THIS Is Why You Can't Carry Games When You're Fed

[@CoachRogue]

Hope you enjoyed the video! If you want to learn even then you can watch my full length coaching sessions over on my Patreon www.patreon.com/c/CoachRogue

[@CostelloDamian]

I struggled with carrying my games with good KDA as a JG for a long time. Simple changes I applied to change it drastically. Once I get the lead on enemy JG I live in their JG. I stop clearing my camps as soon as I can and I either fight or side lane. Massive difference once you start pushing your weight around. Also stopped recalling with stupid amounts of gold trying to plan what I can buy and if I really need it before hitting that recall. Often times this 1 extra wave you push or extra JG camp you take from enemy gives you XP and level that is around 600g stats funneled into you without visiting the fountain. Good tips.

[@ThatLonelyGuy3242]

this helped me go from iron 3 to iron 2

[@CostelloDamian]

@@ThatLonelyGuy3242 well not everybody learn at the same pace. Maybe one day you will join us in higher ranks. Keep grinding

[@cluckytheeducky]

yo, if I am iron should I even be playing quickplay? Or should I just always default to ranked?

[@Layneure1227]

​@@cluckytheeducky you Can play draft or ranked

[@jacobjensen1380]

@@cluckytheeducky I’d recommend if you’re gunna play norms, play draft, and play with friends who are better than you. You will learn better habits and will have to play harder. Then once you’re back to solo Que, it’ll be less stressful, and you can use the stuff you just learned playing with and against better players.

[@candycastle3194]

Those Nocturne stats gave me PTSD... Almost every single game I have a Noc jg he takes all the kills, gets super fed, then uses all that gold and power to contribute absolutely nothing towards actually winning the game. And the cherry on top is that these players think they did well because they have such nice looking stats. They almost exclusively use their ults to finish up low health targets instead of a gank that helps their team.

[@SahilP2648]

That in itself is not bad. The problem is that so many times those laners back (on full HP and when gold unspent is quite low) when they should be pushing the wave or help taking objectives or even going to another lane or providing vision into their jungle or providing vision for objectives.

[@thaiming7486]

Mistake 1: Chasing enemies after the fight is actually over -> missing time to get gold, xp and push of waves Mistake 2: freezing or pushing at the right time -> making yourself stronger by pushing when you are ahead instead of making the enemy weaker by freezing Mistake 3: 14minute timer Mid turret without defense of the strongest member -> can snowball into a massive map control lead and force a reactive playstyle of the team that lost it first Mistake 4: tempo loss by doing irrelevant camps, bad recalls (500g) or not crashing waves -> too late on the map when a fight is started, support cant ward forward because there is too less backup By far not perfect, but that should cover the main aspects.

[@coderaven1107]

For me learning that 1 level is worth 600g in stats was a gamechanger for Mistake 1. Every levelup is like 1/5th of an item that you dont need to buy. Before that it was way harder to feel the importance of minions emotionally

[@coachboc]

I teach this to my students too! I value tempo > kills in almost every scenario. But there is no good immediate feedback loop you get from making this mistake. You get the kill, you feel good, you get caught/die, and you're left feeling helpless. Good video, thank you for explaining this in-depth!

[@Pixctvsff]

yeah and it's not okay for the rest 4 to not understand this " tempo > kills". No joke, in Vietnam server, it's a complete joke playing in Dia+ Master+ where they just roll their face over the keyboard for some random ass fights where no objective is up + waves are not being push up and yet they still managed to force some stupid shit across the map, while all 4 of them die, i'm the only one left alive to defend :^) with enemy adc being 15 kills+ xD

[@Nole2701]

5:15 I like how the cherry on top is the Naafiri not catching jack shit

[@filipsavic937]

Bro you are amazing for real, i watch almost every video you make and the value is insain . Ty so much ❤

[@Piratequeen010156]

• Chasing kills - when a fight is over, it's over, don't chase one-off pointless kills when you are actively missing waves and potential plates in your lane. You could be denying your opponents exp/gold by crashing your waves while they are forced to recall. Plates and shoving waves can get you much more assured exp and gold. • Don't freeze when you have the lead - freezing is great for early to get you a lead, but once you have it, you want to be snowballing and gaining as much as possible. Sure, you can continue to deny your lane opponent gold, but at this point in the game, you're actually playing against the enemy's team most fed player (whether this is the top, jungle, or mid). Ex. a fed top is getting tons of plates, waves, kills and first turret... while you're still freezing the lane and staying even instead of abusing your lead. You'll inevitably lose out against that fed top. • 14 Minutes is the beginning of macro (when plates fall). Whoever controls mid and has mid prio can effectively control the game and other lanes. Mid turret falling can be extremely pivotal. You must protect your mid turret... if you're a fed top or bot laner and your mid is behind at 14 mins- you must force the swap to insure the mid turret stays up. Games can snowball out of control if your mid turret falls too early. • Minimize your lost time (recalling, taking camps, wandering, etc.) When you're fed, you are in demand. You should be present on the map as much as possible. Don't be surprised when your teammates lose teamfights because you're not present.

[@PhO3NiX96]

Ahaha that moment when you killed 2 people and left cause you knew you'd waste time killing the last 2 but your team overchases, dies and spam pings you for leaving after the first 2 initial kills

[@ultimate1450]

every soloq game

[@mousmavire7071]

/mute all is a good friend

[@PhO3NiX96]

@@mousmavire7071 i mute the players only, some teamates are useful in pings

[@ricardorodriguez8497]

Not me having a jungle friend do this every game then wondering why no one plays SR.

[@divinrth5187]

this is exactly like me wow. i went from gold to low bronze in like two weeks after a streak of 20 losses and 2 wins. i had great stats and early game leads in almost every single game but lost all of them. i don't like to blame teammates and knew i could have carried if i was better but i just couldn't diagnose why i couldn't carry

[@ukuviispert9599]

The thing I wanna say about mistake 3 as an adc player is that, even if u know u should go mid, most of the time the actual midlaner doesnt understand the concept and tells u to f off. Most midlaners in my games dont even know that sidelanes exist

[@viktordalberg565]

This happens so often for me. If this happens i think it's better to just perma shove waves in bot and absolutely bully the enemy adc, and make sure to secure drake with jgl. Luckily later on most midlaners do take the hint and go bot.

[@darkgrundi9543]

mistake 3 is something you only need in mid elo onwards. Just pushing turrets anywhere is enough to get you to plat or emerald lvl. It's why Toplane is the easiest lane to climb with in low elo, but once enemies start to understand the concept of macro toplaners start to lose value as splitpushers, because the strongest member will just defend you.

[@ocskopf]

Not me having 27%wr with 8 cspm average and 1.8 KDA minimum

[@smittywerganyangermanjense145]

I feel this...

[@ocskopf]

@@smittywerganyangermanjense145 Only in this split though. Riot agents deployed some serious backup to keep me away from diamond, hardstucking me in emerald

[@gryphon_Space]

that's because of a much harder MMR reset this split, it's going to be rough but focus on where you can improve and that should help you get through it. we genuinely have like challenger players being matched with diamond players rn.

[@ocskopf]

@@gryphon_Space yeah i definetely felt it in some games, I consume a lot of content from Alois and skillcapped, and 1 or 2 enemy players felt exactly like I was playing against them. They made like 1 mistake every 20 minutes. The rest of the time, perfect macro and mechanics.

[@gryphon_Space]

well until peoples MMRs diverge a bit you have some replays to watch and learn from first hand.

[@sashastronghold5775]

Absolutely amazing video thank you so much!

[@celloj3703]

“Now you have to figure out how you’re gonna carry these apes when the enemy Lucian is literally Thanos” EVERY SINGLE JUNGLE GAME I PLAY HOLY HELL

[@scottsharwood9465]

Excellent guide, thanks for sharing.

[@smittywerganyangermanjense145]

Hi! I'm new to the channel and really appreciating the insightful commentary! One subject I'm really curious if you would cover more is what to do in bad situations to make the most of them. I've noticed a lot of your content is how to extend and take advantage of a lead, but I'd love to see more on what to do when I have been counter-picked, or I'm getting camped and am now behind. How can I learn and improve in situations like this? Any direction to a past video or a comment covering this idea would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[@coderaven1107]

I think some things can be taken from the video: Be the Naafiri who is back on time at mid lane, call your strongest member mid. Make calls to not overchase or type "dragon", "push mid" or ping after a fight is won.

[@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411]

3:00 active windows lol

[@ItsMefy]

Just found your channel and this content is amazing and really well explained thank you!

[@SahilP2648]

Macro is way more important than being fed. I have been in games when either I or some lane on my team was ahead, but they have zero macro, so when 1-3 people die, they just back like idiots and don't push lane (I can understand if they are super low like less than 15% HP or if they have 2k gold left to buy stuff) or take objectives. And then there are times when I as the jungler will ping multiple times to take dragon when the bot lane is free (1 or 2 or both plus jungler is dead) but they don't listen to my pings and try pushing the bot tower instead (which is bad later on but good early on). And people just don't listen to pings generally. Probably a lot of that is because a lot of people play camera locked and not unlocked, which allows you to see a good chunk of the map and you are not guessing and estimating stuff.

[@karlos802]

I didn't understand the 4th mistake, lets get 18:20 for example, all we know is that brand is holding mid tower, what would be the best to do? Farm the wave that have met in the middle of the toplane then go river with nami for vision and regroup with team? maybe even get a pickoff? Isn't getting the gollems the safiest play for fiddle to just not afk doing nothing? he could get ganked on top turning a possible fight in herald a 4v5

[@cheekybungus4926]

Rogue's point is the golems isn't actually the most productive thing to be doing. The golems will be there, regardless of what happens mid or top, and the only way we get more information is by helping nami out. If fiddles had gone and helped nami, he'd be there with his whole team in case a fight breaks out. If a fight didnt break out, the top wave could then be bouncing back, and fiddles could farm golems while waiting on minions to arrive, or force/deny a play using the newly gained vision control. The wrong order of operations leads to reduced efficiency, and lost opportunities.

[@shieldgenerator7]

wow this was very insightful and helpful, thank you!

[@CoffeeKitty.]

this is a really good video ty. now i wish players in NA wouldnt literally run it down every time i deny a laneswap when i am a midlaner who can 1v3 almost any fight and secure both objectives and they're a 0-5 ezreal. every single time im forced out of mid becaue they stubbornly refuse, we lose mid tower within SECONDS of me being forced out and that replay line looks IDENTICAL to what you showed. its ass. this is the vast vast majority of games where people just default to "adc mid after first tower die" with no rhyme or reason, i really wish people would understand WHY laneswaps exist. you put the strongest member with the most tempo wave defense/push and or teamfight impact mid if theres push threat, and if there's not then you can stick your 0-2 scaling smolder there.

[@shieldgenerator7]

10:49 Arcane mentioned

[@yuumijungle548]

9:05 this is super true, people always give advice on how deny the enemy gold and exp, not understanding that the game is played 5v5 not 1v1, so denying the enemy anything does nothing, you need to earn more gold and exp than everyone on the enemy team, not just your opponent.

[@legendaryice7041]

quite the opposite of what you said, if you play 5v5 you aim to be stronger than your lane opponent if you play to 1v9 you aim to be stronger than all of them

[@MrPonthus]

Yesterday i had a 0/5 brand mid and when i took bot tower at 13:30 and went mid he flashed in place and went afk

[@nhifuu]

Really nice video, reminds me of all the Dopa/faker analyst videos where they swap from mid to side lane. This also one of the better ways to macro I do from mid.. bot lane goes full NA aram blood bath, all I do is catch mid go bot and take towers lol You could argue though that Vex 0-3 mid would just INT the bottom tower.. but honestly that's not too bad either because then she's inting the gold between two players! And as a fed ADC getting shutdowns is BIG.

[@callmeaboomer]

To mistake 1, it is just insane how much such a "small" mistake can snowball into such things😮

[@coderaven1107]

LOL, the Gwen's Name at 10:30 is "OKNowImTilted" 😂

[@r0flcopter]

actually goated video

[@RocoPwnage]

9:02 skibidigooner

[@AbirBelly]

This is a great video, lots of very useful info here in a easy to digest format. One suggestion tho, in terms of professionalsim activate your windows 😂 Just seems odd someone whos ex-pro and is now coaching cant afford to pay for windows

[@CoachRogue]

Brand new PC LOL

[@VT-ml3tj]

Amazing video, if 1080p upload is possible it'd be nice

[@mettataurr]

Jokes on you. Ive never lost time because ive never played league…. But i do waste hours watching youtube.

[@codcrecks]

thats why my winrate on bard is so high. i always bait the enemies with chaotic plays to chase me deep into the jungle and most of the time i get out of this. Meanwhile they lose a bunch of exp and gold

[@Speedy-Rabbit]

i knew about mistake 2 being made by others. recently, through some poor play by me, i was playing renekton and fell 2 levels behind the enemy garen, he knew i couldnt walk up to a freeze, so he froze at level 7. and i just let him. i got 0 exp and 0 gold from any cs for the next 4 minutes, because on the other side of the map my draven was already on double digit kills, and i knew garen wouldnt be able to carry just by freezing. That game ended with: 0-5-9 Renekton (me) 6-3-4 Garen (lane opponent) 17-5-7 Draven (my adc) the garen ended that game by blaming his team, not realizing that his long freeze was pretty much what prevented him from carrying

[@noahtheknower]

good video, every second matters when it comes to pushing waves. reset faster to not miss minions, get tower plates and deny minions

[@sigpig1989]

i have to say that i overchase kills as well, but only when i play sup and try to waste enemies time while team mates splitpush. just to win some seconds to get turrets for my toplaner

[@kazeryuu3603]

This season I'm really struggling to close games with WW. I create big leads, but I get out scaled pretty hard by champions like Aurelion Sol and mid to late game the enemy is always able to turn the game around with good teamfights. My teamates most of time when I get a Baron will team fight instead of pushing waves, it's being fucking hard playing a perfect early game just to lose it in the end.

[@shadowx7286]

this was useful thanks

[@gilianfranciscogamla7280]

You are the best ❤

[@BrandonPyatte]

Yea the problem tho i have is when i get fed as a mage mid and am the strongest player and the adc on my team swaps to mid... and leeches my exp... and then i have to go to a side lane and then they let mid lane fall... like if i stay mid i split exp and get behind in cs... if i go bot to hold bot i lose mid and objectives on the other side of the map. If i tell my adc to stay bot they tilt out of their mind and everyones mental goes boom.

[@OmoNok]

Gwen passive reference :0

[@peglothefirst]

Real Question: given the example @ 16:05 Why dose zeri not just freeze the lane for two waves and THEN hard shove right before drag comes up. like i understand the "needing lane prio take" but I don't understand why we need it all the time if no objectives are available to take. if we are looking for a fight at dragon, do we even win? and I do wonder however: do we even need dragon? Its second dragon, but we (we being me and zeris team) giga outscale and i feel like ocean is not THAT beneficial to take for the enemy team. I'm not sure there is enough info in the video to justify it tho, as we don't know the current condition of how our top did. and since its solo Q i think its hard to communicate this as top would also want to freeze until further notice. but im fairly certain we can drop bot t1 without major issues as it seem almost dead already. i am interested on hearing things i missed here. I also may be reading to much into this example as it is solo Q.

[@shiningshen2444]

You can freeze only in laning phase. In mid game almost every champ have enough dmg to clear huge waves fast. So freezing is not correct. You waste time to build 2 waves and your opponent take it in seconds. If you clear wave fast you have tempo on map and you can do something and enemy must react for this.

[@chuli1020]

Curious if u can try this on wild rift though😂 it will be a great video

[@Damien2745]

Hello, you mentioned taking over mid lane at 14 minutes, I was wondering how you would apply this while playing jungle? Thanks!

[@GamesPlayer1337]

Use chat to tell your teammates to put the most fed one in mid. Play around mid and try to push the first mid tower with herald as one of the enemies in the video did vs Zeri.

[@darkfallenmage1]

Earlier scailing champions Nocturne more so loss because of the caught up bounty systems. Playing assassin like Nocturne fall off as game goes on and bounty gold they from there leads just make the them gold funnel for late scaling champion radc and tanks/brusier. Basically you just hold 5 kills of gold for later scaling champion later. This well cause the game to flip when you die. These cause a gold shock dif when late scaling champions co e on line.

[@devoreking]

•Overchasing •Freezing after lvl 6+ •Overlooking Mid T1 •Bad Recall/Tempo

[@metiam945]

you told about laners but what about jungler i cant take the mid or take my teamates wave

[@pickyraccoon]

Just apply the base line ideas to your role. 1 - It's about not over chasing and doing something with the map while most of the enemy team is dead. In the jungle you do it by leaving as soon as you identify the play being over and defaulting to important objectives > enemy camps > waves no one took > your own camps. Star pinging people to help you and they may stop chasing to do what needs to be done. 2 - It's about knowing how to prioritize what gives more gold and exp. Instead of just farming your own camps or ganking your hard losing lane, you identify your lane who is even or winning you play for them. Your top lane is crushing their enemy? You go there every time to dive, push the wave, hit the tower, then you go to the enemy jungle, uses the top laner pressure to steal jungle camps, and then you dive the poor enemy top laner again. You are basically getting fed, at the same time you're removing enemy JG and top laner from game, while also creating a monster top lane. That's the idea.

[@pickyraccoon]

3 - It's about map pressure and how important it is to have mid control. As a jungle, you can secure it by suggesting people X to defend the turret because you know he is more fed. Also, as a jungler, you can always spend a little time around mid just to create some pressure. Finished one quadrant of your jungle and the enemy mid is a little advanced in mid? Walk there and just show. Sometimes you don't even have to try and force a gank. Just showing you force them to walk back, releasing pressure and avoiding your mid tower to take damage. In general, you have to think about what you need to do to create pressure on enemy defending mid and forcing him to walk back and never hit your tower. Your mid is dead and you're farming your camps? Walk mid, pick the wave and force the enemy to not hit the tower. Your camps will be there anyway when you come back and your tower will be cool. Your mid tier 1 turret is the most important thing in the game, so find ways to help defend it. Even as a jungle, having your tier 1 mid turret facilitates your game so much. 4 - It's about uptime. It's a little like the number 2 when you need to think about maximizing your gains. In this case, you need to maximize your time doing something useful on the map. If you're spending time farming your camps while you could be stealing enemy camps or diving someone, you're basically doing things wrong. In this case, you need to start thinking what is the optimal thing to do with your time on map and also, the most important, timing your bases with objectives and you teammates. What's the point of you basing then coming back on the map right when your laner is recalling, so you can't do anything on the map with them.

[@smittywerganyangermanjense145]

good communication is key. It's why jungle is so hard. It requires the most communication and timing.

[@alb1reo]

As a jungler, should I push wave or do jgl objectives when we get some kills, instead of chasing?

[@tunzaaoe]

Im watching this really close since im one of those 20 2 player and losing game, particularly at mistake 3, im low plat and if i kindly ask my midlane to swap before 20 min i get him tilted out of the world and aram the crap out of my game how do i approch that?

[@hamsg]

So for the last mistake where Fiddle takes Krugs. Isn't there a point to make that he doesnt have vision on blue Team and so stepping up for this wave is actually risky? In that state no one would punish blue Team for committing on Fiddle top even when he got some time of the blue team.

[@darkgrundi9543]

This is why he should move with his Nami into the jgl and get vision.

[@SL_Mirise]

just one question bud. Why havent you activated windows? That watermark will never leave my eyes again xD

[@marderprod]

Since I'm a jungle main, I had hoped you'd shed light on why that nocturne in the intro couldn't manage to carry his games. Sure, a jungler can rotate to lanes and help crash/push towers, but that's generally not the best use of our time, is it? That fiddlesticks at 18:43 is not only screwing up his tempo, he is also taking gold/exp from the carrying jungler when he himself lost his lane substantially. That is not only the hallmark of a bad player, but it shows that he's a horrible person. To be fair though, his recall is synched with jarvan's recall, which is also questionable. I assume that Jarvan took raptors to finish an item, or at least I hope so.

[@darkgrundi9543]

jgl should play around his strongest member. If you strongest laner is top you dive with him 24/7 and get grubs, herald, enemy jgl whenever possible, if he is bot you do the same and get every drake, if he is mid you do a bit of both. In general ganking a hard losing lane is a lost cause and just another kill for the fed enemy. You only want to face the fed enemies if your own fed player is currently laning against them.

[@SorakaOTP462]

7:08 - typo there, it's "armor", not armour.

[@Vndir]

That's how europeans spell armor bud. It's even accepted spelling in american english as well.

[@SorakaOTP462]

@@Vndir yeah but we're not Bri'ish.

[@gatorgothgrrl]

ty coach, also activate windows

[@BornSniper]

Hey, for defending mid tower, what do you do if you have weaker teammates take of mid lane and you are just bleeding gold by staying mid (Im a mid laner and often my adc will go mid even when weak)

[@darkgrundi9543]

you ping them away and if they don't move just type to them why you want them to go away: "Let me mid so i can bring my lead to the entire map" for example.

[@skilledroy376]

For mistake #3 where you kicked Taliyah out of mid lane as Kled, when does it makes sense to do this as top lane? I main Pantheon so it can be difficult to tell whether I should get more value by splitting, drawing pressure, then ulting mid, or if I should go mid myself to impact the map with access both lanes and both sides of river. Also, what if the enemy mid is a mage with good waveclear that's difficult to get prio against but I don't want to give up mid tower?

[@darkgrundi9543]

Pantheon is one of those picks that always wants to go mid when fed, because you have that ult. Ping your jgl/supp to kill enemy midlane if they are good at waveclearing. You are the strong member so you should have enough dmg to do it with a bit of help.

[@Sinzari]

6:34 This feels a bit disingenuous, if you do get the kill, you're getting way more than that amount of gold and xp swing because the Kaisa would have a death time denying at least a wave and likely getting you a plate as well. I think as with everything in League, nuance is important and whether you should chase depends on how certain you are that you'll get the kill, and what objectives you would be able to get instead. In this case, I think chasing is a fine call if Kaisa doesn't have flash, so it's not a bad call by plat standards.

[@darkgrundi9543]

Mf chasing is fine here (not that far tho), Vex however should have stopped. MF had a serious chance at the beginning but after a few seconds should turn around as well, realizing she won't get her.

[@adsteller]

So if my midlaner is way stronger then my adc.. do i wanna keep my midlaner in mid to get controll past min 14?

[@HojaFPS]

I m low dia player and I think this is the most usefull video i ve seen so far - I m feeling lost when i m ahead xd - for me its all mechanics and 0 macro ...

[@andremachado4557]

gg

[@HoobaScuuba]

this guy really does not like fiddlesticks

[@ninebreaker7939]

kinda hard to do any of these if my own team decides to randomly fight and die as a team *and they do this often when im not around no idea why but yeah for no reason either* and me who's an assasin cant do my own thing,i be in a spot to either shadow my team cause i cant tell what there gonna do or push side and draw multiple ppl on me. i would always say its my fault for not carrying but some games are just unwinnable cause you cant control other ppl from doing there own mistakes.oh and gotta love when you communicate with your team and they decide not to listen until later on when its too late

[@smittywerganyangermanjense145]

Yeah.. I want to know if there is at least a way to improve when you get stuck in a truly bad game, so it's not a waste of time and mental.

[@gustavodelatorre8690]

Yeah, probably faker cant win in low elo because of this...

[@GamesPlayer1337]

​@@gustavodelatorre8690lmao you arent serious right? Haha

[@ngngye]

I think in the case that you’re thanos, you split on the side opposite to an upcoming objective. The enemy wants your shutdown, so they send multiple people after you. Your objective is to look as juicy as possible without dying - preferably you just lose flash, tp, or ult to get out. Worst case scenario, you lose tempo, your team fails the 4v3, and the game is 90 percent over - however, you making the sack play brings the odds of certain loss up to *nearly* certain loss. The more likely scenario is either you escape or your team trades you for the objective: you are losing tempo to let your team regain tempo.

[@orshabaal8990]

If the midlaner is an immobile mage, primarily fit for team fighting, like swain for example, and the swain is ahead, is it incorrect for swain to stay midlane rather than swapping with the botlane?

[@ultimate1450]

7:29 don't forget to activate windows :]

[@christatum3045]

Kills are worthless if not converted into plays

[@xReifox]

14:00 I often have a issue with this when I soloQ. Around 15min, the adc ALWAYS go mid and ask me to go bot. I play TF mid, I can always defend my turret with my wave clear, I always get prio because I one shot the wave and I can impact the whole map with my ult. Often, they either die or straight up move to a play without pushing the lane and we lose the mid turret in the next 1-2min. But it doesn't matter what I say, the adc refuse to listen and tell me to swap. Am I in the wrong? Shouldn't the adc (fed or not) stay bot to take turret or swap with top instead of mid if I'm going good mid with TF?

[@oranaro9000]

You are in the wrong, more than just getting prio mid, it's a safe base for the adc, while you can clear the wave, you'll not make it a prio lane, as you won't pressure it. going bot or top with your ability to TP makes a higher pressure to the mid than having your adc unable to move while his opponent with tp can come anytime to herald/ tower mid. You also need a support as an adc, compared to midlaners, so as the support will have to move mid, leaving him alone is giving an easy trade for the ennemy if they are behind: let herald/mid prio and go for bot towerdive+ tower

[@xReifox]

@@oranaro9000 No offense but I was asking Coach Rogue, I don't really care about other random players opinions because as I stated, you might aswell be the adcs in my games telling me to swap because that's what they see other players do.

[@gggremlin]

@@xReifoxyou want someone to tell you you’re right lmao. every tf mid in pro play history has had the same wave clear you do in your ranked games, and all of them have done exactly what the reply above me suggested - played for side lane with tp pressure across the map. put it this way - an aatrox with profane hydra can one shot a wave and heal any poké damage he took clearing it. he has tp summoner spell up. should he stay mid? the minor difference here is that the aatrox probably duels better on side than a twisted fate, but your side lane pattern isn’t dueling, it’s stun card and gtfo and obviously if you’re thanos fed on tf and your ad is 0/2 none of this matters

[@xReifox]

@@gggremlin Nope, I want a high elo macro player/coach to tell me if I'm right or if I'm wrong. I just would never listen to any random comment because 90% of players are below my rank.

[@robenriven]

@@xReifoxIm GM and i would say the same (im not the one commenting), if you dont want to believe me go ahead and watch a video of a coach like coach curtis about twisted fate and he does exactly the same thing, or watch any high elo twisted fate and they do the same, twisted fate is always a champ made to pressure sidelane and move. It never change. You dont even need anyone to tell you, just go with coach curtis that has mid fundamentals video of specific champions, or look around people in high elo playing the champion, and if dopa or any other good tf is doing that every single game that means something dont you think?.. Just use your brain jesus

[@Jasongy827]

If we have a team fight and jungler does and two other player die I will ping to get baron or dragon or any obj

[@TCHiper95]

What if I already do all of them and I still lose?

[@Londronable]

I mean, people doing the first mistake don't watch professional play? Surely? 2 people dead, including the jungler, means baron. So does 3 or 4 people dead. Baron > 2 extra kills. Simple.

[@NightstarReaper]

I don't agree with calculating the enemies loss as a gain (you get 300, deny 300) doesn't mean 600g, it simply means you gain a 300g advantage. The enemy would have to lose (as in subtract from their current total) by 300 for it to he a 600g difference.

[@Flossylearner1]

Thats exactly what is happening. That’s why it’s a 600g difference/lead. You both have 0dollars you made 300 they made 0 you don’t have 600 more but they can never make that 300 back they can only make a separate 300 in which you can too. Think of it as a race and instead of one player taking 600 steps further then the race starting. It’s more like the race was started but player two wasn’t allowed to start until player one has a 300 step lead. Now the only way player two could catch player one assuming they’re the same speed currently,is if the to double the steps per minute for one minute. so they would need to double the steps per minute effort to regain that 300 step disadvantage created before. So the gap to regain equality is 600 not 300. Make little more sense? Because remember player one is still moving 300 steps a minute they don’t stop. So while technically 300 ahead 600 is needed for player two to become equal in any given minute.

[@NightstarReaper]

@@Flossylearner1 thats rate of change, not about the difference between two players. This is also talking as though it is static. It is still only a 300g lead, not 600g difference. Rate of change is uniquely different and as well is listed at different timings, if you get an extra 300, you're at 600 and you're at 450, you have a higher rate of change in gold or derivative but that still doesn't reach 600g anywhere in the conversation. It's simple. People think that denying means they lose 300g, it doesn't. They get a 300g lead, that is all. Not a 600g lead.

[@Clunkers707]

so if my teammates are trying to fight and i think its a bad idea to chase or fight im better off just shoving wave even if it pisses them all off for the rest of the game i didnt chase too?

[@coderaven1107]

Yes. But from my experience it helps a lot to communicate that mindset to your team by pinging towers/waves, and pinging them back. Risk is that they are annoyed, but most of the time its no problem. I also do stuff like writing "dont overchase" or "fat wave bot" XD

[@Owerdoss]

Go to settings and activate windows, pls.

[@reni6817]

Mistake 1 : not activating your Windows

[@ralek592]

Mate there's tons of solutions to thr activate windows thing at this point

[@desuvult8463]

1:00 what does “innocent” mean

[@Bank2010Rupt]

He said “inting” which means intentionally dying/feeding

[@desuvult8463]

@@Bank2010Rupt i meant the text bubble in opgg (also where the heck did you hear "inting")

[@pulsarhappy7514]

Innocent means you defo can't be faulted for this loss

[@justinnichols4453]

hey man im itz mobo#NA1 and ive managed to improve quite a bit since finding your content, could you make a video detailing consistency?

[@spartians4611]

bro activate ur windows

[@assilbeg]

and dont forget guys the real goal is to get gold IRL

[@junalynn]

How much is kaisa flash worth in the first mistake?

[@CoachRogue]

Roughly 5 minutes of not having Flash ;)

[@GunzShufle]

Please delete this. Efficiency is the only reason I got to Master I'm going to be low elo if everyone else catches on

[@cheekybungus4926]

Hahaha 😂

[@lautaromonsalvo8808]

the examples here were so dishonest. In the mf chasing kai sa example. He says kai sa would lose more minions if mf didnt chase than if mf killed her. How? How is she getting it time to catch bot waves after getting killed if mf only loses like 8s chasing her. Then the don't freeze thing. He says while we are freezing kayn is getting plates and whatnot. Ok, but gwen got herself killed outside of her turret. Why? Probably because kayn was freezing, otherwise she's just straight up inting for no reason at all. Jinx isn't inting. Kayn is getting fed because of someone else's actions, gwen inting, and then his jungler helping him dive. We could push ourselves too, but if none of these things happens, we are only getting plates at a very slow rate

[@sanderbrouwer91]

why don't you have a windows xD it costs less than 1 hour of coaching.

[@spookyscarygraviton5944]

Activate your windows, bruh

[@CoachRogue]

New PC haha 😂

[@cheekybungus4926]

leeeegiiiiittt!!!

[@darkfallenmage1]

I know why he lost it lol

[@darkfallenmage1]

Earlier scailing champions Nocturne more so loss because of the caught up bounty systems. Playing assassin like Nocturne fall off as game goes on and bounty gold they from there leads just make the them gold funnel for late scaling champion radc and tanks/brusier. Basically you just hold 5 kills of gold for later scaling champion later. This well cause the game to flip when you die.

[@darkfallenmage1]

He is wrong

[@p3zzzz]

Cause your teammates are trash There.... disnt need to make it a 20 minute video