Just a little tip, dont always trust a trolley jack, always put an axle stand under the car or van you are working on for your safety.
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Everyone’s said that in the comment 😂 I feel guilty now but yeah, definitely. You won’t catch me again without a stand 😂😂😂
@Mrfort Жыл бұрын
That tip is as old as my granny.
@bignasty3274 Жыл бұрын
@themarvelousvlog Do you use a memory saver as just disconnecting the battery like that could see the radio code lost, especially on a second hand car where the code was never passed on ?
@Miz-ql3ho Жыл бұрын
@@bignasty3274some cars ive noticed get locked & then after a few hours of driving or a day or two its back and registered automatically 😅 not sure if this is for every car though
@bignasty3274 Жыл бұрын
@Miz-ql3ho 😂 no, it doesn't, and it can be a nightmare to get this sorted out and maybe a trip to the maun stealers. I've got a memory saver and a surge device I put o😢n the battery if I'm welding to save the electronics from frying 😊
@nozi2000 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of young days and still going cars today. Please don't lay down on the floor use carmates you will thank me at 50 keep up the good work.
@richardhaywoodh Жыл бұрын
Great diagnosis, too many Garages want to fire the Parts Cannon at a fault with the customer paying for every shot!
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I know many garages that does this 💀
@roasthunter Жыл бұрын
A main dealer of prestige brand near us has this approach, keep replacing parts until the fault is fixed or the customer runs out of money.
@robc5955 Жыл бұрын
Little tip, use a thin socket to wrap electrical tape around then use that to wind tape around the cable(s).
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Ooo interesting that! Thank you
@Jonathan_Doe_ Жыл бұрын
Can you post a video of this tip? I’m struggling to picture what you mean.
@robc5955 Жыл бұрын
@@Jonathan_Doe_ sorry I’m not that clever with tech, but just take a thin socket and effectively unwound the tape from the roll onto the socket, enough for the job, then cut and you have a mini roll to use in tight spaces, it works well. If you watch the South Main Auto channel, Eric O got the tip from someone else, but you’ll see him use in any of his ‘wiring fix’ vids.
@MarissaTheMuse Жыл бұрын
@@robc5955how does that help in tight spaces? You can just turn the roll sideways or not use an insane amount to begin with
@simsauto Жыл бұрын
I just want to add same advice .
@PNH63 Жыл бұрын
It is wonderful to see a lad like yourself with work ethics like you have , well done. Please take advice about axle stands😀
@tellitasitis2024 Жыл бұрын
If you look carefully he was using axle stands. Yellow ones.
@IWANASLAPTHAT Жыл бұрын
A breath of fresh air to find a honest young man. Nice work young man.
@Theyellowchild Жыл бұрын
You are a bloody miracle I’ve known mechanics ready for retirement that haven’t got the skills you have excellent work 😁
@MarissaTheMuse Жыл бұрын
Please
@gathonar Жыл бұрын
My dad, who is 81 and was a mechanic before retirement, loved this subscribed
@moffatt43 Жыл бұрын
Hi….. First time I’ve found your channel and must say that I’m pretty impressed with your work standards and morals ( I’m one of the older mechanics who believes in honesty and integrity with customers,unfortunately in our industry there are too many people who are prepared to shaft their customers just for a few extra £ 🤷♂️ ). I work on Motorcycles more these days but I do work on Friends Cars ( just a hobby more these days as busy looking after my disabled adult sons ). You did a pretty good job on the wiring issue but get yourself some of the heat shrink tubing you can get in various sizes and get some Waco connectors ( not for permanent fix but for testing purposes) it’s always better fixing wiring the way you did and with some heat shrink tube and a portable hot air gun ( Not a lighter 😉) . Do be careful though working under cars without a Axle stand and especially on people’s driveway ( I’ve seen a few cars when the jack has given way or sunk into the driveway because of the Driveway being done cheaply ( another profession where plenty of cowboys are taking advantage of their customers ! ). One of my friends girlfriend’s broke both her front springs in several places because she was one of those Drivers who refuses to slow down for Speed Ramps ! Trying to explain to her that driving over these at 30 mph is not going to be good for the suspension Lol 😂. Can’t just blame her though because the Steel used making these Springs these days is definitely not as good as it used to be Years ago and the car manufacturers are using thinner steel as well ( cuts down on vehicle weight but mainly done for cost £ building the cars 🤷♂️ ). Look at the Panels on Cars these days,you can lean on a wing these days and the wing will Cave in or Dent !!. There was a time when you could Sit on a Cars Roof and the Steel would be fine,you imagine if you tried that these days with a modern car ?. Keep up the Great Work ethic and you will be rewarded with lots of satisfied customers and a clear conscience yourself in knowing you did a brilliant job at a fair price. 👍
@adamweston4152 Жыл бұрын
My first time seeing your videos and I'm really impressed with your work, extremely thorough and attention to details such as wire brushing components, very professional. I've subbed to the channel too, well done lads!.
@acewhyte Жыл бұрын
same was kinda impressed subbed.
@fredMplanenut Жыл бұрын
Well done, good testing. Many garage services now only have fitters, not mechanics, hence replacing items. As to supports, just put an axle stand in, lower the jack to it, then you have two points, stay safe.
@Rusiputki Жыл бұрын
Well it's not like they welded the arm or anything...literally fitted a new one
@Badger66 Жыл бұрын
Came across this by accident and enjoyed it so much I subscribed! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it! Thank you 🫡
@beef24v Жыл бұрын
me to. nice to see someone doing a good job
@Ppp-kk6hw Жыл бұрын
Keep up the honesty and you will go a long way. Big up from Scotland 👍
@sandy7m Жыл бұрын
Ages since I have had a cordless impact. The one I had was a cheapo which I sold before the batteries failed. Went back to air after I go the use of my dad's garage (big compressor)., Seeing your Fuel is making me add another to wish list.
@Mike0 Жыл бұрын
So many cons out there, replacing random parts until the problem goes away or the customer runs out of money
@shanty4590 Жыл бұрын
Heating the plastic with a lighter seems sensible as you need heat to melt plastic & secure connection. Like your honesty, keep up the good work young man 👍 did i see you torque the brake callipers 👍 not many people do that great job
@untissify Жыл бұрын
It was heat shrink.
@DeanUK Жыл бұрын
I like this lad. Good luck with the channel. Hard worker.
@seeya205 Жыл бұрын
Well done video! The only thing I would have done differently is to take it for a test drive while reading all the wheel sensors.
@gingerbadger Жыл бұрын
Get your self a portable soldering iron and some harness wrap. Great video though. Stay honest lads and more importantly don’t get lazy! Subbed.
@grahamcole4240 Жыл бұрын
Well done, a great bit of fault finding on the first car.
@fourthbest Жыл бұрын
great work. I am surprised you don't use safety glasses. Maybe it is me and bad luck. But rust always seem to land on my face and eyes when I am under a car.
@nordic1121 Жыл бұрын
Well done guys , full day keeping cars safe on the roads, not always easy working underneath on axle stands , but at least it’s a dry day you had
@coolcolschannel8773 Жыл бұрын
NEVER use a naked flame under bonnet ! Also use harness tape not insulation tape 😕
@dsotm58 Жыл бұрын
Great tip about going for the fuse first i was taught the same method, just recently my daughters car would start and a so called mechanic replaced the battery then the starter motor took her for £500 still would not start then did a vanishing act, checked it myself and it was a 25amp fuse 5 minutes to cure.
@blackvulcan100 Жыл бұрын
Yes always check fuses first..
@Braveheart7914-idfl Жыл бұрын
Don’t you mean (Would not start? ) 🤔
@dsotm58 Жыл бұрын
Thanks corrected 👍
@u.e.s.2982 Жыл бұрын
A seam ripper (sewing tool) is perfect to cut through wiring electrical tape/covering without damaging wires. Very cheap and helpful.
@Nigelalmeida0408 Жыл бұрын
A few tips . Lol get some cloth tape as the other one comes apart with heat.leave a door open or half latched on landrover or self leveling cars top stop it trying to level with jacked up .try and tighten suspension arm bush bolts with the car on level ground as the bush will be under stress at normal height otherwise .
@stopdanoise3861 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Don't forget always clean the caliper sliders. 👍🏾
@paulsp2693 Жыл бұрын
On the first car, you should have used a small cable tie to keep the wires away from the vibrating air duct, rather then applying loads of tape and spring pipes..lol
@mmac-fr5xu Жыл бұрын
A good honest lad .
@Speedscholars Жыл бұрын
First video I’ve watched and it’s great! New subscriber
@norb0254 Жыл бұрын
With your job on the SEAT we (i repair trucks ) have had issues that the manufacturer highlight with the corrogated tubing you used actually saw toothing wiring and you end up with loads of breaks ,i know you did put tape around your repair first ,but just something to be wary off , What i generally do is put a small piece of heater hose around repairs like that if there is still a chance of rubbing...Good video by the way
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I’ll keep that in mind! Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. More to come 🫡
@Mrfort Жыл бұрын
Whats wrong with heat shrink tubing?
@norb0254 Жыл бұрын
@@Mrfort nothing wrong with heartstrings tubing. It was corrugated plastic tubing
@jameswatters9592 Жыл бұрын
Impressive, good professional attitude
@BDFProtector Жыл бұрын
Good honest video, but please change your use of the word Spline to Splice, the correct term for joining 2 items together like wires
@keymad4 Жыл бұрын
Nice one pal, your cable joint is ok.
@paguliukas Жыл бұрын
more people like you we need.
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🫡
@shane775 Жыл бұрын
put the wheel under the car if you have no stand ,,, looks like a decent jack but never trust them .. great work love the video
@jon90875 ай бұрын
Them pads ain’t dead until there’s nothing left 😅😂
@ttatimbo5830 Жыл бұрын
Nice work! Busy day out in the van! I struggle to get round a few jobs out in my van in a day, you seem to breeze through them no problem! Good luck to you! I didn’t think that lower arm bolt on the golf would come out I thought you would have to cut it out and replace it for sure! Can I ask what you use in the back of your van for 240v please? I only have a 300 watt inverter at the moment but want to run more chargers and possibly a small compressor in future off the split charge and spare battery I have fitted. Cheers! Oh, and as people used to say to me when I worked off a jack ‘don’t forget your axle stands!’ - safety never takes a day off! Be careful out there, easy to get complacent! 👍🏼
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I thought that too to be honest. Thankfully came out easier than I though! I just use an Amazon 2000W inverter. Not even sure what the brand is 😅. 2 massive marine batteries and a CTek Smart Alternator Split Charger (you can even input a solar panel with it, if you fancy 😅). I know, just lazy sometimes but yeah, definitely wouldn’t hurt. I’ll keep you in my mind if I don’t get my stands out 😂
@ttatimbo5830 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info - sounds like you have got a decent setup. I only have a Range Rover AGM battery at the moment and a basic split charge. I have seen those c-tek split chargers and fitted Solar to them and they are decent! Everything made by c-tek is, as you probably know! Been looking at a renogy inverter, but something cheap would probably be ok, as long as the peak wattage is high enough. Yeh I’m not the best at using axle stands either lately and rely on the jack too much! Gotta look after ourselves though!
@ritchieschofield1185 Жыл бұрын
Hey its a diag, you found it, it's not exposed to the elements. It will last years. Job done. Nice video. Give me electrical jobs any day That buzz of finding a green wire love it, especially when others have failed
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I’m starting to love more electrical jobs tbf. Being in the floor doing clutch is tiring af 😂 Green wire is my snow in this game 😤💪🏽
@thenottmlad Жыл бұрын
Do a demo vid of your diagnostics equipment I noticed you used the ediag scan tool I just got that one recently and does a hell lot of stuff impressed so far what are your thoughts
@danny1ft1 Жыл бұрын
If it works when you've finished and I haven't paid for an entire new wire harness you're a top notch sparky lol
@jockster5525 Жыл бұрын
Nice one mate... enjoying your efforts 🎉
@d.fordphotography4646 Жыл бұрын
1st time seeing your channel and I Love the vid, would you mind doing a vid showing the setup of your van?
@user-jg6vw3em9f Жыл бұрын
Good work on the vw Gold. Always advised that coil springs were replaced as a pair. Is that correct? Cheers
@TwoSpanners Жыл бұрын
That seems to be an issue with some of the vag cars. Had a golf and 2 seat leons with a load of corrosion and/or bad repairs on that particular loom that then rub through
@MrSpiderman1321 Жыл бұрын
Dont use solder on vehicle wiring, it is too brittle to survive the amount of vibration. Always use mechanical connections like crimps or connectors.
@Leehuss5582 Жыл бұрын
Good job guys, excellent diagnosis of the problem mate. What area do you cover?, if I need work sorting out...
@admodz3292 Жыл бұрын
Get yourself a mini gas torch and some wiring loom tape, will make jobs look a lot nicer, and an essential part to your consumables box
@a___________r414 Жыл бұрын
... great job! question for the rear brake system - for the electric system it must be driven back with Autel or however. Next step to turn the piston back mechanical ... the pistons has such pockets for the turning tool. In the video the piston is not turned back only pushed back like for front system? Due to any thread inside I thought it must be turned back? To be honest it is unclear for me ... sure I could turn back without any problem - to push back is not as complicate, I thought I could damage something? Thanks a lot for any answer!
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
The parking brake was winded back through Autel. It was then compressed and not turned as it’s not necessary once it’s winded back with the Autel
@a___________r414 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!@@themarvelousvlog
@lilrickz18711 ай бұрын
Job really well done on that last one
@M0UAW_IO83 Жыл бұрын
The wiring fix was a nice find but those heatshrink solder splices aren't great, I tried them out and found the solder doesn't flow that well so at best only half the copper is actually soldered and the joints could be pulled apart pretty easily. Might be I had a rubbish batch or something but I wouldn't want to rely on them. I reckon it'd be a more reliable job to splice it with a crimp and cover it with heatshrink.
@leimad13 Жыл бұрын
Heh I did catch that as I use them constantly. The trick here is to add flux to the ends and then push them in. Once you heat it up flux helps to distribute the solder properly throughout the wires.
@BlamBlam80 Жыл бұрын
What is holding the 2 wires together? What did you use to splice the wires.
@tyjakkty8668 Жыл бұрын
them break pads looked like they had at least another 300 yards on them
@Cybertruck1000 Жыл бұрын
Thumbs up if you are that conscientious with all your work. Interested efficient tradesmen need recognition. Good work lads.
@neil199711 ай бұрын
Great work as always. Really not impressed by the rust on that golf!! Can i just ask why you didn't replace both springs at the same time?
@themarvelousvlog11 ай бұрын
Content coming up for this! Little preview is that the whole subframe is getting replaced
@beauchampy5 ай бұрын
State of that arm and spring. Did the customer not fancy both sides doing?
@down4wat3va Жыл бұрын
Fantastic content… proper hustler this guy
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
We’re always hungry 💪🏽😤
@optic1972 Жыл бұрын
hmmm a couple of things i would question. 1) replace both springs at the same time and not just 1 side and 2) the eccentric bolts are single use only and when you do replace the wishbone the car should be going for a 4 wheel alignment. TBH the VW rear suspension set up is prone to wear, if you can I would always just remove the bushes and refit with poly bush which are lifetime guarantee...obviously if you dont have a huge rust hole in the side of the wishbone!
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Q1. Customer only said just one. Can’t really argue with him as it’s his car and budget. Personally I have recommended that and also to replace the other arm. No is the answer. Q2. I’m aware of that but again, not my budget. Customer could not wait TPS lead time of 2 days as the MOT retest will expire by the time the bolt becomes available. In regards to alignment he did go after his car passed the MOT. I’m not gunna lie, things were skipped such as the things that you mentioned but at the end of the day, I can only go ahead with what the customer asked me to do. I can suggest things but they can refuse 🤷🏽♂️ Thank you for your input though. I know a lot of people would find this helpful too! Appreciate you watching our video too! 💪🏽 🙌🏽
@noneofurbizness5155 Жыл бұрын
liked it! but a 12 plate with a rusted through control arm???? did they park it in the sea or something....that seems like mad rust for a 12 plate
@MarissaTheMuse Жыл бұрын
What leads are you using there? Is there a type of lead that’s called? That’s a normal multimeter or a power probe ?
@loubakker5000 Жыл бұрын
Well done. Good audio.
@johncalvin9703 Жыл бұрын
Love your work ethic…another little tip, repair/replace on both sides, good practice.
@barrymoney1946 Жыл бұрын
You did very well their is not much more you can do out side to keep things hot to melt the connector. I would have done the same good on you your the man.
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Thank you thank you!
@pandav4843 Жыл бұрын
last job with the spring,, there need alignment of the wheel when you remove that arm..
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
100% whenever I replace a suspension component, I always recommend to my customers to have their alignment done
@pcbuddy2479 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing the rear suspension arm, thats what i need to do as well, got massive play in rear, both sides, corroded springs, leaking shocks… bit worried about stuck bolts and alignment, did you mark up the camber bolt. Hopefully i can do it, any more tips would be appreciated 😊
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I’d say spray a sh*t tonne of WD40 before doing it. We just got lucky with this one I’d say 🥲 I regards to the camber bolt, yes marking helps but it will change regardless so best to take it for alignment after
@dosgos Жыл бұрын
Smart troubleshooting m8!
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We try!
@clivebannister7016 Жыл бұрын
Great work guys
@mattsilver8519 Жыл бұрын
Well done boy's 👍 great video as always
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
We try 😅 We have the Mrs to thank for the edits too 🫡
@mattsilver8519 Жыл бұрын
@@themarvelousvlog well done the Mrs to great work 😉
@paulwatts1704 Жыл бұрын
Great channel and hard workers.. It would be a good idea to invest in some knee / crawl matts etc to save your knees and back esp. as the weather gets cold and wet. May well save you a lot of pain in 10 - 15 yrs - at your age you feel immortal but age will catch up with you so good to look after yourself early on.. Don't forget eye protection too when crawling under old rusty cars - though I see you are careful on that point when using your wire brush-drill.
@Rusiputki Жыл бұрын
knee pads should never be used because there is a reason why you are not suppose to stay on your knees for a long period of time. I also use to think it was a good idea...
@terrycrook2349 Жыл бұрын
impressed good job lads
@MarissaTheMuse Жыл бұрын
I notice the UK has a lot more mobile everything. Which on one hand makes sense because the whole country can fit in a smaller US state but at the same time…that’s exactly why mobile mechanics would be so appreciated in the USA. I wonder if it’s a distance thing or a cultural thing.
@neiltitmus9744 Жыл бұрын
You could get some snap round for the cables
@blastingweevil2968 Жыл бұрын
Checking fuses while they are in place can be decieving you can get continuity through a fuse by the equipment the fuse is protecting especially if the Equipment has it's own Ground to body.. or power to battery,
@allen5976 Жыл бұрын
Found this video by accident, subbed now, 😊
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AnthonyHill-n4j Жыл бұрын
Another great video. What Autel do you use? Also how did you get to work for yourself, what training/experience did you have before?
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Got Autel MS919. Comes with oscilloscope too! It’s an awesome kit. Training-wise IMI do a lot of training that we attend to every 2 years to ensure that our knowledge is up to date. Our parts supplier supply this training too, direct from parts supplier like LUK, ZF, Bosch and Conti. Experience wise, BMW and Mini 🫡
@johnmeade3550 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff lads well done
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🫡
@MM2009 Жыл бұрын
Sprigs replaced in pairs, also wheel alignment required
@NobbyonDaNET10 ай бұрын
Well found but it would have been easier to tape the wires by taking the air pipe off or moving it away first
@neilg3364 Жыл бұрын
Did well to get those eccentric bolts out without having to cut them out
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I know! Got lucky with this one 😂
@woodant1981 Жыл бұрын
You know it's gonna be bad when it's a small petrol auto VAG based car😂
@ericharris4834 Жыл бұрын
Very good Wish you waz around where live
@billytee9747 Жыл бұрын
Not all mechanics are scammers, I heard from one that says "its the company who want us to scam customer in order to double the company profit. and anything you give out of pocket will go to that persons pocket unless the out of pocket is charge in your credit card or with a legit receipt (not voucher or invoice)".
@ssss-df5qz Жыл бұрын
Yeah I like green stuff too.... 😬
@chrismills9346 Жыл бұрын
That money made right there grate find 👍
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
That green stuff looks like ££ 😏
@stevenkillington5041 Жыл бұрын
I would be quite happy with the job good man
@mediaadgroup Жыл бұрын
Just subbed...Good job!
@bradmca2022 Жыл бұрын
What did you charge for the first job? Nice video btw
@Mrfort Жыл бұрын
Refreahing to see this from the uk.
@beef24v Жыл бұрын
Good work guys. Top job. looking forward to more 👍
@tadger Жыл бұрын
Made my cringe seeing the velar caliper being wedged out the way and not being secured/supported 😢
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Sorry! 🫣
@MartinJones-tl9kt Жыл бұрын
Where's you axle stand on the Range Rover?
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Left the chat mate 😅 everyone in the comment section is mentioning this haha! I promise I will have it from now on
@motographics Жыл бұрын
i sure hope your prices reflect that electrical repair ! lighter and electrical tape -.- didn't even bother get some Tessa tape... yikes
@curiosidicas Жыл бұрын
job really well done.
@mattsilver8519 Жыл бұрын
Do you think you could do a mobile van tour /toolbox tour I'm speaking for most people I think that would go down well 👍
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
That will be coming up soon. It’s in the pipeline 👀
@mattsilver8519 Жыл бұрын
@@themarvelousvlog looking forward to it 👍
@colinscutt5104 Жыл бұрын
in what world does rear brake wear cause abs control module errors? that previous garage needs reporting
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Apparently the guy with 20 years electric and mechanical experience was in a different world of his own 😂
@kwakgreen Жыл бұрын
Not good working practice relying on a trolley jack for support, use axle stands. front or rear springs should be replaced in pairs so they wear equally.
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I totally agree mate 😅 Bad practice that I just cba to take the jack stand out sometimes 💀
@untissify Жыл бұрын
They don’t wear equally though, potholes, road camber, kerbs, etc
@aden3113 Жыл бұрын
Crazy that a little vibration and some rubbing over time can cut through wires and insulation. Btw what brand brakes and rotors do you recommend? Is ATE and Pagid same as OEM?
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Took about 12 years for it to finally fail 😂 ATE is OEM to many car manufacturers, Pagid however isn’t but is equivalent to Brembo I’d say 🤷🏽♂️ *only my opinion
@grizleypsp Жыл бұрын
I had to replace a fuel line after I came out of its clip and rubbed on the air filter and sprayed diesel all over my engine bay, lucky it was diesel and not petrol
@iangilmartin75gilmartin78 Жыл бұрын
Good work
@ozhoneybadger Жыл бұрын
How much you charge for labour, oil, oil filter and air filter?
@scotspie501douglas7 Жыл бұрын
great video loving the content but please your co worker has trainers on and shorts
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
I’ve given him his full PPE and chooses not to wear it. I’ll get him to sort himself out!
@scotspie501douglas7 Жыл бұрын
thanks for replying I know not your fault tell him to read this ,i,ll kick your arse if you dont wear it it will save you and typical young guy great video...lol@@themarvelousvlog
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
@scotspie501douglas7 hahaha! We’ll @ you on the next video. Full PPE and 0 jewellery. Let’s see if he can pull his fashion then 😂
@shmeleu Жыл бұрын
Spring replacement 1side only? 😀
@themarvelousvlog Жыл бұрын
Not my choice mate. I always recommend both for even ride but definitely not my choice