This Is Why Magnus Hates Classical!

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Firouzja, Alireza (2777) - Carlsen, Magnus (2835)
Julius Baer Generation Cup Div 1 Winners (chess24.com) [12] 2023.09.01
B48 Sicilian, Taimanov variation
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Be3 a6 7.Qf3 Nf6 8.O-O-O Ne5 9.Qg3 h5 10.Ndb5 axb5 11.Nxb5 Qb8 12.Bb6 Nxe4 13.Qe3 Rxa2 14.Kb1 Ra4 15.Nc7+ Ke7 16.Rd4 Rxd4 17.Qxd4 f6 18.Qxe4 d5 19.Qe1 Kf7 20.f4 Bd6 21.Nb5 Nc6 22.g3 Bd7 23.Qd2 h4 24.Bg2 hxg3 25.hxg3 Rxh1+ 26.Bxh1 Bb4 27.Qh2 Ne7 28.Nd4 Qd6 29.Qh5+ Kf8 30.Bd8 Bc5 31.Qh8+ Ng8 32.Nb3 Bb6 33.Bxb6 Qxb6 34.f5 Qg1+ 35.Ka2 Qxg3 36.Nc5 Qd6 37.fxe6 Bxe6 38.Nd3 Bf5 39.Qh5 Ne7 40.Qh8+ Kf7 41.Qh5+ Bg6 42.Qe2 Qa6+ 43.Kb1 Bxd3 44.cxd3 Qe6 45.Qh5+ g6 46.Qh7+ Ke8 47.Bf3 Kd7 48.Bd1 Qe1 49.Kc1 Qe3+ 50.Kc2 g5 51.Qh8 f5 52.Qb8 b6 53.Kc3 Qc5+ 54.Kd2 Qb4+ 55.Kc2 g4 56.Kb1 Qd4 57.Ka2 Nc6 58.Qb7+ Kd6 59.Qh7 Nb4+ 60.Ka3 Nxd3 61.Qh6+ Ke5 62.Qh2+ Ke4 63.Qg2+ Kf4 64.Qd2+ Qe3 65.Qh2+
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The Julius Baer Generation Cup, the 5th event on the $2 million 2023 Champions Chess Tour, features three Divisions of 8, 16 and 32 players. Each division is a double-elimination knockout where if you lose one match you drop down to a Losers bracket and can still win the tournament. In the Grand Final if the player from the Winners bracket loses, there's a rematch. The total prize fund is $235,000, with a top prize of $30,000 (150 Tour points) in Division I, $10,000 in Division II (50 points) and $5,000 (20 points) in Division III. The top 3 in Division I and the winner of Division II qualify straight to Division I of the next event on the Tour.
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[@Stfugb2s]

The format is called Double Elimination. Meaning you have to lose twice to be out. Magnus and Alireza were playing the final of the winner’s or “upper” bracket.

[@AlphaLackey]

Exactly. In North America, there's "Winner's Bracket" and "Loser's Bracket" or "A side / B side" if you will. Winner here wins the Winner's Bracket.

[@dalekerr5091]

the usual format of backgammon tournaments

[@juliens.2616]

Pretty standard in online gaming

[@zaraxoxoxox]

Ok

[@zaraxoxoxox]

Cool

[@melzz]

Watching this live was so crazy, all hope for Magnus was lost when the bar evaluation show almost full white, but just one inaccuracies, not even a blunder, could made the game turn around and bit by bit Magnus bar was raising and finally won the game. Just another crazy stuff by Magnus. It must be really scary to play against him, just one slight inaccuracy after 99 percent perfect moves could rob you from the victory you deserved. And it’s not even a draw but a loss. So devastating.

[@dodekaedius]

The eval bar doesn't evaluate, how the players see the game. So it's nonsense to think the eval bar is "knowing" who will win

[@miscwatching8993]

I like your comment but IMO if you lose in the end you did not deserve the victory, no matter the circumstances. Edit: Unless you have a heart attack while playing with one move to mate or something lol

[@OK-uf5ly]

​@@dodekaediusahh another those typee of player bruhh the eval bar never tells who will win it's just tell whose position is better

[@ilikecommenting6849]

You guys are being pedantic. The eval bar gives which position is winning (if there is a winning position). To expect that top players with 85%+ accuracy will convert a winning position to an actual win, is a very reasonable expectation. Therefor, to say that a top player with a winning position is currently winning, is am accurate statement.

[@miscwatching8993]

@@ilikecommenting6849 Pedantic guy accusing others of being pedantic. Social media at its finest

[@ethanatkins1973]

Double elimination is a two bracket system. I think the more accurate names of both brackets are upper bracket and lower bracket, but it is commonly referred to as winner's and loser's. Everyone has to lose twice to be eliminated but the finals is always determined by having someone who never lost vs someone who has lost once. It's a nice change of pace, even if it feels weird to give the grand final an obvious advantage to one player (who earned it by winning all their games prior), but the cool part is sometimes a player who lost in the first round wins it all by beating the player who never lost in two matches right at the end. It's an interesting system.

[@jacobstewart9139]

It's a very common system for video game tournaments

[@RemigioMatheus]

He's a dream crusher.

[@thetree1994]

🎵 Don’t you mess around with him 🎵

[@druxkro4442]

He is the current best no doubt, but he was fortunate Alireza didn’t find the queen b3 move.

[@bigv8820]

​@@druxkro4442we can the same of any game, that the opponent failed to find a move, so it doesn't really matter.

[@KesshinOfficial]

magnus be like i just quit being a champion and now im going to be another champion

[@blue_red_screen]

Carlsen struggled in the norway chess but has since gone on a rampage

[@sekainiheiwa3650]

Keymer wasn't blundering but unfortunately lost,...Alireza also lost 3:0 without a single blunder. Blunder is a powerful tactic in chess adopted by Magnus alone.

[@chefcarry2902]

In classical but in Armageddon he's destroying everyone

[@hypercubemaster2729]

​@@fdaa3154 It's only weakening because he is demotivated to play it. Lack of motivation is one of the the biggest causes of failure in pretty much anything in life.

[@Symbioticism]

@@fdaa3154 I agree that he would have lost if he hadn't won.

[@Symbioticism]

@@fdaa3154 I think it was his weakest performance of the tournament, but when it turns on one move from the opposition, that is just the way chess works. These counter-factuals are pointless.

[@WhittleDragon]

This game was too hype to not have a slow motion replay in it. Magnus is just on another level lately.

[@vcliburn]

Okay, Alireza missed that Qb3 move which would have won the game. But given the complexity of the position and the time constraints for BOTH players, I would hardly call the move that Alireza's made, Rd4, a "blunder"...no more than I would call Magnus' h5 move in the late opening a "blunder". That's why today's top engines can easily defeat any one of the super grandmasters alive. Humans cannot...and do not...play "perfect" chess. Because if they did, then they'd be no need for engines, or even for the game of chess any longer!

[@cz19856]

Usually this is called the winner's final

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

It’s just winners finals and losers finals. Easy to understand if you just know there are 2 brackets. A winners side bracket and a loser side bracket You only get eliminated from the tournament if you get eliminated from both the winners side first, then the losers side, hence double elimination tournaments. Grand finals is between the winners bracket finalist and the losers bracket finalist. Coming from the winners side has the advantage of needing to be eliminated twice in grand finals because it is still double elimination. The losers finalist has already been eliminated once so they don’t have that luxury

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

Yeah he should really just show the bracket(s), it makes it super easy to understand. Btw I like that format, leaves a little bit of room for an upset while still rewarding consistency more than a single elimination bracket like at the world cup. And who doesn't love a big surprise comeback from the losers side?

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

@@guillaumelagueyte1019 Yes me too. Double elimination brackets are my favorite, but especially when someone strong loses early on and has to go on a losers run

[@tomhejda6450]

He wanted to resign on move 64, that's why he prolonged. But missed it by a move.

[@proosee]

Double-elimination bracket is very well established in some disciplines and I personally really like it - it still has this a thrill of knockout tournament, but a player has always a second chance in losers ladder, which is more fair than pure cup system. So in that system, the player that loses in winners ladder goes to the losers ladder and face winners winner in a second match, which I guess is quite mouthful, but in the end very logical.

[@Dangerman-Original]

This video was Beautiful. You are the master. Very entertaining. Very succinct and very much appreciated sir. Thank You so much!

[@chessjess510]

They are in winners finals. Alireza will go down to losers finals and the winner of losers finals will play Magnus in grand finals. Magnus only has to win one set in grand finals whereas whoever wins losers finals would have to beat Magnus twice. It’s a common system in competitive video games.

[@christopherstanley9997]

Agad is a starcraft fan so I'm pretty sure he understands how double elim brackets work, I think it was a comment more aimed at viewers who perhaps wouldn't know

[@ro9737]

Watched this live, eval bar had Alireza completely winning when Magnus queen and bishop were trapped in the corner. Leave it to Magnus to squeeze water from a stone

[@zelandakhniteblade5436]

Not sure what counts as top-tier these days but 9...h5 has been played by at least 4 GMs and various other Masters. In addition, if white is genuinely caught by surprise, the logical continuation is 10. f4 Neg4; 11. Bg1, which transposes back to one of the main lines. 11. Ndb5 strongly suggests that Firouzja was fully prepared for this "never played" move. I think the continuation that maybe slightly threw him was 12. Nxe4, since the stem game for this variation (Tukaeva-Murzin 2015) continued 12...Rxa2 with a quick win for white.

[@Scofield9975]

Agad knows how to attract viewers instantly. According to title, people will think that Magnus lost the game amd viewers will watch the video to see how it happened. If title suggested Magnus won, then everyone knows its not a big deal and they may skip the video

[@alexCh-ln2gw]

master of clickbait?

[@user-bj7um9uj6r]

Good sales with good ads

[@Scofield9975]

@@alexCh-ln2gw Maybe. Losing or winning But who cares if its Magnus's match.

[@melzz]

Yeah, like people will skip Magnus game. just see all video on this channel with Magnus in it, all have high view

[@dodekaedius]

I felt spoiled from the title, because I knew he won against firouzja.

[@emailjwr]

#suggestion this is called the "Winner's Finals" so as to avoid confusion with the "Loser's Finals" and "Grand Finals". Winner's and Loser's are also sometimes called Upper Bracket and Lower Bracket.

[@zesui4917]

It is called winners final, it’s much easier to understand if you call it that. 0:15

[@shaktidevii]

Awesome~!

[@Kavan5797]

#Suggestion please show us both games between Fabi & Nodirbek. Fabi crushed in the first one with brilliant opening prep that’s a crazy miniature Second Fabi had a position that he could win even in his sleep but one slight inaccuracy all went south

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

Hi Antonio, in case you read this, just seeing the bracket makes double elimination extremely clear. And to summarize, you have to lose two matches/sets to be out of the tournament, if you're the last remaining who didn't lose twice, then you win

[@mylifemyhacks4283]

Everyone die, but who will put last person in the grave

[@anshumanraj2017]

But if magnus loses in the final, then he would have lost only once and he still loses🤔

[@dodekaedius]

​@@anshumanraj2017no, he also is allowed to lose once

[@shannonjones8877]

​​@@anshumanraj2017if you lose in the grand final coming from winner's side, you go to loser's, meaning play continues until one of the players is eliminated from the loser's bracket.

[@MusicALLyes]

The greatest of all time because of an actual reason

[@lorenzotessiore5002]

great game agadmator always doing good content!

[@BaddAtom]

my words exactly!

[@nishanthnellutla]

Simply brutal 🥶

[@yashraut4962]

Magnus always used to bring his opponent in a zugzwang position,someway or the other.I think this is his biggest strength.

[@stoutlager6325]

The easiest way to refer to the finals in double elimination brackets is winner's final, loser's final, and grand final. Most younger viewers will already be familiar with this as it's a very common format in video game tournaments.

[@user-ee1lo1il3f]

it's actually 15+3 btw, not 10+2

[@Majora96]

Could you share the time format at the beginning of the video instead of the end

[@suginami123]

One of the best aggressive games ever.

[@michaelmassaro4375]

Suggestion # Mamedyarov Shakhriyar vs Samuel Sevian or any of the Nordibek Lazavik Wins from their Matches vs Wesley and Fabiano

[@Genagen]

It has official names. Upper bracket finale, lower bracket finale, grand finale.

[@awriter1214]

Magnus in grinding mode. Wanna see him keep doing this. Wanna see him making comebacks, perhaps even for the WCC

[@markrobertson3054]

Why would he come for wcc? For what point

[@shuvro40]

From winning to losing, Alireza kind of played like us.

[@fozzmaniac7053]

Using the term 'upper bracket finals' is easier and less confusing

[@andys_industries]

this thumbnail is hard I love it

[@cloudforest4087]

Excellent game.

[@akaezesamuel4688]

Please what variation of the Taimanov Sicilian defense is it, can anyone spell it out. I have always been confused

[@prsancho]

Double-elimination is not confusing. It just means that: you are eliminated by losing twice. This was a match between unbeaten players. So neither could be eliminated. In this case, they were the only 2 unbeaten players remaining. So, the winner would qualify to the Grand Final undefeated, which is an advantage. The GF is played by a player with no defeat against a player with one loss. The one-loss player needs to win twice; the undefeated player, only once.

[@carlingtonme]

You can only play the opponent in front of you,and the mistakes are always there waiting to be played...Tal would love this

[@Trip_Fontaine]

I was a little confused about how White is "much better" in the hypothetical line at 5:28. Black has a rook, 2 knights, and 2 pawns in place of White having a queen. Isn't this a huge material advantage? True Black's pieces are underdeveloped, but there aren't even any immediate threats from White on the board. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard for Black to at least hold this to a draw.

[@somenormalpie]

The light squared bishop and knight in he corner at completely useless, and the rook and other knight are not doing much. Alireza would be able to attack the black king

[@Trip_Fontaine]

@@somenormalpie Thanks for the response. I guess I'm underestimating how badly paralyzed Magnus's pieces are. I also didn't notice that the knight in the corner probably can be trapped.

[@nir9670]

1:10 caught me lol

[@michaelmassaro4375]

Suggestion # Alireza vs Lazavik final Game between the two Julius Bauer

[@jigglybongs]

Firouzja must have been furious after 1st game hahaha

[@user-mu6ci8zp7w]

#suggestion bassem amin vs Yakubboev, Nodirbek 2nd game fabulous miniature!

[@qweds3127]

What a game !

[@Cristian-wp8ex]

In 13:52, what happens if white plays b3? Because if black plays Rb4; Ba5, Nc6; Bx4, Nxb4; Qxe5, Nc6; Nb5

[@arunmani7762]

Good game🎉

[@nichgnoynat]

Magnus bringing poker concept to chess by bluffing his way to victory

[@arunbeckham8384]

That's the kind of champion I really want to watch.

[@JessLee0530]

Magnus is in the midst of clearing the side quests.

[@miroslavstankov7919]

Magnus's real name is... Well, he doesn't have a real name. His series' name is T-1000.

[@patpowers9210]

Grand Finals are SO much more exciting than Finals! We need to push this line hard. Beyond Grand Final you could have Ultimate Grand Final. And beyond Ultimate Grand Final you could have Super Ultimate Grand Final! And then Mega Super Ultimate Grand Finals! That would put "Finals" in their place!

[@shannonjones8877]

You're memeing but double elimination tournaments are superior.

[@grammarnazi9440]

I am beginning to feel like a chess god

[@tristanducasse6862]

Paul Morphy wasted life chess quote

[@thewayithastobe]

@@tristanducasse6862 Back then you couldn't make millions as a sponsor and drive as the face of a chess app on your phone. I bet Morphy would be on TikTok right now selling out his chess skills if he could

[@zaraxoxoxox]

Yes

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

Why call a final a final when it isn't really final? They should finally figure out what is the real final.

[@dodekaedius]

Dive deeper into double elimination and you get it. It's not that hard. At least complaining is easier, so there's always that option.

[@tremortremor092]

i do understand but looking at the bracket makes it easier to get. winners final is the final match of the winners side of the bracket losers final is the final match of the loser side of the bracket then the winner of those two would then move on to the grand finale to see the true winner

[@shannonjones8877]

It's called "winner's final" because going into this match they are the last two players that never lost a set. Following this is "loser's final" where both players are the last remaining to only lose one set (you have to lose twice to be eliminated from the tournament). Then "grand final" is the match between the player who hasn't lost a set (winner coming from winner's bracket) and the last player left to only lose one set (winner coming from loser's bracket).

[@piyushbansal47]

#suggestion Alexander Morozevich Vs Magnus Carlsen, Blitz Chess Tal Memorial-2013

[@AR-pi8uv]

You need an evaluation bar

[@zebra3stripes]

Crazier Dave may have won the finals, but he'll most likely have to face Craziest Dave in the grand finals. Is was the early loss that made him go completely nuts and destroy everyone in the losers' bracket.

[@fredvomjupiter8849]

What is with Bishop to b5 instead of Queen to b3 after black played King to e7 ?

[@davidkimura3034]

King Magnus keeps on rolling!

[@realAdiSingh]

This is called Upper Bracket final.

[@AndersonNeo12]

Magnus is THE ENDGAME Boss , on hardest difficulty

[@bryantcullen1377]

Who is playing in the Super Mega, Final Grand Final, of the Finals?

[@carlsidgwick5854]

Finally some one says it:)

[@bryantcullen1377]

@@carlsidgwick5854 It's getting crazy. The Final and then Grand Final; the final of the losers bracket and the final of the winners bracket...dear lord. The word "Final" is pretty clear.

[@abelin5568]

Since Carlson has reservation regarding Classical Chess, how about implementing an Opening Ballot System? Draughts and Pool Checkers uses this system!

[@OmarAhmed-es8qr]

#suggestion please show Amin vs. Aronian from the loser's bracket finished earlier today.

[@chopinfanclub6672]

It’s called upper bracket finals

[@alexCh-ln2gw]

@@ensiehsafary7633 here to play Nocturne No 20 in C Sharp Minor to help with alireza's crying after this loss.

[@oly200x]

What a game...

[@aliparandeh6973]

tomorrow, Alireza will answer all his haters in the grand final!

[@aliince9372]

3:28 Why not Bishop to A7? Threaten to queen, force the trade on the rook. IF the continue to trade, and take the knight after the bishop rook exchange, you take theirs... right?

[@Jonathan-ec9pp]

white is already down a piece. After all of those trades black would end up with 2 minor pieces for the rook, and also white's pressure would have vanished

[@aliince9372]

@@Jonathan-ec9pp Thank you.

[@irfanhuda5207]

One move off the pattern and a gm crumbles.

[@grantross2609]

........to be frank quite a confusing event !

[@schollnickadver]

at 6:46 mark, nc4?

[@rickharold7884]

Up a pawn. RIP

[@nomitvora]

Its time to show games of Divya Deshmukh another superstar from India

[@RockHudrock]

❤

[@mridulshukla5527]

Use Eliminator or Qualifier instead of final and grandfinal

[@samuelsimon4854]

Why do you have their classical ratings on a rapid game?

[@vlad.i.ionita]

The real question is...Which Dave is crazier?

[@markrobertson3054]

Magnus 2839*

[@dylanmushonga8544]

How did Alireza not find that move, it was not like a crazy engine move, it was well within a GM ‘s ability

[@dodekaedius]

Be under pressure from Magnus, and I bet, it could happen, you wouldn't remember your birthday or mother's last name, if pressured immensely

[@miscwatching8993]

@@dodekaedius Also - Alireza's family was watching. That's got to add a decent amount of pressure as well, especially considering he's still pretty young

[@rlbella]

So the "Final" is actually the Semi-Final.....and the " Grand Final" is the Final......

[@irvandipawangsa3609]

Pustakov Papapipip Munaroh!

[@sjouanny]

I still imagine Magzy would be almost unbeatable in classical...but it clearly bores him. I must admit the decline in quality in rapid/blitz from how these guys play in classical time control is a bit annoying now and then.

[@adershgr]

just Tricks up ur sleeve is not enough to be the chosen one

[@goose5462]

FIzzy playing slow as usual and getting absolutely stomped. I remember when people thought Fizzy was the next one, seems unlikely when players like prog actually playing good chess.

[@ForeverHobbit]

for once i'm gonna flex it, i found B3 in less than 30 seconds.

[@gelatinousjoe7979]

As an FGC player, hearing agadmator describe a double elimination bracket like it’s bizarre makes me laugh

[@LEESS1005]

I just LOVE this channel,thank you for such an INTELLECTUAL INTELLIGENT and supremely thought provoking channel.especially your pause the video for a moment moments.

[@khiemtran4844]

So basically, Magnus won every thing.

[@markrobertson3054]

3-0 against alireza Magnus is the past, present and future

[@FormostPanda]

Double elimination.

[@joebonek4102]

magnus hates classics, because sometimes we have 7 hours in a game and the result is still a draw..

[@anthonyschlott916]

My mind goes back to the WCC with Ian where he was clearly winning and just sitting there looking like he was at the dentists. That image of how bored he looked is just seared into my mind.

[@BlckJack123]

Why not have a grand grand final?

[@kunalsingh4418]

It would happen in a way, cause Magnus would also get a second chance if he loses grand final. It's double elimination after all. But probably shorter time format.

[@Shootskas]

It was always my opinion that the winner of the loser's bracket should have to beat the winner of the winner's bracket twice. Some organizations don't do this, like in the LLWS.

[@blue_red_screen]

Isn't that how it is in chess? The winner of the top bracket has an extra life.

[@renishisrael9520]

Its actually like that only in Chess

[@Shootskas]

@@renishisrael9520 So the losers bracket has to beat the winners bracket twice?

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

You are all wrong. The loser bracket winner always has to beat the winners bracket winner twice in grand finals. It is double elimination. There is no extra life. They all need to be eliminated twice. Winners bracket winner has never been eliminated so they need to lose twice in grand finals

[@blue_red_screen]

@@goodguycwyzz4768 the winner of the winner's bracket has an extra life in the grand final because they're still unbeaten 🙄

[@jsrjsr]

Magnus is champion even if he isn't.

[@oraz.]

what about just f3?

[@dodekaedius]

What about ALT f4?

[@tokonjudo]

Repecharge!

[@williamwallace4080]

12:09 discovered check leads to checkmate