This Is Why You Have to Take (and Break) the Throw In Tekken 8

#Aris #TEKKEN8
Yes I just made a video on it, yes it's important to repeat
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[@MrCactuar13]

What do you get after breaking a throw? You get to live. And that's one of the most important things that can happen in fighting games

[@NYG5]

You should get more. Using a throw requires no effort, breaking a throw requires reflexes and skill. Breaking throws should leave you at +f

[@gman8D1]

​@@NYG5 crouching a throw is a guarantee punish

[@MrCactuar13]

@@NYG5 Amazing, you want a system that punishes aggressive plays, such good game design. By that logic might as well make blocking always negative because it takes more effort to push buttons than to hold back or down back. You also realize just how big the throw break window is in Tekken? Throw breaks honestly deserved the changes they got in T8 because they were borderline useless at high level T7 play.

[@HellCat_Kenny]

@@NYG5no you should be better

[@HellCat_Kenny]

@@MrCactuar13cactuar spitting facts

[@versaleyang]

I love breaking lower ranked King players' throws and they just stand there for a couple seconds in disbelief and then they just start spamming more throws and I break them all and in the end they don't rematch, best feeling ever.

[@huffee]

how do you always tech the ambiguous ones? i need the matchup knowledge

[@xRhychux]

​@@huffeethat's luck or educated guess from situational awareness

[@versaleyang]

@@huffee The chain grabs are pure 50/50s, they all look like regular 1+2 throws, so you can only guess right. But throws like Giant swing, Shining wizard and many other single command grabs have very distinct throw animations. You have to visually identify the starting animation and break it that way. You won't be able to break them easily without having played against many Kings, practiced and memorized the animations after many many hours. But you can accelerate the throw break success by simply setting them up in practice mode at random intervals and try to break them.

[@huffee]

@@versaleyang i had no idea there was a difference between giant swing and stuff like qcb1+2 / shining wizard i thought the whole point was that giant swing had a 1+2 animation but was broken with 1 so you had to guess. thanks for the tip

[@leafygreensmusic]

Wow

[@Ryan-gh4iz]

I can break throws 50% of the time every time. I'm a 50% impenetrable fortress

[@GrownManPat]

50% is really good honestly

[@josepartida1711]

Good stats in tekken

[@uria2001]

Yeah I stink at it. I switched over to a leverless controller because my carpal tunnel just was too much for a controller. So. I'm learning that which is fun but challenging.

[@sand__wich99]

You’re only slightly pregnable

[@cameronn2572]

@@uria2001 lmao have you seen any improvements with throw breaks on a leverless

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Aris is going to win EVO 2024 with his infinite wisdom, he just doesn’t like leaving his house.

[@TheLolimbored]

🤣

[@yuh6812]

LMFAO

[@Black_Aces]

I thought he was immobile lol

[@kabukitheater9046]

@@Black_Aces he's attached to his tower pc. it's a known fact for a while

[@mastazenkei]

"Hey forsen aris said if you learn to break throws you will never get pregnant " we passed your message Arnis

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

0:14 classic Hoerang main

[@RezDK]

majority of hwo players are lil btches that's the truth👏👏

[@matex2207]

Wow this guy is really knowledgeable about tekken, next time he streams I'll make to ask him for more help!

[@Joetime90]

Aris is a legend, has been for years.

[@FALCONLICK]

Make sure to ask him why his screen is green.

[@luksgar97]

Remember to @ him so he can see your message

[@YaBoiJeffe]

​@@luksgar97 🔫

[@royalflush]

Memories of Rip's T5DR Throw Break Trainer...

[@kylo6594]

He finally gives his thoughts on forsen 😂

[@Lizard1582]

For'sen*

[@KB44444]

444sen

[@hands-ongaming7180]

@@Lizard1582for’skin

[@bennymountain1]

tf you mean finally? he's talked about him in t7

[@Pop-no3yv]

I trained a Paul ghost to mix in all throw types combined with movement, seeable lows, and faster pokes. Heavy emphasis on throws. Better than just doing practice mode throw breaks

[@alphaamigo9688]

Damn I was just thinking of doing something like this. How has it worked out so far?

[@Andreslashfully]

not a bad idea tbh

[@TheLegginator]

Genius

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Drop your ghost so that I can download it please.

[@bluebird_979]

This guy seems really helpful, Im a tekken noob so I definitely tune in next time he stream to ask for some tip. Keep up good work dude.

[@Giraffinator]

Aris makes me want to spend a decade in the Himalayas learning to break throws with the monks

[@Kevmoeman]

Aris will be stoked to get some new tekken fans in chat from this video!

[@blurryface5744]

Aris playing Yoshi AND giving tekken tips? Shit boutta make me tear up

[@johnsmith45542]

Tekken twitter needs to hear this asap

[@Zoran69]

Pros like Kaizur and PhiDX used practice mode to break throws. I use it as well and it has increased my throw breaking %, I'm immune to 1 or 2 breaks but sometimes I still too slow for untelegraphed 1+2 throws.

[@subrezon]

yes, just pick a char like Dragunov, Jin or King with 3 command throws, select the throws in the movelist, set order and delay to random and just break them. Do this for half an hour a couple times and you'll never get thrown again.

[@BigDaddyWes]

Watch the video again. Much more valuable to use your replays if anything, but just play matches and work on it in real time, every time. Real players are not sitting there cycling through throws on an invisible timer, they're moving around, doing other strings, and trying to catch you with throws. If you see the throw coming from a mile away, the break is much easier than practicing an unrealistic circumstance that's closer to someone doing a random throw on round start.

[@BigDaddyWes]

​@@subrezonbad advice.

[@subrezon]

@@BigDaddyWes worked for me. If something else worked for you - that's great!

[@BanAaron]

aren't King's 50/50s? You can't actually break every throw against King without guessing right every time@@subrezon

[@hotcoldman9793]

I never thought of it that way. You are a sage and a scholar good sir!!!😊

[@IAmEnormous]

Throwing is better than ever now that they home and counter hit, genuinely an amazing option if you think they're gonna sidestep into button without whiff confirming.

[@c0wboys4life]

My motivation to break throws has always been cuz I think the throw break animations actually look cooler for certain breaks lol

[@gronm69]

lord arnut back at tekken i feel young again... atpFeelsBeardMan

[@JBJaeggerjaquez]

can't wait to ask mr puddle some tekken tips and tricks on his next podcast smile

[@HumbleHurricane]

Aris yet again with the wisdom 💯🔥

[@EternalGruntSetsu]

Thanks for the tips amigo 5:27 7:06

[@ozu3264]

this was great advice, i hope ppl wont rely on throws once they see the weakness

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

4:43 that music transition was perfect 😂

[@lvl99paint]

are we gonna get aris ranked compilations like back in the t7 days? those were my favourite

[@natewei]

Arnis talk about tekken or else

[@fightmike9660]

Personally I spent a lot of time in T7 zoning out and breaking throws in training mode, in addition to playing online regularly. It helped me a lot for sure, so I wouldn't discount that sort of practice. As long as you actually play the game as well you'll get used to engaging that part of your brain when you feel a throw coming on.

[@kvk1]

hey this guy's pretty good at tekken tutorials

[@joaodebarralcaldas2164]

Come to think of it, throws in Tekken are a bit like jumping in Street Fighter: a relatively low risk high reward option that just has to be constantly checked for the game to be played at a competent level

[@heyimmk5226]

Aris doing the lord's work again

[@meekaillim]

Looks like N0pants didn't get the memo💀

[@Lent0ro]

Which memo?

[@salutarypants0792]

How else will bajs pass this onto Mr Fors?

[@Tehnooblime]

@@Lent0ro He did not want this to be clipped.

[@Lent0ro]

@@Tehnooblime lmao thanks playa god bless

[@andriy_tato]

​@@Tehnooblimeyes, that's why he told to show this to forsen.

[@user-lw3vi8hw6t]

Its thanks you sir I learned how to avoid them slightly lol. We must have a match one day .. I want to learn so much more in Tekken

[@enjoysuon]

teacher aris i miss these the best one was the jimmy j taunt jet upper session

[@carloshernandez3177]

My throw breaking was S+ in tekken 7 and yea the amount of players even in fujin and raijin that can hardly break throws is crazy.

[@Nova_Afterglow]

you're right. i dont really think it's possible for me personally to learn how to break throws. ima learn tho. if all else fails, in a few months i will be back to not being able to. you make a good point tho. if i COULD learn, i would be a harder opponent.

[@thegrimm54321]

You gotta hit em with the stan stani

[@thoalis4325]

Spliffin facts 🗣🔥

[@Tyrantdrache]

i totally agree but just sometimes when my reactions are on peak i see the throw coming and duck + ws2 punish just in time. feels much better than breaking the throw but unfortunatly you can't allways get a hard read + peak reaction time. conclusion go train throw breaking :D

[@pogituna]

noticed the bum simulator bgm around the 3 min mark 😂

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

You can trust that Aries guy. Giving you good advice. Now that Evil Aries guy...

[@TheFourthProdigy]

Big Facts! 💀💯💯💯

[@exiaR2x78]

Me coming from street fighter "damn no one wants to take my throws" 😆

[@josepartida1711]

The bum sim music makes this even better

[@skirmishk9421]

Damn this guys kinda good at tekken. Its almost like he can be a pro commentator.

[@CallmeSins]

"gotta learn to break throws, when they find you cant break throws you're done" this is 💯 true, not only will i abuse it but ive had people yhrow me all game until i started breaking them. Didnt know 1+2 was a break until i watched a video.

[@RezDK]

Takes much more effort and time to learn breaking throws than just throwing them out like a clown king players get carried easily up to ruler ranks maybe even lower blue ranks👏👏

[@dadoyochild3830]

It had blown my mind when Aris had said you could react to their hands to break throws.

[@Safetypin6010]

Hey alright

[@ice_queen9]

looking @ throws: i must break you

[@BornInsane0]

I love his roasting of forsen😂

[@AVGegg]

"Bin no break having ass chang"

[@jawnjawnson525]

Guess it’s time to learn

[@zeokenx2]

In a offline situation I agree with Aris but since more people play online than they do offline these days,throw breaking is actually harder because of the netcode.

[@HellexTV]

50/50 throws enters the chat

[@hatetheplayernotthegame1377]

Tip for stoner like me don't make bad habit breaking 1+2throw with 1+2 (2buttons). Break with hotkey 1+2 (1button)

[@rellbandoo6572]

Good tip for controller players/beginners. I play on arcade stick and play multiple characters. I don’t use 1+2 as often on some characters and multi button inputs are easier on stick so I always break them with the 2 buttons. But when I played on controller, I was definitely spamming tf out of Left trigger to break 1+2 lol.

[@_Adie]

When I started playing Tekken the idea of "just look at the hands to know which button to press to break" was insane to me. Like, how tf is that even possible when you have to pay attention to everything else? I can break on reaction, if that's all there is to it but I sure as hell don't look carefully at which arm is the opponent's character extending first. In T7 it was way easier, and I did break a couple of them (mostly accidentally, though). Now in T8 I broke more of them than I ate. I don't know if that's because everybody's just doing the 1+2 throws or what, but it just kinda works now. Still, I think that the arm thing is ridiculous. I get it, and it does make sense, but it just doesn't seem possible to my puny brain.

[@nak3dxsnake]

Same. I just try things and hope my read is correct. Same with frame data. I feel the timing rather than commit any frame amount to memory. Almost red rank.

[@Kolos1001]

I feel personally attacked

[@Sonyonline8]

Aris is my sensei,🔥🔥🔥

[@kacysouvanna]

True. Been breaking shining wizards and the big king chains. They don’t know what to do after that. Ez king wins up to like red ranks.

[@MrJigglebits]

make it a habit of recognising what hand is left or right every session you sit down to play tekken. eventually it becomes easy to spot when throws do come. also always try to pick the right break even if it mean you are slow and get thrown, you want to build the muscle for seeing the right limb to break you can easily speed up that muscle memory later

[@jordan8199]

The left hand is on the left every time hope that helps

[@megaravanger]

Hey keep it down will ya?

[@Kenyin]

How long does it take to eventually be able to break it consistently? I played tekken 7 on and off for more than a year and I still can't break throws without guessing.

[@BigDaddyWes]

​@@KenyinYou just get better over time. Nobody can answer that question for you, but like Aris said, this isn't the type of thing where it's that helpful to go into practice mode or use a training tool. Just play. It's way way way more about learning your specific opponent's style and tendencies. Like everything in Tekken, it's a cumulative experience where you simply cannot react to a situation unless you've seen it before and out forth the effort to recognize it. Use the replay system to play your matches against throw spammers again and figure out what they're doing.

[@Kenyin]

@@BigDaddyWes you have to understand though. I have played for a long time without much improvement on that front. Everything else improved except for breaking throws. It has come to a point where I wonder if tekken is even for me if I can't even do this one basic thing

[@heeyaimak2587]

50k forrsaaaaan

[@Aimismyname]

didn't know 444sen was back on tekken

[@tylermartin7245]

I got godlike throwbreaks by practicing in training mode. Sure ranked is different and there's a lot of factors at play but when someone throws me I break them on autopilot because of muscle memory.

[@SugarRoll]

Throw breaking. The line separating the haves and have nots.

[@JKC4o9]

Ive been 1+2 throwing my way up the ranks

[@pharaohj2130]

Best tip I can give new players for defense is to learn how to watch the opponent's character AT ALL TIMES. And to be patient and keep things simple. Learn your character's 10 best moves and what you can capitalize off of from block, hit, or counter hit for each of those moves.

[@neubtuber]

Break time amigo.

[@hazanko5875]

The throw system in VF is more fun. Too bad that shit is in the coffin.

[@Zagryzaec]

Hagrid is the best teacher in Hogwarts.

[@mgibuk]

I find throws easier to break in T8. I don't know if it's the camera shake or graphics or something but I just see them better.

[@loto7197]

Took me like 3 years of just casual playing and never practicing throw breaks to get reliably good at them. It probably is worth labbing King's chain throws though

[@Mp0D]

Aris taught me how to play a decent Drag in T6 from his tutorial. Everyone has something to learn from the Hagrid of Tekken.

[@giacomo6555]

He doesn't use drag anymore?

[@aXelRedfield]

hey alright tekken fab

[@armouredgideon949]

Bearded man speaks wisdom.

[@TMNTfever]

That face and mouth 50/50.

[@Aeolus_000]

I'm in a weird grey area where I do break throws, but not by reacting to the hands, I just react to being thrown, and I use the throw break that makes the most sense in context. For example, I mostly break 1+2 in general but especially at the wall with characters that have wall-splatting throws. It works most of the time, but then a character with a complete throw game like Jin will come around and they will start throwing the shit out of me and then I realize I'm a huge fraud. I'm actually surprised how little the average player will try to throw you, even well into Fujin and above. They don't really try that hard to expose me.

[@yagami999913]

you just described my experience with throws as a tekken newcomer 😂

[@leeroyjenkins2923]

Dude no one reacts to hands. Maybe some pros that were playing the game for 10+ years, but even Knee says that moves slower than 20-ish frames are unreactable. All throws are just guessing games, that are depending on some factors in the fight. That's all.

[@ARaider510]

I was wondering why I was starting to see so many players online duck after a 2nd blocked move. If you make that a trend, it’ll only take 1 show for halfway decent player to take advantage of that and do a lot more physical and mental damage for that mistake

[@nyrva2876]

With Reina for example her best launcher for me is wc df 4, so I duck a lot, it has nothing to do with grabs. I get the advantage of avoiding throws as a bonus. Electric sucks as a launcher by not hitting crouched opponents. Great as a whiff punish though. Regular launcher is nothing special. The other ones are forgettable, you're not getting much with those. So it depends on characters I mean.

[@ARaider510]

@@nyrva2876 use it while you got it, really. If someone doesn’t make you pay for it, abuse it. But later on, you will have to earn the respect of a full crouch mixup. When the game slows down people will see you crouching in their face and kill you for it

[@Xengard]

@@nyrva2876 bro most damaging moves in tekken are mids. its just that highs are faster or more plus on block than mids. if you want to whiff punish with reina, use df2, it has great range and its a launcher

[@AirLancer]

@@nyrva2876 "Electric sucks as a launcher." Just when you thought you'd seen everything.... Oh no, I've gotta use 1% of my brain, this move sucks!

[@rubysmith765]

I’m happy with blocking kings ten hit combo into a throw when you block all of them launch punish them I got a few kings to quite mid match after doing that. 🤣

[@DeMoNDe-ViL]

Yeah sensei you got break throws

[@TheSupremeSussy]

Hey alright happy big monday bros

[@idontgetscared]

I’m not good at breaking throws but if I can get 2 breaks in a row, they never try again for the entire match. So I just need 2 😺

[@FireantzBlaze]

I love ducking grabs with a launcher. For 80 damage on punish . It's a bad habit I need to break

[@leeroyjenkins2923]

No you should keep the habit but just get used to that with its risk you can get launched for 80 damage yourself. Though it definitely is a viable option, just don't be so obvious with it.

[@FireantzBlaze]

@leeroyjenkins2923 yeah the jack 8 down 1+2 is Hella obvious but players still get caught though. I'm working on the 1+2 throw breaks because they thrown out the most

[@SmokeyVoyage86]

Words from the wise.......

[@riahisama]

Grab = lose LULE

[@joeborvon3187]

Great advice. Lord Aris, please come back to competitive Tekken. I miss the old days when you used to upload your matches.

[@heeyaimak2587]

50k forsen

[@wc999]

i can never break 1+2 unless i just guess those 1 and 2 im getting better at recognizing and escaping

[@kabukitheater9046]

this is why king's hopkick is great. it acts as a 50 / 50 for people who'd rather duck than break the throw

[@louievazquez5231]

You'd want to check plenty of times with a df1 or something else. You do that to gain a sense of pattern on your opponent.

[@Xengard]

i mean you can just use df1 to be safe, and if they get hit, it resets the situation

[@DreadyDiggs]

Found and watched this video while I go lt RDC'd...

[@Dautar748]

OMEGALUL roasted

[@TheEndwalker]

I'll have to disagree on the throw break reward. Playing against characters that have telegraphed 1, 2 or 1+2 throw is fine. It's very easy to break throws once you've practiced breaking them enough. Still, the reward you get is not as good as the reward the opponent gets if they connect. The situation is: 1 - You get not to lose HP; and nothing happens to your opponent; or 2 - You take 40+ damage, and will have to guess the Oki afterwards. It's objectively not a fair trade. Things get even worse against King, who has real grab mix ups that are not telegraphed. King can attempt a GS that looks like a 1+2 throw break, but it's a 1 break. The window is shorter compared to other throws. It's free damage, even if the opponent is able to roll after it, but absurd damage if it hits the wall. And King goes completely unpunished if you break it. Chain throws is a pure guessing game, you either guess one of the 3 options correctly, or you don't. If you are extremely unlucky to guess all the chain wrong, it's more than half your health bar gone. But what do you get if you break it? You just get to continue playing the neutral game. I'm used to breaking throws, I've been doing that consistently for 7+ years. But it's undeniable that the risk/reward, specially for King who has a KNEE hopkick - mind you, is extremelly advantageous for him. If we would to see it from another angle, at least on the King matchup: It's like dealing with a launcher that you'll have to guess - not react, if it's coming mid or low, and it will be safe regardless of where it's hitting. Because the damage of a chain throw is basically the same of a combo or mini-combo. I'm not implying that King, or any other throw for that matter, should be heavily punishable when they are broken. But the advantage for breaking them should be better than it is now for the player who was able to break it. Specially now where throws are way stronger, punishing/becoming unbreakable against power crushes and becoming near impossible to break on CH. I believe that, this way, throws would be a move to throw at a specific time, with a specific goal in mind based on what you've learned from your opponent so far, rather than a cheap way to get a free damage on a lucky bet for no cost or risk. Either way, I advice everybody just to accept what the game is, and go to practice mode. The way I learned breaking throws was recording Dragunov to perform his 3 variations of command grabs, a duckable fast string like b4,3, yet another duckable string like b2,1,3 a fast move that is punishable on block like his df2, and finally a solo snake edge like his db3. I would practice that on a daily basis, and it made my defenses against options like those very consistent.

[@simplybenjamen]

The whole grab system this game has fails to do what fighting games made a grab for. I wish it was just like Street Fighter, you guess a grab coming then you just hit grab no guessing game outside a grab input and that is it. Grab was meant to break defense and add to the mind game but in tekken grabs are not able to do that. The worst part is if you don't spend weeks learning all the grab motions to be able to react then it will destroy you so it's a scrub killer but useless outside that, except for king because he has forced guessing on a system that still is crap.

[@kaiyiu2000]

i agree with this statement

[@pumkinmuscles1104]

Nice 300 word essay

[@TheEndwalker]

@@pumkinmuscles1104 Thanks. I practice a lot.

[@imMahrky]

Shut up by the time you wrote that paragraph you could’ve learned how to break throws.

[@uhhhnthony]

Same goes with Marduk Tackle.

[@eight08life15]

It's funny I obviously throw out throws out my plus frams and 9/10 the take it.

[@eight08life15]

People send me mass hate mail which I find hilarious

[@ryanjohnson2213]

Hes wrong about practing breaking in practice mode - set the opponent to do 3 throws and a low and a mid. Its not perfect but it will absolutely help you improve

[@makeomengreatagain]

For me it is like saying what you get for blocking hellsweep is not eating lows so hellsweep should be safe imo throws (at least those 50/50 ones) should be at minimum -10

[@DangerLevel10]

For all of tekke history, I sucked at breaking throws. I decided in SF6 and MK1 to practice breaking through since it's mostly universal. Now in T8 I feel like a God at it.

[@MoldMonkey93]

Be happy this ain’t VF4 or Vanilla VF5 where there was multiple throw escape which essentially you input every possible throw break to option select it. Now, in VF5FS you just hold guard and punch while guardihg and just go forward neutral or back to tech based on the last input of the throw. In the one we didn’t get (VF5R) they had this lazy throw escape and multi throw.

[@KingShadows23]

I know how to break throws i just suck at reacting to them lol