This quest is crazier than you think... | Elden Ring

Revisiting a question I've had about the Castle Morne quest and finding out it's CRAZY!
00:00 Intro
00:55 Castle Morne quest
02:25 Edgar the Revenger
04:15 Frenzied Flame
04:40 Shabriri Grape
05:21 What really caused the Misbegotten rebellion?
07:49 Howl of Shabriri

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

What I find peculiar is the spirit in the Morne jail cage. He is afraid he will be eaten by the "hideous mongrels". Firstly, does that mean that Edgar was feeding people to the Misbegotten? Why else would he fear being eaten? The man is of "noble blood", yet he is imprisoned. When we arrive at the castle the Rebellion is still ongoing, yet this man presumably died in the cage, which makes me think he was already imprisoned before the rebellion started. On the other hand could it be that Edgar was a cannibal and he had supplanted the nobleman who previously ruled over Morne? Edgar states that he was appointed by Godrick, and there are raw dumplings in the kitchen of Stormveil Castle. Godrick would not appoint someone benevolent. Maybe Edgar has a taste for raw dumplings because it is served at Stormveil. Cannibalism is not the wost thing happening at Stormveil. Stray thoughts: The Ailing Village and the zombie poison pool seems to indicate to me that Morne was a terrible place to live even before the Misbegotten Rebellion.

[@kitetales]

Oooo that is such a great idea, I wondered about the noble in the cage!! I can totally get behind that, either Edgar or the previous lord of the castle was 100% feeding them to the Misbegotten. What a creepy side note! Great observation.

[@skollrath]

imagine if shabriri's howl aoe was the entire circumference of castle morne 💀

[@kitetales]

It got nerfed for release

[@stephendonovan5056]

And the town just outside of Castle Morne is the first madness town we see. So clearly some presence

[@knotgradaunknown7414]

I was about to say this. the Ailing village is less than a day away from Castile Mourn they could easily infect some of the inhabitants with howls or have rats ''eat" their food supply.

[@ShadowNight808]

I never even considered what could have started the rebellion, but now I have reason to suspect considering there's that village just a stone's throw from Castle Morne that is afflicted with frenzy, like, burning people on a pyre level frenzied and the church there literally has the Flame of Frenzy incantation... which mirrors what the misbegotten have done in the courtyard of Castle Morne with the big ass pyre. There's even a vantage point in the castle, the past where you realize- OH the uprising is ACTIVELY happening- where two misbegotten are ganging up on one of the soldiers on the cliff side that you could see the village from. I was on the fence because I feel like if there'd been more involved with the frenzied flame it would have appeared more in the actual zone via enemies or items, but now that I think about it more the more i think it makes sense. Because Irina being a blind maiden likely put her in the unique position to be a finger maiden for the three fingers, which is the culmination of Hyetta's questline essentially. The theme of Castle Morne and Edgar seems to be revenge: the grafted blade greatsword is a "revengers' weapon" a legendary weapon in the hands of the leonine misbegotten. I feel like if Shabriri were involved it was to push this cycle of revenge. The mistreated misbegotten get their hands on a weapon like that and feel emboldened to finally get revenge on the people that have been putting them down for so long... it seems like the areas around the Leonine are the most calmed and cleaned out areas which might mean that the rebellion started there and spilled out into the main castle. This area is also where the cowering misbegotten are. But anyways- this uprising spurns Edgar to save his daughter and whisk her away. Conveniently despite her guards dying she isn't killed until we free the Castle and Edgar can get away, just in time to see his daughter is dead and in turn making him seek revenge on those that killed her, which drives him to the frenzy flame. So it could be the events in Morne were nudged to get a finger reader for the three fingers, and essentially a pawn to farm Shabriri grapes to feed and further Hyette/Irina to finish her quest?? I have to wonder if Irina even truly died and it was just a look-alike while some weird mind-wipe stuff happened leading to Hyetta. I mean Hyetta already KNOWS the grapes help, so it's likely she's already had some via Edgar.... I don't know where I'm going with this. It's all very off the cuff as I decided to go through the zone and read item descriptions after watching this video. edit: when you give Hyetta the second shabriri grape she mentions the other people who give her grapes "howling" so yeah. I don't think the mention of the howl by Irina too much of a stretch now.

[@kitetales]

Yes a few people have mentioned the frenzied village and I think that definitely places him at having been in the area!

[@Gigawicket]

I did feel the misbegotten rebellion was significant, but oddly timed given the 5-thousand year timeline. Strange to just walk in on.

[@kitetales]

It has a “why now?” feeling to it!

[@Gigawicket]

@kitetales I've always wondered: was something keeping the Tarnished out and stopped, or did something start inviting them in? Marika is obviously still the reigning God and she has such a priority on a sense of purpose, and strength.

[@mateuszsotys3912]

@@Gigawicket Item descriptions in Roundtable suggest that Tarnished have been returning to the Lands Between for a long time. Well, in most cases the word "returning" is rather wrong, most Tarnished we meet are not Godfrey's warriors but their descendants but still, it's been happening for a long time. It's just us who come to the Land Between so late in the timeline.

[@Gigawicket]

@mateuszsotys3912 yeah, that's my point. It's vague.

[@azevol216]

I was more under the persuasion that the tarnished were invited by the greater will, regardless of how long, and if they were descendants or not

[@NoSuchMachine]

I think this makes a LOT of sense, especially since the nearest village is heavily affected by the Frenzied Flame. My best theory about the cannibalism is that the Frenzied Flame seems to be somehow related to burning or melting away all all disparity or differences in the Lands Between. Maybe a side effect of that is people lose their ability to discern values, which would explain why Edgar looses sight of his sense of vengeance, and stops caring about the origin of his meats.

[@kitetales]

Yes! Someone else mentioned there are frenzied soldiers on Gelmir eating people

[@user-if4nx2jn8r]

I think you make good points, though I would personally say Edgar sort of was driven mad by what happened with his daughter, he went from specifically hating the Misbegotten who killed her to just indiscriminate violence, which is usually how the Frenzied Flame seems to work. Most people who become enthralled by it, from the Merchants to characters like Vyke, started off with a specific reason for following it but then get seduced by the wanton destruction that it represents. Even Shabriri may have followed that process.

[@Longknife]

Two details that reinforce this: *There is a maddened village not far from Castle Morne.* This is undoubtedly meant to reinforce the idea that Shabriri has been active in the area. And more importantly... *Shabriri feeding off those in grief is a pattern.* Look at Yura-Eleonora, the Nomadic Merchants, and Vyke and his maiden. Yura very clearly cares for Eleonora in some way, and when his grief and struggles culminate in a loss, SOMEHOW Shabriri emerges with control of his body, much like how Irina's body appears as Hyetta. (it's confirmed btw: data miners have confirmed Irina and Hyetta share identical character models, and iirc Irina dies before Hyetta ever appears) The Nomadic Merchants were likewise falsely accused of crimes they didn't commit (by Shabriri, iirc) and this causes them to call on the Frenzied Flame in their anger and grief. Vyke's storyline is probably actually the MOST telling of this. As a timeline rundown: 1) Vyke encounters Shabriri at the Mountaintop much like we do. 2) Unlike Melina, his maiden is scared and uncertain. 3) Vyke, being a good person, travels below the capitol to stand before the Three Fingers as a means of rescuing his maiden from self-sacrifice 4) Vyke's *armor* is burnt. This is important, especially given the fingerprint patterns align in such a way that suggest he was grabbed from behind, as if he tried to run. 5) We encounter a maddened Vyke not far from his maiden's corpse in a Frenzied town. He drops his own Shabriri grape, AKA one of his eyes 6) The next time we encounter Vyke, he is...sound of mind? He is locked away in a gaol at the ends of the earth, that almost nobody would ever have access to, YEARS after any governing body has dissolved. It is my belief that the Three Fingers attempted to possess him, but this *failed.* It failed because his armor was still on. The main argument for this being the case is that the Three Fingers are INSISTENT we take off our armor before they will touch us, as if to express concern the procedure won't work otherwise. Why behave this way unless they have confirmation of these fears via Vyke...? I also believe Vyke did not kill his maiden in a maddened state, but rather his maiden was killed by Frenzied Flame followers in an effort to INDUCE madness in Vyke. Remember: grief as a connecting element between Vyke, Yura and Edgar makes perfect sense. So if Vyke is an unwilling vessel for the Frenzied Flame, what better way to madden him than to induce grief? Kill the very maiden he was trying to help and that he so cared about. This even kills two birds with one stone: Vyke can no longer ascend without the aid of the Frenzied Flame, and it maddens him. So why do we encounter him sound-of-mind in his gaol...? Well, we witnessed it: because either he or we cut out his eye. Vyke felt himself succumbing and took out the eye that had been burnt by the Frenzied Flame. This enabled him to resist enough that he was sound of mind. It's my belief Vyke then imprisoned *HIMSELF.* He is imprisoned in a gaol where only one of two possibilities are viable: Vyke imprisoned himself, or he failed to defeat that last stand by the Flame Guardians. The Flame Guardian option just feels so....anti-climactic? This dude had TWO Great Runes, and he loses to THEM?? It feels odd. More importantly, if we go with the theory Vyke he lost to the Flame Guardians, this suggests Vyke *remained* possessed by the Frenzied Flame all the way to the end. This undermines the idea that the Three Fingers need us naked to possess us; if Vyke was truly maddened all the way to the Flame Guardians, then they could grab us against our will too, couldn't they? For all we know, the gaol being in what seems to be another dimension might help him resist the call of the Frenzied Flame. Or perhaps, the Frenzied Flame simply gave up when they realized Vyke imprisoned himself and had little hope of escaping, and Vyke simultaneously didn't want to escape because the risk was too great. Either way, it makes sense of the Three Fingers' behavior to assume that Vyke is very willingly locking himself off, in order to avoid a risk that he takes the throne for the Frenzied Flame. All this means that we absolutely have a pattern of grief being a driving force that for whatever reason, Shabriri has some level of power over. The moment someone is suffering from grief, the Frenzied Flame comes knocking. Hyetta "confirms" this as well by saying usually the people who give her grapes sound frail or scared, trembling and "howling wordlessly," which matches Irina alluding to "howling." So yes, you're probably onto something about Shabriri pulling the strings behind the Castle Morne. It matches in terms of vocabulary and theming with the other stories involving Shabriri.

[@amber4305]

Could it be that hyetta burns after we receive our blessing from the three fingers in an attempt to bring grief to us the player and make us mad. Because she says she will take the role as our maiden and then she's dead again.

[@kitetales]

Wow this is VERY well thought out!! I love this idea so much; if I ever do a video on Vyke I’m going to have to feature your amazing theory!

[@cdamxp5831]

Frenzy being the source of the Morne rebellion is a really interesting and very plausible idea. To add to it, the Weeping Peninsula and Castle Morne seem to have a unique connection to the Flame of Frenzy as well. The Morne Moangrave, which serves as the boss arena for the Leonine Misbegotten, seems to be where the Fingerprint Stone Shield originally came from. The Moangrave appears to have the same fingerprint design that is on the shield and the shield appears to be roughly the same size as the hole in the grave. The grave also appears to be surrounded by dead merchants similar to the path to the three fingers, where the shield is found. If this is true, the shields description holds some interesting insight: "Part of the tomb of an ancient god, the Readerless Fingers relayed their message through these imprints, said to be the very seeds from which frenzy first sprouted." This means the Moangrave is the tomb of a dead god related to the Frenzy Flame, the Moangrave was written on by the three fingers themselves, and the Weeping Peninsula/Castle Morne's backyard is the origin of frenzy as a whole. With this in mind, it may even be possible that one of the misbegotten managed to transcribe some of the fragmented messages left by the three fingers and picked up their "everything must burn" ideology. This could also explain why Irina was chosen to be the maiden of the three fingers and why Edgar fell to madness so easily. Who knows how conscious the thing in the tomb is or what effect it may have on people who spend their whole life next to it. Additionally, the Ailing Village is also just outside the castle ramparts. It was likely founded/corrupted due to the proximity of the source of the frenzy flame. Although, it is possible that a misbegotten found their way into the village and was introduced to the Flame of Frenzy that way. This theory is a lot more reasonable, but also way less cool than the Moangrave is the tomb of a god and drove everyone in Morne mad.

[@sandymckinnon9762]

I thought Edgar was collecting or attempting to craft grapes from his victims and the meatballs were the result.

[@kitetales]

YES! I love that; maybe he was trying to farm them for who he thought was his dead daughter come to life…

[@Shad0wmoses]

he's not sure why they rebelled..or perhaps willful ignorance on edgar's part. "yea they had it good here. its clear they had no problems since we had such good service...but i guess they proved their stereotype that they are rotten inside and out"...is kinda what i got from that. at least thats one possibility. either way i never really put much thought into this questline. i just figured the guy went mad searching for his daughter's murderers and ran into the shabriri entity. it would have been cool if the shack was called something else before he invades that spot.

[@Gigawicket]

You are literally the only channel I have notifications for. I love this so much.

[@kitetales]

Awwww you just made my day!! 🥲💙 Thank you so much!!

[@JohnDWJ]

Not clickbaity at all. I see Kitetales Lore, I click. Your style and presentation just gets better and better. Despair leads to the Flame of Frenzy. Wonderfully creepy. And all over the game (I realized on my second play through).

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much, John! I really appreciate the support! 🥲💙

[@JohnDWJ]

@@kitetales I’m glad your channel is on the rise.

[@professorgucho2629]

wow very cool insight into shabriri's plan

[@Radiotomb]

Interesting theory. Never heard anyone else mention it. I can see it being very plausible. Thanks!

[@kitetales]

Thank you! 😊

[@JackisaMimic]

The catch on the Howling is so spot on that I think you have to be correct! One of the most important items in the game is Law of Causality - "All things are linked in a chain of relations". Why this is important is because it tells us as an audience that the events that happen in our story are all directly linked to each other in causal chain, and we know that many of our character are aware of this fact. If we think about Shabriri, he is somehow able to transfer his consciousness into others even after his own death, and this means that his age in unknowable. How many people has he driven to madness, how many rebellions has he orchestrated, how many times has he convinced Oedipus to kill his own father? Put these two pieces together you have a character who potentially knows that how to manipulate the chain of events and has done it many many many times. Excellent video!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! I love your speculation about Shabriri; he really has the potential to have been meddling in affairs for hundreds of years. I might have to go back and think about any possible connections he may have had to other quests now…

[@JackisaMimic]

@@kitetales Time to Ctrl+F "Howling" the entire Elden Ring script lol

[@kitetales]

I’m gonna need a copy of that script now 👀

[@BRUXXUS]

I LOVE this! Something I've never seen or heard anyone talk about, but I think you nailed it! If these events hadn't have happened, Shabriri wouldn't have had Hyetta for the Tarnished to stumble across, and therefore couldn't know about the 3 Fingers and how to melt it all away.... May Chaos Take The World!

[@kitetales]

He needed his blind meat puppet to give step by step instructions!

[@caliaid]

amazing! i had no idea about the revenger’s shack quest! 😮

[@flugga182]

hi, your explanation makes a lot of sense. shabriri involvement would explain why we find a misbegotten weapon nex to to Irina's body. Very odd for a murderer to leave his weapon behind, isn't it. instead, somebody wanted to very obviously make it look like a misbegotten killed irina to drive edgar insane for revange, and succumb to the frenzied flame.

[@kitetales]

!!! I LOVE this idea!! That adds such a sinister element to it and 100% fits the actions of the most evil man. Awesome theory, that’s my cannon now!

[@allthe1]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's the other way around. Someone mentioned in a comment that maybe the Misbegotten rebelled because of the spread of frenzy within their human masters. It's Irina/Hyetta and Edgar that became frienzied, not them. In fact, we never see any Misbegotten being affected by frienzy, even the incantation's descriptions explains only Tarnished are affected by the status buildup. 🤔 So could the Misbegotten be the heroes, saving themselves and all life in the Lands between from annihilation? Or are they just indirect pawns in the Three Fingers' master plan? 🤔🤔

[@Greywander87]

@@allthe1 I don't believe Edgar and Irina are Tarnished, though. I think it only says that because madness only affects player-type enemies. Notably, Madness _does not_ effect Tarnished like Godfrey that aren't modeled as player-type enemies.

[@BRUXXUS]

Oh dang… that’s another layer on top of this to make it so much darker… I think you’re right…. Shabriri is who killed Irina to ensure Edgar would fall to frenzy and Hyetta would arise to be our guide and maiden. 😯

[@fleetstreet11]

Excellent detective work.

[@ozsun9736]

Makes a lot of sense to me, I have always wondered why he dropped that Shabriri grape in the revenger shack! Maybe the raw meat dumplings could contain Misbegotten flesh... And another maybe: It could be that the Misbegotten tried to contain the madness by *un-aliving* everyone, even Irina contracted it

[@allthe1]

Haha maybe you dispatched him too quickly to notice, but he has a couple frenzy incantations up his sleeve. What I hadn't realized is he was the same Edgar as the castellan of Morne. Flew right over my head!

[@allthe1]

Btw I like your idea, the Misbegotten being on a mission AGAINST the frenzy, makes a LOT of sense too, since they represent the prodigality of life, the Crucible, and they wanna preserve the order even if it means their continued suffering they will still be born and live and die instead of just disappearing.

[@kitetales]

Oooo that is a really good twist if the Misbegotten were trying to get rid of the frenzied occupants, and that would line up with their allegiance to Miquella as well. I like it!

[@oopsallluke]

Love this take. Though rather than thinking he was a cannibal and consuming their flesh I took it that their flesh was strewn about from him having harvested their eyes. Something that his born again daughter was asking of him and that he was obliging having gone mad with grief.

[@kitetales]

Love this idea! Eye pack mule for his daughter’s corpse… doesn’t get much darker than that

[@vjcoupe]

OMG the "plot-twist" about the howl, never noticed it. Great video, thanks!

[@kitetales]

Thanks so much!!

[@victorchen5663]

I thought it was clear that the shabriri grape is Edgar's own eye. You fed Hyetta/Irina her own father's eye.

[@kitetales]

That’s a family heirloom I won’t be trying any time soon 🤢

[@Ormland]

Edgar might have been farming the bodies for their eyeballs to create Shabriri grapes and the meat was essentially just leftovers from the carnage.

[@RyeBreadGangster]

Also worth noting the frenzied village not so far away. Honestly this makes sense.

[@wraithwrecker_]

Wild theory. I think I buy it. Really loved the video. Your presentation and editing styles are always so enjoyable.

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much, I appreciate that! 💙😊

[@jdsestito4166]

Another knockout, never looked at the Castle Morne quest in this light! Can’t wait for the next one!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much, so happy you enjoyed it!!

[@vankakt]

I never looked at it all that way, it makes more sense given that typically misbegotten don't fight they hide or defend themselves. Also a question that I've been having for a longer time but can't wrap my head around is: who is Hayyeta? Whe at the end of her quest after being burned does she change into the frenzied flame seal? My thoughts were that if Sahbriri is a demon messenger of the Flame of Frenzy then she could also be an instrument of chaos but not much more comes to me. That might be a good idea for a video to investigate her story more 😁

[@dyelahn1392]

I refreshed my feed 3 times and this kept popping up at the top. Fiiiine I’ll watch it 😝

[@kitetales]

Hey KZbin actually featuring me?! I made them happy somehow 😅

[@Dojhit]

Great video! Your theory makes a ton of sense. I never noticed that he had a Franzied Flame Seal which really ties his madness into the storyline.

[@kitetales]

Thank you!! 😊

[@CreatMind]

I think the howling could be related to the Leonine Misbegotten. Their red hair links them to Radagon, as do their file name of Bastard Son of Radagon or something like that lol To me it's like this misbegotten royalty came to Morne to claim a Champion's Weapon, and in doing so incited the whole rebellion. I think most of them hold a Legendary Armament for the Achivement. I don't think there's anything on Morne that points to madness, no mad misbegotten or any yellow stuff... Without the Shabriri twist, Edgar simply fell into despair and went mad with Frenzy. I never saw those misbegotten corpses by the shack! What direction are they from the house?? Now that makes so much more sense! I always find it odd that i simply stumbled onto Edgar's Caveman shack just out of the blue, i must have always approached it the wrong way!

[@kitetales]

The bodies are south of the shack! There are 3 or 4 in total

[@CreatMind]

@@kitetales thank you! I just saw them! Can you believe I have 382 hrs ingame and I had never seen them? Lol it seems I would always approach the shack from the north or the south, but never from the lake proper. Cool detail! I mean, at least it shows that Edgar is indeed killing the misbegotten, without those corpses the whole invasion felt even more out of place

[@knife_em0ji]

This was great! I never really put much thought into this quest line before, but this makes a lot of sense. You mentioned being interested in true crime and I just gotta say that if you ever decided to make TC videos I would be so here for it.

[@DevelopmentRobco]

If you go left across from the merchant before going straight towards the castle in the weeping peninsula, the entire forest has frenzied rats and nobles.

[@kitetales]

Oh my gosh yes!! You’re right I totally forgot that!! That is amazing; I always wondered about the frenzied village and what it meant. Totally proof of him being in that area!!

[@counterreaction]

She strikes again. when she said "Questionnn" I died 😭I can't lol However, Great Video! Poor Edgar though lol

[@kitetales]

Uh oh did a twang accent come through with what I said?! 😆

[@counterreaction]

@@kitetales lol no twang, it was just nuanced and so adorable. I think I am part of a small percentage of males that have an affinity for "cuteness" but also get overwhelmed by it fairly easily 😭tis all.

[@kitetales]

Hey that is a good problem to have!! 🥲❤️

[@counterreaction]

@@kitetales I would say so, but it saddens me when it cannot be channeled through the expression of affection 😩I shall live though lol but again thank you for the interesting video. Im on ng+3 so Edgars quest got skipped on my last 2 playthroughs, well not skipped per say, he met his end a tad sooner than he expected lol

[@mohammedrazaesmail6934]

You never disappoint… I swear you and Vaati are the only channels I trust with elden ring lore

[@kitetales]

The highest compliment ever!! 🥲💙 Thank you so much

[@captainlovebug]

I had never even considered this! It does all make so much sense though. Bravo!😊

[@kitetales]

Thank you!! 😊

[@baylego]

I always thought that irine being Hyetta was kinda obvious, just like shabriri did with Yura, after all you can't even begin her quest before Irine dies. Edgar being a cannibal is just a neat way to show that he's gone mad, is not that important tbh Also, howl dosent necessarily mean a wolf's cry, just a pained scream, which could had been anything

[@Drake1626]

Headcannon accepted! One of those bits where I knew all the individual pieces but never pieced it together. Well done, as always.

[@DemonKingHiei]

When I looted the meat dumplings off the revenger shack, I thought nothing of it. Now I’m getting a “those who know” feeling cuz gawd that’s disturbing. Nice video by the way. Loved ur last video and subbed. I like elden ring lore and story videos

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 😊

[@DemonKingHiei]

@@kitetales can’t wait to see what’s next. Do you plan on doing stellar blade content? It does seem to be a inspired souls like game

[@mpeacraft8585]

Amazing! That’s how I interpreted Edgar’s behaviour as well. On a different note, how can people contact you for voice overs? I love your speaking voice 😊

[@kitetales]

Oh my gosh I would love to work with you!! Just shoot me an email at “kitetalesemail@gmail” 😊

[@mpeacraft8585]

@@kitetalesWonderful! I’ll reach out to you!

[@magolor7856]

Castle Morne is not far from the Ailing Village which is full of frenzied individuals. Shabriri and the flame of frenzy have strong roots in Liurnia and the Weeping Peninsula.

[@demiboi0315]

It makes sense that they became cannibal after going frenzied. Shabriri grapes are human eyes. So Hyetta, to some degree, is a cannibal.

[@brentpheto7933]

I believe (no proof) that he was trying to form more “grapes” out of them. If it was just meat from dead bodies, they could have used any of the meat items, but they used the only round meat item.

[@kitetales]

I love this idea!

[@TheMemoman]

Defo cannibal. I'm onboard with this 100%. That fly sound effect was so unfair to get caught by while listening to this video on headphones. Truly skin-crawling! There are some points still to unweave that seem very interesting to me: 1. Exactly how did Shabriri spark the rebellion, through whom. 2. How did Shabriri's spirit/influence moved from Edgar onto Irina/Hyetta Why might never know the answers to these questions.

[@Maitreya0208]

I spent much of this video going “”Meh, yeah, I dunno, not feeling it” until you got around to the Shabriri tie-in. Then I was all “This lady knows things!” Nice work. Sub.

[@BWill985]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Shabriri is playing 4-D level chess and caused the rebellion at Castle Morne. I think Shabriri simply takes advantage of people who are at their breaking point. If you follow Yura's questline, by the end of his storyline he dies a broken man because Eleonora couldn't be saved from her bloodlust. The historic Tarnished, Vyke, gets afflicted with the Flame of Frenzy because he is so unwilling to sacrifice his Finger Maiden to burn the Erdtree. Through Yura, he tries desperately to persuade us to "save our finger maiden," and by that point, mechanically we're at the point of the game where we're at the most difficult, so he's hoping that our player character is at their breaking point. It's such a deep story both from the writing perspective, as well as from a mechanical perspective. All of this is to say, I appreciate your video, it's always fun to see peoples' different perspectives on the same story!!!!

[@andorrasrevenge1683]

You do the best videos!

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@joels5150]

I’ve assumed the bodies at the Revenger Shack had been killed by the Misbegotten in the area, who were in turn killed by Edgar 🤷‍♀️ It’s tricky to figure out timelines within the current storyline, since there’s nothing explicit about any passage of time between when you encounter characters in one location between the next time you see them. So we can’t know how long the bodies in the shack had been rotting compared to how long ago Edgar arrived there.

[@kitetales]

Yeah that could be! He just shouldn’t have picked up all of that meat 😆

[@thinkbolt]

Very entertaining!

[@leatmoaf7889]

Sweet video!

[@snappers]

It took you 10 minutes to fully convince me you've nailed this right on the head. Which I appreciate very much as it gives me more appreciation and purpose for these areas in the map and the characters. Had my hands on my head the moment you mentioned Shabriri. Awesome way of going beyond the surface and really curating a fantastic narrative. Appreciate your work!

[@SixBeark]

You can find a copy of the Butchering Blade on the tables in castle mourne, the giant human meat axe Anastasia the Tarnished eater attacks us with.

[@kitetales]

Oh no way! I didn’t catch that

[@SixBeark]

@@kitetales there's one right when you go up the ladder and then get charged by the misbegotten. The blade is on the table to the left.

[@epicureanmaster]

This is a brilliant theory, and one that i think really closes the loop on what i thought were two separate, but loosely related plots! The whole howl connection really brings meaning and context to what i also initially thought was a one off side quest, but honestly ties so neatly with hyetta, irina, and yura: why yura was so close to the weeping peninsula to begin with, why the castle morne rebellion took place, it fleshes out and presents a plausible theory as to why edgar fell to madness, and also how shabriri manipulated things so that the lord of frenzied flames could even be possible! Bravo, well done! Now to tie it in to the Melina=gloam-eyed queen...(kidding 😅)

[@kitetales]

Thank you so much!! 😊 I really want to believe this is the case; it just makes the quest that much more impactful!

[@jakewu8268]

It’s great to see a new Elden Ring upload Kitetales!

[@kitetales]

It's great to see YOU!!!

[@apfelnudel]

Hey Kite, pls do a new SotF Lore Explanation Video after the 1.0 Update with all the New Story Details. Your Video about The Forest 1 was incredible!

[@kitetales]

Aww thanks so much!! Oo I didn’t even know there was an update out!! Thanks so much I have to check that out now

[@apfelnudel]

@@kitetales thanks for your fast answer! (im german, sry for bad english btw). Forest 2 did a 1.0 Update many Weeks ago, i test it Out atm and they changed many things, alot more Lore to explore, Caves Extended and keep up to the first one in Desing now, voice Lines, Artifact Pieces... many new Stuff i not want to Spoiler. Your Story Video of Forest 1 was the best on KZbin. I really want to see a new Lore Video of the finished Version of Forest 2 from you again

[@sk8legendz]

I mean he could have gone mad like Radahn did from Rot and was eating people But holy heck what a conclusion for the Howl. It does fit logically.

[@bennettryynanen3770]

At this point, I've started to associate KiteTales' voice and Elden Ring together. If there were an Elden Ring audiobook, this is how I'd want it to sound

[@kitetales]

Best compliment ever! I can at least do the USA version! 😆

[@bennettryynanen3770]

@@kitetales you would make a really good voice actor 🙂

[@m33tballa]

I always wondered why the hell is castle Morne "recently" manned and functioning while the rest of the land is insane and post apocalyptic. Same with that Kenneth hait dude or wtvr, the guy controls a fief / castle with a single denizen. It's absurd I don't understand

[@joeknight2689]

Hey, you’re really on to something!

[@taymangaming]

The bodies of the people he is eating look....different.

[@petespeedsxp4967]

I don't know if someone already commented on this. But there is a strange connection between hyetta and irina. It seems they are the same person and the corpse left for edgar to find is a look-a-like to drive him mad. even found the old video explaining this with the varre questline (you can kill hyetta or irina for the maiden blood but not irinas corpse.) also the sword being placed next to her seems like its all staged. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqmse2ltiaqYsK8si=klBtyXAIugw1PIJ6 this goes really well with your "frenzied flame coup" theory.

[@guilhermemartins7373]

It all really goes back to the law of causality, maybe shabriri was much more than a crazy and evil man, he clearly is extremelly smart and very manipulative, maybe he is closer to a lord or a god not unlike Marika and Radagon, as he clearly uses the universal laws too to his advantage, and the law of regression could also aplly to the frenzy, as with the erdtree all things should go back from where they came from, and so does the flame of frenzy.

[@TheKotor2309]

Edgar was a coward, just hanging back in the ramparts. He could have at least sacked up like Ostrava and joined us in patrolling the grounds. The only good thing about his questline is that he gets to despair at Irina’s fate.

[@kitetales]

Right?! The man could clearly fight once you get to duel him, but he just didn’t show up for his soldiers.

[@BerrianPaleblood]

You can summon him for the Leonine Misbegotten boss. His sign is right outside the boss arena.

[@bazookaace]

Are we not all but human 😢

[@WaynesWorld12]

Kite❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ its been awhile good to see you !

[@kitetales]

Hi!!!! 💙💙💙💙💙

[@kr1spness]

I don't think Edgar was a cannibal, I think he was blinded by shabriri and eats the meat he finds.

[@kitetales]

So accidental cannibal!

[@Alchimex_]

I need a clear cut answer: Are Irina and Hyetta the same person? I've tried to look it up but have never gotten the answer. They look the same, same voice, both blind, and Hyetta appears after Irina dies. Also, what is the lore around Irina and Hyetta? Why does she travel looking for shabriri grapes after her "death"?

[@davidlow862]

She has the BEST voice :)

[@PhalisoBringerOfDoom]

More confirmation that the frenzied flame ending is the good ending

[@kitetales]

The man knew that sometimes forests need to be burnt down to grow back healthier

[@BRUXXUS]

As bleak as it is… I kind of think frenzy flame is the best end. I do wonder if it affect the whole world, or just the lands between, though. However, I have a theory the Lands Between are a space between life and death. We know the tarnished are sent there when they die in the “real world”. I think the shadow realm in the DLC is the proper destination for those who die, but Marika twisted the rules to keep people stuck in the lands between permanently…

[@shahriar_wayne]

great theory I'll buy it

[@kitetales]

Best I can do is 5 bucks

[@crayon151]

"wendigo psychosis", "Kuru" or laughing sickness. Cannibalism has a direct link to psychosis. I'm surprised that I'm not seeing this brought up? The link between the frenzied flame and cannibalism is pretty cool though, i think it's intentional and probably worth looking into.

[@ozsun9736]

That makes a lot of sense, there is even more evidence for there to be cannibalism present at castle Morne (mourn), I quote "... Please, help me. I'm of noble blood. If those hideous mongrels eat me, I'll be forever marred... Anything but that, please! Think of the disgrace!" I always assumed the beastly Misbegotten would eat the people, but the frenzied Townspeople could be driven so far, Hyetta also partakes in a form of cannibalism with the consumption of afflicted, human eyes.

[@albertmunozjimenez2776]

U are the goat

[@allthe1]

I'm a 100% on board of the crazy train of this theory! The promo material for Eden Ring insists a lot on the madness that took the Lands, and Morne as a minor dungeon of the area stands out as very lore heavy. And yeah, Edgar's totally a cannibal 😅

[@kitetales]

He’s just gotta be!! 🍝

[@allthe1]

Either that or he's a dark twin to Boggart and just had the culinary passion to make the best meat dumplings 😆

[@kitetales]

Our very own Sweeney Todd!

[@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg]

I'll never forget the shivers down my spine when I've met Irina's Corpse calling herself Hyetta; Amazing catch on the Howling to conect with Shabriri, I've been hunting his ghost in limbgrave for the past year in game to see If he had something todo with it. The only thing that I have no clue about is Why he took Yura's body; I get that Shabriri is following us and that he probably takes our corpse from the Giant's Caldron to make his ending happens, but Why Yura if he could take anyone's body? I get that Game Design is a thing and stuff, but still

[@LordMogatron]

This is a big reach, but maybe the raw meat dumplings were failed attempts of making or harvesting shabriri grapes. If Edgar had come across Hayetta, clearly he would want to do whatever he could in order to help her, which would explain why he has them.

[@kitetales]

Love this theory! He got turned into a eyeball farmer

[@m33tballa]

Careful now... I subbed cos ur not a thirst trap, now u have a self portrait in the thumbnail.. slippery slope 😮😂

[@kitetales]

Hey don’t worry, at least I won’t sell photos of my feet for $5 a month! 😆

[@TankorSmash]

Those army camps with the frenzied troops also go full cannibal, so there is a connection for sure. Great video

[@kitetales]

Thank you! I TOTALLY forgot about them-- YES!! So I was right!! Relief... I don't have to apologize for uploading incorrect info haha

[@Obiwancolenobi]

Kite! Long time fan Just curious did your duoship end with that gentleman? Not that its our business, just curious due to the content!

[@kitetales]

Hi!! No that’s my hubz; but after realizing KZbin hates variety content I’m just soloing it for videos now 😔

[@Obiwancolenobi]

@kitetales I thought so! That's such a huge bummer!! LOVED your old pie/identity video. :) You're a lovely person and thank you for your art.

[@kitetales]

Awww thank you so much, that is so sweet of you and I really appreciate that! ❤️

[@Vorador-8]

What di the misbegotten eat? could the dumplings be bait?

[@kitetales]

That’s a good theory! I’m not sure if they ate humans though?!

[@malikshabazz2065]

great video! :-)

[@kitetales]

Thank you! 💙

[@pwnyboy9714]

The only reason this doesnt work for me is because none of the servants are Frenzied. They all seem to be in complete cognitive control and we see Frenzied creatures in the game with Yellow Fire in their eyes. A fantastic theory though.

[@briandhackney]

so is Shabriri in Irina's body and calling himself Hyetta like when he took over Yura's dead body?

[@kitetales]

Very possibly!! Seems to have the ability to reanimate any corpse

[@craig5322]

Audrey Hepburn!❤

[@kitetales]

That is the BEST compliment ever you have no idea!! 🥲❤️

[@MrRivech]

"He might not be a cannibal, but I am. For every person he doesn't eat, I'll eat 3." - Smough

[@kitetales]

That’s a diet I won’t be trying!

[@ignatiustenebris6743]

Makes perfect sense to me. Considering that frenzied soldiers are found cannibalizing their fallen in a mournful trance. If Edgar was afflicted by Shabriri’s madness, he might have begun eating his falling men to meld their spirits and his. And the blending of his love and hate could have lead him to bring back his daughter through some grim ritual.

[@daD3ATHBR1NG3R]

The Frenzied Flame is sooo fun to unpack. I’m blanking on the video I saw, but it sorta redefined the Frenzy Flame conceptually as “being defiant towards/going mad from the sheer injustice of the world”. It sounds complicated, but the vid talked about how there really isn’t TRUE justice in how life actually works in the grand scheme of things, and made the dark but true example that for every kid that’s ever been killed or worse, do they the kid, get to experience any form of “justice” themselves, firsthand, for the harm and horror being inflicted on them? The short answer? No. No, their experience is awful, painful, and a terrible way to go out. People suffer horrible fates they don’t deserve. The world is unjust. Now expand that idea to mass tragedies. In-game, the tragedy with the traveling merchants is also about a completely unjust discrimination that could be likened to what Jewish people experienced during the holocaust. Both mass tragedies that caused innumerable deaths and immeasurable suffering. And why? Rampant, unjust, unnecessary ignorance and discrimination. Let’s face it, the world isn’t perfect. But that’s the whole point of the Frenzied flame quests; Irina is an innocent blind woman who is needlessly murdered. The Misbegotten are all a race of beings that are subjected to a life of slavery just due to birth defects. The Misbegotten at Castle Morne? They rebelled, justly. And what came of it? More injustice. Irina’s father only sought to fulfill his duty when he stayed to defend the castle, but how “did fate reward him”? Irina dies. …But then comes back to life… …But something is off… Things begin to spiral in her questline. We find corpses of people going so crazy with chaos that they literally pull out their own eyes. What do we do? Oh we just FEED THEM to the reanimated blind girl. Yura dies in an unrelated fight. His corpse gets possessed!!! But what does Shabriri offer? “Justice”. “Oh you don’t want to burn Melina, so just offer yourself instead!” Even when Melina begs you to reconsider multiple times, it’s not enough. She tells you that the world, even with all its imperfections, is still beautiful. There is still life, there are still births. But you burn it all. The whole fucking world. Literally. But it’s not even you. Your head exploded. You even saw it. And then outer god of chaos/Frenzy Flame/ Shabriri comes in and possesses you! You were used! The point is that the mindset of the outer god of Chaos can be seen in the background story of Shabriri himself. He told a lie about the merchants, just so he could cause as much suffering as possible. He gets his eyes gouged out as punishment when it’s realized that he lied. And he smiles. Shabriri, the Frenzy Flame, whatever “it” is. It’s like the devil. It tempts with lies. It urges you to be hateful. To be hurtful. To harm. To give into that… madness It’s to be like Hitler or the original version of Shabriri. To lie and manipulate knowing it will kill thousands of innocent people. It’s to be like Edgar in his blind cannibalistic rage, Ted Kaczynszki in his cold calculated one, or Ted Bundy in his psychotic combination of both. To kill in the name of rage, revenge, hatred, insanity... or thrill. And then to spiral even further. Edgar wasn’t the only one. Remember the frenzied soldiers on Mt. Gelmir? Went so mad on the front lines that they too turned to cannibalism. The merchants summoning the 3 fingers BECAUSE they were wrongly accused. Their eyes all burn with the SAME yellow flame. Irina being born blind, dying a terrible death, then being reanimated and possessed so she can eat eyes and profess the gospel of the three fingers until she literally MELTS. Fuck man. This world IS chaos. This life IS unfair. So… do you accept it? Still live it to its fullest? Or reject it? Make your choice, but know, the greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist. And if God made us in his image, maybe that’s why life is imperfect. And maybe God is imperfect too.

[@EM-bz1rn]

Perhaps the meat is from the rotting bodies that were placed as bate for misbegotten through the smell?

[@lucasgonzalezrivas4661]

I think Edgar was trying to get stronger. The other characters that eat and drop raw meat dumplings are the jars. I think there’s a connection there! I really appreciate this video!

[@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg]

Also, who the fuck is Hyetta? Is she a Maiden spirit being corrupted by shabriri incarnated in Irina's body? Is she Shabriri as well?! wtf is happening there?!!!!!!!

[@hinanoor5263]

Most cute girl with most cute voice is back

[@kitetales]

Aww thank you, angel! 💙

[@hinanoor5263]

@@kitetales Pleasure is all mine Angel ❤️❤️

[@jamesarthurkimbell]

The way the Misbegotten attack with cleaver-like weapons, squishing against the dead, definitely suggests a certain butchery. And maybe Edgar was affected by having that all around. And maybe "cannibalism" doesn't mean as much in a world where species lines are blurred: everyone shared the same origin from the same Crucible, everyone shares the same rebirth through the same Erdtree, everyone has the potential for horns or wings or tails...

[@deaconstj19]

Did she broke up with her boyfriend?

[@kitetales]

He’s my husband but no we’re not broken up 😆

[@lookhowshegobbledthat]

Lore muva!

[@DevelopmentRobco]

If you go left across from the merchant before going straight towards the castle in the weeping peninsula, the entire forest has frenzied rats and nobles.