This ONE article lost me all my friends: Journalist Katie Herzog

Journalist Katie Herzog says one article lost me all my friends. She is a culture writer and journalist known for appearing on Bill Maher Overtime and for her podcast Blocked and Reported, which she hosts with Jesse Singal. She lost her friends from woke culture and trans ideology after writing an article for The Stranger on gender dysphoria, woke culture and cancel culture explained. We chat about everything from transgender sports and Judith Butler to Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. Other mentions include Graham Linehan, Lia Thomas (swimmer) and detransitioning.
Watch this after her appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher (Overtime).
#katieherzog #cancelculture #transideology
Katie Herzog links:
Blocked and Reported: podfollow.com/1504298199
/ kittypurrzog
The Stranger article on detransitioning: www.thestranger.com/features/...
Andrew Gold links:
/ andrewgold1
/ andrewgold_ok
/ andrewgold_ok
andrewgoldpodcast.com
0:00 Journalist Katie Herzog's De-Trans Article in The Stranger
7:00 Take-Down Articles About Katie Herzog (by bots?)
14:11 Accepting Progressive Changes
18:29 Trans in Sports
22:58 Caitlin Jenner & Lived Experience
26:27 Judith Butler is UNREADABLE
31:14 How it feels to be cancelled
38:54 Can you say the N-Word?
45:20 The Right-Left Dichotomy
46:41 Has Graham Linehan gone too far?
51:46 Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro: Religious Secularists?

[@AndrewGold1]

What are your thoughts on this outrageously controversial topic? Leave them below, remember to sub, and keep watching!

[@millipedic]

Katie is a very interesting person with well thought out complex views on hot button topics. We need more like her.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@millipedic Absolutely, I was delighted when she came on the show. Hope you continue enjoying my videos, it's a pleasure to have you here.

[@gregoryrobinson324]

I think you weren't critical enough of her opinion. She kept saying her feelings about an implied sudden influx of trans people. You gave some counterpoints and she kept saying: "i understand that but i feel...' and you just let her carry on. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe it was an overreaction to try and 'cancel' her , not knowing this story before I was genuinely intrigued to hear her story and leave this video thinking "maybe the otherside got it wrong'. But as soon as she hot to her main crux of a 'worry' over a perceived increase in trans people you should of educated her and reframed the discussion. Because that specific view is transphobic and a myth peddled by transphobic people. To clarify i believe there is some nuance here where Katie is not a full-on bigot as some people are trying to colour her. I think its wrong the otherside are being so violent towards her. Although she does have some misguided thoughts and feelings. Because even if she was right there's nothing wrong with that , people dont make these choices lightly. As referenced the "80% detransistioning" is a lie and a scientific study which has been officially rebuked and discredited. There is nothing wrong with her interviewing detransistioned people and listing their experiences as long as its made clear these people are q tiny tiny minority of an already marginalised group. There was way too much discorse to let sone ill-informed rhetoric to surface

[@AndrewGold1]

​@@gregoryrobinson324 Hi Gregory, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. My channel and style are very different to that of Prof Dave (of whom I'm a huge admirer) - although we definitely share fundamental values of truth, science and anti-magical thinking. It's not my role as a journalist (not a professor like Dave!) to educate people. I bring my listeners intriguing views...as you noticed, I try to push back a little. And I trust my viewers - who tend to be centrist moderates - to make up their own minds. You could say that I have a moral duty to push back harder. I respect that position, and I respect journalists who hold it. But it's not one I hold. That's partly a personal choice, and it's partly an acknowledgement of my limitations/strengths as a host. My personal motto for the channel is 'curiosity over judgement'. Those who love this podcast (and it is successful in audio form - I'm fortunate enough to make a living from it now) often point to my lack of interference and moralising as its strength. But I accept your criticism. If you prefer more of an educator or moral arbiter, this channel might not be for you. I hope, however, that you do warm to it. Thanks, Andrew

[@jamesholland8057]

I’m american. Pursue happiness as you will is my motto.

[@TheColdrush22]

Katie is one of my favorite human beings on the planet.

[@AndrewGold1]

Mine too! She's a great thinker, and I think her values really align with this channel. Hope you stick around!

[@tthompson9244]

Who wouldn't want this intelligent, funny and charming person as a friend. People are idiots. And her podcast is great.

[@AndrewGold1]

I agree! Those that are unsubscribing to this channel obviously do not! Hope you stick around t thompson

[@DrDittle]

@@AndrewGold1 You're losing people because of this video? Strange, since it's a good one. I'd assume you'd be gaining a few. It's likely those subs were fake anyway. Don't know if you know who [redacted] from [redacted] is, but I remember him saying something about the algorithm adding and removing subs for various reasons. "Controversial opinions" being one reason for removal. Edit: lol What did I say this time? Shadow banned yet again.

[@Wundernuts]

@@AndrewGold1 I've subscribed, and directly as a result of this video, if that helps. We need every voice we can get asking questions about the chilling effect that extreme woke-ism is having on discourse, the ability to respectfully disagree, and willingness to find compromise.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@Wundernuts Jason, so happy to hear that. Hope the channel and its content keep being of value to you! Come say hi in one my live premieres mon and Thursday evening

[@lisao6928]

I'm a lesbian and would love to have a friend like Katie! I like intelligent, open-minded people who are genuine and Katie seems genuine in her interviews. I don't spend much time in lesbian circles myself these days.

[@AndrewGold1]

She really does. She's great and I'd like to be her friend to. Question is - would she want you and I as friends? Hmm!

[@7armedman]

You're looking for someone to much your GIGANTIC unshaved bush I imagine.

[@idontwantahandle510]

I'm a straight dude and I want a friend like Katie. I think most of us are drawn to high IQ people. Until someone with a superior intellect disagrees with us. Then we hate them. We are a strange species.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

The friends who dropped her could only have been situationship friends. Reminds me of 'mum friends' of young children, it seems like an all encompassing easy-circle-of-friends *to begin with* but its basis is convenience and then at some point you think who are these people.

[@expensivepink7]

she's rational. we cannot even ask questions about objective reality anymore without being branded a transphobe.

[@AndrewGold1]

Agreed, thanks for watching Daisy!

[@jamesholland8057]

I love her because she is not angry at everything and likes to laugh.

[@AndrewGold1]

She's great.

[@jamesholland8057]

@@AndrewGold1 Thank You Sir, you are great also.

[@Trenchant468]

Perfect dry humor!

[@Wundernuts]

I'm arriving here with an increasing feeling of unease after reading about Dr. Ken Zucker in Canada, and the work of Kara Dansky (both of whom have also been labeled TERF/transphobic and denounced). I don't yet feel like I can say how much I concur or disagree with the specifics of their positions (or Katie's), but I can say this with certainty: I find the militancy of trans activism in trying to silence any dissenting opinion, no matter how reasonably stated, hugely problematic. The attempt to disallow even asking certain questions is entirely akin to the censorship we've endured forever from the religious right. And it's just as concerning. To paraphrase Nietzsche on this: "we become the monsters we fight".

[@AndrewGold1]

I agree Jason !

[@richjturn]

I'm a cult recovery counsellor and cult psychology consultant... I have had parents ring me up saying they feel their teenage children have been recruited into a trans cult and brainwashed into thinking that gender reassignment is the answer to all their problems.

[@knicksprop]

I'm biased because I am a BARPod Primo, but finding Katie and that other guy's podcast was one of the best things that happened to me during the pandemic. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I've made friends from just listening to it and now I have your channel to watch.

[@AndrewGold1]

Hi jmac! She’s great isn’t she ! I love that feeling of community. I do premieres on this channel - so come tonight at 9pm uk time (5pm NY) to say hi and meet some really great people.

[@violetvicky1970]

Same here. I love Katie and Jesse and my friend got me a Barpod membership for my birthday. I can't believe how her friends have treated her - they should be ashamed of themselves. She seems like such a nice person, so funny and honourable and it's their loss. Painful though - you could see it has hurt her. I really enjoyed this and will be watching more of Andrew's videos.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@violetvicky1970 That's what I want to hear (the bottom part, which concerned me, as well as the top part, which was nice about Katie!). Let me know your thoughts about other vids on the channel!

[@knicksprop]

@@violetvicky1970 it is sad, because I operate from the mindset of "we can disagree and still be friends" but it's like, she's just been shunned. Like people lack the decency to even tell her. Well, fuck'em, she's great, their loss.

[@7armedman]

Dude people you listen to passively aren't friends. Jesus.

[@shadowpigglet]

Saw her on Bill Maher, wish she had gotten more time to speak. Andrew Sullivan is quite the talker.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha he is! I hope I gave her enough time in this!

[@7troyfreund]

I liked her on there too. Love Andrew too though.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@7troyfreund Thanks Troy!

[@Killeenster]

Great interview. Why anyone would take offence to Katies opinion boggles my mind. But I think this is more to do with smearing rather than understanding her views. Once smeared there's no way back it seems.

[@jamesjross]

Cannot believe I just found this. I really enjoyed this interview.

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah brill, enjoy it!!

[@bthe1doright462]

Katie is an intelligent thoughtful and earnest person. I very much appreciated this exchange of ideas and expression of personal thoughtful experience between you both. I have been very concerned as a citizen of the widely swinging cultural / political pendulum that is currently seeming more and more like a dangling sword. I see so many young people lost and loud about gender. I feel for them and wish we could talk about the mental health crisis in American Youth - - and admit that issues of sexual identity and a preference have moved 20 paces too far off the board and we are not understanding the serious implications to the overall future health of these individuals. There are more things to fight about now and more words to describe experience but there is no forward healthy development. In Support Of Authenticity of Being and Learning to Care for Ourselves and Each Other. Love and Respect

[@yumyumbumblebee]

I know this is also technically anecdotal but I've had this exact same experience. I've been a lesbian since the mid 90s as a teenager & have lived in the gayest city in the country for over 20 years. I watched 90+% of butch lesbians transition over the course of a few years- probably in the hundreds. There is no way this isn't a social contagion. I watched it happen in real time.

[@billdavis9612]

Great interview. I was on of those listeners who got mad at her podcast a while back, though I didn't stop listening. They did an interview with one of their producers who had pulled a scam on "Libs of TikTok" and fooled it into posting a false story. I was outraged because I think of "Blocked and Reported" as a show that celebrates seeking truth based on reality and navigating the tides of ideology, and pulling a scam on anyone, regardless of merit, is an ugly thing to do. We don't need more lies in the public sphere. So there was quite a backlash and in the next program they explained that it wasn't THEIR scam, it was a side project of one of their producers, but they clearly didn't do enough to distant themselves from what this producer had done. It was also clear that they believed that some of the criticism was motivated by ideology, which is a bit insulting. But it was just a blip. It's still a great show.

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh my I didn’t know all that thanks Bill!

[@wfjhDUI]

Sounds like you're just mad because they exposed Libs of TikTok.

[@billdavis9612]

@@wfjhDUI I was angry because Jesse is so often frustrated with so-called journalists who simply lie about things, or who are completely indifferent to the truth, and it seemed like they were endorsing a scam, which seemed like was going against what their program stood for. I don't care about Libs of Tik Tok. Looked at it maybe three times. If it hadn't come up in this kerfuffle I might have never looked at it.

[@MidnightRambler]

Show empathy. But these trans activists are bonkers and should be ignored.

[@brianmathisinmontana]

Katie, I love the fact that you were happy that the photo used in slurring you was cute. Good job!

[@AndrewGold1]

haha!

[@truenorth2615]

As it relates to your discussion about Caitlyn Jenner's athletics past.....Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, was a hugely publicized Athlete in the US in the late 70's. He remained a public personality, Olympic commentator etc...well into the 80's. He won the Gold Medal and set a record in the Decathlon at the 1976 Montreal Olympics. It absolutely blows my mind that his athletic achievements are now the lesser known part of his past.

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow that is fascinating to know, and I did think that might be the case. Thanks so much for watching, and hope you continue with other videos on here - come join us at 9pm UK time tonight for my next episode.

[@walruswasrob]

Jenner was on cereal boxes in the 70’s!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@walruswasrob Wow, so he/she was a star!

[@walruswasrob]

@@AndrewGold1 Very much so. Before marrying into the Kardashians, Jenner parlayed that Olympic success into a small acting career (Jenner’s biggest role was as a series regular playing a cop on the TV series CHiPS).

[@shadowpigglet]

The Decathlon is the Benchmark for who is the greatest of the Olympians of that years games. Bruce Jenner was that guy and, as the above said, was the greatest of the greatest.

[@dougsauvage1099]

As a gay man, I've always had a strong sense of my gender. I was questioning my sexuality before I was a teenager, but I've never questioned my gender. I've always felt exactly right being male, so yeah it makes sense to me that gender identity is a real thing. I've always assumed that trans people felt inside about their assumed/assigned gender they way I did about my assumed/assigned identity. This is one way I disagree, there are a few others, but it's refreshing to hear different viewpoints than I hear in my queer Seattle bubble and I appreciate the conversation.

[@AndrewGold1]

This is my favourite type of comment, thank you for taking the time Doug. I love when someone has a different opinion but found the video interesting anyway! Really interesting what you say about feeling like a man. I do hope you stick around on this channel - KZbin could use more commenters like you!

[@jamesjross]

This is it in a nutshell. When the mob "cancel" someone you're effectively saying "I don't want to talk" and "I don't want you talking to anyone else"... So just listening is so important. What I don't understand about how discussion about this fringe subject is dominating the narrative. That, in and of itself, is an interesting subject to explore.

[@uncleskipsprairiejustice9367]

The way Ms Herzog was treated by her "friends" was cruel, stupid and simple-minded. I am fortunate that as a gender critical person, I haven't lost any friends. Maybe being a boomer I have some kind of extra layer of protection.

[@kearonagnes]

I’m a 63 year old classic lesbian and I agree with Katie’s observations and thoughts.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks for watching and commenting and good on you! :)

[@kearonagnes]

Me too!

[@lisao6928]

Andrew- you don't know any lesbians? I don't know your work, but that was surprising to me. You should get to know some. Contrary to popular belief, we're not all man haters. I love men, and think they are very misunderstood by a lot of women.

[@AndrewGold1]

Lisa, you will have to my friend then, along with Katie. I promise I've not been avoiding lesbians - I just don't really have many 'friends' to be honest, so statistically it was unlikely. I probably have about 4-5 guy friends and a couple girl friends.  I don't know what is usual haha. I remember having a million as a kid, and feeling sorry for my parents who just had like 5...and then as I got older...How many actual friends would you say you have?

[@BarnabyWild13]

I found that weird too.

[@shadowpigglet]

The 80% thing is from 2 years ago she was on We The Internet and she said 80% who identify as kids revert back later.

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah so I didn’t make it up!

[@AnthonyL0401]

I admire Katie very much for speaking up for the longstanding truth backed by biology. Also Andrew for airing this podcast episode.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you Anthony - I could do with more open-minded people like you, as subs are dropping like flies since airing that one!

[@freakyzed8467]

Main problem I have is people who just point at the physical biology as if it has all the answers to a very complex issue. The psychology involved is WAY more important.

[@AnthonyL0401]

@@AndrewGold1 I also respected your continued allowance for doubt about Katie's conclusions, as well. We don't know everything. The clues align toward gender nonconformity being a trend, but it could also be a long-unaccepted-now-free-to-practice thing that has gone on forever. The militant activity of the trans rights activists, though, has the flavor of major entitlement, which is usually a sign on some kind of dysfunction.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@AnthonyL0401 Oh I like that - I am looking for mottos for the channel to include in the banners etc - 'doubt over certainty' sounds nice. people over ideology. I hope to keep reading from you, if only to grab marketing ideas from you Anthony!

[@AnthonyL0401]

@@AndrewGold1 I am glad I can help. I won't push you for royalties haha

[@DRTyD]

I believe the 80% Andrew mentioned early in this interview comes from the following (taken from Katie’s detrans article): James Cantor summarized those studies' findings in a blog post: "Despite the differences in country, culture, decade, and follow-up length and method, all the studies have come to a remarkably similar conclusion: Only very few trans-kids still want to transition by the time they are adults. Instead, they generally turn out to be regular gay or lesbian folks." The exact rate of desistance varied by study, but overall, they concluded that about 80 percent of trans kids eventually identified as their sex at birth.

[@AndrewGold1]

Interesting thank you Darrin ! Hope you keep enjoying the channel

[@PhinkTink]

It's so strange to see how fast people get cancelled beside the fact that they are a part of "the community" just because they speak out their thoughts and doubts. It's the community declaring openess and freedom beside acceptance. Those who speak these words mostly are not living by them.

[@northernbrother1258]

True friends don't abandon you.

[@theotherkangaroo]

Love "Blocked & Reported", Katie & Jesse.

[@squeakel11]

Katie is awesome. Thank you for talking to her.

[@emilyk5718]

Loved this. Good work Katie, keep going.

[@BarnabyWild13]

Katie is funny. Just found out about her. She may think of a career as a comedian if the journalism job gets tedious.

[@marcoaddaaedc2394]

Great episode Andrew

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Marco !!

[@GeekOwtLowd]

Ironically, bi-weekly means both "every 2 weeks" and also "twice a week".

[@AndrewGold1]

It confuses me!

[@Zzyzzyx]

Twice a week is properly called "semi-weekly."

[@geraldine9116]

A South Australian MP asked a panel of Drs & I think the health minister , what is a woman ? They could / would not answer him . Bizzare .

[@AF-gd7fh]

Lesbians contacted Graham about the site. I think what Graham did exposed the idiocy of lesbian dating apps. And Graham hasn't gone to the right. I still adore Kate but i think she is so unfair towards Graham.

[@samanthathompson9812]

Yes it's disappointing. He's nowhere near as hardline on the trans thing as some leftwing old school feminists out there. He's just commonsensical.

[@panninggazz5244]

You two are hilarious! Thank you! All Hail those like you who are not afraid to crack jokes! ❤

[@blazefairchild465]

Great interview, soccer is played by most kids in the US because it’s a sport that a mom can bring her kids boys & girls together starting at age 2 . It’s great if you have two or three children. It’s played by parents who can afford it as is judo & karate. Another thing ,they are starting to do research about people on the autism spectrum having gender identity problems, they don’t feel like one sex or the other.

[@AndrewGold1]

That’s interesting. I noticed something like that watching Love on the Spectrum, a dating show for autistic people. They were very often not bothered if the person they were set up with were male or female, and didn’t appear to have much physical desire. That might just be my opinion!

[@boblozaintherealworld3577]

I'm a straight-male guy (not that there's anything wrong with that) and I have been a real admirer of Katie since I first saw her on 'Real Time' about three years ago. So damn smart and immediately likeable. Don't stop!

[@mattc5084]

Thanks for this, love Katie so much! I know she is quite humble but feel she is made with such integrity. Gives me such strength as a gay man challenging this ‘gender identity’ crap

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah thanks Matt. So glad to see it is helping people coz I mostly got shit for doing this! I’m just about to interview Dr James Cantor about the same stuff so hope you’ll enjoy it. And gad saad episode out on Monday on similar lines !

[@gregoryrobinson324]

How can you love this comment for a blatantly transphobic attitude of 'gender indetity crap'?

[@sarakearns1516]

I'm not absolutely sure what you mean by "this 'gender identity' crap" but, while your language is imprecise, it makes me think that you challenge the whole notion of gender dysphoria and gender transitioning. If I'm misunderstanding where you stand, I apologize. If I'm correctly interpreting your stand, I'm not sure why Katie Herzog's ideas and arguments would "give [you] strength": she states that she believes the science of gender dysphoria and describes herself "as someone who cares about trans people and and trans rights."

[@Zzyzzyx]

The "80% statistic" refers to the amount of gender-distressed children who, if left alone, would grow up to accept their bodies. Based on a study done in the 80s.

[@kevinhawthorne5257]

I enjoyed the video that you just did.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you Kevin !

[@sonia.jarrett]

Detransitioning, i find this an interesting subject, just curious how many go through this procedure, thank you Andrew for another fascinating interview with a beautiful soul

[@panninggazz5244]

Just saw Herzon on Gender a Wider Lens. Her voice is so important!

[@warmflash]

I hear you Katie.

[@hangz--tight3764]

My Daughter state's she would like to be a Journalist when older,is currently applying for school newspaper.

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh very cool! I wish her every success

[@krausewitz6786]

I wouldn't recommend it (or any other creative field at the moment). Far better to get something a bit more stable and do it on the side. If she breaks out with a killer piece then she can transition to journalism. If not, then she can enjoy a solid life and career doing something else. The creative world (film, journalism, publishing, academia) is so irredeemably fucked right now, and I strongly doubt it'll be better in 10-15 years (in time for your daughter).

[@AndrewGold1]

@@krausewitz6786 There is still space to pursue one's passions in this world! I hope

[@lizzeltired2155]

Actually, I do think this has to do with Katie. I am guessing that like me if she had been born a few years later she would have been encouraged to transition. She is gender non conforming similar to myself

[@AndrewGold1]

Yep fair enough !

[@beartrapperkc]

Katie rules!

[@urielpolak9949]

People are terrible. Specially those “morally superior”

[@jamesholland8057]

Arrogant of wokes. That is the word.

[@Adriana8n87R]

obrigada! ❤❤❤

[@ribbrascal]

I have a girl crush on Katie and I like boys.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha she is the best!

[@EugenieJustine]

Jordan Peterson is not religious though… he says he doesn’t believe in God but believes in religion as a belief system that organizes society in a productive manner. He once said “I don’t believe in God, but I try to live my life as if I did”

[@AndrewGold1]

Interesting, thanks Eugenie for clarifying!

[@jamesholland8057]

What does that mean? You live in fear of death and hell?

[@AndrewGold1]

@@jamesholland8057 Apparently. It's nonsense.

[@jamesholland8057]

Remember Christine Jorgenson?

[@AllPeopleUnite]

6:45 : The 80%* figure is commonly cited as the average rate of *desistance* based on research from the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. Desistance is gender dysphoria going away or being resolved without transition, as opposed to detransition where someone (who may or may not have gender dysphoria) transitions and then goes back. People like Katie Herzog and Stella O'Malley would be people who desisted, they had gender dysphoria in childhood and then it resolved during puberty in both cases (which follows desistance research of gendend dysphoric youth who desisted by puberty). The desistance literature generally follows gender dysphoric youth who are super gender non conforming in childhood and like other gender non-conforming children without gender dysphoria go on to be same-sex attracted. This is a different population than people (be they agp males or newer cohorts of females) who develop gender dysphoria in teen years or later and are much less likely to be homosexual. * The 80% figure is an average of studies finding 60-90% of children with gender dysphoria desisting by adulthood. These studies were carried out prior to the newer discourses around gender identity and increased visibility of rans identity, as well as before the advent of practices like social transition for young kids and medical transition for adolescents. These studies also ranged in terms of the context in which the kids were followed. Most studies were focused on young people with long term, classic gender dysphoria who were not getting any therapy or other interventions, they were just leaving the kids be and checking in 10 years later to see if they still met criteria for gender dysphoria and/or had any desire to transition, while some studies were tracking children who were clients getting exploratory talk therapy (as opposed to the affirmative approach that now domimates and is seen as the only thing acceptable with anything else being labelled a form of "conversion therapy") at a gender clinic , but not any medical interventions).

[@lowandodor1150]

Isn't that just the point? isn't that exactly what it is about? That you can like someone, even a whole lot BUT STILL DISAGREE with them on some major issues? I am not sure if i lost you there towards the end a little bit or if it was the language barrier once again, but those last few minutes were a bit odd for me. I can't stand Shapiro personally, but if he says something that's right, i will not agree with it any less, just because he annoys me with lot's of his personal hard line stances. I really like James Lindsey on the other hand. He is damn smart as far as i can tell and i also like his humor and personality, but i could still disagree with him on other things.... so before i repeat myself....hope that wasn't too far off and my 2 cents to Katie's experience: JUST AWFUL. People in these circles are so damn closed minded and entitled .....i am sort of having the same experience with coreowner....i saw on fb how my musicians friends and colleagues were talking about people like me and so i retreated from there and i do not hear a single word from any of them, people i've worked with for the past 2 decades and i guess now i am a nazi, well, it must be so then if it says so on the one daily newspaper here in Austria they all read and they regurgitate it over and over on their socials.... this cut is way, way deeper than we think or are willing/hoping to admit. way deeper.

[@AndrewGold1]

Vielen dank, mein freund! I am glad that you are still watching the channel and enjoying it!!

[@chrisocony]

Bruce now Kaitlyyn Jenner won the Decathlon Gold Medal (clearly no medal from Andrew though) at the 1976 Olympics. DECATHLON! Even though neither of you knew that fact, Katie rightfully called Jenner "one of the greatest athletes of their lifetime".

[@jmlorenzo3639]

I agreeeeeeee 😢

[@BarnabyWild13]

I’m sure deteansitioning numbers will rise dramatically since the transitioning is rising steadily.

[@moodyonroody5313]

Women's football will become more popular as the schoolgirl footballers grow up, I would guess.

[@AndrewGold1]

Perhaps! We shall see

[@AshikJonathan]

Did she move to Canada?

[@AndrewGold1]

Not sure Ashik

[@geopoliticsjunkie4114]

Get Woke Go Broke

[@AndrewGold1]

Yep! Hope you enjoyed the episode and stick with the channel!

[@freakyzed8467]

Snappy phrase to dismiss a complicated issue. Sad.

[@KathyD-24601]

It’s so funny when people bring up diving as a sport where sex does not matter. Diving is an explosive power sport!! You need high strength and low body fat to do it really well. Of course men are better at it than women

[@craigpurcell6432]

Initially I made the assumption that Katie was a detransitioner, based on how she looked, it's not that she is masculine, it's the opposite, this is my point: How come girls that want to transition to be boys often tend to be pretty, with hamsterish features, soft skin, and delicate looking necks; seems to be a trend; odd??? Perhaps subconsciously they don't want to be 'vulnerable', I don't know, but to me if their bone structure and features were more masculine it would make more 'horse' sense, though perhaps not more sense.

[@Solomon-Grundy76]

At one moment she based her view on her lived experience and then minutes later lived experience was irrelevant..except hers.

[@themadmattster9647]

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and as anti "woke" as I am, and sympathetic to the BS that Katie has been through, I think we may be looking at some of this stuff wrong. I'm pretty with the majority of the country as far as Trans Women in sports, and don't think 11 year olds should be on puberty blockers. That said, growing up, i knew or knew of a lot of gays and lesbians who definitely seemed like they thought they were in the wrong body, and if trans would've been more accepted, they might've transitioned or come out as trans. I don't think it's a majority, but i definitely experienced this, and think that at least accounts for part of the "explosion" in people identifying. I also want to note that as bad as Matt Walsh turned out to be, his documentary definitely shows some cringe subjects as far as the therapists he interviews, and the whole idea that they may nudge some children into going trans may be plausible based at least at what I saw. Her comments on bulimia and cutters has me thinking too, as someone only a few years older than her, this was something that was way more common, so it's an interesting thing to consider as far as her conclusions.

[@venga3]

And would those people actually feel better by having medication, surgery, surgery complications etc?

[@JonathanRossRogers]

Katie is my favorite muslim!

[@JonathanRossRogers]

Where's Moose? Has he de-transitioned? ;)

[@ElliottTrout]

kinda wish i was a lesbian now

[@VaporRize08]

Completely disagree Graham is an extremist. Katie doesn't just believe trans people should have the same rights as everyone else. She indulges gender ideology somewhat. It comes off as pleading and apologetic to those in the gender cult who abandoned her, so that they'll see she is still somewhat respecting and playing their game and welcome her back. How is what Graham did mean? What's being done to lesbians by these straight men in our apps isn't mean? Lesbians being banned from our dating apps for saying we only want to date wonen isn't mean? The extremist position here is the gender cultists position of denying reality, coming for anyone who won't indulge it's delusions and or language. Not a fan of Katie's views here. She is wrong, and the cult will not have her back unless she's obeying the entire doctrine.

[@AndrewGold1]

Well, we can all disagree sometimes. I don't remember the point that well!

[@henry199xx]

No she’s not lmao. Hope that’s clickbait

[@ethimself5064]

I'm a Leo but identify as ET Himself

[@AndrewGold1]

I salute you!

[@ethimself5064]

@@AndrewGold1 🤣🤣

[@kearonagnes]

I saw Katie on Bill Mahr and My first thought was, “Wow! I’ve been noticing that so many cute “ butch” lesbians are turning into women too!” One of my younger feminist lesbian friends explained to me that she knows she is supposed to be a man because she always loved trucks, sports, GI Joes, hated dresses (ie. Tomboy.) That would describe me! If I was coming out these days I might think I’m supposed to be a man too. I’m glad I’m an old fashioned lesbian. Thanks for speaking on this subject!

[@diggerdad1998]

Jeeze, what a softball topic. Try something controversial next time. 🤣🤣🤣

[@diggerdad1998]

But seriously, thanks for a thoughtful discussion of a minefield of a topic.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@diggerdad1998 Haha thanks James! If you think that was controversial, you just wait til Thursday - come join us at 9pm UK time for a conversation about the worst sins imaginable! Although, somehow I feel that those topics are LESS controversial than today's episode. If you're interested for Thursday, set a reminder here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5u8dqmNeLN2qck

[@drehitemup9904]

38:57 I don't trust this being factually accurate

[@AndrewGold1]

Society is definitely more sensitive to 'sacred words' around tribes now. And less sensitive to swearing sexually!

[@gregoryrobinson324]

Go watch professor dave explains video on trans identity far more nuanced than this

[@AndrewGold1]

I emailed Prof Dave afterwards to congratulate him on it. I love his videos.

[@smartstupidman]

Katie's lack of self awareness is hilarious

[@jolin8493]

Wtf?

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks for watching jo lin

[@NoCoverCharge]

Real friends don’t leave … but Democrats do

[@AndrewGold1]

Well I have no ore in this boat...(an expression I've just made up). But I always say no moralising or judgement between friends. Thanks for watching.

[@VaporRize08]

There are no friends in leftist circles. Only allies.

[@freakyzed8467]

Couldn't care less about who plays on what sports team. It's a freaking game. Feels like something bigots feel they can get away with because of 'unfair advantages' and all that crap. Height gives people unfair advantages. Body shape and metabolism gives others unfair advantages. Plus, like I said, it's a freaking GAME.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks for watching FreakyZed. I think you’re right that sometimes bigots might use that as an excuse. But part of being empathetic is being empathetic to all people. And to very many people, sport is much more than just a game. It’s a lifestyle, a career, an all-consuming passion. To those women already overlooked in other areas, it can be heartbreaking. There was that case of the swimmer for example who was number 550 or something in the county. She now competes in women’s swimming and has broken all the records. There are videos of her winning races by like ten laps. Surely you feel for the women in second and third place who devoted their lives to this - and will now be denied scholarships etc? That doesn’t mean we should hate the trans woman - she needs our empathy too. But at the same time, I wouldn’t want to just dismiss it! Anyway thanks for commenting and hope you enjoy this channel. It’s one that values people over ideologies, and doesn’t judge or moralise ! I think you’ll like it

[@VaporRize08]

It's not just a game. It's career and community for these women, safety and fairbess. If it's just a game, men can play with the men. You're a misoginist if you think women wanting the above is bigotry.

[@quentinkumba6746]

Journalist writes an article that offends all her friends. Journalist loses friends. Journalist spends rest of life whining about it.

[@SimonSozzi7258]

4:30 "Best thing for her Career". It's ALWAYS a Grift following the money.

[@fernandocrustacean]

Nah andrew this interview aint it. She comes with no evidence other than "what she has seen." You need to hold her to a higher standard.

[@AndrewGold1]

Get people to bring documents to the interviews?