This or That | Swipe Right

This or That returns with Kobe and Dash who face off over better Yuumi companions, solo queue as particularly valuable practice, and which way to swipe.
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[@firelegs42]

Probably the best of NA LCS production.

[@taekin6031]

The Dive is very good as well

[@gustavorodrigues4830]

pretty low bar but yeah

[@dimitriostsiamouras8251]

@@gustavorodrigues4830 that was the joke

[@Dttrixt]

Its the one and only thing in the whole NA league scene right now that is of some value to watch. Anything else, even just watching some lcs games is only making you worse, tring to infest you with the absurdly high ratio of NA stupidity/their average citizen.

[@clonetrooper730]

@@Dttrixt How is watching terrible production going to end up 'making you worse'? Worse in what?

[@YehNahYehAyy]

Do a different fan commented name for each episode.

[@baltr0s]

This or That: Better imports? Korea or Denmark

[@Depressedandautistic]

Denmark

[@sunclonkt7839]

Danish import under Korean managment

[@Altunuzraids]

Korea ofc u fucking dumbass

[@CharlesFloate]

Denmark has had more success in LCS, but also maybe due to English skills

[@awkbert]

Danish lcs winners: Bjerg (5), Santorin (1), sven (3), jensen (2), zven (1) Korean lcs winners: lustboy (2), huhi(lul, 1), impact (4), olleh (2), corejj (2)

[@Space_Bones]

Dragon or Nash with Kobe and Dash

[@z3len456]

Drake or Nash*

[@EimerEis]

@@z3len456 Elder Dragon

[@wellps812]

@@z3len456 drake is a type of "dragon"

[@z3len456]

Dragon or Nashor with Kobe and Dashboard

[@cass8310]

Good or Trash with Kobe and Dash? Anyone?

[@Mahongler]

Clean or Trash?

[@SamHanEsports]

Which one is Trash w/ Kobe and Dash

[@wellps812]

You cant call it clean or trash .... cuz the 2nd side isnt always "trash"

[@danielshih464]

I loved all the cast members for This or That, but I've always been a huge fan of Dash and now him being here is just like a more freeform version of him and I love it

[@SJ-TV]

Didn't know how I felt about Dash on this kind of content. Really glad to see him on this after a few episodes. Really want to see more of this from him. His standard analyst/sports-desk style is good and clean, but we need some people like him to step up with the creativity. Which we know he has!

[@PedroGiggs]

I actually think Dash is the best member ever presenting This or That. He just very well versed on his explanations

[@karltanner3953]

Still missing Jatt... But Dash is not bad

[@Kauppuccino]

I think all of them brought different perspectives to the show, which I appreciated. Jatt had a really analytical view, CaptainFlowers was more common man/meme oriented, and Dash is quite persuasive. I think Jatt was my favorite, but I also love hearing Dash talk lol

[@kbauermann538]

Confirmed: SoloQ in NA = Coop Vs Ai

[@Pad.D.B]

my thoughts exactly. xD

[@gusbacke7911]

This or that with Kobe and No Cat.

[@appla93]

Tom and Jerry is better: Twitch + Yuumi!

[@张桓瑜]

I also like Team Rocket (Ezreal, Yuumi, and Zoe)

[@ricardomokveld839]

@@张桓瑜 I thought Vi instead of Zoe

[@YehNahYehAyy]

Anything + Yuumi should be doxxed, swatted and shot.

[@Loldude2463]

3:07: His name is Tenmo Player. at least it was.

[@brenofrate1309]

T3nm0 P14y3r

[@GlassKraken]

Dash you have the kind of laugh that makes me wanna laugh too

[@rockjock32492]

still love This or That as a show and the content. Thank you for continuing to make it :)

[@edboy484]

Seaquest 2: Splish and splash with Kobe and Dash

[@edboy484]

Kobe or Dash with Flowers and Jatt

[@yiannisharalambidis4418]

The entire Licorice segment felt like he was judging us

[@alextzatzanis1]

I love dash dude such a great guy

[@illiji915]

Mish or Mash with Kobe and Dash

[@ingoskate422]

i think tbh that solo q is a huge impact for the players so many strategies are invented in solo q sometimes even from lower ranked ppl and high ranked people on their smurf account take it to the lcs and thats not what u learn when u 1v1 your academy top laner and at some point u kinda know how they will approach the lane so u kinda got a clue how to counter in solo q u always got a new one u may not know or even not know that well and in straight 1v1 the only thing u have to care about what ur oponent do against u not could there be a jungler is the mid laner still one the lane maybe the bot lane initiate the lane swap u need to see things without communication if we take scrims for example but in the end if you wanna end up on this lvl u will need both u cant just play 1 of these 2 and say will be enough trust me as we see in korea and china they are kinda 24/7 solo que but more as a practise not to reach rank 1 and if they are not in solo que they are most likely sleep or skrim but yeah if you dont take solo q serious it makes no real sense to play it and what licorice said was right and as we see it works for him so no offend in any kinda way in his opinion

[@noahsmith167]

Pass or Smash with Kobe and Dash

[@wizarded654]

"This or That with Kobe and k-Dash"

[@josephbirrenkott7993]

invaluable - Kobe's face lighting up like English major Solo queue vs practice tool/1v1's. Which is more valuable depends on what you need to improve on. Last question - I don't care if jg is ganking for ME, but he/she needs to be ganking... not afk farming and never getting objectives. The whole counter-jg meta is still a bit too hardstuck in some people's heads. Being up 2-3 camps, but having zero map impact doesn't mean jack when the other team's jg is stacking dragons and putting multiple lanes ahead.

[@danibani3313]

SoloQ is good practice if its not in NA

[@edboy484]

Smash or Pass with Kobe and Dash

[@mikelytou]

Who came up with "seaquest"? A guy named Ryan?

[@ishandeulkar9935]

This or Thatterson is amazing

[@itsnotjustme]

On the Flyquest slide, I kept hearing "seacrest" rather than "seaquest", and wondered why Ryan Seacrest was relevant here.

[@CoyoteCamouflage]

Seaquest. Because Seaquest DSV is an underrated early sci-fi show.

[@SSELoves80085]

9:24 TREEQUEST allday. look at the benifits of tree i mean we gotta smoke them too.

[@MrJarzak]

What happened to captain flowers?

[@ryanmartin674]

Personal stuff

[@Ir0nFae]

Dash has a great laugh

[@harrymcnally4290]

Treasure or trash with Kobe and dash

[@Infamouscritter]

no offense to every co host BUT DASH IOS SOOOO GOD ON CAMERA he makes any show better kobe and dash forever for this please

[@4547466]

When is academy gonna stop being ex pros out of their prime, this doesnt help NA

[@CKBAstroGaming]

meteos ovr xmithe allday :) kobe has a plant behind him he really wants TreeQuest but seaquest has turtles everyone loves turtles

[@probmaster2701]

You r delusional

[@mikelytou]

The Shredder doesn't...

[@kevinmoy3752]

If you can practice your lane with other pros on your own, soloqueue is useless for a pro. Soloqueue macro is a joke. Id say the only value (for a pro) soloqueue has is playing against onetricks on their onetrick. Scrim macro supercedes anything youd come up with in soloq.

[@amethonys2798]

I'd say a general statement though is solo queue existing (not you necessarily playing it) is good for learning. Having such a higher sample size in the game means you have a higher chance of someone discovering something good. I sincerely doubt in just scrims of 100 players you'd see one of them initially "troll" by playing something like Gunblade Voli Top because let's face it, that idea sounds dumb as hell, but it is incredibly efficient in some match ups.

[@326923855464]

I don't think you play soloq for macro but for mechanical practice. And i'm not just talking about lane, in soloq because everything is so chaotic you get exposed to a plethra of senarios and skirmishes that you otherwise probably wouldn't get to experience and learn from it and even try to replicate in your main games if you think it is worth it. I think that is pretty important.

[@justkap7157]

Damonte is a story about NA not enabling their local talent (EVEN WHEN THEY'RE PROMISING AND DOING WELL), whereas Xmithie is probably in a slump. Damonte Vs. Xmithie: Damonte is one of NA's top up and coming talents. He made it to Worlds last year and then his team got dissolved. He is potentially one of the best mid-laners in the league, and he doesn't take up an import slot. We never saw a drop in his performance. His team just got dissolved. It is a crime that he didn't start in Spring. He didn't do amazing in his first Worlds appearance, but I don't think he can take all of that blame. For Xmithie, we did see a drop in his performance this past Spring. If DL were to not start this split, it'd be the same thing. Something wasn't clicking for them on their respective teams, so Immortals decided to switch something up and give newer talent a shot.

[@auramaster13]

Hey support don't roam at random. I need my babysitter so that Malphite doesn't TP R and one shot me under tower.

[@levigarred1683]

Xmithy will be new jungler on TSM next year just watch

[@jonathanreeder8629]

i think Solo que pratice should be switched to flex 5, and then teams could que up and randomly fight other lcs and high elo teams

[@umar5138]

U know scrim? ... that is when pros teams play against each other

[@yulikshklar-hadar8971]

Trash or cash with kobe and dash

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

What's Better with Yuumi is obviously pillaging. If your exploring you might actually want to take artifacts and treasures and Yuumi is just going to look you in the eyes and slap these rare and valuable treasures across the floor. If you're pillaging and Yuumi looks you in the face and knocks everything off the shelves, you're going to nod and knock things off shelves with her!

[@SamuelRodriguez-cc2de]

Soloq is good practice if you are playing in Korean or EUW soloq. Idk about NA lmao, too much fiesta

[@Nooblet92Ca]

Legit to try out a champion that is gonna be meta sure other than that solo don’t really translate well to pro games.

[@kemvaros5031]

I love Dash, he has to be one of the strongest personalities in LCS.

[@davguev]

> Ezreal + Yuumi > JackeyLove 1v9

[@haydenmcturk2329]

smash or pass with kobe and dash?

[@badm3m334]

I dont think licorice is saying solo queue is not good practice its just that toplane is so different in lcs to solo queue .like adc your still farming trying to take winning trades and staying on the edge of fights.but toplane your rotating,looking for flanks and looking for 1v1s.where in solo queue you get spam ganked

[@erensametkaratas6593]

4:45 A non-native speaking, what's the difference between "as valuable as practice" and "valuable as practice"? I thought they meant the same thing this whole time

[@marcossamuelbocanegrav4364]

As valuable as practice means that both (soloQ and practicing like scrimms, 1vs1 and practice tool) has the same individual value. Valuable as practice means that instead of practice, you could just play soloQ and be ready for games. If you speak Spanish, I can explain it better.

[@gigian1000]

With the as valuable as practice you're comparing the valuableness and saying they're equal. With valuable as practise you're asking if solo queue has any value at all to use as practise.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

Thank you. I think I know the difference now. And no, I don't speak Spanish, but I'd like to :)

[@LAK253]

DASH THIS OR KOBE THAT !

[@jeanpoXD]

I like Dash :o he is kinda funny, but just for curious, why did Flowers left? :o

[@ravenaguila3366]

Im not sure about this but Captain flowers had a concern about his voice

[@RR-ho3td]

Kobe, Jackeylove can't 1v9 with Yuumi. It's automatically a 2v8.

[@dineshramchand8397]

Yuumi is not a champion. She is a glorified power-up.

[@hinoakuma6386]

1v9 is just a saying now. Because it doesnt even mean that his team is feeding. Most of the times it's used it's really 1v5 or 2v5 with Yuumi.

[@shawnramos729]

NA solo queue could be good. To bad the majority of decent players rather play on smurfs for queue times than play vs higher quality opponents.

[@Shuvvel]

I don't understand Kobe's reasoning for picking EG over TL. He says that TL relies on opponents being proactive and punishing mistakes but EG will win because they're..... Proactive?

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Can't wait to see another LeTigress freestyle tomorrow

[@tim251199]

KEKW

[@zdravkobekriev3397]

11:58 this is what you ultimately want from an ADC

[@lulu98769]

I like how anything that features Dash turns into a talkshow. So much more in-depth for a segment that wasn't meant to be in-depth. A welcome change. Should it be a permanent change? Who knows? But right now, this is really nice.

[@thetrexgorawr]

10:00 in 2021 its going to be this, that, or the other thing with "BeeQuest."

[@mikelytou]

And in 2022 it's going to be about recycling your body fluids to save drinking water. It'll be called Peequest.

[@FlameBlueNova]

Agree or Clash with Kobe and Dash

[@edwinpaduafontan4036]

Jg no gank, report

[@luismenciamorales9798]

4?

[@simonschalbers530]

Why is Riot not making a dating-app, when they already have a match-making algorithm? Oh... Nevermind.

[@VontoMasuna]

Ezreal is just the adc to get yuumi Out of the lane to get her on the bruiser so Olaf for sure wins that ezreal is just a tool

[@NYCFenrir]

I know they are correctly pointing on their screen which way is this or that, but it's reversed when you put it together.

[@Michael-eq8th]

thre graphic about solo queue says group vs ai...come on producers

[@TheHesjes]

Huge pet Peeve developing for me is people using 1v9 so often in a completely wrong way. It doesn't make sense for the amount of humans doing good or bad you are talking about. Specifically this time even if Jackeylove's 3 "professional" LPL teammates were helping the enemy team win and hurting Jackeylove. You still have to at least count the Yuumi and make it a 2v8. But i much preferred when people said 1v5 especially that way you aren't implying professional players in competitive league as hurting your own team instead of helping. I get it in solo queue which u queue up as one. 1v9 u don't like the random teammates they make u lose. But I really think people need to get away from saying 1v9 when talking in a competitive standpoint.

[@hinoakuma6386]

I agree. It's a big pet peeve of mine now. I didnt mind it at first, but it's really dumb to hear it being used to describe pros. It often ooverhypes a pros actual play in the game. For example, that Jakey game was 100% not 1v9. He was strong... but his team was also doing well.

[@crisspetersen5506]

Just get Xmithie on TSM already! Do it!

[@jahajesper]

Na should just accept that some player are waaaaaaaay past their prime and dont deserve a starting spot just cause they have alot of titles

[@Cryovix]

*ough cough* Huni

[@jonathankeith3793]

Save the WildTurtles!

[@christidwell180]

Seaquest is greater than treequest just because the ocean is by far more important. Not against either though.

[@Grim2103]

This or that with Kobe and Dat,

[@beckfallis6577]

First or last with Kobe and Dash

[@404_beardalmighty]

Hecarim/Garen with cat

[@huskystarcraft1]

Yolaf>zumi

[@waffillow]

Solo queue and pro play might as well be different games

[@loewen7131]

"MORE BASS, WE NEED MORE BASS"

[@gc6599]

Allahuakbar

[@anno_canno5905]

Bro EG played 100T and CLG which are worse opponents than TSM and GGS, GGS> 100T, TSM > CLG. And ppl say that TL is the second best according to scrims. I rly hate TL, but cant stand it if you put EG as better if they have 9/10th place top laner with Kumo

[@gregpartridge7554]

TL and EG both won both games, so TL having harder opponents doesn't make them better - IMO EG won their games more convincingly than TL did, even with opponent strength factored in. Kumo was maybe 9th best last split but is playing better so far in summer. Still bottom half, but EG carries through the other lanes so they don't need him to be great, just good enough to not get stomped which he showed he can do vs. Ssumday.

[@andrewcobb3919]

Anyone else want to click the accept button the whole time you were watching that part?

[@lilythium]

taking a Top NA player opinion has important in soloQ is a bad decision.

[@metalheadofmordor9169]

Those pins are so lame tho... :/

[@tim251199]

NA is trash with kobe and dash

[@pavango3812]

Jizuke aka Big Jiz

[@aironaaron]

five hundred seventy oneth

[@phoazal-m728]

secound

[@aaronlimbo5538]

Wow. Im. Here early

[@nunofigueira429]

EU>NA

[@aden4043]

Too much analysis, less fun nor funny :( Back then I watch This or That to look at caster's or talent's thoughts about the choices and yes it include analysis but somehow it turned out to be fun.

[@jeraldvillanueva4784]

3rd

[@thomasgomez3215]

No professional sport player 'practices' by playing in a bunch of random amateur games. That's all solo queue is.

[@stefanalexandru8788]

first

[@lollenzo4828]

NA soloQ is trash as the league

[@derrickwalters3417]

Get rid of dash, wtf is this energy get it together