This is Why You're Stuck

[@golfswings7925]

Matt, speaking from personal experience dealing with this in my swing: if you're still fully loaded onto your trail side at the top of your backswing (as you appear to be in the face on), it's very difficult not to leave your arms behind. A too late shift + rotation = arms can't keep up. Might be helpful trying to start your shift towards target before your backswing is done, instead of at the start of your downswing. No amount of focusing on my trail elbow helped me, but shifting to target (lead foot) earlier did. Cheers

[@ChuckS7546]

Matt, your instructions are straight forward and easy to understand. I find that changing my swing takes a lot of practice. It just doesn't change overnight. And once I change my swing correctly, my "bad" habits have a way of returning.

[@Gafgarion852]

Good stuff, I've added blocks to my portfolio of errant shots as I've tried to work on swinging in to out and this might be what I'm doing.

[@jaredsimpson5672]

Trail side is my current obsession. I've always had an over the top flip pattern. I film myself but watching your self analysis was really helpful . I've been trying to get unstuck by "dropping the hands" and sure enough on video my elbow is just mashed into hip Thanks for thinking out loud! Gave me some good ideas to try out

[@edf9992]

Great work and how you talk your way through the process.

[@justinstephenson9360]

Interesting video. As someone who has been stuck with an excessively in to out swing (8-10 degrees) for years I have heard just about every cliché that you mentioned from coaches - just exit low and left (I am a right handed golfer), get your hands out in front of your body at the start of the down swing etc. For me what seems to have fixed it was the realisation that the fundamental movements in my swing were good, just happening at the wrong time. So what I have done is gone with a feeling of completing the straightening of the lead leg much earlier in the downswing, I feel as though I have completed the straightening by the time the club is parallel with the ground in the down swing. That encourages much earlier lower body rotation and for me got the swing path down to c.2 degrees in to out with a mid iron. Maybe working on the trail elbow will neutralise the swing path even more for me

[@VoodooZ]

Love that sort of content Matt! looks like the type of pattern DJ/Koepka/Hovland use. I'm guilty of getting stuck a bit but somehow managed to compensate around it. But I want to clean it up. This resembles like what you worked on with Mr Cowx not that long ago too.. Costant-radius pattern I think.. Folding trail arm much earlier so you got leverage coming down. I'm trying the DJ pump takeaway to mimic his move back.

[@jongutierrez9116]

Matt, great video! The Trail Elbow is super important. It might help if you record your swing from different angles with the camera looking down from above.

[@brentninedorf6617]

Very good video. Having to catch up a bit. I think I need to exaggerate the feel of that trail elbow feeling more on the front to the side of my ribs and stopping at the top of the backswing to dial in those feels and feedback.

[@kamen01]

Been struggling with this since the temperature change. Thank you!

[@KevinLee-ee3lk]

such a great content. most knowledgable content i recently saw. thanks

[@xXcharliegoonerXx]

This video was so necessary for me right now! My backswing used to look like John Daly now I'm like Rahm if he had tennis elbow 😂😅

[@Station2Station-du2gh]

Low single figure here. Maybe this is the reason why for 30 years I've re-routed (dumped) the club UNDER the plane. (??). In all my golf life I've never been over-the top and rarely have I been on plane. My typical shot is an inside-out path with a significant draw and my miss is a push. I've never monitored my elbow - maybe it's slipping behind me from the top. Thanks for the idea, Matt.

[@TheBooze13]

Keeping this trail elbow in front and connected is huge for me. My back swing tends to get a little crazy I constantly fight trying to keep my ek ow tucked. But no doubt when I keep it connected my swing is much better

[@TravisO14]

love this!

[@chuckyz2]

Great tip.

[@stuyboy]

do you think those of us with bountiful bellies will always be stuck? hard to get that elbow in front of the beer gut. 😂

[@lawbinson]

John Daly, Kevin Stadler, and Moe Norman did just fine.

[@cockofdoody4ftw]

So yeah. Bit of a belly and also an old shoulder injury can result in being a bit stuck if you have the arms hanging straight down. Couple solutions I’ve found is - reach a tiny bit for the club, have a bit more hip hinge to make up for it, then adjust your lie angle accordingly. Or what I’ve been trying to do is slowdown hip rotation a tiiiiny bit, clear the left hip away from the ball and then turn and burn, gives you tons of room unless the belly’s yuuuge

[@pauljgrady3736]

Matt dose the same apply to the driver

[@tomeferreira3121]

Biggest issue in getting stuck, what’s help me get better at this is me simply trying to hit a dimple inside the ball, it naturally get me in a good spot.

[@DLudGolf]

Ah man, now I am super stuck.

[@merkeva1841]

i think the main reason why people get stuck is their trail hip. if you move the trail hip any closer to the ball (looking from down the line) you will be stuck doesnt matter what your trail elbow is doing

[@ProjectHum]

after lessons this was my reason to get "stuck"...trail hip can not move towards the ball! i would give myself no space to cover the ball if it moved

[@rowdyroddy519]

@@ProjectHum Keep your trail heel down, and just roll on your instep, until impact...then it can come up as normal... This will give you lots of space, and your sequencing will be better too. . it's 99.99% impossible to get the hip/thigh moving towards the ball with the heel down....but as soon as that heel comes up, hip and thigh move forward...and you can't stop it from happening. Watch some swings of Ludvig Aberg hitting irons. also look at some photos of Moe Norman's right foot action. He is the best ever at doing this. Cheers.

[@jonathanstevens2937]

Matt, Id be a tad worried for most amateurs if they tried to lose width in their trail arms...I feel like this could compromise strike and speed...

[@GolfLiberty]

not meant to be a feel for every player, some people collapse the trail arm and swing over the top for example

[@jonathanstevens2937]

@@GolfLiberty i figured thats what you meant. I think getting my right arm behind me is at the root of a ton of my recent problems.

[@chachifeere]

My path pretty much zero on trackman, My arms would get to far behind me on the backswing and not in front of my body. I did 6 months of wall drill . Basically back up to a wall heals 3 inches or so away and your butt just off the wall. And make a backswing without hitting the wall.

[@rowdyroddy519]

Yes.. This is the way. IYKYK ;) LOL The "Wall of Doom" is another drill I use with my students, and was going to recommend to Matt as well. Cheers.

[@freddym6643]

Can definitely work as a feel for some, but just to be technical, the trail elbow shouldn't work "in front of the chest" in the downswing. It stays on the trail side of the body until after impact. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnrKkoqDmKiCj9ksi=lezVkqQaySJ7tb85 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5fZh6GNrM2EfMUsi=xW12d9ib_7ddUYgV And not to pretend I know the details of your swing, but it sort of looks like you arms work across your chest a lot in the backswing. So they end up going deep, while your lead shoulder doesn't work across (towards trail foot) as much as it maybe should. This could lead to needing to feel like the trail elbow works in front of the chest simply to get back into position. kzbin.info/www/bejne/naiudmiMo7argtUsi=ed5EFRhqrwHH14q5

[@rowdyroddy519]

Hey Matty...If you were my student....I would have you working with one of those balls to hold between your elbows. I feel you have too much depth with your hands and left elbow...they are way too much behind you. And your elbows separate a lot. Your hands should be more in front of you, and maintaining the width between your elbows that you had at address. You get your right arm sqiushed across your chest early in the backswing, when your right arm should stay closer to 90 degrees from your shoulder line to the top... and be squishing into your chest on the downswing. It will feel like you are pointing your elbows 180 degrees away from your target line. That is the way. Cheers.

[@fredster1449]

Pretty fair comment

[@rowdyroddy519]

Cheers.@@fredster1449 It's hard to cram the info into one paragraph to explain the issue and fix. In person I could fix this in about 15 minutes. The root cause of the issues is the right arm tight across the chest in the takeaway.

[@fredster1449]

@@rowdyroddy519 agree mate I had a coach who banged on about getting my arms deeper then going into flexion which left wrist at top to shallow... next lesson arms are too deep therefore you can't shallow shallow .... so contradicting !!! You dont want to be disconnected by any more but deffo not deep early

[@rowdyroddy519]

@@fredster1449 ahh but Gears 3D Golf, motion capture has shown that is the case. There should be "disconnection" as you call it, in the backswing. The last few years, lots of things that used to be taught for decades have been sussed out to be inefficient or outright wrong headed. Of course there are outliers, and many ways to skin a cat...but the goal of having good mechanical efficiency is not to just produce a straight shot... it is also to prevent injury.

[@fredster1449]

@@rowdyroddy519 so in effect don't jamb left arm across chest or take the butt of club into right thigh (right handed golfer ) as I've been taught for a year lol