got sneaker on how to do them.

[@shivasgaming2399]

without those scientific barbaric experiment, we wouldn't have cure on some of the diseases we have right now. just be thankful on science. prayers won't make diseases go away.

[@FoxyBoxery]

@@shivasgaming2399 Technically true. Those barbaric techniques did gave their fair share on advancing modern medicine. However, even tho I agree with you, I must state that you wouldn't be saying what you're saying if you had to be the "sacrificial lamb", that had to undergo lobotomy, in order to help medicine progress

[@josephdahdouh2725]

@@shivasgaming2399 Medicine+prayer go hand in hand in curing you. If you get treated and somehow survive then that's great for you now, but what's more important is prayer as it will allow you to survive a 2nd much worthy life. So honestly, I prefer prayer over medicine any day of the week.

[@ehhehehegeh1577]

I did nothing. I’m human but I haven’t done no harm to others. Don’t say “we”

[@wolfiemix]

@@shivasgaming2399 You wouldn't be saying that if you were the one to be experimented on...

[@ramikla_146]

This is what “trust the science” looked like back then

[@erikaantonsson9327]

Let me just add a little something here: lobotomies weren't banned everywhere in 1967. The last lobotomy in Sweden wasn't performed until two years later. According to Wikipedia (so take this with a grain of salt), lobotomies were still performed in France up until the 80s.

[@michellec1546]

From what I have read they didn’t all stop in the US after the ban either. I would think many resulted in death due to the number of Potters graves at many of these institutions. The states mental hospital where I grew up was known as being very inhumane. Even in the late 70s/ early 80s they treated the patients awful. I use to play piano with a group at the local hospital. We all had the same teacher and she encouraged it. It was horrifying to see people treated worse than rabid animals and no one explained anything to use before hand or afterward. It just gave me a huge distrust of authority figures that still lingers in me to this day.

[@Capyrate]

Well, that's comforting. I'm French and was born in 1991 and am dealing with mental health issues, which were difficult to handle when I was younger. That's terrifying to imagine that I could have been lobotomized just like that, had I been born a couple years sooner. 😭

[@pinkcupcake8020]

Thank you for mentioning this. In Germany lobotomies were not performed anymore roughly since the 1970s. But they changed the name and there are some procedures which are slightly different and still allowed in Germany if there is a "good" medical reason for it. Germany is not as modern as it pretends to be. Fields like psychology still need to be updated in Germany. Germany needs to receive way LESS credit in fields like those when the impact of having a large nation like Germany mess up humane treatment of patients is just too big. Since Germany has impacted some fields a lot it is important to be very critical of what our current knowledge is on those topics. Because the risk is way too high for patients to be abused and many still are abused today.

[@obscurelyvague]

@@michellec1546 Bang your pots and pans

[@ericparrish1515]

So you're saying that the frontal lobes grow in after about 2 years???

[@deskslam4232]

The person who invented the lobotomy deserved a lobotomy himself, not an award.

[@NayaRuth]

This!!

[@phillipproussier3723]

@@NayaRuth Hey Naya, don't be so ruth-less. 💀

[@yuzuki_seo5209]

​@@phillipproussier3723 😎

[@notlisztening9821]

If you think about what people at the time (and some still today) know about consciousness, you have to view their actions from a different angle (at least a little bit). If your view is being influenced by your religious convictions, you may come to the conclusion that your mind is an unaltered "spirit", that is not bound to your body. (free will and all that). Thus you may come to the wrong conclusion, that if someone behaves differently, there must be something wrong with his brain. The mental leap to that pathology being fixable isn't all that huge.

[@phillipproussier3723]

@@yuzuki_seo5209

[@babyturkey8342]

I honestly thought a lobotomy put everybody in a vegetative state...I didn't know that people could keep talking and thinking and laughing etc after getting one..that's disgustingly incredible and as somebody who had PTSD, severe anxiety, depression, anxious attachment style and ADHD I can confidently say I'd never want a lobotomy. I'd much rather live thr way I am now, getting help in therapy and healing in a normal and safe way. This is devastating

[@justine_holloway]

that's a lot of labels you've got there

[@ellzedd4113]

It's beneficial for some people when done properly. It was marketed for profit. Humans never stop being barbaric.

[@srijanshiwang]

@@justine_holloway people think its cool throwing these words around these days

[@PACbelltech1]

​@@justine_holloway the lobotomy may be the best choice 😂

[@IhateAlot718]

Jesus, you got to stop letting reddit make you think you got all these disorders. Y'all be doing too much. Everyone on reddit is a self admitted autistic, ADHD, anxiety ,

[@frankswildyear]

Human history is terrifying…the horror we’ve put others through is shameful

[@phridays]

They did this to my grandmother, they gave her shock treatment to try to cure her depression following a divorce. She lost speech function and was almost impossible to communicate with. I was told she was just ill or like that throughout my youth until my aunt told me the truth. My dad refuses to talk about it. It's a shadow cast on my family, I don't know the whole story either. It will die with me, my kids will never know. Humans are something else.

[@cynthiakeller5954]

Can you ask your mother? She will know family secrets. My greataunt had the same done to her. Of course my grandmother never told me but my mom sure enough did. My great aunt's story would have died too. But she will live on in memory bc I have told my granddaughter the story as well as my siblings (I'm the oldest). My great aunt will not be a sidenote of sadness, lost to the sands of time. Her life will be remembered and celebrated. I will do that since her own family would not. Why not pursue your grandmother's story? She deserves to be remembered. At an appropriated age your kids should know her story. Let them know she was not a helpless lunatic, she was real. There may be a family history of depression that can be treated early and family members don't need to suffer alone and in silence. If your gm spent time/died in an asylum, there will be records. Since your gm cannot speak, let you give her side. Flesh out her bones. It's a sensitive subject for some but we must seek the truth and get the skeletons out of the closet.

[@jj-if6it]

shock therapy actually works for some people; it was the only thing that helped a family friend's depression after her daughter committed suicide

[@Speer788]

They should get told this just so something similar wouldn't happen in the future.

[@cynthiakeller5954]

@@Speer788 Also applies to everything going on in the current world political climate. Information/knowledge is powerful as long as there is not a political agenda behind it.

[@benberlin57]

My family and I sometimes joke that I was born in the wrong decade/century being something of an armchair history enthusiast (see: nerd). I am also on the autism spectrum so seeing these videos and my knowledge of history makes me quite glad to be in the 21st century (for certain definitions of gratitude). Had I been born in the 1930s, it is quite likely I would have been lobotomized or sentenced to an asylum. I'd be a drooling mess if not dead before my 18th birthday (I'm 30). For all that I appreciate some of the glamorous aspects of the past, human history is rather icky, to say the least.

[@liviemillie6455]

It's a disgusting, ableist procedure. Especially since people just had depression and such ... honestly a pretty scary and triggering topic for me If anyone deserves a lobotomy, it's the people who think they're a good idea in the first place. I know that's kind of an oxymoron but you get the point. I'm terrified of a future where we perform these on people who disagree with us.

[@inuterobleached_outtareach009]

An eye for an eye turns the whole world blind

[@Undefinedde]

Ndiyo

[@Jtronique]

May I help with this? It was also for me too. If you have not checked out the work of R.D Laing, he was the Rockstar of Scottish psychologists. He advocated for patient rights. He wasn't perfect and made a lot of mistakes, but he became extremely popular for his radical approach in blaming the system, rather than patients. The BBC series epi "F* you buddy" explains how Laing used early computers and surveys to determine the level of estrangement WITHIN families, with the patient's opinion as a part of the process. David Tennant plays Laing in the movie "Mad to be normal", which is free on VUDU. learning of such things, despite the failures Laing went through, made me take great heart. Hope this helps you.

[@Pimps-R-us]

We should still be doing this to everyone in the Alphabet community. In all honesty, it really is a mental condition that needs treated this way !

[@inuterobleached_outtareach009]

@@Pimps-R-us 🤔 No.

[@ItsTristan1st]

The Soviet Union banned the procedure in 1950 on the grounds that it was inhumane and in no way helped the patient. That should make you think a bit.

[@thatoneintrovert9618]

This isn't surgery, it's torture.

[@SirRobo242]

That’s just life bruh

[@ricorodriguez4085]

You’ll be fine

[@Venusssxxx]

well no shit Sherlock thx for pointing out the obvious💀

[@bohdansmoldas337]

no

[@rusty3073]

@@SirRobo242 But should life be like that?

[@PPedroFernandes]

As a portuguese, I need to stand up for my man Egas Moniz and clarify something. There's two things I would like to point out: 1- As we can see at 7:25, the lobotomy is a sequel to the prefrontal leucotomy developed by Moniz. Moniz operation was far less drastic and had much less severe side effects. They work on the same principle sure, but I wish people wouldn't mix them up as the same thing 2- He didn't just invent the prefrontal leucotomy. Most notably he invented the Cerebral angiography, still used today to check blood vessels in the brain. This was mostly why he won the Nobel prize (as he was nominated for it 4 times). It just accumulated with the prefrontal leucotomy

[@victor_silva6142]

That makes more sense. I see.

[@tzeze]

[PT] Obrigado, Pedro, pelo esclarecimento. || [EN] Thank you, Pedro, for clarifying it.

[@aight33]

So? That changes absolutely nothing.

[@LordBLB]

@@aight33 Sure it does. There were 2 people mentioned in this video. Moniz, who was an actual doctor, trying to actually help people. As Pedro said, he's responsible for more than just the lobotomy. And then there's Freeman, who was a salesman, not a doctor. Freeman was the one mainly responsible for so many people getting a Lobotomy when they absolutely didn't need one. Remember, doctors were (and still are) learning about humans and how they work, physically and mentally. I mean, they had only just discovered Penicillin in 1928. Not long before that, they were still draining people's blood as a "cure" for sickness. People were given Opium (Laudanum - a mixture of alcohol & morphine) as a pain killer. Because... it worked. They just didn't know about how bad the side effects were yet. The craziest part tho? That family members could have YOU committed because they didn't want to deal with you anymore, and you didn't have a say in it at all. That part is the truly scary part.

[@mulan7015]

We are not talking about Portugal right now.

[@vers4662]

I'm happy I'm alive in the 21st century where these types of inhumane shits aren't "normal" anymore

[@All_praise4Allah]

You really think thats true? Today is even worse but its in disquise, yiu cant see it, but you unknowingly accept it. Dig deep.

[@vers4662]

@@All_praise4Allah how so ? I mean if things like these are brought to public eyes today then these kind of acts will ne immediately boycotted

[@jesshorn257]

you may want to look into big pharma and all mood prescriptions that are over used... turn a person into a zombie is wrong no matter the means used

[@painterken2542]

@@vers4662 and how many Americans are currently addicted to pain killers.. and how many youth are told they need drugs to cure adhd ..add and all the other ailments? It sometimes takes a generation or 2 for things to come to light..all these things they speak of in the video..now is treated with drugs..many addictive.. harmful side effects..some time worse than the ailment..

[@pastelpanta2966]

@@painterken2542 I have to eat pills because of something my mother did Basically I made allegations against my parents for being abusive and they instead went and got me a diagnosis of schizophrenia to say I was just delusional/hallucinating. It’s not fucking fair and I had to go to the mental hospital because of it. It was a low Tier one. At this rate I don’t think mental illness exists anymore. We just oppress the lowest of society. I don’t think there’s anymore hope for this society because many people are wrong. No matter how I try nobody will believe in me. I was also very intelligent and in gifted places but my parents ruined everything. I’m still trying but people are horrible people. I haven’t been able to get out and not many people are helping. I hate everyone and I will get revenge one day.

[@cataclysmkataklysm]

Now, tell me if you were born in the wrong age. Just be glad you, and me, arent suffering this nightmare.

[@211sweetypie]

You forgot about Frances Farmer. She was an American actress in the early thirties who was committed to an asylum and was given a lobotomy for violet and aggressive behaviors. There was a noticeable calmer change to her behavior after the procedure, but as mentioned in this video, she lived the rest of her life in seclusion.

[@filipesaz]

Damn, this is scary stuff. - The part about the family being able to condemn one to this... is downright terrifying. - I would be much better off if they cut both my legs than if they cut my brain.

[@env0x]

imagine having adhd or some shit and your relatives all voting unanimously to have the circuits in your brain snipped like a vasectomy. except instead of not being able to make your own offspring now you're not able to make your own thoughts.

[@kenziej4301]

Very optimistic thinking..

[@therideneverends1697]

yeah you can get a wheelchair but your brain is what makes you you, horror show shit

[@noididntlmao]

I've seen lots of disturbing things, but this was the most disturbing thing of all. This is like straight out of a horror film wtf. I'm glad it's banned now. Let's keep pushing for even more humane ways of treating people!

[@superzmz]

gd players getting this in their recommended:

[@Melonplayer6]

Fire in the hole

[@superzmz]

Fire in the hole

[@Custom26621]

I fired into the hole

[@superzmz]

fire in my ole

[@MyledBlaze]

Fire in the hole

[@donenglish7572]

I worked in a mental institution in the 70's. It wasn't active psychiatry because the patients were from the 2nd world war who had come home shell shocked or, what is now known as ptsd. They had all been given lobotomies, sometimes up to 5 or 6. Many had lost the ability to speak or do anything other than sit and stare out the window. Most had long since been abandoned by their families and the head psychiatrist was one of the most evil people I had ever encountered. He would badger the few patients who could actually converse until they got pissed off. He would laugh and have the nurse give them a tranquilizer and thrown into a room with nothing but an old mattress. Lobotomies cure nothing but the caregivers need to actually help them. I lasted a year and a half before I had to quit. I started researching psychiatry after that and have come to the conclusion that it's basically designed as a method of control. There is no help to be found at the hands of a psychiatrist.

[@souldancersbyjennifer]

Wow...that's like a classic psychiatry horror story there...

[@billiejomcmillan7632]

That's terrible.

[@chrissy2844]

Psychiatry can and does help some people. It has saved lives. This is about lobotomies.

[@donenglish7572]

@@chrissy2844 After working for an organization that catalogs psychiatric abuses, and from personal experience, I know of not 1 person who has been helped by a psychiatrist. All they do now is give prescriptions for life destroying psych drugs.

[@ustanchy869]

@@donenglish7572 Anecdotal experiences don’t accurately represent most of reality, so I’m a little skeptical of this generalization. Not to mention, the time period and location(s) in which you experienced all of this being a huge factor.

[@rogerinataylor1225]

Let's not forget that Rosemary Kennedy was more calmer afterwards because she was in even worse state. She got paralyzed and mentally got even worse. So basically they took her whole life away from her.

[@anderstermansen130]

dont worry, it was only a woman. Its not like it was a human or something.

[@spring9860]

@@anderstermansen130 wtf?

[@juniamcc35]

That's exactly what her father did.

[@juniamcc35]

@@spring9860 it's called "sarcasm".

[@lingo5970]

i have an autistic friend its hard to think about the fact that that could happen to him just because he can't cope with noises or being touched without going into a violent ball. I have autism to they would do that just because we don't fit in, its shocking.

[@paulbienvenu5494]

Sorry for your autism. They did this to you too. Medicine isnt any better now

[@soniczforever5470]

Good to see it was banned

[@coffintears5821]

@@paulbienvenu5494 autism is nothing to be sorry about

[@NatureLover-pj2qe]

I’m autistic too

[@dawnburns880]

Wow, that's amazing. I wish more people with autistic would speak out..

[@stardrip1V]

i'm autistic and it's scary to think this probably would've happened to me if i lived in that time

[@lordstumpy2945]

The video: "could we be wrong in banning Lobotomy?" Also the video: Why Lobotomy is the Worst Surgery in History

[@cursedpup]

deja vu

[@robertallen9570]

The idea of a lobotomy actually makes me lightheaded, can’t believe it was ever a thing

[@Thinkingisallowed]

Same here

[@stevengillroy2405]

Wait till you hear about sex changes. There's more than one way to irrevocably break a person.

[@1EmilieS]

its making me stiff and paranoid

[@Mark-bw1wx]

now they lobotomize people with psychiatric drugs

[@simiedulay]

Its literally so traumatic to even imagine something like that ....Glad Howard survived & was able to write about his struggles!! But my heart breaks for those who couldn't survive & those who had to suffer all their lives because of this brutal procedure💔

[@alabamacoastie6924]

My friend's mother, a very kind woman, shot herself after having a lobotomy performed on her years ago. I was shocked to hear that she had done that just weeks after the "surgery." She must have been in agony.

[@m.bird.]

Existential agony, the worst kind