This Makes NO SENSE! Mandalorian Theory

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There’s something that really doesn’t add up in season 3 episode 7 of the mandalorian. And it's really bugging me. Specifically, regarding the title of the episode. Episode 7 of season 3 is titled The Spies, which isn’t at all world changing, but it does become a bit of a mystery when you look back on the episode. More specifically, who are the spies? Looking back at the episode it not really clear who the spies are?
I mean the closest thing that we got to anything related to spies or spycraft was the opening scene of the episode with Kane reporting to Moff Gideon. But you can hardly name an episode after such a short opening scene, and not to mention, Kane is really the only spy that we know of. And given that the title is The Spies, indicating its plural, Kane is definitely not the focus of the episode. And that’s pretty much it, or at least that appears to be the case. So it really begs the question of who the spies are, were they even featured in the episode or was it really just a badly named episode?
Well looking back at the episode, I think there are three distinct possibilities as to who might be the mystery spy, that being the armorer or the new mandalorian faction, the mandalorian survivors, and someone from Bo Katan’s ranks.
Starting with the armorer, the episode does go a long way in arousing some suspicion regarding her recent behavior. The most obvious case being her timely departure from the rest before they reached the forge. Following their meeting with the mandalorian survivors, we learn that several of the mandalorian survivor’s crew are critically injured. As stated by the armourer herself, they are far too weak to continue the journey with the rest of them. And seemingly under the pretext that they need immediate medical attention, the armourer offers to ferry them back to the mandalorian fleet. And so the timing of this is a little bit suspect, especially since the crew was about to reach the Great Forge. Which hints at the possibility that she knew what was coming up ahead. But besides the timing, there is also a question about why the armorer would choose not to go to the forge despite her talking about it in a previous episode and her primary profession being the blacksmith of the mandalorians. I mean it would make a lot of sense that the armorer would be super eager to go to the great forge since she appears to revere it so much and it is super tied into her role as a mandalorian. And so her decision to just suddenly turn around, not really hesitating to do so, is a little suspect. You’d imagine that someone who revered the great forge would at the very least hesitate to turn around, but the armorer doesn’t seem to go through this. On the contrary she was rather decisive. Another thing to note is actually the fact that the style of Moff Gideon’s helmet seems to match stylistically with that of the armourer. Both Moff Gideon and the armorer’s helmet share the similar characteristic of having these spikes. A characteristic that none of the other mandalorians share in this episode. Also not to mention, much of the episode was spent on scenes with the armorer ferrying the injured mandalorians back to the fleet. Scenes where they could have easily just cut out if it was really the case that the armorer was simply flying back to the fleet with no ulterior motive. And so this definitely creates a lot of suspicion as to whether there is a possible link between Moff Gideon and the Armorer. Certainly there are a lot of fans out there who think so.
However, I am not entirely certain this is the case. The biggest problem with this theory is that what possible motivation could the armorer have for being a spy for Moff Gideon? We know from episodes in the Book of Boba Fett, that the armorer doesn’t like Moff Gideon, in fact we even hear her agree with Paz that justice for Moff Gideon’s crimes would be his death. Not to mention, we’ve spent about 2 seasons worth of time with the armorer establishing her as someone devoted to the mandalorian cause. So her jumping ship would seem rather odd and out of nowhere, especially considering the fact that she was the one who instructed Bo Katan to bring the mandalorians together. A fact which Moff Gideon was unaware of until Kane reported back to him (scene). Which seems unlikely if it were really the case that the armorer was now somehow working for him. Also you have to remember that it was Moff Gideon’s stomtroopers that conducted the massacre on the tribe back in season 1, so I find it hard to believe that the armourer could switch so easily. It really all boils down to what sort of motivation would the armorer even have to be moff gideon’s spy? And not to mention, the title refers to spy in its plural form, so I really don’t think...

[@jon6309]

Another clue we got was when one of the Imperial War lord mentioned “there are imperial loyalist found on every planet in the galaxy!” If that statement holds true then it’s very possible a Mandalorian would fit in that category.

[@luketimewalker]

ooooh nice catch Or, it's the Morlocks ^^

[@lunamax1214]

Could be a subversion, given that, you know, Moff Gideon's forces are based out of Mandalore.

[@Charles-Darwin]

I noticed a moment when they spot the 'pirate ship' (the stranded mandos are piloting) approaching them. The Armorer is focused for just a second - stepping forward ahead of everyone else, almost eager to see WHO is on the ship. I think she was looking for someone in particular. A lost ally? A friend? A former cohort member? A leader of some kind? There is definitely something to this scene for sure because of how they framed it. I don't see anyone else discussing it.

[@bettysinger4138]

I was thinking how is it the Survivors hadn’t noticed all the imperial ships coming & going from Mandalorians🤔🤔?

[@maulisthelord]

When the stranded "Mandalorians" were talking to Bo-Katan, they didn't even know that they surrendered at the end of the war. This alone makes me question if they are even Mandalorian at all they could easily be Imperials wearing dead people's armor. If they are Mandalorians how ignorant do you have to be to not know that your own leader surrendered.

[@luketimewalker]

My thoughts exactly, only taken to the next level! I was wondering about the plural title, The Armorer was strange, the Mad Max people could be fakes, however I had not considered Ax Woves. Also, I believe the Mon Calamari will come to the rescue during the space battle. Their ships look to good to pass up on the opportunity, and otherwise why include them with Woves... As for the Armorer, there's still the possibility she wants to kill two birds with one stone: pretend to play along with Gideon, crushing the heretics with his help, THEN reclaim the Forge by somehow crushing the Imperials. it's true that her sudden acceptance of the "no helmet" ways was sus AF. If she had really wanted to unify the tribes with one who walks both paths, well, Din had the darksaber, and had won it!

[@the5arge438]

The Spies is very likely a reference to the story of "The Twelve Spies" from the Bible. It has A TON of parallels with the story of the Mandalorians seeking their homeland. I haven't seen any videos on this yet, you could get out ahead of this one and win the internet.

[@Maz3lTov]

😂

[@aureum7479]

Once they take control of the forge she can visit it any time she wants The health of the injured Mandalorians is more important

[@TheOneTrueJoss]

Exactly my thoughts, she cares about the people as sort of a religious/spiritual leader in her tribe. I think a lot of these theories are people overthinking so hard they come up with entire narratives that don't exist

[@vincentvoillot6365]

What's intrigue me is how Gideon communicate outside of Mandalore ? Didn't they pointed this constantly as impossible ? You can't call a ship in orbit but Gideon can have a zoom meeting with his spies and half the empires.... THAT'S IT ! Spies ! Gideon said it "from here, he hear whisper from one side of the galaxy to the other". Gideon has spies.

[@ThomasKnip]

One thing is clear: the Mandalorians were ambushed by the Stormtroopers. So they had at least vague knowledge about their position. * That is something the Armorer could not tell, because she wasn't even close. * Axe Woves may be shady, but then all his men would have to be complicit, too. Highly unlikely. * The survivors are the most suspicious. The incident with the Leviathan definitely was not planned, destryoing their ship. Without that incident, they could have sailed Bo-Katan right into the trap. And with a little tracker on their armor, the Imperials would have easily known where they were at any given moment. Also, how could their ship be so close to the landing position of the Gauntlet? Quite convenient for such a big planet.

[@armchairwarrior963]

I suspect one imperial is planted among the real survivors.

[@danielphilpott2218]

Keeping with the biblical connotations, this season is rife. 12 spies dispatched to the Holy Land to scout - known as "Canaan." Only Caleb and Joshua advised to proceed. Canaan and Caleb...familiar names, one individual: Caleb Dume or better known as Kanan Jarrus. Just taking shots to the wind, found it interesting. From a tactical standpoint, planting "mandalorians" amongst them is insanely intelligent. A trojan horse whence they arrive as "sick" upon the Mandalorian ships. I think the name "The Spies" is exactly that, plural and Biblical reference as well. ISB - Gideon, you would plant multiple assets. The "lost tribe" of mandalorians left on the planet, Axe, Kane...possibly more.

[@rogerbordine7]

Plus they weren’t there when mando and bo katan visited earlier that season. I think, if they’re even real mandos, they had an agreement with gideon to help them survive there against the kaiju’s and other creatures in exchange for teaching him how to use the forge, live there, betray anyone who came there etc. I think gideon’s whole “this is my big plan” scene was also a misdirect to throw off their scent of the mando “survivors” and some or all of them were killed (conveniently) in the ambush to tie up loose ends while the other “sick” survivor mandos would infiltrate the ship and cause mayhem during the space battle.

[@preshutchins]

I think the Mando survivors have to be the Trojan horse...(how could they have been on the planet for All THAT time and NOT know that the imperial forces were there) along with The Armorer (who is suspect because she was so adamant about Bo katan uniting all the other Mandolorians. And by HER ORDERS she specifically said the time was NOW to take back Mandalore.

[@Merlijnnuri]

Gotta give props to the writing team where it is due, they're making us question everyone's intentions. Even though they've only been dropping subtle hints to there being a traitor/spy. It could still be entirely possible for there to be no traitor(s)/spy, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the armorer, the scenes of her flying back the "sick" Mandalorians is just too suspicious.

[@PsychoMike21000]

What subtle hints prior to this episode's tirle indicated there was a spy among the Mandos?

[@morgan8691]

It's all early days of the first order, the Armorer is young Captain Phasma as a spy, gets promoted with a shiny armour and telling Finn not to remove his helmet, also her Armorer had a M shaped helmet like the praetorian guards which later protect snoke

[@tonymcneill7779]

Even if that turns out no to be true I love the idea that its a younger Phasma. It also makes sense. It doesn't sound outlandish to me at all. And since Star Wars love to rhyme of course a traitor would continue to be a traitor in the future when it helps them reach their goal.

[@morgan8691]

Even the accent is close to Phasma

[@jacksonjames2489]

'Never trust a pirate.' Don't know if it has any significance or what it'd be, but Karga and Bo both identify oncoming Mandos by saying 'I should hope so,' Karga when the fleet shows up, Bo when the Survivors ask about her Night Owl crest. Significant or trivial coincidence, don't know.

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Ooo! Nice catch! I thought it was strange that she said, “I would hope so.”

[@CDG639]

It can't be the Armorer. Most def the survivors and/or Ax Woves!

[@ericc.3464]

Totally agree. If it were the Armorer, then it’s poor poor writing. They have done nothing to set up that possibility. The mad max Trojan mandos are a possibility. I could see Ax also as a possibility.

[@thirdeye42012]

Dave has been setting this up since Rebels 🤦

[@thirdeye42012]

It's actually pretty great writing. Bad writing would be the survivors who we just met and have zero attachment to.

[@ericc.3464]

@@thirdeye42012 Not in Season 3 they haven’t. You cannot expect people to have to follow some other part of the Starwars universe to understand the show. I’ve enjoyed the whole season. But I think it would be a lame choice to make the armorer, who is essentially their religious leader, betray their traditions. That would be incredibly clique. Neither do we have enough backstory from the show itself to make that betrayal logical.

[@gnosismonkey]

Agreed with all of this. I think the Armourer is a misdirect. It’s clear that the audience is supposed to read it that way, but Gideon wouldn’t have been blindsided by the unification of the groups if she was the source.

[@BabyGraboid]

I don't like the idea of it being the Armorer. I like to think of her being the "healer" of the tribe is why she left. Her affinity to helping other Mandolorians and foundlings "find the way" may motivate her. On opposite of that, the same motivations could have lead her to make an agreement with the Moth on Navarra. An agreement her tribe and Empire would leave each other alone if her tribe agreed to eradicate, locate or leave the other enemy Mandolorian tribes alone.

[@BabyGraboid]

The Mandolorians on the surface or some of them could make sense. It could explain how they could survive at all, how they knew where Forge was but didn't know Empire was there and how Empire learned how to use the forge to make the armor.

[@BabyGraboid]

I wonder if they learned how to use the forge from Moth Gideon. If he was a foundling the Armorer raised in the past and thats why we haven't seen them together yet. It maybe why his armor looks similiar. He took what he learned from the Mandolorians to the Empire and thats why he was thier point person for Mandolorians.

[@gnosismonkey]

@@BabyGraboid Right. The more I think about it, there’s no way they wouldn’t have noticed this military industrial base going in there.

[@gnosismonkey]

@@BabyGraboid I’m not saying they won’t go that route, but it would make no sense with how they’ve built up the season thus far.

[@TimSedai]

IF it's the armoror I expect her to have made a similar deal with the devil with Gideon regarding the covert that Bo did with the planet. She'll learn the hard way and Din's faith will be shattered

[@empoweringsurvivors]

Oooh good point. What if she heard what Bo said about her deal with Moff and his betrayal and suddenly got spooked out! Wasn't it right after this that the Armorer decided to go back to the ship. Maybe she wanted to reach Moff to tell him the deal was off or renegotiate.

[@paulanderson771]

They do cut to her a lot and she's mysterious/odd - but all she does is follow the Creed and raise Foundlings. The Empire wants Mandalorians wiped out. It'd make no sense for her to work with anyone we've seen. In Season 1 Gideon even tried to wipe the covert all out.

[@montydiaz306]

How was Ax gonna get reinforcements? Only one ship came to the surface n the armorer took it already. As we know the jetpacks only have so much fuel he can't fly out plus a lot of disturbance. Also he can't radio noone. So what reinforcements was he going to get?

[@adrianlajas5336]

Ax also had the line in a previous episode in response to someone saying. "I thought mandalorians were honorable", and he said "for enough credits" it someone to that effect

[@darklucario7214]

4:40 I just noticed that when the mandalorians do their salute, their fist goes on their left side over their heart, like in Apostate and the recent episode. One of them did their salute on their right side so i believe the one who did that is the other spy

[@chromacypher8409]

Look at the last couple episodes closer. The exchange of looks between Ax and Kaska. I would not be surprised if they are both giving Gideon info. Also, Ax said he grew up in/around the forge, but didn't notice anything odd, like new or in use construction? His timing on the ambush is suspicious as well. He seems to always be second guessing Bo Katan, more than anyone else.

[@deathsinger1192]

if they were in contact, then why in all worlds was gideon clueless about the unification?

[@chromacypher8409]

@@deathsinger1192 lack of time or ability to communicate the change. Also, Gideon seemed pretty sure the two groups would not work together, let alone defeat the pirates. He did seem suprisedat all the news. 🤷‍♂️ Either way, I doubt the Armorer would be the dupe.

[@Anna-ju8fs]

Also, Ax didn’t go with Bo and Kaska to rescue Grogu from Gideon in the last episode of season 2, if I remember correctly…

[@deathsinger1192]

@@chromacypher8409 what´s the point of a spy you´re not in contact with?

[@Eric-os1ul]

Best theory I’ve heard in weeks it’s like it has to be wolf especially when I realized he has no way of getting reinforcements can’t jet pack to space and no communications + the Armorer left in the ship makes me believe Bo-katan and the rest aren’t going anywhere quickly

[@thegeneral19]

They're setting the armorer up to seem like a spy and the wham, out of left field Koska Rieves comes into play as the spy, she literally even says loyalty goes to whoever pays more I'm not sure why no one is pointing this part out

[@staroceans8677]

All very brilliant points. I'm very impressed!

[@tommy516]

I'll help you, "Later, Kast participated in the Siege of Mandalore and helped lure an unsuspecting Ahsoka Tano into the undercity of Sundari. There, she and several other super commandos surrounded the former Jedi Padawan for Maul, but she eventually managed to escape. Shortly afterwards, the super commandos managed to capture ARC Trooper Jesse and interrogate him. After his interrogation, Maul managed to rally the Mandalorians for one last push, but this led to defeat and Kast's capture at the hands of Bo-Katan Kryze. "

[@nickgendeman]

The idea of the armourer being the spy is dumb af.

[@JohnnyUtah86]

@@nickgendeman I know it really isn't "the way" if she turns out to be the spy. Her clan would kill or exile her if they live and found out. I think this is a common device in shows, make multiple characters appear Sus, so it keeps it intriguing and sparks conversation...I bet we'll see a big boost in views for this last episode.

[@djm122270]

@@nickgendeman Possibly...but think about her horned helmet, though. Why is that?! I remember when we used to use our imagination to figure things out in Star Wars? But now snowflakes want everything spoon-fed to their self-centered egos. Wasn't it Palpatine that disguised himself as a benevolent senator only to reveal himself as the Sith/Emperor? Remember this...#DarthMaulRuledMandalore Darth Maul takes over Mandalore [1080p]: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZKlk3xmqqeqfKs

[@nickgendeman]

@@djm122270 she probably was a mauldalorian but remember at the end of the clone wars maul basically admits to his mandos I don’t give a shit about you people I just needed to raise an army to kill obi and sideous you’re gay and so is your stupid sword. What mando would still be loyal to an outsider that was like “peace out and die well bitches!”?

[@josephsanchez2481]

In the intro where they show everybody helmets - everybody who is bad as red who is good as blue and then Din Djarin’s helmet is red. Vader. Red. Stormtrooper. Red. Bo. Blue. R2-D2. Blue. Din. Red.

[@dereklawson2029]

Axe Woves. He ran for reinforcements that weren't there. He knew the Armorer had already left with the ship and he couldn't contact the fleet from the surface. And yes, the Mando survivors are suspect too. Maybe pretending to be wounded to infiltrate the fleet?

[@youngzuwop4347]

Yea, but its already been implied in multiple instances that he was "bad" since he held resentment against bo. I think whoever the spy is , is someone thats worthy of being a huge suprise in the finale . someone who we would least suspect

[@dereklawson2029]

@Young Zuwop Wouldn't that rule out the Armorer then? She's the number one suspect among fans. Not exactly a shocking surprise. I just hope they don't kill off Din Djarin because Pedro is tired of the role. For example, Din is killed and Grogu force crushes Moff Gideon to death like Skywalker crushed the dark trooper at the end of season 2.

[@philippafhelmstrm6219]

Moff Gideon's transport ship contained some Mandalorian item if I recollect correctly. It made me think that the mercenary Mandalorian faction or a small group of that faction helped the Imperial. So my guess would be on their former leader as a spy.

[@HicSvntDracones]

The scene with the armorer taking the injured back to orbit was totally sus. but also.. WHO is the Mandalorian that was captaining the cruiser? I found it strange that they showed him also, so I wonder if he is also involved, I mean, someone we have never seen before sitting in the captains seat, or whatever you wanna call it in the SW verse. Anyways, **possible spoilers** based on leaks that have so far shown to be right , the armorer is still in good standing with the rest of the mando's at the end of the episode.. doesn't really answer much haha

[@hectorelefante2389]

It´s also quite suspicious when the survivors drive the ship directly to the monster as if they want the crash, maybe expecting the monster to kill everybody.

[@EpiZen]

Either Ax/ night owls or no one competent - has to be fairly new in joining Bo and Din if Gideon was clueless of their union. If the survivor Mandalorians, they're biggest feat would be to come - infiltrating the group in orbit. But them being actually weak for the armorer to recognize has me thinking they were not cared for by Gideon to grant such loyalty I dont suspect the Armorer - no motive yet provided and conflicts with past season material

[@KingOfMadCows]

Axe does seem like he's trying to keep the Mandalorians divided. He already betrayed Bo Katan once. He started a fight with Paz over a simple game.

[@Mr_phil_80]

From the Mandalorian creed, “Contributing to the clan's welfare.” Thus the Armorer was answering rule number 5 by ferrying the wounded back to the fleet. She acted without hesitation to honor her creed to serve of mandalorians. My vote is Ax. Good foreshadowing with his imperial ship, early escape from the ambush, and resistance to yield to Bo Katan when fairly defeated.

[@deathsinger1192]

the armorer makes zero simply due to, like you said, if she was in contact with Gideon, he would´ve known about the mandalorians rise, now if i think about it, it´s the same with Axe Wolfes, leaving only the surviving mandalorians and while this fits pretty well, I can hardly imagine, how, in the span of one day, after Gideon learned of the rise of the mandalorians, he built that used looking glider, found three guys, willing to be equipped with used looking mandalorian armor and deployed them to the surface, only waiting for the arrival of a fleet which would only be noticeable as soon as they would break through the atmosphere, since there´s no up and down communication, meaning, as soon they noticed that random gauntlet breaking through the atmosphere, which might just have been an observer or literally anybody, they would have deployed their used looking wings and started sailing towards the approximate landing site. no, this makes no sense either

[@saisamsuri]

I think you all are getting the title wrong, In the Book of Numbers, the Twelve Spies were a group of Israelite chieftains who were dispatched by Moses to scout out the Promised Land. It's referring to the 12 volunteers of the recon party.

[@pedromassabie3600]

Could be that the injured mandos that went up are no injured but willing to take the ship using the transport as a Trojan horse.

[@rustyshackleford3868]

In a world that's supposed to be gritty, rustic and broken in, they got a white 3CPO sticking out like a sore thumb. You know it's a Disney product when it's polished

[@sambrown8578]

The TK in the beginning when she is talking to Moff Giddings but I believe she is Thrawn the Armorer Job is to help the Mandolins so. The horns were Death Watch are no more. Also maybe one of the Mandolins left maybe. My thoughts

[@mkb4560]

If she is a spy then why hasn't she given Grogu back to him and I think the horns are not horn on Moff helmet I think they are radio transmitter

[@AcerW-s9e]

Here's another one: When Bo Katan tells Axe Woves to use the cruiser to destroy Moff Gideon's base on Madalore [episode The Return] he said; 'I'm entering the upper atmosphere but I have my orders.' --- Whose orders? Is he THE spy?

[@stevenhess5528]

They have been hinting That the armourer will remove her Helmut because the actress has been shown around a lot. The children of the watch will have been betrayed by her her most vocal supporter paz has been killed my belief is thE helmets will come off. Gideon will remove din's helmet so Pedro can be recognized. Honestly Pedro could have stayed home and voice acted while someone else is stuck in that suit. I believe it will be a dark finish to this years shows.

[@Oleus]

Ax Woves has been pretty sus during that episode. He was also the only person who've actively fought with another character in the group. A character that turned out to be a true hero in the end... Might be that he wanted to weaken the bound between the two tribes right before the ambush. Or it might have been a hint by the writers, seeding in our minds an opposition between the characters of Paz and Ax (one seemed to be a jerk but sacrificed himself for the good guys, the other seemed like a guy with strong principles but left the fight and was in fact with the evil dudes at the end of it). 😅

[@arvmamuad]

Totally agree with you. The armorer spy theory is way too obvious for me thus making it nonsense as if the show runners wants us viewers to believe that she is the spy hahaha. My money is in the survivors.

[@isthatjackson]

If the Armorer is tue spy- which breaks Don’s faith in The Way- which leads to him taking his helmet off more and Pedro getting more screen time- I’ll take that as a win lol. But I’m reaching with that.

[@eyeprod3101]

The Spies are probably Gideon and the beskar wearing imps under him. The other imps from the meeting don't know about them or the fact that they're on Mandalore. Probably part of Gideon's plan to lead the new empire. He's not down with Thrawn coming back. He want to be the big guy. I dunno. Doubt it's the armorer, or the other mandos. Who's gonna save them at this point if not the Armorer? Unless this season ends on a low note, like ESB, someone is going to lead the charge and defeat Gideon's team.

[@thirdeye42012]

Do you know what a spy is...?

[@noahlloyd2034]

Maybe she really is a spy but not for Gideon? I just how she doesn’t end up as one of the bad guys because I really her character.

[@ibarbarian0]

I've always been suspicious of the armorer, and suspected her at first as well. However, after realizing that she fills the role of a spiritual leader, almost like a shaman or medicine man it makes sense to me for her to prioritize the health of wounded mandalorians. Although, I still don't trust her motives.

[@wudruffwildcard252]

Definitely suspicious is that the armorer was the only survivor of the Imperial attack on the Mandalorian covert on Nevarro. She also could have been replaced by the Imperials, voice changing tech in a helmet shouldn't be impossible.

[@col.hertford9855]

Pas was part of the covert too.

[@DangerDude616]

As you described the Nomads leading the Mandalorian's into Gideon's lair, it reminded me of Vane leading Din to Gorian Shard's Corsair. (It's a trap!)

[@richmiko4185]

"elite warriors" . I was yelling at the tv the whole time to not pursue the new robots, they were getting led into a trap.

[@cornedmeef]

Perhaps the horns on the helmet are simply a symbol of leadership in mandalorian ranks

[@BryceByerley]

Death watch under Maul's leadership had horns on their helmets.

[@peterc5318]

Mighty peeved if the Amourer is the spy which completely doesn’t make sense when you look at her character through out the 3 seasons,

[@ALmizzle415]

Axe is in command of Gideon’s cruiser and he’s ok with this and says let’s collaborate? If he’s a spy they would have met when he was in charge not after Bo Katan came back.

[@slymarbo1183]

I think what some people are missing when talking about the spies in this episode is IMO so-called ‘survivors’ are the actual imperials who lured team into the forge. Think about it: I know people are saying it’s the Armorer and all and the back and forth shots of her kinda imply that BUT I’m more leaning towards the ‘survivors’ and Axe Woes. Axe stated that he was on Mandalore during the purge, and survivors...since we know Gideon was on Mandalore all along, why would he let these guys roam around the planet?

[@anthonyelwick3600]

The armourer being a spy makes no sense in my opinion. Did Gideon make a deal telling her he will let her and death watch live unbothered somewhere?

[@Trick_or_tren]

No way armorer . She hosts the helmet ceremony , and does all the repairs , it’s best for her to not risk death because without her everyone is a screwed

[@PsychoMike21000]

Agreed, it makes no sense for the Armorer to be a spy

[@br61499]

What if we are thinking about this in the wrong way what if the spy isn’t working for moff Gideon but is instead working for another imperial remnant or maybe even for thrawn himself

[@MauriceQuestel_Foyal_events]

What about R5 is he not a spy ?

[@binder38us]

Death Watch. The Armourer never said Death Watch was gone. Death Watch joined the Empire to create a new Mandalorian Empire.

[@LauDynasty69]

The other spy could be working for Thrawn agains GMG. One of the officers during the shadow collective meeting works for Thrawn right!?

[@seanc4451]

It's the survivers. The knew where the great forge was and took everyone there even though it was an empire base

[@robertanderson866]

Maybe the Armorer was replaced some how...could be a false direct...the armored will probably bring help and save the day

[@POSTONBEATS]

I think your right about the armor

[@merraxus]

The spies are the injured mandolorians going back to the ship. Or they will be spies.

[@conflictbricks8330]

I think the injured mandos aren’t really injured

[@GraceAnne2007]

Maybe someone kidnapped the actual Armorer and its someone else under the helmet

[@digitaldog120521]

how did mof gudian have beskgar armor for his troops if there wasn't an armorer behind them.. so yes the spies are the armorer and kane.

[@stephensemp8634]

The first two POVs in the episode were Kane, then Karga… just sayin… he was the plug on Navarro while there was a strong imperial presence… what if Moff made him a deal he couldn’t refuse?

[@Skunkapeliberationunion1312]

The armor seemed weirdly out of character and they focused on it so much, they've gotta have some strange explanation/twist coming, even if she's not in on it.

[@blankett862]

The armorer Theory with the horn on the helmet is too obvious to be true in my opinion (If it is i will be disapointed) but i like the ax dude theory

[@ericholder2026]

All sounds good to me!

[@neofulcrum5013]

I’m still convinced she’s rook kast.

[@paparoo9924]

Didn't she radio the ship to tell them she's coming in?

[@purelitenite]

The Armorer is not the spy, she is a red herring

[@mkb4560]

It's the survivors that are the spy's and they got hurt rescuing Moff

[@Killiyon]

I like Axe he gives me Jango vibes but that's probably on purpose.

[@jlo1195]

make sense....I go Ax is the traitor too....

[@unholyrevenger72]

It's probably Axe

[@IsaacKuo]

In The Book of Boba Fett, the Armorer said that Bo-Katan was a cautionary tale, basically suggesting that the people who died in the Purge had it coming. Her motivation may have something to do with a belief that the only way to purify the Mandalorian race is to complete the Purge.

[@tommy516]

If the Armorer is Rook Kast, then she has vengeance in mind..."Shortly afterwards, the super commandos managed to capture ARC Trooper Jesse and interrogate him. After his interrogation, Maul managed to rally the Mandalorians for one last push, but this led to defeat and Kast's capture at the hands of Bo-Katan Kryze. "

[@Hondo0101]

It's the Mad Max Mandos

[@Hugo-3279]

This is not the first case of leave no witnesses, this scenario we saw it in the force unleashed videogame with Darth Vader giving instructions to Gallen Marek to hunt and kill Jedi general Rahm Kota who was one of the survivors of the order 66 protocol giving he is refusing commanding clones instead his own mens, orders was very simple no witnesses even if the are imperials

[@Mandoboyband]

This season is so inconsistent. Good ones like this and episode 2 and 4, with average ones like 1, 3 and 5, and horrid ones like 6. Have a feeling the politics is really bad in Lucasfilms. Everyone trying to get their input in the only good thing in SW now.

[@DaringDan]

Totally agree. The Armorer killed like 10 stormtroopers in S1. She'd never follow Gideon after Din defeated him and had proof he defeated him. This season has been mediocre at best in terms of narrative, story pacing, and character development, and even plot. The helmet cult was such a bad choice for this series.

[@ghostdogsherron6974]

Well I'm not one of those fans!!!! I just think you're a scary guy........ Armor is no traitor...!!!!

[@ralphfurley81]

The Armorer theory is too simple. An easy misdirect. Axe Woves and Koska Reeves don't care for Mando,Bo-Katan,The Armorer and her clan

[@wardlafferty5022]

I believe R5 WILL play a major role in the finale…maybe by this time Omega & Echo are NRBI agents who also monitor R5….so R5 is a hidden spy.

[@SpaceCaseZ06]

It would make sense if the Mandalorians who do not somehow have entangled loyalties with the imperial remnant manage to make it back to their fleet in high orbit for them to call for all the reinforcement they can. R5 if not already with the fleet would join them. Now we would need either for The Armorer or for Ace Woves to next contact the New Republic either by way of Carson Teva or Lizzo's and Jack Black's characters, the Duchess and Bombardier. If the Armorer or the stranded survivor Mandalorian crew are spies it will probably be too late. I doubt Axe Woves is the spy because then it would mean Moff Gideon is betraying him when he sends TIE interceptors to eliminate the fleet. To me though it is most likely the Armorer who has been extorted into her treason. If not the armorer, I would doubt it's the stranded Mandalorian survivors but they're more likely to be the traitors than Axe would be. I want to find Carson Teva brings Zeb and hopefully Sabine, Chopper, Hera, Ezra Bridger, and Kallus. If Bo gets out, she should also contact Boba Fett, Fennec Shand, and Ahsoka. Someone will die next week and sadly it's probably going to be Din. Alternatively it could be Bo or even Grogu and possibly the Armorer as well. I'm afraid what could be worse is if Din is used in Gideon's lab experiment and himself turned into a dark trooper or something worse. More characters from the past season are going to be brought into the finale. I think perhaps elia kang will deliver Doctor Pershing. Thrawn might even appear. Well, maybe the episode won't be long enough for that because we still haven't accounted for the entrance of the Mythosaur. Would Favreau and Filoni make a finale that's 70 minutes long? 90? Doubt it. 😢 They'd sooner have made an extra episode but to do that they'd have to break their nice even "8" episode/chapter count per season

[@Clairejart]

I would love to see the Ghost crew but I have a feeling they are saving them for the Ahsoka series. Ahsoka, Boba and Fennec are possibilities. I don’t want the armorer to be the spy because I like her a betrayal that huge, especially after Paz Vizla sacrificed his life. That would be too heartbreaking.

[@wardlafferty5022]

@@Clairejart I doubt the Armorer is the spy…the episode title is most likely a misdirection….I strongly suspect R5 is with the Gauntlet…I suspect we’ll see Omega flying the Marauder & tracking R5.

[@jlt-kjv2840]

I feel they're definitely going to make the Armorer a spy, which would absolutely destroy her character and makes no sense.

[@mitchtarpley6185]

Maul mandalorian had horns on helmet.

[@Cre8ive_Juice]

The actress who plays Moff Gideon's spy is non binary and uses they/them pronouns, so the plural of spy was used because representation matters...

[@WarriorGirl_113]

I agree with you!!! =-)

[@richardtpgusa7236]

I'm not going to listen, but you are wrong. Speaking to someone with some experience, unless this is a kids game. I know who the dog or rather the dogs are.... Now you get it??

[@skipper4126]

Its a far fetched twist, sorry. The only thing that gives it credibility is the Disney's writing is so bad that it might be true.

[@loochboy]

But the Armorer is pretty-much the only one to survive the trooper's attack way back when. The more I think about it, the more I think that the Armourer may just be a villain. Perhaps she knows that Bo wants to reunite all the tribes and she only wants the more devout Mandos, not just anybody-keep the helmets on, that's what she wants! She escaped the last covert-maybe that was orchestrated by Gideon. She took no real notice of Bo-Katan telling her about the Mythosaur-maybe she was didn't want anything to come of it because she and Gideon have plans for it. Why didn't it attack Bo and Din? Perhaps it has been trained over the last two years to not react to Mandalorian armour. Gideon's new troopers have beskar armour-who do we know who can forge it? When she takes the survivors to the fleet, we don't see her actually get there-maybe she does something to them. And finally, both she and Gideon have horns on their helmets like Darth Maul's followers when HE held the darksabre. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

[@hdvsmith]

I think the traitor is Grief Karga. He has the most to gain. Like Lando made a deal w the empire, I think GK made a deal w Moff Gideon to protect Nevaro from the Pirates. Why would the empire want to take over Nivaro? GK said it in the last episode. It's close enough to everything but far enough to not be noticed. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@timplaystennis]

Despise…

[@djash7161]

Axe uses his weapon carelessly when fighting boka almost kills other mandalorians

[@fredericadda]

Mando is the traitor. Done. Season 4.