This is why the pocketed Hanzo meta tilts everyone

8000+ hours of Hanzo experience, explaining why the season 9 Hanzo is so frustrating to play with and against.
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[@Arrge]

Sorry for the lack of uploads, feeling so burned out Edit: confused why people think mercy is the problem here. If you would take out dmg boost hanzo winrate would drop to 40%

[@ryancollins5679]

never be ashamed for taking the time you need to live your life. Keep doing you.

[@vale_8050]

The important thing is that you are well, we love you! ❤ (I am ThatsVale :3)

[@ebhaenger8246]

Don't worry. I know some people say you have to keep the grind going for KZbin etc. (algorithm magic) BUT those Hanzo changes look to me like the best opportunity to have a little vacation.

[@stevengowan3615]

take time off if needed. mental health is important

[@manoa8415]

Dude i have no fucking idea how or why you are still able to play this game. They imo ruined hanzo's playstyle completely, literally just a worse version of sojourn s1 but doesn't even feel skillfull to play

[@sniclops15]

Hanzo is the only example of a hero I've seen who gets more hate the more he's nerfed.

[@soberstoners7610]

So true lol

[@ghoulbuster1]

The only option is to buff his damage to 150

[@sebastianpert7625]

The way hanzo is right now it's really frustrating to lose to mercy hanzo because there are a bunch of high rank hanzo players stuck in lower rank lobbies so you either roll them or get rolled when they have hanzo

[@YoGibran]

People will ALWAYS hate a character that has potential one shot capability.

[@sniclops15]

@YoGibran But that's the funny thing. He was literally nerfed to the point that he cannot 1 shot 250s without a Mercy boost, and it somehow made people hate him MORE than when he could 1 shot on his own

[@VodkaStudios777]

That first part is more a commentary on mercy than it is on hanzo.

[@thetaco_007]

Its just insane how much balancing nightmares it takes just to not accept that mercy is the problem. And then the dps gets all the hate instead of the hate being directed at the actual problem in that fight, the mercy ... And thats coming from a support main, its just insane how much balancing gets ruined because of that one hero.

[@broadbunny5472]

As a flex player I agree but dmg boost and Rez are the defining parts of her kit and removing them out would be like removing hook from hog or blink from tracer. Her and zen aren’t really designed for 5v5

[@thetaco_007]

@@broadbunny5472 removing something is always the last resort, i agree. However theyre not even really trying to fix it. Since you brought up zen, it got a lot better when they implemented the discord cooldown imo. Showing that playing around with stuff like that can create a good middle ground

[@Methlone]

@@thetaco_007 Could it help if the dmg boost will downscale the more you use it on one character and in a period of time, it will be max again or something like that? It will force mercy to play with everyone and not pocketing only one player.

[@juztkei]

@@Methlonesee how easy it was too think of this? The company is full of mentally deficient mfs

[@abhishekpg9615]

No need to remove stuff. Just rework them. Remove the ability to hold heal and dmg boost infinitely. Give it a weapon overheating mechanism. Revives should lock the revived character in place for a second or two while remaining vulnerable to damage. This gives time for enemies to finish off the revived character if it is done at open. This will punish all those who attempt to revive disregarding the location or situation.

[@ImAviex]

This video felt like a why Mercy is the MOST HATED HERO in season 9, lol.

[@amaateraasuuu]

lmaooo

[@temmlygaming5509]

Mercy isn't getting much hate this season without a hanzo pharah or echo Otherwise she's just useless

[@user-gk5vw4in8w]

At this point just give hanzo his sword back 'cause the bow aint cutting it

[@Aiyahhhh]

Hanzo should shoot swords tbh

[@enjoygary]

@@Aiyahhhh Hanzo’s ult should be he calls in Genji like B.O.B

[@Aiyahhhh]

@@enjoygary only if he shoots Genji out of his bow

[@shihomonamour]

That's even less damage 😂😂

[@BriaBri]

Hanzo should turn into the dragon from the animated short

[@conradvd7262]

As a physician, I have full confidence that Arrge could do this blindfolded

[@BobBobIsSwag]

As a plumber, I have full confidence that Arrge could do this blindfolded

[@Grimnoire]

Honestly just make habzo do one damage with a bow and give him a dash that damages on contact, give him a secondary ability that fires 3 projectiles in a line or cone, and make his ult an install that gives him a strong melee attack for a bit Also give him s new ability that can deflect projectiles sometimes

[@TLO_Yuri]

Yeah but then we'd have to nerf genji lol

[@jordanyzapata1878]

The good old days. When people were scared to run in a straight line and repeaking corners. I dont even have a duo to mercy pocket me so i guess im shit out of luck until blizzard decides they want to make him skillful again or put hanzo down with dignity and just give him a gun and make him hitscan to complete his transformation.

[@NBASFAN]

In this season we still talking skill? Is hitscan skill when your shots are 50% more likely to hit? I would say Hanzo takes more skill and prediction to even play in this meta when even Junkrat can hit more than you.

[@elibeeblebrox1084]

@@NBASFANIf junkrat is hitting more than your Hanzo, you need to watch more Arrge videos

[@xiBlacKouTzx360]

@@NBASFANdude Hanzos arrow hitbox is like 3x larger than it used to be ? What do you mean harder? He used to take so much more skill.

[@cjerp]

if anything having to hit 2 headshots to kill is more skillful xD

[@NBASFAN]

@@elibeeblebrox1084 what I'm saying is Junk hits shots easier than Hanzo and Hanzo takes more skills to play. You dumb brick.

[@joeyemerace6553]

I’m in high plat on Hanzo and feel completely stuck… teammates rarely follow up on my headshot damage so it’s just wasted. Even if I plan ahead, predict enemy movement, and get that shot, they just hide and then they’re full health. He’s so much less enjoyable to play now.

[@twistertrickk]

cant wait for the next video, really enjoyed the editing and those juicy kills

[@MoistYoghurt]

if hanzo goes back to getting oneshots I'll totally play him again because I headshot someone and they hide and that's kinda it

[@SURVIVEDCHANNEL]

hanzo is getting the phara treatment welcome to the club

[@sublimedhaze7792]

Except they made Pharah fun and completely non reliant on Mercy. Someone had to take her place😂

[@ilkkamiinalainen7116]

Flats, in his most recent live stream talking with the game director (or something?) in which the gd basically promised two reworks, coming up (one of them hopefully very soon!). Unfortunately though the thing that deprives me of hoping hanzo would get a rework is the recent changes with Hanzo which makes it really seem that the devs feel that Hanzo, for some god-forsaken reason feel that Hanzo is in a good place right now. He is not, and the percentage of players playing him dropping by 50% in overbuff also makes it clear players don't like the character

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

i think rather then removing his one shot, they should've made it take longer to charge up. that would've probably been a better nerf, to appease their "less one shot" mindset, while not gutting him as a character.

[@luisibarra7656]

ikr, i love how i gotta draw my one arrow while somebody can unload a full clip of random spray or 3 hitscan bodyshots hoping i land a headshot that doesn't even kill, thats definetely the right direction

[@shihomonamour]

It's already PRETTY long.

[@waferbarr]

Anyone gonna talk about how the dude flaming him in chat's username from streamer mode is Le-Bnana Area: cleared

[@dojo45789]

Hitscans being piss easy to land feels totally fair and fun and not annoying and boring at all. And widow being allowed to oneshot still but hanzo not, and junkrat not being able to 2 shot are very fair balancing, especially when widow has a point and click projectile sized one shot that doesnt even need to hit the head to hit the head

[@GraveOW]

I quit when the changes came out. Waiting for your video talking about how they reverted the changes

[@SebasReyes-xs7ov]

This was a fair, fun and competitive video

[@andrer.6693]

pls show us your rollouts in a full guide video! 🙏

[@Bawkzers]

"I mean he's not wrong" was the best

[@CaZuaLDeMoN]

The thing is normally when one of the DPS is being hard pocketed by a Mercy they think they are the best players in the world. Just that he doesn't know he is talking to Arrge

[@haroldpham6693]

Nerf Mercy? Nah, Nerf Hanzo.

[@scarletl9081]

is this sarcasm because mercy really does not need a nerf

[@loohoo2210]

Actually the worst support rn on the whole roster lol she doesn't need a nerf

[@CarigliaY]

@@loohoo2210 Play against a pocketed Sojourn, Widow, Pharah or Hanzo and then see. Mercy is a problematic hero

[@panadora684]

Mercy during rez: "We restore your tired Hanzo to full health... Would you like to rest your Hanzo?" :D

[@DeikRoschmann-bf1rj]

3:44 why did you say yes ?😭😭😭😭😂😂😂 like bro😂

[@KidouKenshi22]

arrge can you please make a how to play as Hanzo in season 9 without pocket video? Because I have no pocket and I would love to hear you advices

[@JadeRavenn]

first step is to join a tinderwatch custom lobby and charm a pocket mercy then you play with pocket

[@Poppyham]

I only got better at hanzo because of you mister Arrge, thank you for all of these videos and content you provide!

[@causticrevolver]

I love the pokecenter jingle after the rez 😂

[@Deevoo]

Nothing more Ironic than getting called a geek that plays games all day in a GM lobby

[@Breezerous]

I miss the onshots so much, flanking and getting a headshot is just so unsatisfying when it's not a kill

[@4ft1inAlpha]

Omg, this game is crazy lmao. Love your content arrge!!

[@YONKOMUGIWARA5]

Hanzo solution with current damage numbers: proc storm arrow on all full charged bow critical hits xD. replace the dopamine of an elim with a headshot dink sound+ storm arrows auto activating. saw this in a custom game mode this week

[@dosenfischer7138]

It was really just super good gameplay. - great video!

[@AHomicidalPear]

HE PUT MY COMMENT IN THE VID

[@Razgridzero]

The Aron Keller edit was hilarious!!

[@Trakker1985]

I remember those 2 days where Hanzo was disabled for some reason, i had never had so much fun playing Overwatch. Where i didn't have to constantly be on my guard (not that it matters if you're on your guard or not) from a random arrow with a hitbox the size of a tree trunk getting within the same postcode as my head and one shotting me.

[@andy7769]

would you be able to upload some games without mercy pocket? i have hard time finding out how to deal with the hs nerf

[@ajaccio3748]

My goat, hope you had a good rest day yesterday ❤

[@revider8484]

arrge, can you please do a full settings video

[@MKx2077]

If only I had the mercy pocket IRL to succeed in life.

[@johnnydaff]

Finally! New Hanzo gameplay!!

[@sas4367]

Bro be blowing kisses like the hanzo highlight intro

[@goldenrule1037]

This video seems to be more about Mercy than Hanzo.

[@fritzpeter8852]

Nobody ever talks about this, but I think AfterDarkCat always plays an amazing mercy in your streams

[@user-ir2pf5hy9k]

Everybody hate Hanzo EVERYONE loves Hanzo Hasashi

[@meat.]

“hahah abusing…we are shit” GIGACHAD

[@rstyshckls]

3:25 Based Not sure if you were talking about Sha Lin (The one with the bow) but he can't headshot in Paladins (Projectiles in general cannot headshot). His normal arrows take like 40% of a sqishies hp tho and he has cc.

[@WhereDidMyProfilePictureGo]

Broo the thumbnail 💀 😭

[@betofukuji]

After these buffs, everybody is Arrge now.

[@andy7638]

lookin good Arrge! Shaped up beard and looking rested, hope you're taking care of yourself.

[@inl]

Nice video papa! Cómo exploto ese queen

[@drewrandall4194]

@Arrge Don't be sorry for taking a break it is well deseeved! I think the gameplay without the pocket is far better than with. I also agree that 5 more damage would shift the meta enough to let Mercy be so so.

[@sahilm483]

Mercy is the issue rn. Dmg boost should have a reset or limit for e.g 4 seconds per char with like a 6 seconds cooldown or something.

[@yeokaiwen4196]

I rmb sb once commented on another ow vid (discussing the issue with sojourn + mercy being too op) that mercy should be seen as a litmus test for dps balance and I agree. From what I observe, the issue comes abt if there's a significant performance diff btw the dps with and without mercy pocket, AND if the dmg boosted dps does extremely well that is hard to counter. That will lead into mercy being a necessary pick for that dps, ONLY pocket that dps cus otherwise the dps is shit, team having only one support for heals, and saltiness everywhere.

[@simpa94]

Do you not enjoy any other dps heroes at all? Just wondering

[@aussieshooter8]

I'm coming up to some spare time in my life and I was considering coming back to OW learning they too away Hanzo's 1 shot is egregious. Hes the only hero I have fun playing and I only play solo so a pocket mercy is out of the question. Oh well, Arrge do you think they will revert it ever?

[@keyriz]

Hanzo is 90% of my entire playtime but i stopped playing him bcuz its just crazy boring to stand in some spot with a mercy pocket, having to spam because everyone is aware of you... good job blizzard

[@rojiur1849]

I feel so bad for that Cassidy 💀😭😭 bro killing him like something casually

[@emerypitney9110]

That looks so fair, fun, and competitive. I love how balanced hanzo is now

[@ajgraham7085]

Think that title would go to Sombrero brother

[@Seriouspoopdamage]

I’m a new player and even after hearing that hanzo has constantly been ripped apart in favor of widowmaker by balance changes I still play him and think he’s really good, I just had my first game clutch in which I used my ult on the entire enemy team right before their payload reached the finish and then camped it for the rest 5 seconds of the match

[@SHUTENSEPC]

How are you successfully imprisoned that mercy bro 😅

[@brunoob1557]

Man i was laughing on the first gameplay match alot 😂 That Opponents Thoughts/POV be like: - was too funny😂 Imo it could be better to upload more of comedic ish videos like these apart from daily videos if you even do daily

[@ronnyburks2310]

Arrge I been watching your videos consistently and have become a hard carry Hanzo (65% of the time). I had my first hard pocket match last night and it was crazy how much damage I did so quickly. I really appreciate your videos and tips - though I do miss one shot satisfaction szn 9 Hanzo is a beast.

[@sporia]

funny vid the sound efffec t on ress is jokes :P

[@supersince3158]

Im so happy i quit the second i saw the season patch notes i knew he would be this unfun to play

[@o.m.y.]

"we are shit" 😂😂😂

[@1andonlyMiro]

I mean this shows it perfectly how strong rez is

[@daemongal]

Genuine question why is he whipping his mouse hard to the side after each shot?

[@soberstoners7610]

The only good thing about the change is that now when you’re popping off and going insane the enemy team can’t blame luck anymore

[@Arrge]

Huh, I don't know if blaming truck sized arrow hitbox is any better

[@Rokxis]

i played ONE game with hanzo. The enemy team swapped instantly from soldier/sojourn to pharah and echo

[@sukirugaku4768]

Those idiots at Blizzard might as well make 95 arrow damage and increase the draw speed of the bow

[@RobLovesU]

Do like kiriko and make his arrows do 90 damage and a head shot does triple damage

[@NOname-gb6en]

Just make hanzo re-embrace the blade and turn him into a melee character

[@cool_dog2727]

If Hanzo had a skin with a Bandana with mullet would you use it?

[@ever611]

It's definitely not fun and rewarding as before, even worse if you are playing solo, playing with pocket and against pocket is never fun

[@michaelhouvardas7462]

One time i had a game where the enimy widow was pocketed by the mercy and she got 40 kills and we couldnt do a thing

[@athanasiadealgerobelia939]

the best mercypocket

[@shihomonamour]

I feel like you're shooting, welp, everyone in the leg. What I heard & saw was that pocketed stuff can be overbearing. Which has always been the case to much more effect with heroes like Ashe & Sojourn & Echo & Pharah. What I strongly believe devs will get out of this, if they come across this, is that Hanzo's overpowered, it's still against our vision, nerf that bitch. 2:18

[@CarigliaY]

I'm saying this since Mercy rework. It is not fun to have a hero that can rez and boost damage permanently. Also, I'm still very confused on that "we don't want oneshots" thing but they still let Widow with her oneshot. This OW state is absurd

[@kaneoii]

I miss Hanzo 1 shot

[@Lufa01]

i think its same feeling about pharmercy in metal ranks (of course there is also different skill etc), i do not hate hanzo, however i get that hanzo + mercy can be annoying

[@ant4hed]

If I faced you I’d be tilted the entire game 💀😂 insane hanzo

[@reaperssoul4731]

im struggling playing hanzo with the aimshot nerf, but I dont have a mercy pocket damage boost to make it worth it anymore. Spaming storm arrows is the only way to kill anything these days. hanzo no headshot kill, widow still headshots everything. Blizzard makes no sense.

[@gust8bit]

This combo makes everyone tilts at the Hanzo, the Mercy, their own team, their dogs, their ancestors, etc... xD

[@vasara2293]

but not every hanzo has a perma pocket we need mercy rework tho

[@lazloplayz2661]

Still can't believe how much this poor fella gets nerfed

[@gabeallen1212]

After s9 i just switched to being a cass main. Not nearly as fun as old hanzo, but playing new hanzo is the worst thing ever now 😢

[@NightBlade117]

Samito (the old school OW1 Hanzo assassin contender player) would laugh so hard at watching this video. I can hear him now saying "you must be new here" 😂

[@richardespinoza9989]

Arrge are you trying to get hanzo nerfed? Lol. I get no pocket mercy in my games, its miserable landing headshots and nothing dies 😭

[@ericcarrell3819]

why does everyone have the same name format?

[@stottpie]

Unironically this is the red team tanks fault

[@shelleyzwemmer5969]

xD I'm a Hanzo main, but since S9 it's just not as fun anymore, but u inspire me to play again haha

[@tcrzsppr3163]

Season 9 Hanzo is like E-Girls on Twitch adapting to the new meta lol

[@testtarget1030]

Seems like they are ok with this. Mercy needs a dmg boost target to get max value, and naturally she will work well with characters when the boost flips the breakpoints. But they left Widow with her one shot, no pocket needed so who knows.

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

I notice something with those who adamantly hate Hanzo and it’s that they keep moving the goal post. It’s a hate that they got from early Overwatch and they never changed their view point because that’s too thoughtful and mature for them

[@DrunkardTV]

As a Hanzo main I uninstalled the game a month ago.

[@puredruid]

I got a juicy triple hs kill as Hanzo earlier, 2 kills of which were mid air targets. Got to love stopping a Genji as he ults midair. In fact, ult denying as Hanzo is fun in general lmao. Like when you perfectly predict when an Ashe is about to ult and she dies before she can fully finish her sentence... like killing her before she can even say Bobs name. "Bo...eughhh". Or a perfectly timed ult deny against a Sojourn is nice too, "This ends...eughh" You're right Sojourn, it does end. But yeah like you're saying in the vid, pocket Mercy Hanzo is a god send when playing Hanzo but an absolute nightmare to face.

[@jacobj3491]

Sometimes I'll play mercy when I'm solo queueing and the other team insults us as if me and ashe/hanzo/sojourn/etc always play together. Like relax, I put my blue beam on some guy and it worked so I kept doing it, it's not that complicated

[@scarletl9081]

omg righhtt. why do people see a mercy and insta assume they're duod

[@czekskii]

Before watching, Hanzo genuinely scares me now. Used to be any bot could pick Hanzo and get lucky now and then and it was whatever. Now, if I see someone on Hanzo I know they are a gamer 9 times outta 10.

[@veenoxxy]

6:00 ,am i the only one who saw those bodies glitching and flying off

[@RexelBartolome]

thats dva's mech glitching out lol