This Siphon Works But not for Long

This is the last update on the silly siphon. I install the foot valve and the ball valve to get the unit primed with water. After much work I managed to get some water out the top but the best results were only a little over 35 seconds. I am comfortable saying that this siphon idea is busted.
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[@DianaPrince-m3j]

the concept works. As a youth I worked on an arizona farm where irrigation water flowed through open concrete canals for waterings the ranches. We used heavy rubber pipes about 5 feet long, that naturally curved because they came on huge spools, and 4 in diameter. To get the water flowing, you thrust one end of the pipe into the water and as far as you could, then immediately cap your hand over the top of the pipe and draw the pipe up but not out of the water. Its sorta like sucking on a straw, but instead you just stop the water from running out the bottom by caping your hand over the top. When this is done fast enough, you cause a flow of water that flows up and over the edge of the canal and onto the rows of crops. The flowing water in the canal has a lot to do with the physics. We would do hundreds in a couple of hours. The competition was who could get the water flowing with the least amount of strokes.

[@RA-rf4nz]

My grandfather used the exact same technique out in a cabbage field and tried to teach me how to do it when I was 5 or 6 yo back in 1960's. I could not do it be he could do it with about 3 or 4 strokes. As I can recall the curved pipe was about a 1 inch diameter (maybe it was 1.5 in?) and about 4 ft long.

[@edwardabraham1911]

Your problem is you have air getting in and losing suction!

[@ThereYouAreT1]

Exactly

[@faletiute]

thank you for trying out, it was lovely to watch and learn. To be logic, the pressure chamber shall be 1/2 the length of the water chamber so that the pressure build inside the pressure chamber is proportional to the length of the water chamber * 0.5, and the height of the outlet pipe should not exceed the height that it will build a gravitational pressure that equal or close to the pressure builds inside the pressure chamber, otherwise both the pressure inside the pressure chamber + the weight of water at the top half of the water chamber will be lower, but it should be higher in order for that kind of system to work. anyway, thanks again for the video

[@georgemaze7926]

Your the best, thanks for making this video. Don't never get up.

[@Tanya-LeeLetourneau]

No glue on the joints will allow air in the system. Hence why iys not working. It has to be air toght. Not only that you have no air pressure in the "pressure" tank. Also should have left the spring in the check valve.

[@scamchan]

So are all the joined sealed or just stuck together and maybe that helps it lose pressure.

[@ttfweb1]

With the outlet much higher than the intake, input and output volumes the same - no matter what gyrations occur in closed system in between, it ain’t gonna work. Nice video.

[@yeroxa]

Thx for experimental video. Moscow watching!

[@pappaG2000]

Did you glue the fittings together? Air leaks causes siphons to stop. All siphons work, we use them in civil engineering everyday without issues when the seals are properly made.

[@preciouspetal7974]

Your pieces obviously aren't glued together well for a piece to fall off. They said that if the seal is not good then air can escape and it reduces the pressure so it won't work. That's why they glue both sides of each piece before putting them together (to ensure an air-tight seal). He also gave it a much bigger plunge into the water than what you've done, including turning it on it's side to get a larger plunge. Sorry.. I wouldn't call this debunked while you have pieces that don't have a good seal on them and haven't done the large plunges needed to get the siphon started.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Which part of perpetual motion machines are impossible is hard for you to understand?

[@colorfulstring]

Here's another idiot who doesn't think that a pump that raises the head without power violates the first law of thermodynamics.

[@Pitoumotorsport]

@@blaster-zy7xx je crois que c'est un imbécile.....

[@edschultheis9537]

The only reason why any water is running out of the outlet is because you are putting work (pumping energy) into the system by shaking the one-way valve at the input pipe. That energy is further stored in the large capped-off tube as increased air pressure (above atmospheric pressure). This is potential energy. When the outlet valve is opened, the small amount of stored potential energy in the slightly-pressurized capped-off tube pushes the water through the valve and out of the outlet tube. Once the air pressure in the capped-off tube reaches atmospheric pressure (in a few seconds), the water flow stops. There is no magic perpetual motion going on here. Ed Schultheis, PE Licensed professional mechanical engineer Mechanical design engineer and manufacturing consultant for 35 years Schultek Engineering & Technology, Inc.

[@CC_2000-z5t]

The guy laid his flat to fill whereas you are keeping it vertical the whole time. Could that be a factor?

[@MrLarryHolden]

I would be very interested in a 55 gal drum siphon from a pond to provide delivery water to one of your ram pumps

[@GadsdenLiveDotCom]

You invested considerable amount of time money and effort to debunk this. THANK YOU!!!

[@JenkinsUSA]

The exit needs to be lower than the source. In fact it can be done with a standard hose. Let gravity do the job. Not even physics 101 more like physics 001.

[@kw57rx8dr.9]

Not DEBUNKED!! You're supposed to leave the check valve underwater on priming, I guess you finally realized that blunder but from that point forward it seems you're clueless about the concept in that case. Water can not fill the pressure tank completely EVER, because the air is trapped above it with no escape unless you didn't glue it in which case it can leak around the contact point of the pipe but you DO need to use much longer priming strokes than those quick little strokes you're using so that you get enough water past the check valve for it to build up and not 2 hours time later. Which, btw they make weighted check valves that do not have a spring in them. When you raise the pump up higher you also increased the distance the water has to go to begin the pumping action but yet your tiny little strokes are not filling the pump properly or giving the water enough momentum, you should have opened the valve completely, immediately so that the water could completely fill the influent pipe and not slowly like you did, you interrupted the water's ability to flow up the pipe from the pond so it never pulled full prime while the pressure inside the pump was at maximum and so far YOU have been the problem not the pump, this is NOT perpetual motion, it's a siphon effect which is something altogether different..

[@randypratt2887]

But if it works it could be used as a circulating source of power portable power anywhere so show me 😁

[@jjanvier1443]

the guy is clueless and not an engineer.

[@kw57rx8dr.9]

Sadly he doesn't have to be an engineer to make it work, just know something about water hydraulics and siphons.@@jjanvier1443

[@1islam1]

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[@joseantoniocoarasaperez5217]

Oh man! You could be rich! Unless people know physics! Wait there’s people out there who not know know physics, they also have common sense and try things out!

[@alloydog613]

Damn! I saw the video you mentioned and thought, "I'll watch that. It's just what I need at the cabin!" Then I saw your video. Back to carrying buckets from the river, then.

[@LandtoHouse]

If you have head pressure or water drop definitely check out the ram pump.

[@fairryalp.-de5qb]

DO NOT WATCH his video because he made several serious serious errors just by filling the pipes with water which he didn't do it right. The problem that he doesn't know what suppose to do himself.

[@fairryalp.-de5qb]

​@@LandtoHouseit seems like you didn't get the pipes filled with water. You suppose to PUSH the pipe UP and DOWN (pumping motion) to pump water into all pipe. SHAKING the end of the pipe like rattle snake won't work. This works similar to RAM PUMP but simpler and pumping more water. I've seen videos of your ram pump system.

[@darkwarrior1588]

as i said in the previous video, the guy does perpetual energy videos. theyre an artist at concealment and misdirection. i would say his system had a rubber coupling under the water, he uses the pump to stir muck and cloud to hid the pump. then he sticks the end in the coupling and acts as if the pvc is doing it. the flow rate just doesnt make sense.

[@buggsy5]

Yep. The fraudster's only purpose is to gull the gullible into clicking on his fake devices. There are many other such frauds out there.

[@ernestoortiz6489]

If you didn't use PVC glue the joints will leak air. I think it needs to be air tight to make and maintain pressure.🤔

[@smartwatchonpluto]

it needs to be air tight, but he should use a hand pump to start the siphon, or a hose at the end to change the elevation, like when you siphon gas from a car, will it be like a pressure washer? of course not

[@ilocanodetoy2225]

The pressure chamber might need to be taller than the inlet and or the outlet to be able to push down water using gravityand and air pressure and might need a little vacuum pressure to keep going.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Which part of perpetual motion machines are impossible is hard for you to understand?

[@ACR_BOX]

@@blaster-zy7xx The motion comes from the current, waves or tide.. It is pressure buildup followed by vacuum suction. That mean leakage is a big thing to make it right. Another is the volume and the length. This is equal in length but reduced in pipe size. That means you can not produce the pressure/vacuum you need... So size matters and in a pressure/vacuum system, it needs to be consistent and without much leakage... Keep in mind that it is based on NATURAL pressure, that means limited pressure. That means limited distance and limited volume... This means standing or low flowing water will always run out of pressure. If you do it in a river and/or canal it is more effective. If you ad a floater with weights to the part that is in the channel, the movement of current, wave and tide will build up natural pressure. It is a very old, thousands years old and proven concept that works.. Look at history about: Bamboo piping & pumps + water elevation systems ect ect.

[@mohamedyoussef1816]

لقد أخطأ فى التصميم

[@mohamedyoussef1816]

انا صنعت تصميم ناجح وفعال جدا.

[@Schneiw]

Plot twist: The guy you speak of owns a PVC pipe manufacturer, trying to get those sales up :P

[@LandtoHouse]

Haha I would not be surprised!

[@lezbriddon]

more validity in that idea than any of the uphill syphon videos, its the latest version of perpetual motion for view count

[@jllaine]

too cool, results as expected.

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes just as expected!

[@darrenhosking6179]

I agree there's a number things you must get absolutely right , priming , then vacuum, and suction will continue.

[@khalilbouhmouch4437]

The reason it doesn't work is because the level of your outlet should be lower than the level of your source water, your design suggests that you could flow water upward which is not possible. Try using the same pipe that you're using for the intake in your outlet. For starting your siphon, it should be completely filled with water before opening the outlet valve. In your case I think the easiest way is to open the outlet valve, put the whole thing inside the water to fill it, close the outlet, put everything in place, and then let the siphon flow indefinitely. Good luck :)

[@LandtoHouse]

The original video here on youtube had a guy flowing tremendous water out from just shaking the system into the water. I wanted to prove it wrong.

[@buggsy5]

Yep. Such videos are faked. It would be a perpetual motion machine if it actually worked. There would be nothing to keep you from piping the output water back to the input pool and just keep recirculating the same water. There are thousands of such fake videos out there.

[@kw57rx8dr.9]

You can too flow water upwards but only once a good prime is established which this never was, this was all user error.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

No, you can’t flow water uphill t an outlet higher than the intake without additional power. The other videos showing this are hoaxes.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

@@kw57rx8dr.9 Did you delete your recent reply to me? I hope that you realized your error. Yes you can siphon liquid up into a siphon tube and down the other side, but the key is that THE OUTLET MUST BE LOWER THAN THE INTAKE! That is how a siphon works. You can not siphon from a lower level to a higher level any more than you can make a ramp and have water spontaneously run uphill with no external power. The claim of this "siphon" moving water from the level of the pond to an outlet higher than the surface level of the pond is a scam. It's simple physics.

[@vidlubin5748]

I knew this wouldn't work. These guys are scammers 😂

[@southidahostem1684]

I wonder if you first submerged the entire apparatus and manouver it about to get the air completely out of the system and then set it

[@bensprinks]

Dude, it's not perpetual motion. The flow pressure lifts the water. Only works in flowing water.

[@lannyplans]

Like a ram pump?

[@garyharter2304]

Did you debunk this or did you not really seal the joints allowing air to leak in therefore water falling back out?

[@ThereYouAreT1]

The pieces were even falling apart as he shook it 😂😂

[@zwuck8151]

Thanks for telling true words

[@jojomercado-j5l]

the valve deep down the water should be light to open easily when the water start to siphon up

[@MohammedThiabmvc000]

May I suggest you make the syphon longer in height to be higher than the rest of the system. This may solve the mystery

[@JenkinsUSA]

@1:34 I don’t think I’m going to glue this valve on so I can return it as we all know free energy machines don’t work. The only constant flow is pocket money from trying these ridiculous hyped up contraptions. 🎈toodaloo

[@fairryalp.-de5qb]

For testing, I don't think you need or want to glue permanently. But DOING IT RIGHT is the must. 🔸100% air tight, not a tiny leakage. It's the most important part 🔸 All pipes (especially the intake and the MAIN PIPES) must be filled with water for it to generate vacuum. This video FAILED this part so it won't work. The same guy who designed the DRUM PUMP and this PVC PUMP has another version (design) which he has the *_Schrade Valve_* so he can pump air into the pipes to create pressure to start the system. Without manually pumping air into the pipe, then you'll need to fill the pipes with water for it to generate vacuum.

[@agung_id1588]

Terimakasih 🙏👍 Karena sudah mempraktekkan, dan ternyata gagal 🙏👍

[@Primer595]

I think the exit pipe needs to be lower than the two vertical pressure tanks. If a fast flow of water could be initiated at the start of this test then the flow momentum might maintain the vacuum and therefore the 'draw' from the "suction"side. If air can still be drawn into the outlet side then it will break the vacuum and the unit will stop working. It's an interesting concept, but I agree with you that it should not work in any practical way. the vacuum must draw water up from both inlet and outlet due to the equal atmospheric pressure at both the inlet and outlet sides. Well done for trying so long.

[@kevink9397]

In another video, possibly the same one that you had initially watched, the guy had a longer pick-up tube and (evidently) deeper water at the bank allowing him to take longer thrusting motions whereas you used short strokes like you were jingling your change. The longer thrusts likely built greater pressure because of the greater volume/mass of the water. If you have another go at it, try using it in deeper water where you can get greater volume.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Which part of perpetual motion machines are impossible is hard for you to understand?

[@kevink9397]

​@@blaster-zy7xx Your reading comprehension skills need some work. I never said it would work in perpetuity, I said the other video looks like it compressed more air which allowed it to flow for a longer period of time. BTW, you should find a new answer to share with the class, maybe even try to understand those replies rather than being a condescending little prick.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

@@kevink9397 NO YOU DID NOT! Did you forgot that this is a WRITTEN format that we all can simply READ what you wrote the first time? The original video is simply a hoax. Attempting to defend the hoax only illustrates that you didn't know that the original was a hoax and simply can not work.

[@kevink9397]

@@blaster-zy7xx woo-hoo! And again you're off your meds, or so it seems. No one responding to your vid is purporting the existence of perpetual motion. You're either here to pick fights or your simply a nutlog. Either way sparky, I suggest you seek help.

[@colorfulstring]

Why don't you search about the first law of thermodynamics?

[@hili467]

what is the original video? what are we comparing the debunking video to?

[@strategygamingmalaysia8906]

Can you make trompe pump

[@terjeoseberg990]

You forgot to add the pump and battery inside the thicker part of the tubing.

[@crisvermondcreman2894]

Do not close the exit when you shake to start siphoning so that the pressure inside would settle first in it's proper pressure sir.

[@vlad3k]

You need to PUMP AIR in the pressure tank. So ACTUALLY GIVE IT SOME PREASURE. Install a small bicicleta wheel vent. So you can pump the air in easily.

[@maddhatter3564]

common sense tells us water does not run up hill. but ty for showing it in real time.

[@AboveandBeyond44]

And now back to our regularly scheduled program. 😄👍

[@waynechannon5253]

Glue your joints, how can it work if it is sucking air on the joints.

[@ScienceMadeFunner]

Wow thank you very much for the video! A lot of guys will just try and debunk things without even testing it. You go the extra mile and I appreciate that good sir!

[@leonkeating2212]

using hydrostatic pressure you'll need a wider inlet narrowing to the outlet and smallest head hight possible and think about adding back pressure so com plete system needs to be air tight too, also pond shape, depth of intake, water hardness and more are factors.

[@cdtero]

To have a better understanding of what is going on inside the System, you should make sure that the whole system is fully sealed, hermetic, leak-proof, so that no air is sucked in, or leaked out. Then you should use some kind of PC-compatible pressure measurement System that allows you to messure pressure at different points of your device, and display the results on your Laptop Screen.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Which part of perpetual motion machines are impossible is hard for you to understand?

[@cdtero]

@@blaster-zy7xx ...I don't care what we are told in College or in the books, we are never told the whole Truth about science. Anyway, this kind of systems does not defy or violate Thermodynamics Laws in the way we are told because the working principle is based on piping tricks and gravity. I have seen similar devices Work with some design modifications.

[@blaster-zy7xx]

@@cdtero Nope, doesn't happen. You are unwittingly advocating for a perpetual motion machine. If you were correct, (which you are not) then the water could be endlessly pumped up to a higher point and allowed to flow downhill, running a turbine or whatever. Nope. In order to add potential energy (actively lifting something to a higher level) energy MUST be added into the system. There is no free lunch.

[@cdtero]

@@blaster-zy7xx ...For decades Lots of scientists have been threatened, persecuted, silenced, discredited, censored, suppressed, or killed just for defying the interests of big Corrpporattions or the Esttablishmment. Find out about the misterious death of Stanley Meyer, the inventor of water fuel cell

[@cdtero]

@@blaster-zy7xx ....Lol, its hard to open the eyes of someone who has been brainwashed since childhood by the Establishment. You have to think out of the box buddy. Don't follow the traditional methods or assumptions that we are taught in school. Do your own science at home. Think of gravity as a Potential energy battery, play with pressure, pipe diameters, volume, fluid speed, etc. Sometimes you might get results that don't obey Physics Laws. You might think that you are doing sonething wrond but you aren't. It is just that we are not told the whole truth about science.

[@alphonceo3571]

lm here due to interest in green energy and convenience it'll bring me living in rural setting. I'm wondering if I can incorporate wind mill turbine to help build pressure in the set up, could the water flow with good pressure...lm not good at physics/sciences🤗

[@miketran570]

clearly, you did clue it tight. if the seal is not good then air can escape, and it reduces the pressure, so it won't work.

[@Xtreme-truth-]

What is the one thing that the other videos have on Thurs. that you don't

[@gregorylagrange]

What's missing is a valve like what's on a bicycle tire to fill the other chamber with pressurized air.

[@fairryalp.-de5qb]

It doesn't need the Schrade Valve for it to work. The reason the guy has the Schrade valve because he wants to have enough pressure without having to fill the pipes with water first. It's just a different design, everything else works exactly the same.

[@gregorylagrange]

@@fairryalp.-de5qb A siphon needs to dump water out at a lower point than where it takes it in to work.

[@DJTechnuero]

an interesting PVC pipe pump is the one that you pump presure inside the vacuum , that makes more sence.

[@Orbacron]

Yeah.. I tried it.. But I didn't have 300 feet to see if slope velocity would keep it going

[@tracyannbanks123_12]

Keep trying buddy!

[@tracyannbanks123_12]

I’d love to know you better that’s if you don’t mind

[@Dingsrud]

Inlet is lower than outlet so this is not a siphon. It is a manual pump with a lot of funny impractical stuff on it. Will only deliver water as long as you keep on pumping.

[@Dagins]

um, I could be mistaken but it's not going to work filling it that way you need to flip it over or fill it on it's side. pretty sure you needed the pressure tank to be full of water not air... or you would need to attach something to increase the air pressure (like a bike pump), otherwise it's more of an air pocket than anything exerting pressure. but it should be as full as possible I would think. (that said can't say I've done it)

[@dennispowers7404]

Kinda curious if the stand pipe after the pressure chamber was shorter, albeit, it may run a little longer but not much. Or even straight out from the pressure chamber with no vertical lift.

[@kjellg6532]

Or simply drop al that fancy nonsense? A simple hose will do the trick, no funny chambers and pressure.

[@mustaphatajudeen973]

Thanks I did one too but is not working

[@Dherreiros]

Everything is ok what you did, the trick is the water will be in movement, what you need is to build up water flow, without constant flow, nothing works.

[@hypnoman]

you didn't glue your pipes? air will escape if you dont cement your pvc

[@stilltuckered]

A simple bucket works so much better and cheaper. 😂

[@shaundurant7415]

Isn't this a hydraulic ram? Okay, how can pressure build if you haven't even used glue? Also doesn't they need to be a drop in elevation?

[@LandtoHouse]

That is the point. The original video did not glue and there was no drop. It had full flow siphon.

[@kjellg6532]

@@LandtoHouse And the original video is a hoax. A siphon can not lift any water.

[@publicwatchdog2489]

Double check valves

[@EdwinKoenen-b6t]

Maybe there is a leak somewhere in the pipe , this way you don't build any pressure, and it won t work😊

[@ThereYouAreT1]

There are huge air pockets in it plus he didn't seal the middle ones tight. Air befan to flow and it made the water stop

[@dennisfrase5179]

The video I seen some how the guy pumped air into tank # 2, don’t understand how he kept air from getting out!!!

[@Laxminarayanprajapati131]

how many hour does it work

[@shadowhawk1st]

DEFINATELY want to see the barrel siphon results!!!! I've seen many of those videos. I get the concept. Looks reasonable. But looks too good to be true and I have no place to try it

[@liveinfoportal]

me too..... looks too real

[@chrisschoenen8888]

Wood be great to see this this.

[@kjellg6532]

Barrel. siphon works fine, if and only if, the water level at the inlet is higher than the delivery. As with any siphon, the system must be filled with water and air tight. To prevent air coming in via the exit, just dip it into a bucket of water.

[@rklauco]

There's a nice edit in the original video :) I wonder why... :)

[@alishahbaz3145]

Hi sir if I need pipe 2" working also pls reply thanks

[@Kevin-g3g1v]

It will only work if the outlet lower than the upstream water level.

[@natarakikimat2532]

Oulet must be no change in direction. It should be straight. That will reduce the pressure.

[@josipdrazin6708]

It clearly works, it's just not how everyone expected. The reason that this type of vacuum pump is being showed to everyone by those "scammers" is because of development. Who knows... Maybe someone will have an idea on how to improve and make use of this type of pump.

[@fairryalp.-de5qb]

The system does work but you'll have to do every steps correctly. DO NOT learn from this video as he made several serious errors from very beginning (pumping water into the pipes). 🔸 The design PASSED 🔸 Action FAILED cuz he didn't pump the water into the pipes. Also, I remember he mentioned what the guy poking the pipe into water for. He PUSHED the pipe (with no return valve) deep into water to PUMP water to fill the pipes. 🔸 If the system has opinion to pure water to fill the main pipe, then he only need to PUSH to fill the inlet pipe. 🔸 If system has no opinion to pure water to the main pipe (the system he has), then he will have to FILL ALL PIPES with water. This he FAILED so it won't work.

[@josipdrazin6708]

@fairryalp.-de5qb i will have to try it out

[@normanharris1092]

You forgot to add Chineseum to the valve

[@34286244]

I think it's not work because you use same size input and output pipe. I think input pipe need to be bigger than the output pipe.

[@MGmirkin]

Now, if the OUTPUT side were to slope down, and reach further than the input water level, I think it would continue perpetually as a more standard siphon (just with the shaking "self-start" to prime it), since it would be traveling from a higher point to a lower point... So, it would just be a way to get water from some restricted high point like a lake over some obstruction and down to a lower point. But, yeah, having your output higher than your input isn't going to work, since water doesn't flow uphill, generally speaking. ;)

[@LandtoHouse]

OH ! I like that idea! I will give that a try as a fun way to start a siphon! Thank you for the great idea.

[@MGmirkin]

@@LandtoHouse Yeppers! (Hey, looks like it worked!) I think ti could be improved slightly by making the output side a stable setup that rests on the ground and making the input side like a flexible tube of similar diameter, with just a small length or rigid tube and a non-return valve at the end, maybe with a handle on it? I figure that way you wouldn't have to shake [apart] the entire contraption, just shake the short input end length of pipe. And I suspect with just a short pipe at the end and a flexible tube you could probably shake it in the water much faster to prime / start it more quickly? ^_^ Also, don't know if making the input side before the hump slightly larger, and the output pipe past the hump slightly smaller would help? Just thinking that less water would "leak out" and less air would suck back in on the output side, so maybe it would "fully prime" faster with slightly greater input size than output size? Only a guess... ^_^

[@LandtoHouse]

@@MGmirkin It worked very well. Thank you for the suggestion. I actually already found the materials in my shop to begin every part of the test that you are mentioning. I will try to get that video filmed sometime this week. I did learn that the name for this is actually jiggle siphon.

[@MGmirkin]

Would also still love to see one of my other suggestions from way back. Was thinking for long hills where you maybe want to do multiple "pit stop" reservoirs and additional ram pumps to pump further up a long hill, you "lose" a lot of water out of the system at each additional ram pump, which is very "lossy." But what if at each new uphill ram pump you put the output check valve in like a plastic box with a drain on it that feeds back down into the next downhill reservoir (and an overflow on that reservoir that feeds into the box that feeds back to the prior reservoir, as well), so that you're basically "recapturing" your losses and giving them a second chance at life [2nd/3rd/4th chance to go back up the hill]. Then at the very bottom ram pump, like you can use its "losses" to do something useful like watering a garden, or whatnot. Was just a thought I had on making the system slightly less "lossy." (Lots of water just ends up being "wasted" and never making it up the hill, but it seems like it could be recaptured fairly easily at uphill pumps and reused at lower reservoirs / pumps. And then perhaps only the bottom-most pump would be "lossy"?)

[@MGmirkin]

Also wondered if it's possible to make a **large** "reservoir" with multiple outputs (drive pipes) that come to like a Y-joint or a 3-way+ joint to feed a ram pump, such that the outputs have pipes at like different heights inside the reservoir with something like float valves that will open them when the water gets above certain level(s) and the float valve opens, thus feeding an additional input/drive pipe down to the ram pump(s) and either increasing head pressure or maybe flow rate, or both? I'm thinking like as a way to account for seasonal variability in a water source like a creek which may have more flow / volume in winter than summer. So you could always have some baseline amount of water being pumped, but as maybe flow increases in the fall/winter, you could expand your pumping capacity accordingly by opening additional float valves to deal with any extra water volume. I'm wondering if A) it's possible, B) what would be the effect? Would opening an additional float valve result in more head pressure (if both/all pipes go to a y-joint/3-way+ joint **before** the ram pump)? What would be the result? Faster cycling / flow rate, higher pressure or volume in the output after the ram pump? Also, I'm wondering, if it works, what would be the difference between putting a single ram pump **after the Y-joint or 3-/4-way join,** vs. putting individual ram pumps on each line **prior to the y-joint or 3-/4-way join?** Like would one produce more head pressure and faster cycle, whereas the other would produce more flow rate? And what would be the effect on output up the hill, and/or water waste at the ram pump? Would there be any benefit or savings to either ram pumps before or after the joint? Would multiple ram pumps on individual lines result in more water waster than a single ram pump after the join. Would a single ram pump end up with too much head pressure and cycle too fast, or "jam up" and not start cycling, etc.? I feel like the ram pumps on the individual lines prior to the joint(s) would probably be less problematic (IE not over-loading head pressure), though it may also waste more water due to multiple ram pumps going simultaneously? But would the "efficiency" still be basically the same, in terms of waste water vs. water pumped up the hill (you'd just get more water up the hill due to higher flow rate from multiple pumps running in parallel to feed the output pipe)? Does any of that make sense? Am I thinking about it right? Still kinda' new to ram pumps... But I think I'm slowly wrapping my brain around them...

[@qa2856]

Thanks for doing this experiment! I’ve been wondering about this for months. Have you seen the modification where a Schrader valve is added to the top of the air chamber and a bicycle pump is used to pressurize the air chamber? Not sure if that would help.

[@LandtoHouse]

I sure have seen that version. I think that would help to get it started but there's no way it would run more than maybe 1 or 2 minutes.

[@jessierangel434]

I think that pressure will keep it working for an extended period of time. Please try that before completely debunking this theory. Thank you

[@kjellg6532]

Air into a siphon will ruin the siphon function. Pumping in air is a hoax!

[@buggsy5]

@@jessierangel434 No, it won't. There is no head of pressure to supply the water needed to replace the water that flows out. Using the Schrader valve to pressurize the second tube would just blow out whatever water is past it in the system. Any demos are absolute fakes - perpetual motion machines do not work.

[@virgiliogaza2169]

100% accurate for me, thanks for the schematic diagram on how it's done.

[@Som3089]

Yes I watch that siphon like video and it said it was fast in the video but your didn't work but why

[@somenumboola]

I also think that it supposed to: - be air tight - first tank should contain volume bigger than inlet pipe - second tank should contain volume more than exhaust pipe.

[@1981dasimpson]

i have never scene this congiurtation and cant see how it would ever work at least with the others i have scene with the big barrels do make more sence if they do work

[@LandtoHouse]

I think the channel was mrcover. there is a jump cut right when the water starts flowing. Probably a pump connected.

[@1981dasimpson]

@@LandtoHouse yeah I would say impella pump in the empty tube

[@loucinci3922]

Busted! That will never work. There is no source kinetic energy. Thanks for sharing

[@misterdubity3073]

Siphons don't work uphill. Without having seen the original video where this supposedly worked, I'd guess that the 'tank' was part water and part air with the air under slight pressure when then pushed out a little water, stopping when the pressure equalized. Edit: now I watched the original FAKE video. At 0:07 there is a break in the recording where the trick occurred. At 2:50 as the flow increases you can hear a motor increasing as the water flow increases. Clear water coming out of a muddy river. Either a pump is in the one 'tank' or the long 'straw' is fit into a larger pipe which is connected to a pressurized water source.

[@LandtoHouse]

The original is definitely fake. Disappointing to see that it was posted just to get the viral views.

[@hunkt2980]

Thank you very much

[@jaywatts333]

the guy turn his pump sideways pumping (filling it with water) then stood it upright. did it 2-3 times. each time it worked. lol

[@rafaelsandoval7077]

The front pipe supposed to be low to the ground to cause gravity. You have it almost the same height

[@jacqueslemiere]

to pump water up you need at least to bring the equivalent of gravitational energy... of course, you can initially put some energy in the system like pressurize gaz or whaterver but once it is used. the flow stops... no need to debunk as i ve never see one working... but...well..trying by yourself is fine...but ..physicists have done that long ago..

[@epifanioTorregosa]

Crazy presentation

[@jacobowens867]

His pressure tanks were double the size of yours I bet that has something to do with it

[@jamesshelton7301]

The disign of this isn't calculated properly. As others have stated, this utilizes the siphon principle. Having a ram pump in that thing would be cool.

[@akbychoice]

I think the original had a shake activated battery powered pump inside one of the chambers.

[@ox_police]

🤣 must be

[@blaster-zy7xx]

Either that or there was a vide edit where an external pump was added to the intake side and hidden under the water of the pond.

[@michaeldonovan6076]

it had a shake valve creating a syphone effect you can buy the valves for couple dollars.

[@terranearthling9918]

Test the drum siphon see if that works

[@kjellg6532]

No, a drum siphon can not lift any water either.

[@jarrodforet3557]

So are you going for the class clown, if u build it like the other build I don't think u have enough suction pipe inches

[@ricrafols]

try to study the bernoulli's equation for energy gradient line

[@ufolaoguy5240]

good job

[@ACR_BOX]

It is pressure buildup followed by vacuum suction. That mean leakage is a big thing to make it right. Another is the volume and the length. Yours is equal in length but reduced in pipe size. That means you can not produce the pressure/vacuum you need... So size matters and in a pressure/vacuum system, it needs to be consistent and without much leakage... Keep in mind that it is based on NATURAL pressure, that means limited pressure. That means limited distance and limited volume... This means standing or low flowing water will always run out of pressure. If you do it in a river and/or canal it is more effective. If you ad a floater with weights to the part that is in the channel, the movement of current, wave and tide will build up natural pressure. It is a very old, thousands years old and proven concept that works.. Look at history about: Bamboo piping & pumps + water elevation systems ect ect.

[@hqbanh7110]

Water finds its way down to the ocean, not uphill to the mountain top. Smile!

[@ThereYouAreT1]

You don't know physics. The chamber in the middle are not tight enough to keep the necessary are pressure. Thus it caused the front part to lose force.

[@feellnfroggy]

I was excited at first, guess it’s just a temporary way to get water from a canal lower than the place of land.

[@artsmith7254]

Guaranteed this will work. Get rid of the check valve and put the output end lower than the input.

[@alisideh9565]

Did you do it yourself that you guarantee? Or did you see it on Facebook?

[@artsmith7254]

@@alisideh9565 Ive done it many times. Siphoning gas, water, and other things. Just need to fill up the tube first. Its called gravity.

[@colorfulstring]

There was a scammer who created a device exactly like the one shown in the video and showed a large amount of water spewing out

[@ernestoaquino1250]

LASTLY, FROM WHAT I OBSERVED, THE VALVED WAS ALREADY OPEN, in fact the other video is without a valve - so when it was "shaken" in the water, it pumped up water easily. try doing it that way - keep the valve open.

[@reginr]

THANK YOU~~~~~~~~~

[@colman1081]

I think you are doing it all wrong, you must use a cocacola bottle.. because everything will work well with a cocacola bottle.. lol..😂😂😂

[@LandtoHouse]

Ah yes that must be what is missing. haha

[@virgiliogaza2169]

It's working.