This Messenger built different

[@kalicula7718]

Evil Cammy: who needs builds lmao, I got stompees,shatterdive, handcannon and a shotty.

[@alexc6088]

Or better yet, "Fighting Lion? Belongs in the trash"

[@muffinboi4134]

“DMT sucks”

[@closerer2712]

telesto the worsto

[@knavehons]

that's me

[@bergy9438]

*gets two ghosts, we ran, and goes unbroken* yeah it’s pretty alright I guess. Lol

[@rvgw]

You mean undefeated ? Unbroken is the title lol

[@HeroicLeo8125]

You mean undefeated?

[@ExpertRam]

Cammy is such a good player that anything can look good in his hands. 6v6 isn’t usually a great test of a weapon’s viability, he can make stupid plays and miss some shots but still win fights. So yeah it’s pretty alright

[@red_menace1829]

Cammy is a bit of an ass hat sometimes like he hasn't been playing 7 years straight lmao.

[@red_menace1829]

@@ExpertRam eh, his commentary is so bland, like seeing an asexual describe sex lmao

[@Pablitosavage1]

Cam, after dropping two ghosts, undefeated and a we ran: "It's okay I guess" Legend.

[@oberynmartell2323]

The real question what does he drop if he is using something that he considers really good or broken

[@dukedub]

Wait until he plays with a god roll legal action ii

[@warriorgoat5939]

Yeah. This guy is pissing excellence.

[@JustKrona]

Beat me to it lmao

[@BALTDGuitar]

And does not even look at the stats

[@danielandrade483]

Bruh Cammy just never misses the point. I thought by the title it would be a generic, perfect Messenger. (Arrowhead, HC rounds, rapid memes and despacito), But no! It is actually built DIFFERENT, as the title suggests. I just really appreciate this about the channel.

[@darkhelmet12e47]

Lol I have that roll with a range mw

[@matthewdau8928]

Ghost in the night, we ran out of medals undefeated, flag bearer on the first match. "It was ok I guess" this is why I'm subbed

[@kylenelson6045]

2 ghosts actually

[@Iliketacos091]

I don't think I've seen any content creator accurately describe how Encore works. You start off with 0 stacks, get a kill. If it was a precision kill you gain a stack, if it was a bodyshot you lose a stack. Then the game checks: do you have a stack of Encore? If you do not have a stack, you gain the stability buff. If you do have a stack, you gain the range buff which varies based on the number of stacks. Both buffs last for 7 seconds. You can refresh and repeat the process on each subsequent kill. You cannot buff both range and stability at the same time. Stability only kicks in when you lose your last range stack by getting a bodyshot kill, or if you get a kill and had no stacks to begin with. edit: apologies if the comment comes across pointed and terse, I was trying to avoid too many contractions and run-on sentences for clarity's sake only.

[@scottshim679]

I mean… the perk really doesn’t need that much explaining

[@t0xen635]

From what little I've used my encore desperado roll, the encore range also only lasts for 7 seconds Holy shit I can't believe me and my friends made it in the video, we'd just gotten out of our flawless card and were playing elim to cool down (I was the other Gemini jester hunter in the first elim match)

[@joeyno137]

The encore stability buff is so good

[@nexenojustice552]

Well now Cammy has recognized you as a gemini brother.

[@Iliketacos091]

The encore range does not last forever. Gonna copy + paste my other comment for the full explanation: You start off with 0 stacks, get a kill. If it was a precision kill you gain a stack, if it was a bodyshot you lose a stack. Then the game checks: do you have a stack of Encore? If you do not have a stack, you gain the stability buff. If you do have a stack, you gain the range buff which varies based on the number of stacks. Both buffs last for 7 seconds. You can refresh and repeat the process on each subsequent kill. You cannot buff both range and stability at the same time. Stability only kicks in when you lose your last range stack by getting a bodyshot kill, or if you get a kill and had no stacks to begin with.

[@chrismarsh1425]

So you're the one that tea bagger was salty about 😂

[@t0xen635]

@@chrismarsh1425 yeah lmaoo, people must really hate geminis cause he was running shatterdive and still tbagging

[@FRANKnBERRIES76]

I always love how genuinely happy and into the game you get man. It makes me want to play. Every time

[@clair1voyant454]

Id take any perk in the second column over desperado purely as a protest against the disrespect to my boi Redrix

[@drpepper2519]

They should really bring back Redrix

[@tangerinepaint3643]

@@drpepper2519 Every pinnacle should be brought back tbh, maybe make their pinnacle perks their intrinsic ones like how Drang and Mini-Tool do that.

[@crustythehodag8530]

@@tangerinepaint3643 except micro missile. Fuck micro missile.

[@JH-vb1wo]

My zen moment desperado messenger took me flawless this weekend but honestly I think I prefer kill clip it seems more consistent and when you need those shots to hit hard kill clip does the job

[@tangerinepaint3643]

@@crustythehodag8530 Micro Missle should be a new frame all together

[@davethewave8590]

0:54 my man's just ascended 😂😂

[@TheCosmicPope91]

This man said, "I must go. My ceiling needs me." edit because can't spell

[@opsedopsers9874]

I got one with moving target its pretty nice when the perk is active, thanks for springing me onto this perk I always overlooked it

[@cole4715]

I always think I'm good at PvP, then there's this monster who's already zoomed in on a player before I even notice them.

[@chrismarsh1425]

Open your eyes /s

[@thatguyyouhate3743]

Kill clip and desperado really do different things on messenger. Kill clip improves ease of use and team shot potential. Desperado speeds up kills and makes clean up shots faster if you miss part of your burst

[@FilthyWeeb27]

Or if you are me desperado lets you vomit out 30 bullets in two seconds so even if your aim sucks they die

[@nathansparks9814]

Cammy dad you'll be so proud of me, I got home from work this morning and didn't get a chance to pay trials all weekend, never been flawless before, and ya boi got on freelance at 10am and was flawless at 11:20. My dude. I feel ELEVATED. all thanks to your tips and gameplay, I've learned a lot from you and wanted to say thanks for showing me how far I can go 💕

[@SuperTurboPOP]

I’m not Mr. Cakes Gaming, but I am proud of you :)

[@nathansparks9814]

@@SuperTurboPOP much love ❤

[@kardar233]

My favourite sleeper pulse is a Time-Worn Spire with a long zoom scope, high cal and Iron Grip (the stability one). Fourth perk is Under Pressure which doesn’t do me much good but the rest is ace; stability masterwork. The combination of super high stability (80 or so?) with 22 zoom means that I can challenge some really long angles with great comfort, and the fast and consistent flinch allows me to fight snipers with little worry. Highly recommend if you have one; unfortunately it’s super rare in the IB pool this season.

[@jesuschrist4752]

My time worn has long zoom, feeding frenzy, and iron grip with a stability masterwork and my god it feels weightless when I use it. With that roll it really is as simple as "click heads and win"

[@cyclo_17]

I've actually been stearing away from desperado on my messenger since I went flawless(for the first time ever) last week and got 2 adept messengers both with encore, one with desp, and other with KC. I figured the archetype is already extremely lethal so why not just make it easier to land the TTK

[@Warriorsoul101]

It's crazy to think you can roll literally anything on this gun and it would stil be top tier.

[@wethepeople8280]

If you hit your headshots desperado is the best hands down. If your headshot ratio is bad then go killclip

[@FilthyWeeb27]

Desperado is far better at taking down multiple opponents or fixing missed shots

[@generositii]

Remember the game mode Salvage in D1? Pepperidge farm remembers. That was a great 3v3 mode with a objective

[@CINNA_Stixx]

Ran into you today in freelance trials, just wanted to say it was a fun game and I ended up going flawless that card. Second time in 7 years of playing destiny with last week being my first ever flawless.

[@burnt_iguana_tarts9602]

You know cammys gamin when his keyboard sounds like sticking a pen through a moving fan

[@turtleturt27]

Loving the constant videos on niche ideas. Glad i’m subbed

[@joris_db]

I did it! 100+ messengers in total and I still don't have a single one with desperado. BUNGIE PLS I'll give you my soul and kidney

[@italianterror3329]

21:27 when he dodges the shoulder charge, absolutely beautiful!

[@lucasm4886]

I’ve had 60+ drops and have never even seen a desperado messenger

[@evantoronto33]

I love how Cammy manages to come up new and intriguing ideas that fly right past my palindrome & heritage bottom tree striker small confused brain!

[@seaturtleninjagaming4602]

I like my firmly planted headseeker stars and Shadow, and all of my cold denials

[@lunalvarocha5183]

As far as I'm aware encore doesn't stay up forever, both buffs from encore have the 7s timer on them, killing wind still probably the best choice for the slot

[@isaacfirewalker763]

“His aura is more powerful then mine” has me in tears my guy 😂

[@mdxsoul]

Love the moment when Cammy pops up matchmaking window and it tells him "Legend" in top-left corner. Before you start: I know it's a rank name.

[@idontknow4687]

Headseeker is actually really good

[@incendiarypoprocks8700]

Honestly i’ve really been enjoying Gridskipper with a couple different rolls since last season. The new sandbox has really been nice for it and other options to shine better. I honestly don’t know what’s best on it, but Heating Up and High Impact Reserves has felt really good. Most rolls on the gun are actually pretty useful, too, without too many instant-shard perks.

[@galleo_]

I got called a “pulse rifle crutch” by a hunter running stompies HC/Shotty. We did it bois, frenzy is finally meta

[@Manstrual]

They just wanna be Ricky bobby and go fast, so anyone who goes slow they don't like

[@AvatarBowler]

Those people are closet scrubs. They’re more interested in disrespecting other weapons than actually putting in work to counter them and move on. Good players with actual competitive mentalities don’t give a shit about that “crutch” excuse.

[@unknownone4774]

These vids are entertaining. Been watching Cammycakes since early D1. Point being, he demonstrates the various benefits of the roll of any said weapon. However, with the time he has spent learning all aspects of the game, these vids could essentially be made with green and white weapons

[@assassinierer47]

My long range pulse for now is the Legal Action II. Got one with heating up and Rampage. Polygonal and stability mw are also perfect. The zoom still allows 45m 2taps.

[@thomasjordan953]

Love these commentaries, keep 'em coming man

[@chance5875]

Heating up with high caliber rounds and desperado is actually cracked

[@darthluno3166]

There is nothing more terrifying than a player chasing a super

[@stevenmielke1662]

In regards to the adjective for Darkest style rolls I was thinking workhorse. Old, reliable, and consistent.

[@Fatalfantasy09]

Every time I see cammy with a close to meta weapon archetype I just know it’s gunna be carnage

[@ChrisCobraEliteTM]

You right about frenzy my friend, I've been using the last breath auto in trials and my lord...it gets the job done so quick! I'm wanting another messenger but I need to grind my trials for the engrams.

[@Grylken1569]

Yep. I got a max range roll with killing wind / frenzy about a week after putting together a Gemeni’s build when I saw you use it. I went from maining exclusively Titan to using almost only my Hunter for the past two weeks, and haven’t had this much fun for a LOONG time.

[@zakschickler4073]

Cammy is the only person who can use any roll and make it look like a god roll

[@HellsWaffle]

1:14 That play was DIRTY Poor guy never knew what hit him

[@Woggy07]

I feel like heating up desperado would be insane because after getting a kill, the recoil benefits from heating up would give depression so much stability

[@brightdusty]

Damn I wish I had depression on my messenger

[@Woggy07]

@@brightdusty hold up u sure u spelt that right?

[@brightdusty]

@@Woggy07 yeah man, red ur comment again

[@Woggy07]

@@brightdusty kk

[@Woggy07]

@@brightdusty wait fuck I just realised lmao

[@Magmadon]

Got my hands on a rapid hit/frenzy roll this weekend and I can't wait to break it in. The weapon is so damn accurate and stable

[@fymkales]

Heating up and desperado sounds amazing as a controller player, literally sounds like a laser beam

[@mbpzero]

We were on the same team for freelance trials. You were using a bow and Agers Sceptor. Funny thing is, I didn’t know it was you until I saw this video. During the game, in my head I was like “this guy is good but he’s probably just testing out this load-out”. Anyway, we ended up losing but it didn’t bother me. Our other teammate kept saying “this kid is so bad”, “GET REZ”. All you said to us at the end of the game was “thanks for trying”, and I thanked you back.

[@juangalvan8900]

At this point it’s not my waifu cammycakes it’s our waifu cammycakes comrades

[@gigan3838]

This is a much better display of frenzy than your frenzy video.

[@HP_Taboh]

Half the reason I watch these videos is just to hear canny say “Huge” after a great play

[@InfernoPhilM]

Headseeker... does it help with forgiveness to still achieve the 2 burst with less crits?

[@Alucitary]

Frenzy on Legal Action is really nice, you can just sit in the back keeping periodic and substantial damage going until your Frenzy procs, then you can just run in and shred.

[@joshuabalzarni7747]

The dude chasing you in super was just built different.

[@QuantumBeard]

Two Ghosts, We Ran, Undefeated _blue gear drop_

[@darcdrakken4726]

It's how cammy talks about desperado and I had one in my vault with heating up and desperado......I feel evil with this now

[@JustKeepFishing]

It’s not Messenger that is built different. Cammy is built different, in a good way.

[@adummy9664]

I think the word you might be looking for there at the end is "consistency", perk combos meant to improve the consistency and feel of a weapon without needing something like a kill to get them going.

[@lukewilson1282]

I mean, if you aren’t going for Desperado, why not just use Legal Action II? Better max range than any Messenger could ever get, and it can roll Heating up/Frenzy as well.

[@KutsuuG]

Because you might prefer 18 zoom over 22 zoom.

[@shepardvasnormandy]

Maybe he doesn't have that roll yet?

[@lethalpenguin61]

Uhh cuz that gun is ugly and not adept…

[@ELVIStheDotA]

This weekend I used one with high cal, moving target and headseeker just to help me secure the kill/1v1s lol.

[@AJN-yo7tp]

My one and only messenger was a encore and desperado but my friends say it sucks but I say it works well together I’m glad to see some love towards encore on pulses

[@Qeutsy]

After first game he said:"it was ok I guess" lmao he just got a WROOM

[@jonathanbonner4095]

I've got one with encore and headseeker and it's been putting in some serious work for me

[@efhawkgaming]

Low-key fun roll Arrowhead break (for recoil direction) high cal (yes it's generic so far) rapid hit (still generic I know) range masterwork (I feel it's still generic) now here's the kicker Elemental capacitor on an arc subclass and use adept Icarus Once rapid hit is at X5 your basically at around 90ish on all stats I don't know exact numbers so if anyone knows the maths let me know

[@somekid5001]

when all yo homies built different but you just built incorrect ._ .

[@stevenmishos]

Rapid Hit with Sacred Provenance (and the ease with which stacks are granted on a 4-burst pulse) makes it a great mid-range dueling weapon in my experience.

[@brgerwzrd54]

Heating up, despacito, max reload. Stupid strong.

[@Mentality__Edits]

My favorite messenger role is encore desperado with a reload mw and ricochet rounds. With corkscrew rifling

[@palindromeadept7937]

With the sacred pulse i think you forgot to put on counter balance and left on icarus grip. I might have misheard but when you pulled up d2 gunsmith was the counterbalance upping the recoil deviation stat to 85 or one of the perks. Im looking to farm one of these so i wasnt sure what mod or perks to put on it/ look for

[@theedethproof8147]

Have you messed around with the timelost fatebringer much Cammy? I got one with explosive payload and frenzy and even though its mainly a pve monster the thing SLAYS IN PVP. Its so crispy and flinches HARD.

[@rhajel5254]

I absolutely do not agree that slugs need a nerf. Slugs are only getting a lot of attention because of the recent shotgun nerf. Most players are just migrating to a better option. IMO Slugs have been slept on since the beginning of the game. Now that more people are using them and finding success, "yeah that needs a nerf." Why? I already have to aim for the head to find any real mileage with this thing and most shotgun fights are messy in nature. I really don't want to see a nerf to slugs. They are good as they are right now and a nerf could ruin them.

[@warv6552]

Legendary Slugs are not the problem, you never even see people use them. It’s Chaperone that’s a problem. It makes every other slug useless.

[@sunny3545]

That final match, after halfway through was just Tostugeki has slain RewsterSause Tostugeki has slain RewsterSause Tostugeki has slain RewsterSause Man, I almost feel bad for that shoulder charge shotgun Titan

[@Manstrual]

Just got this roll today with arrowhead, hi-cal, and a handling MW. it feels fantastic

[@fenix1084]

I’ve got his darkest before but with smallbore and handling MW instead. It is by far the best pulse I’ve ever used.

[@kurtru5selcrowe607]

Is Frenzy not working on certain guns? I have it on a Loud Lullaby and Sojourner’s Journey but it never seems to proc.

[@jujustrafe]

look at cammy showing us slept on perks are actually beast in cruc

[@Lethal19]

i have an Eystein-D with almost max range rangefinder kill clip that i kept for maps like Widow's Court. zoom really helps the range where messenger starts to fall off. unfortunately kill clip is not desperado though

[@suave3788]

So no frenzy on messenger?

[@fifthcylinder]

Not to mention desperado can be re-procced without needing to time anything

[@roseonmyarm8056]

Havent played d2 in a long time but makes me very happy to see my sweet messenger from d1 still clapping

[@mortalexo103]

Yeah but he could get all those medals with a bobby pin and a thimble.

[@_Heel_]

I actually have the Desperado/Encore roll you were talking about. It's cool and fun.

[@noisypr6048]

Thats the most chill we ran ive seen

[@Hypercane_]

First one I ever got was hammer forged, flared, rapid and kill clip with a stability masterwork. Works perfectly for me on controller and even if I don’t hit crits for one reason or the other I still have a good reload

[@ethantrogdon8130]

I’m sure I get laughed at when people see one of my fav mess rolls when I’m loading in. But I’m telling you zen moment head seeker makes it actually hard to need a third burst. So consistent. The only guns that can beat it are specials…or an active desperado I guess….

[@themyster1ous01]

Don't forget that the Garden pulse can roll Rangefinder and Killclip. A max range roll can hit far.

[@khamok6916]

Holy shit that messenger is actually a 7/7 god roll

[@Helpie114]

Sacred Provence + Duality = Under Rated

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

After 23 trials engrams from 2 days work I still only have my moving target desperado "god roll" from like 8 months ago. I could have spent that coin on igneous

[@kenja0685]

You're correct on Elimination. Why does it need to exist during Trials? I think Elimination needs to be the same node as Trials and they just replace each other depending on day of the week OR just make Trials active the whole week and resets on Fridays. And on Iron Banner weeks, just replace Trials with Elimination.

[@cchamberlain92]

Trials is paid to play now, and Elimation is F2P. It's to give free players trials like experience without paid

[@DerultimativeOzzy]

Wouldn't a Legal Action with surplus+frenzy be a similar if not more interesting alternative for having a pulse be "assembled contrastingly"? Its high zoom gives plenty of additional range after all that can reach 49meters with no perks active, just range stat boosts.

[@chrismarsh1425]

Cammy what shades are you running?

[@dandremcdoe7865]

I got one with Encore and kill clip it's pretty damn good. It's a regular one tho. But the range and stability buffs depending on how you get a kill is both really noticeable and honestly it remind of Boolean Gemini from D1

[@CrimsonEclipse5]

9:43 the fucking botwalk lmao

[@FettuccineAllaGay]

personally not sold on Heating Up on any weapon, defs prefer to fix Recoil Direction via barrels/mods for consistency of control sake. The accuracy buff is sweet tho. Not to mention it diluting the perk pool for PvE perks, ickyyy.

[@Akwardave]

Trust me, Heating Up is straight magic on automatic weapons. It burns the candle at both ends: the recoil direction helps the stability bost make a bigger difference, which in turn helps the accuracy boost make a bigger difference. Try it out on one if you haven't yet. I know I personally dismissed tunnel vision entirely until I felt how strong it was on my Scathelocke.

[@nerdherder9340]

With messenger, i think i prefer moving target to anything else in the first set of perks. Bonus aim assist that is literally always on is great and so is strafe speed on a lane-y weapon

[@themcpolo]

Now I know how frenzy works in PvP. But now my question is this, how much of a grace period do you get between gun fights when you are trying to activate it?

[@Warriorsoul101]

He said before that it's 5 seconds.

[@Manstrual]

5.5 I believe

[@themcpolo]

@@Warriorsoul101 thank you

[@themcpolo]

@@Manstrual thank you

[@Fr0styFriend]

You mentioned your Shotgun having Quick draw? I thought it had threat detector for the synergy with jesters?

[@donny4405]

I have a non adept messenger with full bore, ricochet rounds, moving target and frenzy. I haven't used it but after this video I think I might.

[@PambazoF1]

Elimination is probably still in the game mainly for the people who don't own beyond light (or witch queen in a few months) and still want to experience the mode that it's on trials the majority of time

[@alejandroecheverria4949]

I wonder if you can activate Frenzy off yourself (by shooting at a wall) with ricochet rounds

[@CC-2062]

Some people just want to see the world burn

[@goresometimes3528]

If y'all want a roll that's THE most consistent y'all need to try chambered compensator, high cal, encore, and elemental capacitor. It's a laser beam and probably my favorite feeling pulse rifle in PVP.

[@derekm9934]

Frenzy and Encore while camping with stag in rift is fun, the longer they take to kill you the more likely your buff procs.