No One Owns a REAL Anthurium Crystallinum??

[@plantgayforlife]

This video is simply relaying the historical narrative of this species. In all honesty guys, I really don’t understand the controversy myself. I’ve seen many photos of wild crystallinums with a “closed” sinus, some of which are featured in the video, that match the original publication drawing perfectly. But I guess it just goes to show how easily Mother Nature can stump even the professionals in this game.

[@matthewlaun8525]

Please keep making videos like this! They are amazing, I love them!

[@plantgayforlife]

More to come!

[@chrisplantguy]

Awesome vid! I love how you make these videos humorous as well as educational. Very smart.

[@plantgayforlife]

Thank you very much! They’re fun to make😁

[@braddahmike4432]

Documentary music on point!

[@GothicJungle]

i LOVE these types of videos that go in depth about the origin and science of plants. thank you for making such awesome videos!!

[@plantgayforlife]

My pleasure!😃

[@therealseancary]

Excellent video! Love it. So glad I found your channel ❤

[@plantgayforlife]

Welcome!

[@SilvaCod2]

Love your narration videos. Very informative and entertaining!! Like the David Attenborough of the plant world 😊

[@khayzee62]

Amazing video. Love it when you do these. I’ve watched all of them multiple times. Keep going❤❤

[@plantgayforlife]

Thank you! Will do!

[@omaam1005]

Thank you New York Plant Nerd. Cool and interesting information.

[@plantgayforlife]

My pleasure 🤓🌇

[@elainequirke3857]

I just have to say you're an absolute hoot! I love your videos, it's like if David Attenborough and Jack Black merged into a magical handsome Plant Gay.... very fun and informative! 😘

[@plantgayforlife]

Haha! Thank you! I’m surprised how often I’m compared to Jack Black but I take that as the highest compliment!😄

[@ericaeschenbacher4921]

Beautifully said! Love your work 😻

[@plantgayforlife]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@sherryporsch9349]

Love these deep dive videos. 🫶🏼

[@coldcoffeeballerina]

great video!! i can totally see you and pretty in green doing a deep dive collab in the future :0

[@plantgayforlife]

That would be cool! We’ve talked about that with each other before so ya never know!

[@rafaelfalci]

Hey dude, must say your voice is pure magic. It’s some kind of melatonin for the soul. I just didn’t sleep because the video is great as well. Velvety voice. ❤

[@plantgayforlife]

Thanks! Happy to give the good vibes!

[@nicolekuster6215]

Hi Jake, a plant I have bought as A. crystallinum has closed sinuses on some leaves. I guess it is just highly variable, just as you also said. And: beautiful video! Great job 🙌

[@jayplantman]

could potentially have a distant forgetti ancestor..?

[@smajliiicka]

That crystallinum @5:00 🥰😅😎

[@plantgayforlife]

LOL

[@swat486]

Thanks for the info!! I like the switch up

[@yy7803]

Yes there are a lot of hybrids but...Anthuriums are also known for their variety within a species, so who knows what the 'real' Crystallinum is? I bet that if the Crystallinum that he painted got crossed with itself, it would still have enough variety, one being more silver, one being more dark, more wider, narrower et cetera. Great video!

[@plantgayforlife]

Exactly! In my pinned comment I mention that I personally don’t get this confusion but all the articles out there that talk about crystallinum mention this controversy so I’m just relaying it. But I completely agree! They can vary so much, even leaf to leaf.

[@02Ca09Mh]

i love this series

[@Louis-kw6yk]

Anthuriums have been sooo hybridized, i honestly can't seen to distinguish between most of them

[@plantgayforlife]

Same😂

[@rohitsai2533]

I love this sort of highly researched and deepdived explainer videos mate, its soo fuckinnamazing, thanks for this PGFL ❤❤❤

[@plantgayforlife]

Thank you!

[@lorifenner4048]

I LOVE your videos! 🫡

[@plantgayforlife]

🙏❤️

[@letsclimb5828]

What plant is that at 5:02

[@timmillan6701]

I told my mom it was a false aralia ( back in ‘75)

[@marisakirisame2366]

So there is a good chance the plants labeled as crystallinum aren’t just crystallinum?

[@plantgayforlife]

So it has been claimed

[@timmillan6701]

Please don’t make me start collecting Anthurium, please don’t make me. Please. It’s no use - A. crystallinum, your allure is too strong, what is this magic, siren?

[@plantgayforlife]

😈

[@aplantprocess]

Interesting 🤔

[@hazaubel6532]

as long as she is not a clarinervium 🤮.... learning the history behind houseplants makes me appreciate them even more !

[@plantgayforlife]

WhaChU GoTt aGAinST ClaRInERvIiUUmMMsssSS!!!!????

[@sherryporsch9349]

@@plantgayforlifeLove them! ❤

[@NeilTaylor-u1i]

Closed sinus means fused sinus

[@plantgayforlife]

I’m aware of the confusion, I’m simply using terms that others have used regarding this topic. In many crystallinum articles I’ve read, it is often referred to as a “closed sinus.”

[@ameybhide8525]

A. crystallinum is sympatric with forgetii, so it is the closest relative not papillilaminum.

[@plantgayforlife]

That is completely false. Genetic similarity can only be determined scientifically by analyzing DNA . Not just by looking at regional pinpoints on a map. Living organisms aren’t automatically genetically similar just because they live in certain areas.

[@ameybhide8525]

​@@plantgayforlife there is no phylogenetic data showing close relationship between crystallinum and papillilaminum. If you have data or scientific papers showing this, please do share. Anthurium papillilaminum is closely related and sympatric to A. ochranthum and forms many natural hybrids. In molecular phylogeny A. crystallinum shows close relationship with A. magnificum and besseae aff. Data for A. forgetii was not used in those papers. Also do not use my photo in your video without giving credit.

[@NeilTaylor-u1i]

@@ameybhide8525wow, cool info. Care to share more?

[@natjoy22]

❤

[@trans_plantings]

🤓it’s Latin binomial nomenclature is pronounced An-thu-ri-uum ‘cry-stal-yee-nuum

[@jhndr0nia]

Uhn-thoo-ree-oom

[@MewK_]

I would have been so happy if you would have managed to play the footage from 4:58 at 4:20. Plant joke 🙃

[@Oohkamitama]

I like pronouncing long anthurium names wrong lol like anthurium crystlianinanian, anthurium papilliniuniun etc 🤣

[@plantgayforlife]

Oh of course! Anthurium papinamamamamamaamamaimmamamigmmfim

[@jhndr0nia]

Absolutely disagree regarding the pronunciation. Latin is closely related to other Romance languages so it is very clear that the English pronunciation is wrong

[@plantgayforlife]

It doesn’t matter because Latin and Ancient Greek, the two primary languages used for botanical Latin, are “dead” languages that no one speaks. Botanical Latin is also a written language not a spoken language. It’s a means of classifying living organisms in the plant kingdom, not a language for people to speak. If you look into this you’ll find countless sources that declare no official pronunciation for botanical Latin.

[@_bert]

​@@plantgayforlifelook further and deeper as pronunciation of the Latin language exists, and the English one isn't it.

[@AceOfSpadesX]

​@@_bertExcept we aren't speaking Latin when using binomial nomenclature, rather we are constricting neoclassical compounds in English using Latin or Greek roots. Look into how English pronounces words constructed from other languages and you'll find they aren't pronounced the same as in the original language.

[@maika2964]

This is a discussion that can never be resolved, at least not for my brain which feels like this: The native speakers of the Romance languages don’t and can’t even know if they pronounce it correctly. I am German, and Italian for example has a completely different pronunciation, which I would intuitively put closer to Latin. Although I think at the same time, I find a lot of obvious adaptations from Latin in the English language. “Errare humanum est” is certainly easier to understand for a British speaker than for a German (“Irren ist menschlich “ translated). However, although I see more parallels to the English than to the German language, particularly the vowels are pronounced as if (sometimes randomly?) interchanged. And if you travel to remote places in Scotland or Ireland, I am sometimes not sure they themselves are even able to understand what they are saying. Maybe they go back and forth asking each other “what did you just say? Can you repeat? I don’t understand a single word you’re saying!” Could be anything, maybe even Latin pronounced completely differently …😂. Anyway, nobody knows and no native speaker is still alive to correct us. As it’s no longer used for speaking but for scientific purposes, I absolutely think everyone can pronounce it how it feels right, as long as everyone else understands it. So give it a break and check if one of the plants needs anything. Peace😜

[@LauranceTanza]

Looks like Bok Choy (Asian staple vegetable) to me.

[@1marcelo]

Scientific Latin was chosen to have a uniform pronunciation of species names. You can't pronounce scientific names however you want just because you are American.

[@plantgayforlife]

Latin was chosen because it is the foundation of many European languages, with a broad vocabulary capable of conveying precise meaning when classifying hundreds of thousands of plants. Botanical Latin also incorporates Ancient Greek, like in the name “Anthurium” for example. Latin and the Ancient Greek dialect compared to modern Greek are essential “dead” since no one speaks them anymore. So while researchers can do their best to predict how these languages were properly pronounced, we will never know for sure.

[@1marcelo]

@@plantgayforlife That's not the reason why Latin was chosen. Scientific Latin, including the latinized versions of Greek words are pronounced as they were pronounced in Latin in the 17th and 18th centuries. The ancient pronunciation of these Languages is irrelevant.

[@plantgayforlife]

@@1marcelo​​⁠if the pronunciation of these languages is “irrelevant” then you just proved my point!😂 There is no right or wrong pronunciation of Botanical Latin because it’s a written language, not a spoken language like English. And whatever you’re speaking is not a spoken language either.

[@1marcelo]

@@plantgayforlife That's not at all what I said. I said the ancient pronunciation of these languages, which is apparently important to you and you claim that we don't know, is irrelevant to the modern use because we definitely know how scientific Latin was pronounced in the 18th century. Anyway, google why Latin was chosen as a scientific language and learn something new instead of making things up.

[@plantgayforlife]

@@1marcelo​​⁠or how about you read any of these articles that completely discredit your claims. ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=16927 www.calflora.net/botanicalnames/pronunciation.html www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Pronunciation.htm www.iapt-taxon.org/historic/Congress/IBC_1959/remarks.pdf www.conifers.org/topics/latin.php#:~:text=There%20are%20basically%20only%20two,as%20in%20liturgical%20spoken%20Latin.