This OFFICIAL Smash Ultimate Tier List is WRONG

[@tonyni7139]

This is what happens when a tierlist is straight up based on how much a character is played and tournament results

[@spark6306]

This. Been the same since ultimate released. Results affect the players thoughts on the character.

[@rocklob069]

Highly speculative tier lists are close to useless so why shouldn't they be based on results and reasonable potential?

[@stallionduckchaser]

​@@rocklob069it needs to be a mix of both, mkleo did insane on byleth but that didn't make him the best in the game and shiek has the best frame data and possibly highest potential in the game but will never be a tier because she is too hard.

[@shaggywali9575]

I mean how else do we place them? We’ve been placing characters like Shulk high based on potential but we are approaching 6 years into the game where it comes to a point where maybe the character’s potential can’t actually be reached. It’s also stale content because it would just be same tier list due to no patch changes

[@DprNeon]

So we do a tierlist based on potential to put Sheik and Shulk in top 2? lmao

[@im_Spade_]

Marss acknowledging that Yink is indeed cracked and underrated.

[@gibraltar4841]

Jajaja yeh

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

One of the best players in North Carolina plays yink and I've never even gotten close to taking a game from them, this character is so good

[@lmao2302]

That character is so hilariously overrated. Boomerang is a hilariously mid projectile that people forget takes like 10 years for it to come out cause they don't look at frame data.

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

@@lmao2302 it bounces, comes back, and confirms. It's worth the startup.

[@Afroninja1]

If people realized the amount of startup rang has and that he fucking yells when he goes to throw it, they'd never get hit by it. Play with sound, yink sucks

[@mrmediocre848]

You know how people keep putting Shulk so high with the, "but he's got potential?" Let's make a G-tier exclusive for Ganondorf, the potential being, "if every character camps him out, you literally can't play the game"

[@StarChargerStudios]

ganon: ima fight The slight disjoint in my back pocket:

[@mrmediocre848]

@@StarChargerStudios Joker bair?

[@rocklob069]

Thing is, he gets out boxed even when you fight him

[@A_Guy_64]

That's what the G stands for. Ganondorf. It stands for Ganondorf.

[@dogAB]

@@mrmediocre848gun

[@abghen2323]

We need a marssirank tier list

[@HComfy]

“There wasn’t any good ZSS performances last year wah” MAYBE IF YOU HAD GONE TO SOME TOURNEYS THAT WOULDN’T BE THE CASE MR. love you tho

[@vicente8436]

We need marss😭 I miss zss

[@damarihanson3876]

Nah it’s not the ZSS players’ faults, Shoe literally keeps fighting Wolf in bracket and it’s not fucking fair

[@casablancahunter1606]

​@@damarihanson3876Wolf isn't that bad of a matchup for ZSS. It's only 55-45 and not 70-30.

[@A_Guy_64]

There should be 8 tiers S, A, B, C, D, E, F and G. The "G" in G tier stands for ganondorf, because that's how god awful he is.

[@allanasifuina896]

All the bottom and low tiers in ultimate feels better like compared to smash 4 where the F and G tier exists, they can't be more worse in my opinion, you can actually be good With them but it Will depend on your skill , there Was a year where a ganondorf beated a good pyra/mythra player, peanut is good example of an amazing little Mac player ,etc.

[@DapperDan22]

No character is awful.

[@DaUltraInstinct]

@@DapperDan22that’s a hot take

[@hanson708]

Putting sheik and Luigi in b tier is crazy. As if there weren’t multiple big tournaments in u.s. and Japan THIS YEAR that were won by sheik and Luigi mains. Absolutely criminal

[@matthiashopkins7502]

luigi is much more ass than sheik, but ultimately has that ultimate x factor thats better than half the cast

[@jeffshittles3664]

good players don't make good characters. the amount of work both luigi and sheik to get any semblance of an advantage state compared to any actually good character is absurd.

[@matthiashopkins7502]

@@jeffshittles3664their advantage state is fine. in fact sheik has an extremely good advantage state, luigi kinda does its just their x factor isnt as big as steve or g&w

[@jeffshittles3664]

@@matthiashopkins7502 the issue is getting there. they HAVE to play neutral and the have to play it well, unlike steve, aegis, cloud, sonic, gw, snake etc.

[@matthiashopkins7502]

@@jeffshittles3664 they do have to play neutral but their annoying AF in neutral anyways (sheik not luigi)

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

C+ tier just seems to be the tier where they put the slightly worse versions of good characters. Worse Roy? C+. Worse Lucina? C+. Worse Pikachu? C+. It looks like little consideration was put into where they are because objectively speaking, none of them belong that low and there's *no way* they are worse than the funny cat!

[@El_Mince]

Pichu has ridiculous combos even now but nobody cares. With proper spacing, Marth can steal stocks at 50, but nobody cares. Barring his recovery, Chrom is still insane, but nobody cares. People see an immediate weakness and just don’t develop the character’s strengths. Except maybe Chrom

[@TheBestLoser1]

Exactly what so many players were saying. C+ is by far the worst looking section on the list. Marth and Chrom should not he there.

[@ricocarpenter2189]

​@El_Mince With proper spacing Marth can steal stocks at 50 but with slight mess ups your opponent can live until 150. Pichu has insane combos but is the lightest character in the game that has to harm himself to do said combos. And yeah Chrom is insane besides his recovery but that recovery is a major weaknesses. Essentially being dead the moment your knocked off stage is a huge weakness.

[@El_Mince]

@@ricocarpenter2189 im not saying these characters are the best, just that they have untapped potential because they’ve been largely ignored

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@El_Mince It feels like most of their potential has been tapped. Characters starting strong and then falling off is a sign that the characters potential was realized and it simply wasn't good enough. At best I could see the characters being B- tier but even then

[@Kyvord]

This tier list should have been titled "characters i don't like playing against list"

[@chessandmusicwithoskiez6241]

True lmao

[@fiendfi7119]

dedede and mii swordfighter are some of my least favorite characters to fight tho

[@Fantasticbrownie99]

@@fiendfi7119Heavy on dedede since I’m a kirby main and he always launches me so far off the map 😭

[@artimist0315]

You wouldn't have rob and snake in S and little mac in E in this list

[@TechnoFeline]

Mewpoo and Robin being in D has basically already ruined it

[@tfthief4931]

I laughed out loud when I read "mew poo" 😂😂😂😂

[@overwishd]

Mewtwo being lower than Mii Gunner is so wild to me

[@thegam3rcube686]

The tail is Mewtwo’s problem

[@aab1254]

@@thegam3rcube686 Not enough of a problem to be lower then gunner

[@clone7272]

@@thegam3rcube686 I’d argue it’s just because Mewtwo is a glass cannon who’s too much glass and not enough cannon

[@ikaros110]

​​@@thegam3rcube686Disagree, the tail is mostly solved with the slingshot tech. My biggest problem with Mewtwo is his inconsistent combo game with nair. Sometimes chars just fall out, doesn't combo reliably into up-smash, it's super random on which side the opponent is knocked out when cancelling the nair, up-tilt doesn't hit small characters as a combo extender and is often too slow... there's a lot of problems, the tail being the least important one. If his offense were more consistent I'd think he would be pretty good

[@nathanm6372]

Ehh, Mii Gunner may be discount Samus but I think even that beats Mewtwo more often than not lmao

[@lpesic1159]

Seeing Ike that low is so painful. Bro can’t be that bad.

[@silaspq]

dabuz put him bottom 2 lol, yes he is that bad because he has the most simple gameplan in the world and you lose if your opponet knows how to perry consistantly

[@silaspq]

a simple gameplan is why he was so good back in the day but now he sucks in this meta because people know how to easily counter it.

[@sptflcrw8583]

​@@silaspq Ike being bottom two is a meme, fuck off.

[@eragon78]

@@silaspq Timing mixups make parrying a lot harder than it looks. If you parry too early you get hit, if you parry too late, Ike is safe. Ike can also mix up with tamahawk grabs and stuff too, and then you still get combod. Ike is by no means good, but low tier is hilariously stupid. The character is like mid tier. He doesnt need a more complicated gameplan, because he already has a powerful RPS setup that he forces you to play. The one tool he DOES have is incredibly powerful, even if it is linear, and he has ENOUGH mix up room so that you dont have a one answer solves all solution. "Just parry" doesnt actually work if you dont know if he's gonna tamahawk you or not, or what timing he's going to nair. That shit only works vs bad Ikes who have one braincell and cant mix up anything. Good ikes who actually know how to mix up timings are way tougher to beat because you have to actually read them to win those situations, because its an actual RPS situation. Of course, the linearity of him is still bad, which is why he's only a mid tier, but he's definitely better than the low tiers.

[@wildberrysherbert3803]

This is ultimate, we don't have "bad" characters.

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

I unironically was very confused about Sheik being beneath ZSS. If they traded spots, I would be a little more happy

[@dogAB]

lowkey swap sheik and samus

[@xvgzleppy8689]

Snake and Steve are the 2 most common primary characters in the top 150 with 7 players each

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Cloud and Min Min not being in S feels so wrong. DIDDY above CLOUD and MIN MIN bro

[@Mixer_123]

I'm a Diddy main, and I can't understand how Min Min and Cloud aren't higher man.

[@Jknight416]

It’s baffling how Link and Pichu both suddenly got dropped into mid-low tier. They can be placed much better than that if they had more representation.

[@Dual_Moon]

8:20 I have been “traumatized” by Pikachu and I would prefer him over Sonics, Steve’s, even Kazuya’s

[@FunnyValentine96]

Pink fresh catching that stray. 😭😭😭

[@pepper6592]

I can always rely on marss to not spread lies about young link

[@Mykahaia]

Ganondorf seems about right...

[@mrmediocre848]

10:11 but he's too high

[@Quackra]

He's too high, we need him to drop another two tiers

[@mrmediocre848]

@@Quackra G-tier is appropriate

[@ducklett01god]

He's so bad but his players are so amazing

[@xxkomebackkidxx]

I love playing Gannon. He is bad BUT all you need is about 3 hits.

[@Céleste3718-c6j]

as an Inkling main I feel saddened by this tier list, even more considering the fact that it's probably true x) I don't think Inkling is that low though, B+ tier would be more accurate in my humble opinion

[@blackshot910]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN, I’ve been maining inkling since the game came out and it saddens me how people think she’s just horrible, and it doesn’t help we don’t have much representation right now

[@r00dll60]

6:40 I said “Roy” with Marss at the exact same time like we shared a braincell.

[@coreytcook1]

This tier list is truly less accurate than 2023's. The entire D+ tier is wrong and all belong higher than they are placed. Thank you Marss for acknowledging that Yink is cracked.

[@camaslamian8514]

Ik roy fell off but below sora is wild

[@silverpotato4272]

sora is broken af

[@zapadap1328]

K. Rool main here. No way is he worse than Dedede. Dedede has big damage that's INCREDIBLY slow. K. Rool has a recovery, a counter, 2 projectiles, 2 buries, and super armor on like a third of his moves. I'm not arguing that he's a top tier, but he's not in E tier, and he's DEFINITELY not below Dedede.

[@HMM-d2v6w]

Yeah dedede is absolutely bottom 2. Worse than Mac? Yes. You can literally hit gordo back at him and basically destroy his gameplan.

[@SuperDuperNick]

I agree. Not only that, but he’s got two spikes that are fast and very savage

[@lowlink534]

​​@@HMM-d2v6w His aerials are not thaaat bad though and he has the annoying swallowing gimmick... He's at least a bit annoying to play against, specially online But yeah I guess you can say that about Ganon, but Ganon kills at like 60% if you fuck up, meanwhile Dedede probably won't, maybe Dedede is worse than Ganon? 😂🎉 He has a good-ish recovery though, Ganon is easily gimped

[@jonteguy]

I think putting characters in tiers based off of results is valid, *IF* a lot of people play that character. But for characters like Wario and Yoshi? Nah. Those characters are not that good. They are being elevated by the players. A (not A-tier) tier should be determined by how many plays the character and how well do they normally do. Not "This character has ONE GUY that gets results with it so let's put it in S/A." Steve is the perfect example because people with normally not great results all of a sudden got Top 8 or even won. I don't count Acola in here because he's obviously good and was a kid when Steve came out and still is a kid so him having had results pre-Steve makes no sense.

[@lordmolag45000]

"K Rool f*cking sucks" *Me, an avid King K. Rool pro:* Are you sure about that

[@d8-remy]

Content idea: 5-10 characters you want to see pop off this year. Preferably underrated ones, but anything goes really.

[@anthonyvadala4837]

I believe the list was mostly made from the averages of where the people who sent in their tier lists had characters. Not tourneys. EDIT: also I believe both the methodology and differences are explained on the site.

[@rafaelblackman9879]

The problem with characters like Mega Man is that even though they’re good characters, the meta is so harsh to them to the point where they almost don’t exist sometimes.

[@brehella770]

I swear that Young Link is just the build your own combo character. He can combo virtually anything into anything. I’m glad I don’t see more people playing him.

[@drewsprings6504]

Ike lowkey fell the hardest, he was nair the character and broken and now he’s almost bottom 10

[@ochako_gaming]

Honestly, I'm not too knowledgeable in terms of tier lists and competitive smash, but I will still argue Robin belongs in C Tier

[@DRjaffy]

I know youre iffy with yoshi, but i feel like hes pretty accurately placed. Hes got double jump armor, non poke-able shield, does crazy damage and is the fastest air speed in the whole game! Thats a high up charecter if you ask me!

[@one-wingedoreo]

Im gonna say it and I've believed it for the longest time On the topic of Sonic being too high Kazuya belongs in that spot. Character is LUDICROUSLY broken he just shuts down so many characters and theres always a risk of him just phasing through whatever you do and killing you for it. Character is absolutely wild and hes like ROB where his mus dont matter because you never truly have a lead vs him hes one interaction away from making the game even Absolutely insane character

[@Nyagi.]

sheik being in midtier is a hate crime

[@mrmunchin2578]

UNDER zss?? no mf way

[@jollama]

You spelling “Sheik” wrong is a hate crime

[@julioarcaiko]

I think Sheik suffers from Shulk syndrome: a solid character that is overrated because “played perfectly” is the best character in the game… but it never happens.

[@shamman781]

Whats with anime pfps and thinking sheik is broken?

[@anyaforger8484]

@@julioarcaikoExept void play the character perfectly so Wrong and cap

[@Ravenbeak2564]

So I disagree on some things marss but I'm not gonna debate everything with someone who's better then I'll probably ever be at ultimate. That being said the reason pokemon trainer is high tier is cus they're hardly used yes, but if you watched tweeks pt mu chart pt just losses or goes even with a lot of top and high tiers. Notable characters pt losses too are rob, sonic, shulk, diddy, zss, mythra, fox, roy, palu, pikachu, ylink, mario, mii gunner, min-min, pacman, lucas and the samus's. If I'm optimistic I don't think all of those are losing but honestly most probably are. According to tweek pt losses to even more, I'd link his video but youtube would take it down. Good top tier 5-10 characters have few if any losing mu's, which is why pt isn't there; well that and lack of usage in top level.

[@vaxildagger]

I feel like this tier list is a direct result of a bunch of players from the states going to Japan last year

[@IsaacBollhorst]

Mewtwo most underrated character in the game

[@anyaforger8484]

Mewto is b tier but I think bowser jr is underatted two

[@cookieoggie5309]

@@anyaforger8484yea I wish bowser jr was less forgettable

[@portercruickshankdefarias5641]

This tier list is hugely suffering from top player rep syndrome. Sonic is only so high cause of sonix. They have clearly looked at results, not at the characters tools and potential in general. I mean how are people ranking snake above pythra and Rob cmon. (And I guarantee if they made this list after what Zomba did at genesis 10 Rob would've been higher despite the game not having an update in over 2 years).

[@RealBroccoliHour]

I mean Sonix definitely helped develop Sonic’s meta, but that doesn’t mean Sonic doesn’t deserve to be that high. Especially with the already decent amount of Sonic players on the rise.

[@greem7546]

Not commenting on how low bowser is is crazy

[@Diamond_Aura]

If you read this “tier list” as more of a “recent results report” instead of an actual tier list it makes way more sense lol The first one still feels more accurate than this one imo

[@MiddoTD]

If they make a “tierlist” each year then its a results tierlist but i personally think the first one is very accurate

[@apmoln1815]

When is the 3rd official tier list coming out?

[@duck___e]

lucas being next to banjo & kazooie in c- tier will forever haunt my dreams.

[@beansfebreeze]

PT is just the captain falcon of top tiers. Casuals think the character is hype but people that have played for a while know they're pretty one-note

[@jamport5973]

S rank = can win whenever Any other rank = matchup dependant

[@Ordinary218]

Okay, Bowser Jr. is one of the most underrated characters of all time. There is no way people think that Bowser Jr. is worse than characters like Donkey Kong, Wii Fit Trainer, Banjo & Kazooie, Jiggily Puff, and his father.

[@Jaaamal93]

Would be interesting to see if we can train an AI / Algorithm that analyses frame data, knockback, damage, character weight / height, speed etc. Train it to take into account potential margin for error, cheese potential and the consistency of a character (if moves work or not for example). Mix and match this with some pro player input + tourney results and you would get something super realistic (in theory). I'm not a game designer, but would be super interested in if I can also see from a statistical standpoint on what makes character attributes good / bad.

[@commscan314]

That's called making an engine. You're saying to make an engine.

[@Matpit18]

Did ESAM make this tier list!? How tf is Bayonetta better than any of the characters in B+ Tier!?

[@dogAB]

nah im sorry bayo is so good all 3 major smash continents have top level bayos, she’s such a good tournament character

[@TheHuTao.]

Nah Lima and Bloom carrying

[@TedjiroKamado]

This is a results tier list, not a viability tier list.

[@ABC-ik9vj]

sure bud, go and win with ganon a major

[@edelgard4486]

This is not a character tier list, this is a past year results tier list

[@ABC-ik9vj]

What do you want? Ganon in s tier?

[@ScareyBusey]

PT is fun for me, but it's probably because I was a huuuuge Pokémon kid and seeing the originals on the screen brings me joy

[@stormzgamer288]

Marf is too iconic not to be top tier 🗿

[@im_Spade_]

He's not top tier lmao, good try tho?

[@stormzgamer288]

@@im_Spade_ ik I'm just saying he's an icon to Smash it's criminal he's trash 😭

[@wisteqs6644]

tru ig at least fox retained his decency

[@MaxPartridge-lt2tc]

How come they put Marth in C tier,but then they put Roy and Lucina in A tier? Roy I kind of get but Lucina and Marth are essentially the same character are they not?

[@aaaayeet5110]

Marth has this strange tipper mechanic where he does more damage the further the enemy is, i’m guessing he’s low because it makes him a lot less consistent? i personally disagree with the tier list on this

[@Dusk_1147]

My boy yoshi in A+ tier

[@sebastianandres6802]

Even tho this tier list is better than the last one, there's still some war crimes happening

[@Lt31337Luca]

It's really weird when people rank PT and Yink lower just because they're not played as much as they used to be. Also, Yink having a killing fthrow is kinda cool since it incentivizes you to approach them while they're cornered and get punished for using your tether grab, unlike uthrow on him and Samus killing anywhere, or bthrow incentivizing zoning all the time forever.

[@dogAB]

@200SAX so going off of DDee and Ateliers MU charts PT 100% beats Steve, Peach, Bayo, and Palu PT debatably beats Fox, Roy, Terry, Yoshi, Falco, Corrin, Sora, Kazuya, and Aegis PT goes even with Cloud, Snake, Wolf, Lucina, and Joker AGAIN, this is what two top PT players said, im just relaying info

[@aab1254]

Take: the old official tier list was better then the new one

[@ceb1242]

Nah that's just factual

[@mohammadalhusaini810]

Nah the old one had sephiroth in too 30 which is far from the truth

[@Yung_Baby_Lotion]

Hot take: Pichu and Inkling are still really good

[@blackshot910]

FOR REAL

[@liquidmiilk7764]

Why don't more PT players use bullet seed? It's the perfect damage dealer, and it usually fully connects.

[@TheSharkAnt]

The problem with Bullet Seed is that there's no real reward for landing it.

[@liquidmiilk7764]

@TheSharkAnt assuming you're on stage, the whole thing should connect (25%) and your opponent is in the air above IVYSAUR of all characters. I think it's pretty useful.

[@cyC0NIC]

Someone in chat: “I think Marth is better than lucina.” Marss: “Well I guess you don’t get any more opinions then, I think that’s how that works!”

[@silverpotato4272]

Not gonna lie bayo should be higher idk why marss thinks she sucks

[@stephenhiney5018]

I can confirm as a young link main, I enjoy pressing the little red button. No one told me not to.

[@Asnerlicious]

I have never seen Metaknight that high. But maybe this is connected to Japanese placements.

[@Somebeedude]

I don’t get the hate with Ganon, considering he has extremely high damage Yeah his recovery sucks, but he is absolutely busted when he’s not offstage

[@sorenzzz]

ZSS feels bad these days. She has unnaturally good matchups into the most hated characters right now but sucks or struggles against a big portion of the top characters, especially after the nerfs.

[@colinhoeg4728]

Honestly I think the biggest jump is rob. Ppl forget that nobody really cared about Rob until zackray really showed what he can do. Afterwards zomba started climbing the ranks. Then everyone played him. But when you wanna talk about the times where palu was considered top 5, that's when nobody knew about Rob.

[@RAHHicecream]

We’re not gonna talk about how low ness is

[@goresheite]

Lucas is better than ness and hes so loooowwwww wtttffff

[@Ralph_Wolf1955]

This is a "competitive" tier list because if it was a casual tier list characters like ,king dedede , k rool, bowser ,dk ,kirby or ganondorf etc. would be in a biggest tier because casuals like me, like fun characters who are easy to play

[@Zefra_Sol]

I would be a firm believer of PT in S tier.... IF THERE WERE RESULTS

[@dogAB]

Quidd and DDee are the top 2 in NA and they both can’t travel outside their region 😔

[@Zazzles1280]

Kazuya in A+ tier must be a practical joke

[@Eggss_B]

That's a fair placement

[@zowlkun]

@Marss what do you think of shulks placement?

[@Idk_idc808]

I mean to be fair some of the placements didn’t change only the tiers did

[@Turkey07-ox9re]

As a king ddd main i have no opinion about his placement

[@SportsGaming-ll3ru]

Young link not being in at least A is a crime

[@AnthonyStuart-n9l]

Chrom being low tier is crazy considering that he is worse than Roy but not that much Also, I feel that Steve should own s + by himself, sonic and gaw own s tier as they are the most interchangeable there but are also very much top 3 and then rest of s- tier can be whoever the heck you want

[@exploremiami585]

DK and Link definitely got snubbed

[@LARAUJO_0]

Sonic, Game & Watch, and Snake being top 4 is a massive cope

[@zukodean285]

8:10 yeah I’m not on the Lucina being wayyyyy better than marth train either

[@Mixer_123]

I feel like Yoshi is just a "tad" bit high. Idk man.. kinda sketch.

[@Mixer_123]

I may also be overreacting, but I think there are better characters than Yoshi imo.

[@Flindo911]

Nah man Yoshi is busted

[@Mixer_123]

@@Flindo911 lowkey yeah I see the vision

[@Rspknlikeab0ssxd]

I like that Isabelle is higher than Villager now

[@oblivion6411]

I know I’m probably “that guy” but there’s no fucking way bowser is c tier. B minimum. I say that cause he’s the “skill check” character. If you know how to play the game, you know how to beat bowser, all boils down to execution. Hence the skill check character

[@KevSB07]

Don’t you think that “skill check” characters would be the exact type of characters to be underrated by skilled players?

[@reforgenarsil]

Ike used to be considered A-tier way back when; oh how the mighty have fallen

[@SonicTheCutehog]

The issue is that they're still doing the 1-10 rating

[@Yung_Baby_Lotion]

Wait hold up, Bowser is kinda broken

[@tuckerlamm924]

I love saying Robin is worse than he is, but wow lumin rankings took those jokes seriously. Bad character, but BARELY better than DK is crazy

[@nicofire31]

So no one is going to talk about isabelle being above villager

[@hiitsmorgan5431]

A lot of these characters have potential but lack representation at the top level. As a pichu player myself pichu is def not a C tier character. The problem is that NaetorU is literally the only notable pichu at the top level. If we had more prominent top level pichus in the US and Japan that would def help his stocks. Same for characters like Marth and Inkling. Corrin is the perfect example of high tier potential with a lack of representation. When shadic, neo, and Leo starting having good results with corrin, he immediately rose from low tier to high tier.

[@redocto64]

disapointed that kazuya is only a+ and not s-

[@DiseasedFrog]

Seeing so many top players not be greninja believers will make it so much more satisfying when tarik becomes number 1 in the game 🙏

[@Lobowskee]

I can’t believe that Isabelle is considered to be better than villager. I main her now but I’ve always thought villager had better tools than her. The loyd was a main factor in my opinion.

[@spook8716]

How can Lucina win a SMASH SUMMIT and be low A tier

[@45571]

is this list actuelly ordered?

[@boringfactor8792]

everyone's mains are always F tier

[@landoftheninja]

Funny bc a new pokemon gen 3 ou tier list just dropped and there were some unpopular opinions there too

[@stefanarlio1579]

Haven't caught up with the Gen 3 OU meta in a while, what changed?

[@Ravenbeak2564]

You cannot seriously tell me you enjoy watching pt more then pika, zard who's super hype especially with hard reads, ivy who yeah she's lame, squirtle does recycle combos but he still always goes in, maybe I have main bias but they're still super hype to me. A meta where pt is wildly played yeah the level of hypeness would go down but it'd be far better then the meta we have rn.

[@whit38]

zss is like if a bad character was super privileged

[@legendarysoil1064]

Zss being over Mii brawler is fucked up

[@boomstickYT]

I have basically no experience fighting chrom why is he so much lower than other neutral god characters with shitty recoveries like aegis or fox

[@Quackra]

Fox's recovery is not bad, he can not be 2 when using side b correctly

[@alexholmes8714]

Mythra and fox are both faster than him and at least have side b as an option when sent far away, and chroms game plan is too simple.

[@Quackra]

@@alexholmes8714 Chrom has nearly the highest max air speed in the game, and he definitely is too low just because his normals are crazier than most.

[@saxophonebuizel2458]

I'd like to argue sora is a+ or s-