This Just Got Worse...Somehow. Chronicles of Elyria - The 8 Million Dollar Deception

[@KiraTV1]

Guys , please stop leaving the exact same comment " but 4x is already a game genre you know". Yeah I get it , I didn't know that's what 4x stands for(despite playing the genre for years, I just never looked it up) but even if the queen herself wrote that I'd still call it goofy. Just a weird way to stylise text. And this is also in no way a 4x game or an mmo, let alone a mmo4x 😄 Ps. Love you

[@Otembe]

how it was written makes me think of the film 'eXistenZ' by David Cronenberg. And now im imagining Caspian surgically connecting me to a game pod...

[@KiraTV1]

Makes me think of that scene from Harold and kumar with the extreme bros 😄 all I can think of when I read that

[@AZodiacCancer]

What is 4x genre I've never heard of that?

[@jotto5866]

@@AZodiacCancer it's a strategy game subgenre like civilization 6, Age of Wonders 3, Stellaris, Endless Space/Legend and Humankind for an upcoming one :)

[@TheJackofrost]

That Agreement License is scummy but its exploitable on a massive level. You can't bring them to court as a class action, that's for sure, but what you can do is flooding them with arbitration requests if you want to ruin them financially, they literally won't have the financial power to handle all of them at once (and by judging their finances I can see they can handle 10 arbitrations at best) on top of that if they reside in Florida by the law its stated they must pay for the abitration expenses which could totally ruin them. Laws have always a loophole.

[@Liminalitytv]

I clicked this link faster than Caspian sent his 8 million dollars to an offshore bank account.

[@maxm04a]

i doubt that haha

[@lemonybiscuits4824]

Don't forget his covid payout from the trump as well :)

[@AngelaMerici12]

Those are far gone.

[@northgambit]

hahaha what a comment! Same here man, I love this "series"! Even more than the Earth2 disaster

[@mattiagiannotti5124]

@@northgambit earth 2 is the king, they have an amazing project and people that call it a scam don't have no idea about what the projects is about

[@propjam2]

This guy is just an absolute shyster. "So to avoid loosing the millions I scammed from my first game, my second lame version of my game is actually a trap contract that denys you to persue legal action" This guy, he is a shady piece of work.

[@ian_b]

2025: Bedroom Of Elyria announced.

[@ttabood7462]

@@ian_b Closet of Elyria will be out way before then. :D

[@andhieyusuf7008]

indeed. unlike other scam video game projects, Caspian knows how to cover himself with technicalities.

[@VidalIC]

Do US laws allow that? In my country those types of one sided forced contract are easily nullified as one side had total control and uperhand of the means.

[@pudding2675]

@Honudes Gai Practically this. Also of note is that if you are found of felony charges, literally all of your contract defense goes right out of the window. Say, for example you intentionally manipulated people into providing funding for a non-existent product with criminal intent... *cough cough* At that point, no contract is going to save your life. You will be dragged to court, and will be held accountable as per the findings and result of that court proceeding.

[@idgafboutnethang]

That photoshopped picture of the forest that was released to the backers as "concept art" was the nail in the coffin. Lmao the audacity of this guy never ceases to amaze me.

[@chrisbaker3795]

Lets be honest this story is much more interesting than the game would have ever been

[@Assassinss77]

What if this is the game? This whole story.

[@BDUF]

What if this is a Bob's Game situation where the real "Chronicles of Elyria" was an ARG about a this corrupt developer and incompetent studio?

[@KingLouis420th]

@@BDUF was it confirmed that bobs game was an ARG? Pretty fucking bizarre shit nonetheless

[@BDUF]

@@KingLouis420th I just watched Atrocity Guide's video on it, would recommend. I'm not sure if he was serious about it being an ARG, that we were always playing Bob's Game, but he definitely did try to claim that at one point.

[@KingLouis420th]

@@BDUF I too learned about it from atrocity guide (great channel) and was just wondering if anything else had happened. Trippy shit haha

[@jaylapointe4907]

THE BEST VIDEO SERIES ON KZbin RETURNS!!!

[@KiraTV1]

😂

[@SoundBubble]

One of those examples that clearly show that you shouldn't just sign everything people put in front of you, especially when it's someone who's been lying to you for years and tries to shut down your court case.

[@PenguinDT]

Yay, the madness continues! I don't play MMOs and I didn't back this... but I'm hooked on this rollercoaster. I guess now I understand the phrase 'can't look away from a train wreck'

[@MrRhoidRage]

I have zero financial investment in this game and never intended to. I am fully emotionally invested in the story of how “The chronicles of Elyria was NOT made”

[@roflBeck]

Same. I'm amused by both this and Earth 2. I wouldn't touch these 'games' with an 11 foot pole though. I could have more fun with one of my old GBA games lol.

[@OvAeons]

You call it a rollercoaster but it has only gone straight down XD

[@PenguinDT]

@@OvAeons True, but it still manages to find ways to produce gut-wrenching twists and turns

[@GrubbJunker]

Let's see what's in today's episode of Keeping up with the Caspian.

[@musikalniyfanboichik]

There is no way for us mere mortals to keep up with him, for this man is beyong this world

[@Hauntedhighheel]

Well crap. 😄

[@UncleSkiBum]

Love the fact you post this on every single video, I always scroll to check out

[@GrubbJunker]

​@@UncleSkiBum Who, me? I don't.

[@UncleSkiBum]

@@GrubbJunker oh maybe it wasn't you but every single video on KOE has a keeping up with the Caspians comment just as you wrote it 😁

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Is this the first video game developed purely to avoid a lawsuit?

[@twintrbo92]

It’s looking like this is the case 😂

[@WansVids]

Yes, this seems to be their attempt to create a "get out of jail free" card. So if you download their thinly veiled Unity husk, they're absolved of owing you anything and you can't pursue legal action. Great stuff Caspian

[@KiraTV1]

Could well be

[@mattcg149]

It's almost like a virus

[@bent404]

Highly doubt it’s the first.

[@hollowhex9109]

Sat down after work, got a beer, got some steak, now time to listen to kira trash on some scammers, you're doin gods work kira.

[@KiraTV1]

Enjoy your evening brother

[@jeka1030]

So basically, he tries to fuck you over with a fog of war demo while forcing you to sign away all your rights as a customer so he can walk away unpunished. Yeah, fuck that, I will see him burried into the ground with the lawsuit.

[@sujimayne]

Realistically? You won't get anywhere with it. No one's getting their money back. They know what they're doing.

[@vinhix]

@@sujimayne hmm I dont know how it works for european kickstarters though. Not even the biggest companies can avoid the EU regulations for consumers. So I wonder whats the plan with them. Unless there's not a class suit against him there, since it would involved people from different countries, which would make it difficult.

[@WillowGreenheart]

@@vinhix European Commision is working in cases like that. They can handle group claims from EU countries without problem. Even online if needed.

[@DarinM1967]

Fact: He isn't developing the game he advertised and got backing for. Fact: He's trying to get people to agree to not class action sue him and trying to peddle a totally different and far worse quality game that has nothing to do, other then the last half of the game's name. Fact: He's a crook and needs to be SUED INTO THE F-ING STONEAGE!!! HE NEEDS TO BE AN EXAMPLE!!!

[@DarkCobra88]

I wont attest to knowing law or anything but surely your comments here should be enough for any court to realise this guy is a fake and is scamming everyone. Last i checked, when you purchase anything via a order on lets say Amazon, if you order shoes, a playstation, bedsheets etc, you expect to get the item you purchased and them refusing you your item worth much more is breaking their agreed terms as a merchant. Surely its the same here? He took 8million to develop a game no one agreed to or wants, that is bait and switching peoples cash.

[@morpheas768]

@@DarkCobra88 Its not the same as ordering an item of Amazon or any other store like you said. It is the nature of Kickstarter/GoFundMe etc, to only have to deliver that which was explicitly promised. But even in the case when they dont (Caspian didnt), you cant actually take them to court just for that, unless there was a specific delivery date attached to what you were promised. The thing is, I dont know exactly what were the backer rewards and how it was phrased exactly, but even if I were to look it up right now, it wouldnt matter so much, because there are separate agreements and conditions for Kickstarter, and those need to be examined by a lawyer. So the short answer is: Only a lawyer who has experience in these things can tell us how likely it is that a class action lawsuit can be won against Caspian. The only thing I know for sure, is that Caspian is a slippery little rattlesnake, and he's just trying to get away after biting us.

[@metalenceladus]

@@morpheas768 Even if a lawyer has a case, making any speculations on the result is usually not something they like to do. People are pissed off at this though, if Caspian had any significant support, they wouldn't have been bankrupt in the first place. This has gone farther than that, as many of the pissed off people have legitimately filed against SBS. This ToS scheme won't work, because aside from the real stupid, most of these backers don't want KoE, and won't accept it as a consolation prize. If he had any significant backing left, comments and likes wouldn't be disabled on all of his update videos. This is beyond Kickstarter, because the majority of the funds raised were done outside of it through Xsolla, who is on the hook for this as well. Is it possible nothing comes of it? Of course. But I will speculate that if there was no threat to Caspian, he wouldn't be clowning around with KoE. He wouldn't be putting clauses in the ToS that try to waive peoples right to sue.

[@DarkCobra88]

@@morpheas768 Interesting read and thanks for clarifying. It's only a shame to hear that this guy could potentially slither out of this one using his crummy put together banished duplicate. I honestly think this guy from the start did his research and knew he didn't have to deliver $8 million of golden gameplay and bank the rest. Heck, i wouldn't be shocked to see his balance sheets are mostly lies, As you say though, the only thing for sure is how Caspian is a dirty little snake who feeds of peoples money and likely has no intention on making anything good. It would be interesting see his backers meet him face to face one day...

[@gateroozeink5061]

There are some rights you cannot effectively waive in a contract, and quite often a judge will disregard clauses that attempt to restrict you from taking legal action.

[@nickmudd]

I can't wait for this documentary to come out when its all over

[@todd.cannon]

Ok, I'll just launch a Kickstarter, raise ten million dollars, pay Callum Upton's team eight million to create it, and pocket the other two million, LOL!!!

[@TheKindKitten]

Maybe. I assume finishing nightmare world will take us years first, though. haha XD

[@LegendaryDesu]

That's... Literally how it works. You could do that.

[@LegendaryDesu]

Let's assume 4 years in development. Each employee 70,000 P/A. 8x70,000= 560,000 a year. Set aside an additional 30% of that amount as a buffer for overtime or workplace BBQs/ morale boosting celebrations so like. 650k a year. 4x650k is only like 2.8Mill. Pay yourself as employee at the same rate or slightly more, you have absolutely no necessity to "Work" You've just given yourself the ability to not "work" forever. With the ability to employ others for X amount of years. As an employee of your own company you're covered by a bunch of different legislation etc that benefits you. The idea that people fuck this part up baffles me.

[@todd.cannon]

@@LegendaryDesu Damn, I didn't expect actual ENCOURAGEMENT, LOL!!!

[@Rob2k22]

@@todd.cannon make a kickstarter and watch

[@SsnakeBite]

This NDA is so shady I have to wonder if it's even legally enforceable.

[@KingLouis420th]

Most likely not. A scam is a scam regardless. And courts usually recognize that and nullify BS contractual agreements

[@pudding2675]

@@KingLouis420th Yip, felony supercedes contractual obligation courtwise. Also they basically made their own contract unenforcable by making it about a video game, yet included the phrase that they may or may not ever release the game. The game is the literal contract objectual. If the game doesn't exist, or doesn't get released, they literally cant enforce the NDA. That part alone is an absolute oxymoron in such an NDA. Heck, the sheer vagueness of some of the contract clauses on their own would make it unenforcable, as they are effectively open-handed goalpost moves, which wont work in contract law. A contract has to be de facto deterministic. You can't have a contract about, say, getting violin lessons in a music school - but they also force you to buy a certain insurance, and also enforce you to walk the red light/aggressively jaywalk. That doesn't work. It has to have a strict objectual framework to even be enforcable Imagine it would actually uphold. You break the NDA. They drag you to court due to that for Kingdom of Elyria. The way it is worded, they would be able to drag you to court for the next project they create for breaking the KoE NDA. And the next one after that, retroactively, too. Primarily due to the vague, non-deterministic statements and clauses made. That thing is as much worth as a paperweight. Note: Not an actual lawyer, but seen my fair chair of NDAs being in the business myself.

[@sujimayne]

It is.

[@sujimayne]

@@pudding2675 You will not prove that it's a scam, sorry. Remember this comment in the next 5-10 years.

[@KingLouis420th]

@@sujimayne he won’t, but lawyers definitely will. Sorry that you believe in this game.

[@doggonemess1]

I want to say a big thanks to you and the other KZbinrs who take heat for bringing these 'games' to our attention and keeping on it for the rest of us! It also makes for some interesting content. I've learned more about Kickstarter, KZbin, and game development in the last few weeks than I had in my entire life before.

[@metalenceladus]

100%. Please give a coin to your Watcher, if able, to continue this sort of activity on KZbin. The scammers are only going to up the ante, we need to be able to call this shit out when it happens. At the very least, share with friends or family that are interested in this struggle and want to keep gaming fair and true.

[@JoelElRican]

This has definitely become my favorite part of the week, Kira. Keeping up with the Caspians

[@DrewShoeful]

“Heigh ho, heigh ho, it’s off to jail we go, when the FBI looks, at Caspian’s books, heigh ho, heigh ho heigh ho, bye ho.” - song playing in my head rn while I smile :)

[@snakehead7]

This series is better than a tv show, with all its insane twists and turns

[@hristo_yonkov]

i think kira is so angry cause he back the game himself and that is the reason to hate em so much :D

[@reka10]

There are no twists and only one turn though. A twist would be if it turns out it wasn't a straight up scam.

[@svens.2876]

4X is actually the name of the genre of strategy games that have those 4 elements as core gameplay mechanics like Civilzations or some Total War games. Granted in the case of Chronicles of Elyria it sounds a bit lofty doesnt it xD

[@KiraTV1]

If anyone looks at kingdoms of elyria and sees a 4x they must be on that good shit

[@blvck5943]

@@KiraTV1 kinda shit I need, who supplying?

[@Killerbee-xh2bg]

@@blvck5943 Caspian has a pretty good supply

[@ejvarnir5387]

4X is one of my favorite genres, people like these games for the complexity and the epic scale. So far he’s giving us some randomly generated beards and an apple tree

[@Kissamiess]

Yes, it's a fairly niche genre but really addictive for its fans. Civilization is pretty much only mainstream one. Master of Orion is another relatively well known classic.

[@adriano7710]

I'm having a really hard time with personal stuff rn, and your videos bring me some good mins of distraction and piece, tyvm! Hope you're doing well, and keep up the good work!

[@KiraTV1]

I hope things improve for you bro, truly.

[@adriano7710]

@@KiraTV1 Thanks for the reply! You're awesome!

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

This whole shot show is the gift that keeps giving.

[@zerooskil7161]

i support profiting of of a scammer >.> and doing it legit too haha

[@willcarlton3906]

The grift that keeps on gritting!

[@Mamsaturatdevoi]

"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that meddling Kira". Honestly, I think Caspian thought that most backers would just agree to these terms and contract without reading it or without realizing all the implications. I bet there are a lot of backers who wouldn't have imagined that SB Studios is capable of such broad day f##kery. It's so good that we have people like you to raise awareness, educate and help fight back against these spineless thieves.

[@huldricfranconian2699]

The NDA is a joke. Love your content, Kira!

[@apex1568]

Caspian is such a worm. He's holding what content he has managed to create at ransom and to get access to this dumpster fire you have to waive your rights to hold him accountable to his obligation to deliver what he originally promised. I knew this guy couldn't be trusted just by looking at him, but this reveals just how despicable he really is. if anyone can't see his ill intent after this, they have lost all sanity.

[@Jabarri74]

I truly doubt they created anything. They have shown no assets in game, he seems like a megalomaniac/ narcissistic type of person. Did they ever employ anyone? WTF did he do with 8 mill other than live the high life and is now hiring the dodgiest lawyers to try to escape

[@Rhae7193]

exactly the content i needed on a day being sick, ly kira

[@KiraTV1]

Get well soon mate!

[@stefanocaraci4017]

Weren’t you burn and killed by your half brother , Aegon Second of its name ?

[@astraamastacia2427]

Hope you are doing good man, excited for the next video to showcase more of this mess, the layer talk sounds like it will be interesting

[@Aquelll]

I think most courts in the EU would laugh that EULA out the door.

[@BRDScorpion]

I would like to see one player from EU dragging them into the court.

[@Jabarri74]

May as well just write your moneys gone we spent 20 mins on a game and now you can't sue us sign here dickhead

[@pauls5745]

yeah, I'd think it's not legally binding, because it came out afterwards, and a backer would have the rights that exist at the time of giving money at the beginning

[@Aquelll]

@@pauls5745 Also the legal system works totally differently in the EU. Where as in the US you can enter into an agreement and waive your legal protections as a consumer in the EU you cannot. The law sets the minimum level of customer rights and those laws always take precedent over any EULA's. So waving your legal customer protection is not even possible.

[@morpheas768]

@@Aquelll ​ @Ackwell I think you're probably correct, but still, wouldnt it look better in court if the backers never downloaded KoE Alpha and never accepted that agreement?

[@rafi9781]

Seems like they spend more time “up dating” there legal Mumbai Jumbo than actually using all that energy to making a product people can look forward to.

[@Sirmellowman]

LOL that picture of that tree that he claims to be concept art, thats here in washington state in a very rural park in the cascades, ive been there.

[@Glanfold]

All the time I keep asking myself: "Is Caspian just an ordinary fraudster or is he outright mad"?

[@lihisluikku]

Eh, compared to a somewhat known man, Chris Roberts, who is just mad and for years proven to not be a fraud, Caspian is 100% a fraud. Even if he lies to himself about being a fraud, he still is one. The egghead has no skills, he is incompetent, all he can do is lie. The only question is "does he also lie to himself, or just the public?". Either he is a delusional fraud, or a clear minded fraud. Compare that to CR who seemed like a questionable fraud/madman for a year or two. After he started making progress and pushing it to players, it has been clear he is no fraud, just a wee bit mad in the head. But then again, the line between madness and genius has always been blurry. Time will show if he was a mad genius, or just mad.

[@yahootube90]

Both. Given the things he's been writing/saying for years and how passionate he was about his stories and stuff, I think he truly is delusional. But, he's obviously a fraudster, too. If he wasn't in the beginning, he certainly is now.

[@hanh3043]

if it quacks like a duck...

[@123Handbuch]

He is like on of them delusional restaurant owners of that show where that Gordon Ramsey is trying to help them but they all still suck and in the end the restaurants are doomed to fail. If Caspian were a cook who can't cook he'd think his food is the shiat.

[@ramonrodriguezist]

The contract basically is "I can do what i want, but you can't do anything against me" agreement

[@tedricdabored4689]

I clicked on this thinking it was Callum's nightmare world game lol

[@AZodiacCancer]

This game development and his scam had been a nightmare thus far.

[@markpereira65]

So basically they're asking to take away a) your right to collective action, and b) your expectation for any game whatsoever, and even if you do raise an issue, instead of the regular court system you have to literally resolve this against an "arbitration tribunal". Yeah, not suspicious whatsoever.

[@thehubbleton]

Perfectly savage and spot-on take, sir.

[@JordyValentine]

Haha, the eyes on the character models make me laugh every time

[@SallinKari]

So fun story about removing the class action ability is that it might screw him. You see, a lot of times for arbitration the company has to pay the bigger portion of the fees. While customer has to fork over a few hundred, the company has to pay a few thousands, sometimes up to 10 thousand to cover the costs... and if thousands of people do that, then all of a sudden they need to pay millions, even if at the end the arbitrators say everything is fine and the company isn't liable. There have been a few cases where the company tries to turn it into a class action because the whole point of that is to reduce legitagition costs, and the courts just slap them down and say, "No, this is the agreement you signed. You can't back out of it because your terms weren't as advantageous as you thought."

[@timthetoolmantaylor9048]

Safe to say this is the Greatest DBZ Saga of all time and thank you for continuing to cover this

[@JonOHthan]

At first I felt this guy needed to get that money taken away. Now I feel like he needs some prison time

[@BK-hp8cj]

Terms of service aren't really all that ironclad in courts eyes. I wouldn't worry too much about Terms you agree to, as a half-decent defense team would point out the terms are absurd and no one reads them line for line. Of course, my only source of this is business law class while getting my MBA so huge large grain of salt of my extremely limited understanding of how terms of service that are essentially insane hold up in courts (loosely at best when it comes to absurd terms).

[@AliothAncalagon]

I would be able to confirm that those terms of service would be completely irrelevant in the EU, where I come from. But I don't know about the US. There are quite some ridiculous legal rabbit holes there.

[@Nimroc]

Not to mention in this case the ToS is basically for people that have already given money to them, so even if the ToS was less insane I would imagine at least some courts would prioritise the earlier promises to backers over the ToS.

[@lordofentropy]

At least in the US, EULAs aren't worth the paper/doc they're written on. Companies for decades have tried to put all sorts of crazy crap in EULAs and the courts just laugh at them.

[@gmlviper]

Large class action suits dismiss tos in the first minute.

[@wargames43]

On top of all this keep in mind that this contract CAN not be used towards Chronicles of Elyria because its not that game and that product is already cancled so YOU can still sue them for CoE however it will be harder to sue them for KoE if you signed it. But then again even court can see this as a massive scam from miles away. Even if Terms of Service say things they still cannot overpower the Law. Especially here in the EU all 4 of those lines wont hold. Especially the You cant sue us but we can sue you is a no go in the EU since we have the equality rule that you cannot simply forbid a user from somthing while a corporation CAN do something. Terms and conditions are mostly meant to prevent author theft and protect the company against bullshit lawsuits e.g. promised purple gun but you got a green one for compensation. However court can and will see trought the sharade of the bait and switch. (Most court judges have specific people that can rule out stuff like ex-game developers who can testify for things). All in all atleast from Europe its almost a save bet you can sue them even after signing as those terms cant be uphold in Europe court.

[@davecarsley8773]

"We want feedback on our alpha to help improve it, so we'll prioritize sending it to the people who never ever ever criticize us" Brilliant idea. Just brilliant.

[@asfandrkhan]

I do financial due diligence for a living… would love to see their Income statement! also Balance sheet is useless, better to have Income statement

[@asfandrkhan]

@David Blackman to be honest basic Financial statements (Balance sheet, Cashflow and Income statement) on a monthly basis will easily show us what went wrong!

[@asfandrkhan]

@David Blackman lol you have no clue on data protection.. this kind of information would never be shared. Only in a criminal investigation or civil law suit and as part of discovery for a select group of people. If they share anything it will be in their best interest to tell the truth rather then lie which may put them in more trouble.

[@asfandrkhan]

@David Blackman yup!

[@alexarroyo8657]

Not gonna lie, love the content. Helping people out with knowledge while making hilarious banter. Keep up the work!

[@EpicNagash]

Correction. Influence was based on how much you donated, kings being the highest. You could get the good boy points added to that, but that is a very minor amount in comparison.

[@confusedkemono]

"No, you're crawling, you absolute fuckin Melvin" that got me

[@-games5524]

Love you Kira! Thank you for all of your MMO-goodness!

[@rhawkas2637]

14:25 "you absolute fucking Melvin" Phrases like this are why I love British (?) slang. XD

[@Xcellll122]

While it is silly, the capital X thing is actually used by other games in the 4X genre.

[@KiraTV1]

I play 4x games and I've never seen that but then again I don't sit reading product descriptions , 4x is 4x to me

[@marovecvralt1361]

Point of clarification - influence was also primarily earned by how much money you spent, not just "good boy points" (though those happened occasionally as well).

[@heidichalfant5643]

As an a2 backer I have spent thousands on this game. I am tied between excepting KOE knowing COE will never be made or finding out how to partake in the lawsuit. It is clear he wants the people that spent the most to download the game and will download the game and that is less he will have to shell out in the lawsuit. He made it clear he never planned to make COE and never will, now he wants everyone to sign and state they understand that and agree not to sue him for it. He shot himself in the foot by putting that truth in the download agreement.

[@FuryOnIce]

Oooh yes, can never get enough doses of the business adventures of an absolute melvin. Keep em coming man

[@lolimmune]

Clicked this so hard. Spill that tea sir.

[@MrRtel]

Love it! Keep the videos coming haha. So glad I did not back this. Did see the first vew videos when they announced it and was pretty excited at first tho.

[@hjelpen5387]

back for another episode of "keeping up with the kaspian"

[@l.f.antrider1795]

Not playing any games rn. Lost my computer to homelessness and haven't built a new one sine I been out but I appreciate your important work calling out these cons. Glad to know other people taking up the mantle of those like Sterling and our dear lost friend Total Biscuit

[@CaptainNow2]

Grabbing my popcorn for this...

[@redreider186]

"I look like a heroin addict but I feel like a heroin addict from reading this absolute fucking shambles of a contract" God I love your commentary Kira hahahaha

[@Bumbleoni]

They've spent more effort on their legalese escape clauses than they have making an actual game

[@zheartlezz]

Nothing better than coming home from work and seeing that there is a new KiraTV episode about kingdom of elyria

[@rainbii]

this is absolutely insane... but at the same time, i'm not surprised...

[@devinm9245]

I just realized what you said at 1:20 "This email will be sent by descending order of influence." the implication being if you haven't contributed you may not receive an email... The most spammable form of communication since 1999

[@ThomasHermJr]

"We're not here to take your money for the game and run; we're here to ensure you can't get your money back, and that we can take your money in lawsuits. big difference" seriously though, for an incompetent waste, he sure is throwing out some decent legal tactics. Probably from that "PR Team" money. Totally not defense attorneys.

[@Athasin]

He should, he has 8 million to spend on lawyers.

[@hashnotall6263]

Remember; contract terms can be illegal, and thus render the contract void ab initio. A contract that "You are buying X, but we might not give you X." is probably not going to hold up in court.

[@Eirexeyes]

Arbitration ALWAYS favours the gaming companies. I've seen this mostly with Riot games. There are others also but its been so long I can't even remember the companies or the reasons... I just remember that it was all unjust with tons of evidence against and yet it was ruled in favour of the defendants. About sexual assault or sexual misconduct or it was just bro culture 🤔

[@jubei7259]

That was a very different thing though. With financial irregularities, there's always a paper trail that can be followed but sexual harassment is very subjective & difficult to prove without hard evidence.

[@dumpstercat2229]

If someone has to explicitly state “I’m not scamming you…” chances are that they are

[@McLoven-vm1ck]

I hope none of the backers have signed off as agreeing with these terms. Hopefully they instead decided that this project and it's producer can get f'd as they wait for this clown show to eventually go to court.

[@MaterialBlade]

"Descending order of influence" I would have interpreted as "people who paid the most money get in first."

[@vyntarus9618]

Kingdoms of Elyria is an anagram for "I liked rosy fog, man"

[@Nomanspie]

I came here for the shit storm. I wasn't disappointed. Nice work yet again Kira. I've seen a bunch of your videos but this one made me click that sub button. It honestly seems like this Caspian dude is totally insane.

[@KatilinaWRaven]

Omg, I'm in washington and find the fact they threatened aaa. Yes a bunch of the legal Jurgen is there but with how scummy the creation of the game has been so far a layer would have so much fun with this case. 🤣🤦‍♀️

[@TheLevitatingChin]

All I want to know is how the fog struggle is going.

[@tylerbreazeale9964]

Oh it's an eXploitation game alright, he nailed that aspect. Also maybe I misunderstood but how the heck is he gonna prevent you from taking him to court for not delivering a game if opening it, even just to see if it functions, disqualifies you from taking him to court? It's Schrodinger's fucking game. "Pay me $60 for this game CD case, there may or may not be a game in there but once you open it you can't return it." People shelled out for a game, not a lotto ticket! It would be grossly unjust if this dumb gimmick covers his ass.

[@pudding2675]

He cant. And it is absolutely asinine of him to even think that this worthless piece of digital paper is worth its figurative weight.

[@gg533]

Oh lovely, a new episode of KiraTV's surreal TV show, Catching Up with Caspian.

[@nyxnightmare3542]

The description of this game literally describes Guild 2, and that game is actually PLAYABLE. So if you want a game that promises political manipulation, just go buy The Guild 2. It's honestly lightyears better than this trash.

[@pvnmnn378]

+1

[@MrRhoidRage]

Pretty sure games like Black Desert and New World have the “political manipulation” description as well

[@justinwhite2725]

I enjoyed The Guild 2.

[@adc1222]

My favourite part of these videos is whenever Kira calls Caspian an "absolute fucking Melvin". It just makes me laugh my ass off every time

[@VideoGamingSociety]

Oh yes, he will become the most hated "game developer" ever, now. For some time I wasn't sure he's capable of becoming the "most" out of anything!

[@xorinzor]

not sure, Dreamworld is a great contender for that title too

[@Cardan011]

He is not legit game developer in my opinion, it’s some moron who larped as one as result show.

[@jawaharnidamboor5358]

Haha Kira. It is fun to see your love for Caspian :P ... Thanks for the video mate!

[@MisterNightfish]

"To help us make one game, we are making a different game" Why does a statement like that need debunking and how is anyone defending it? Nevermind that in that different game that we're making we can't even get fog of war to work properly, a technology mastered by dune 2 in 1993.

[@yahootube90]

Man, they've now worked on like 6 different games to "help make CoE". There's been low-poly, voxels, etc. They've even changed game engines like 4 times. I don't see how anything they say or do can be defended in court if the prosecutors do even the slightest bit of research.

[@LautaroQ2812]

That 3rd one holy shit. I remember in one of the latest videos you said "Guys, if they send anything. Don't download, don't play it".

[@vesper2020]

Do lineage 2 classic talking island server T.T Leoz runs the server and NC soft let’s him and clan mates bot/do what ever they want in wide open. Killing the player base :s wouldn’t take too much effort to expose how corrupt NC soft truly is

[@LKLM138]

Caspian must be building up his résumé. He is aiming for some high office.

[@yahootube90]

Unfortunately, pursuing office requires a lot of money. But don't worry, Caspian will launch a new King-starter project so that his deluded cult followers can help crown him.

[@DerekDumas]

Kira is a trooper, man. A true Chad. Back from the hospital and still putting out content so people don't sign a bullS*** NDA.

[@Uncle-JJJJ]

Yeeeeees! Best birthday gift! Thanks Kira!

[@KiraTV1]

Happy birthday mate !

[@fuileadan]

two things, pretty sure you could buy influence points in the packs so its not just forum points issued by mods/devs, and all 4X games do the caps X in the explanation of what they are. outside of that, good video bro :P

[@KillerGirlLucy]

Yes!! More on our favorite trainwreck! Thanks for all the hard work Kira!

[@socialistcatdad]

Don't as why cause I have literally no clue, but I really like the way you pronounce the word "completely" lol

[@edwardfranklin4467]

your face is so hi-def and im so drunk its freaking me out. love your content

[@ciretaorg]

idk why but I'm super invested into this story. I never heard of the game before your 18min video

[@thelonesomewanderer8359]

my favourite time of the week! never fails to deliver

[@maindsy182]

This is going to be a Netflix documentary in a few years.

[@pudding2675]

Or a NoClip documentary.

[@shortymac1973]

Lol this video series just gets better and better each time

[@jordanmartinetti8224]

I would love to have a contract lawyer read through it and determine what's actually legal and what they're bullshitting.

[@XxJGVxX]

He is going to wait for everyone to sign that agreement and call it for sure...

[@ApacheSmash]

Caspian turns up to the sesh, does everyone elses gear and then takes the 20 pound note with him. The absolute weasel.

[@leviseul6885]

When lawyers and a marketing team are making a game you get Chronicles of Elyria.

[@MegaSchlangemann]

It blows my mind that over a decade ago I could log onto Steam and get effectively a free-to-me game, developed by coders in their spare time, in the hopes that they would get some cash from the platform, and greenlit because it kicked ass, and every single one of those games was lightyears ahead of this shite. Just... how? Even a scammer should realize that all you need to do is pay a half dozen competent coders a years supply of cool ranch and code red and BAM you'll have something actually playable and looking like a decent piece.

[@preoximerianas]

There is absolutely no way a contract like that would hold up in any court.

[@ImTheMariner]

maybe this is like the movie "The Game" you pay money so we can see this story unfold, truly a masterpiece of how to avoid lawsuits

[@jonrambodude]

I don't even own a computer but I'm regularly check in and watch these videos great stuff