"Endangered the lives of 200,000 people, luckily, there was a press strike so no one reported on it" Damn That was almost a disaster for their quarterly revenue
@NarasimhaDiyasena Жыл бұрын
It’s like how the Government put a gag on the Nuclear waste issue that occurred in October last year which people didn’t learn about until late February this year when the damage was already done. The government obviously hates us.
@thebronx-kr9ns Жыл бұрын
The tells you the unions are corrupt
@IlllIIIIllIIlIIlIlIlllI Жыл бұрын
The line must go up ! 💹
@lyrimetacurl0 Жыл бұрын
It was a disaster for them but similar to that time someone bought a winning lottery ticket only to find their transaction had been denied when they bought it because their account didn't have enough money.
@liamcolotti6824 Жыл бұрын
That’s very New York.
@RIZEREN Жыл бұрын
“An architects dream is an engineers nightmare” words to live by lol
@nbgoodiscore130311 ай бұрын
My father, an almost retired engineer, would absolutely agree with you.
@aightm88 ай бұрын
Actually the original design with the flaw was down to the chief engineer. And it was an architecture student who called him and asked about the flaw.
@am_Nein8 ай бұрын
@@aightm8!Random Round¡ Role Reversal
@placefeature53298 ай бұрын
Correct.
@hardcorelace75658 ай бұрын
Ive just started a civil engineering course and have heard this quote soo many times in the first semester alone lol
@shibno01 Жыл бұрын
*Builds a building that looks unstable so it looks cool *It’s actually unstable
@ivanc90878 ай бұрын
Like wow who would have thought
@thesavagegummybear73417 ай бұрын
Doesn’t even look cool, that’s one of the dumbest designs for the base of a building I think I’ve ever seen, actual fucking worms for brains.
@h8GW5 ай бұрын
The design of the stilts wasn't the problem; it's that they riveted/bolted the girders together instead of welding them, allowing too much movement in the tower. This video was poorly researched.
@DevaDragon9113 ай бұрын
and it doesnt look cool
@Galaxy16293 ай бұрын
@@DevaDragon911It kinda does tho.
@HowardSkub9 ай бұрын
“Luckily there was no press to warn people of their impending doom” lmao
@MikeAW20107 ай бұрын
Meh, sometimes I think the world would be a better place if the press would stop warning people about ALOT of things.
@iqbalindaryono89847 ай бұрын
@@MikeAW2010Why? Knowing is the reason good changes happen. How the public process the information is their fault, not the one who reported it.
@LS-Gaming1017 ай бұрын
@@iqbalindaryono8984 what you said is true, but sometimes the press overexaggerate things and misinform.
@Vettel_Ronaldo7 ай бұрын
@@iqbalindaryono8984because people panic
@didurma6372 ай бұрын
@@LS-Gaming101agreed they blow story's up for clicks and views and make them sound way worse than they actually are seen a older gentleman hit the gas instead of the brake while Parking and literally bumped the side of the building no damage watching the news later that day see the headline elderly man rams side of store sending people fleeing for there lives lmao
@virgilio6349 Жыл бұрын
Church on the corner. Architect: Lets build the entire skyscraper on stilts onstead of just the side that has the church on the corner...
@Apocalypse_04157 ай бұрын
Exactly
@creech444 Жыл бұрын
Apparently one of the problems was the architect had specified certain fasteners on all the beams, these allowed the building to wobble in the wind, the contractor changed them out without consulting the architect, to a more standard, sturdier fasterner, but it would cause the building to "snap." Some people did actually figure it out while the building was being repaired. There were so many welding teams working on the building, from the outside that the welding torches traced out the structure of the building., tipping people that there was a structural issue. Also people wondered why there were NO welding crews available in three states. They also had big crews for sheet-rocking and painting. They would go in after people left their offices, ripping out the walls, welding the beams, then putting up new sheetrock and repainting, so people wouldn't realize there was work going on.
@user-nj1zu2nf1x Жыл бұрын
Gotta love it. It's like when they told everyone the air was safe in Manhattan after 9/11.
@yuioyup Жыл бұрын
Why do they keep lying to us
@neatwheat Жыл бұрын
@@yuioyup You mean ... why do people make changes to a structural concept without asking the structural engineer first? Savage. But not in a good way.
@Msboochie2 Жыл бұрын
@@neatwheat That too, of course! Just as importantly, once that disastrous oversight was made, denying hundreds of thousands of people the right to make an informed decision on behalf of their own safety is also problematic, and the “always lying” part they were referring to. Those people had a right to know what was going on, and choose to stay away or come in and work anyway. They were lucky it worked out but it could’ve easily gone awry.
@alego8072 Жыл бұрын
@@yuioyup$$$$$$$$$$$$, really.
@hiyukelavie2396 Жыл бұрын
Some blame the architect, some blame the contractor But none of this would have happened if they didn't make that strange real estate deal in the first place
@petepillow8642 Жыл бұрын
Nigga , MIND BLOWN 🖕🖕🖕🖕
@NightPhoenix.Y Жыл бұрын
Fr get that church outa there just move it a bit
@williammerkel1410 Жыл бұрын
The church was there first, end of story
@getass3290 Жыл бұрын
@@NightPhoenix.Y Or just stop building ugly ass skyscrapers over historic buildings.
@TeenWithACarrotIDK Жыл бұрын
@KZbin is Trash I mean, anything is more important than this generic, lazy ass designed building that looks about as structurally stable at the bottom as a Jenga set after 20 stacks.
@Oisin78928 Жыл бұрын
It wasn't a design flaw, but a flaw with the standards. The wind code at the time only required winds at the cardinal directions to be checked. This is an important point as it's a key reason why the building owner couldn't sue LeMessurier for negligence. It didn't have a 1/16th risk of collapsing. It had a risk of the steel connections exceeding their design capacity in a 1 in 16 year wind event. This design capacity has a number of material and load safety factors built in, so even if a 1 in 16 year wind event happened the building would probably be fine. The code required the building to resist a 1 in 50 year wind event which was the issue. You also left out some other key points such as mentioning Diane Hartley who was the student who raised the question to LeMessurier. It's disappointing that you left her name out of the facts but still found space to mention the architect who played a relatively minor role in the story. I'd recommend reading the original New Yorker article as well as the paper by Eugene Kremer on the topic to gain a better understanding. It's disappointing that people will watch your video and not grasp the facts of the case incorrectly. (Edit:Typo)
@MakeYouMadds Жыл бұрын
Regarding that last bit. That's exactly why I check for comments like this. Thanks for the actual info!
@LuizAlexPhoenix Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's a short. This is gone from our minds in the next minute.
@petepillow8642 Жыл бұрын
I watched one short , where a dude was trying to go baw deep in his pugs sphinx , just ruined me
@infernaldaedra Жыл бұрын
Your comment made me think how often statistics and facts can be used falsely and I'm glad you said it
@MrPaxio Жыл бұрын
im not surprised. but what happens in that one in 50 year event? a second nein eleven?
@eraldway Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t a design flaw. More like a construction flaw. This building was designed with a chevron system and each chevron was in multiple pieces and was suppose to be welded on site. In order make construction easier these were bolted instead. This was overlooked and the building was built with bolts. The repair include them adding steel plate snifters that were welded at each bolted connection.
@bobbob17307 ай бұрын
The key failure was in the analysis of the fastening change. They analyzed the building for wind loading but only looked at face wind loads which are usually the worst case for square buildings. With this unique design the cornering wind load was the worst case condition. So while the change was fine for face winds, it wasn't for cornering winds.
@Michael75579Ай бұрын
Sounds like the Hyatt Regency walkway in Kansas City; a change to what the architect drew during construction led to an unintentional massive reduction in the load it could carry and its later collapse.
@aeronaut74 Жыл бұрын
Looks like someone built a giant popsicle made out of glasses entirely as a skyscraper. 💀
@apretarded7248 Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t some random student crying, I don’t know the name but they ended up being a talented architect, they calculated the structural issues of the building alone and came up with the plan to fix them while still studying.
@txikitule Жыл бұрын
They used rivets instead of the bolts required by the plans.
@stroo_ Жыл бұрын
i think he said inquiring
@trnphantom2586 Жыл бұрын
a student was looking at the as built structure vs the original plan and inquired about the change which is how it got caught the student didn’t fix it
@neversinkmakes Жыл бұрын
Diane Lee Hartley. She was a student at Princeton at the time.
@dylankrell Жыл бұрын
@@neversinkmakes she was performing her Thesis on the building right?
@Barrybecker2 Жыл бұрын
The actual name was “Citicorp Center”. I worked there 1987-90 on the 27th floor. So glad I’m only hearing about this now!
@edelquinn3265 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your wonderful service
@WitchKing-Of-Angmar Жыл бұрын
Yes, that was nagging me
@MissLilyputt Жыл бұрын
Apparently it was changed to Citigroup Center. Weird
@sailingsam3815 Жыл бұрын
Did the building sway during bad weather?
@Barrybecker2 Жыл бұрын
@@sailingsam3815 I don’t recall ever feeling it sway and I had a window office. Of course it was over 30 years ago at this point, so perhaps it did and I just don’t remember.
@qucee-fu Жыл бұрын
I would say it's lucky the structural engineer took that phone call and listened to what a student had to say
@Repleh Жыл бұрын
Not really. Simulation analysis was done and quaternary winds actually produce less wind pressure on the building.
@revolvency Жыл бұрын
@@Repleh yeah, but the contractor didn't use the same stuff the engineer intended
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
@@revolvency - NIST - which did the simulation analysis mentioned by Repleh - recommended reanalyzing the building structure to see if it had adequate strength - since NIST determined that the NYC code was adequate to withstand high winds - it's likely that even with the bolts (replacing welds) - the building would probably not have collapsed the chief engineer LeMessurier never spoke with Diane Hartley who had warned of quartering wind loads - it was his phone call with student Lee DeCarolis that prompted him to recalc the wind loads - and after comparing them to the building's construction - determined that it could collapse if the electricity was cut and disabled the dampers used to control the building's sway - so he reinforced it - - but the NIST reanalysis suggests it may have been unnecessary
@Noadvantage24611 ай бұрын
Imagine if that student didn’t believe in themselves… It would’ve been very easy to look at that huge billion dollar building, look at all the well respected architecture and engineering firms involved, look at all the senior engineers and tradesmen, and say to yourself “Surely they can’t _ALL_ have missed this, I’m just a student. They know much more than me, I’m probably the one whose wrong.”
@twentysecondcenturywoman Жыл бұрын
My god we need more traditional architecture. Please bring back art deco New York 😭
@PositronVI Жыл бұрын
Agreed and also bring back streamline moderne
@joshuagraham96710 ай бұрын
Tradition is an illusion
@kookyjoeb552410 ай бұрын
Communists / Marxists hate beauty that’s why we have all this ugly, brutalist architecture.
@circleinforthecube517010 ай бұрын
nah, people think they want an all traditional architecture skyline but they don't, it gets gaudy and overcomplicated quick, also postmodernism executes the wedding cake form/ setback as you go up form of the skyscraper much better, the modernism and postmodernism is as much as part of city character as traditional designs, if you really cant handle a building being more simplistic than its neighbor then don't look at architecture, people also want to act like old architecture is objecitevly better yet if that were true then the ppg palace wouldn't be talked about more than the cathedral of learning or chicagos old buildings wouldn't be taking side seats to the sears tower and john hancock center, Except it is like that, funny huh? maybe you should just tolerate something you don't like that isint actually as harmful as you want to believe it is, almost every argument for puritisiam from traditionalists AND modernists (form follows function is a bunch of bullshit, minimalist midcentury design is cool but a lot of reasons for it were bullshit and sometimes racist) and it follows the same style of arguments made for the objectivity of music/art/movies/games people want their taste to be objectively true, its part of being human, also they wouldn't have torn down everything before 1950 like they did in the 60s in america if these buildings were so objectively better
@largeymargey56519 ай бұрын
@@circleinforthecube5170pretty building = good and inspiring. Raw Concrete box = omg just looking at that I wanna kms. I want to be in places that are interesting and inviting not places that are overpowering, foreboding and refuse organic forms. Modernism and postmodernism came about as a rebellion against tradition. Which is ultimately good however now that those styles along with contemporary have become the defacto default for new buildings they represent the exact opposite... conformity. And now ornamentalism and organic structures are rebellious.
@KyaPataKya8 ай бұрын
Architects out here endangering lives for aesthetics 😭😭
@Anant-ik2lwАй бұрын
It wasn’t the architects fault it was the contractor removing stuff without consulting the architect
@neilperry2224 Жыл бұрын
It was a architecture major who worked out the fault with the building.
@pseudotasuki Жыл бұрын
IIRC there were two issues. The wind direction issue is what the student figured out, but it wouldn't have necessarily caused a collapse. It did mean the margins were much smaller than the engineers had believed, so they decided to review everything. That's when they discovered the second issue: a contractor had swapped out one type of fastener for another, which made the building's unusual structure too rigid. The two issues combined dropped the safety margins for lower than is acceptable.
@No-cc1fq Жыл бұрын
And contractor approve the design
@LeifNelandDk Жыл бұрын
Something like "I can't understand what keeps the building to collapse in winds like this" "... Oh shit, you are right, nothing"
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
Diane Hartley's calculations determined that quartering winds would be high enuf to collapse the building - made weaker by the placement of the columns chief engineer LeMessurier (who never spoke with Hartley) recalced the wind loads after a phone call with another architectural student Lee DeCarolis - and thought they could be a danger if the electricity goes out - causing the damper system that reduces the building's sway to stop - he then learned that critical braces in the building were joined by bolts rather than welded - and he thought that the NYC code which the building met was inadequate - so he instituted the reinforcement ironically - recently NIST has reanalyzed the wind loads using modern technology - and found the wind loads were not a problem - and that meeting the NYC code was sufficient - they recommended a reanalysis of the original design to determine if it needed to be reinforced after all in short - both Hartley and LeMessurier were wrong about the wind loads - there was likely no danger of the building toppling
@kadlifal8 ай бұрын
@@johneyon5257better safe than be sorry, ig But thanks
@gonzalotapia1250 Жыл бұрын
There is a happy ending because rare thing 2 happened. A student wasn't afraid to question her teacher, and the teacher was humble enough to accept that he was wrong.
@satibel Жыл бұрын
afaik the student was like "I can't see anything wrong with my calculations, what did they do that I missed?" and the engineer was like "well, fuck she didn't miss anything."
@Viki1999 Жыл бұрын
And the teacher was willing to loose his livelyhood by admitting he built an unstable skyscraper. There was a very real threat that he could have been screwed. Luckily engineers are decently intelligent so they praised him for it to encourage people self reporting issues instead of hiding mistakes. Nowadays we call that a blameless culture and it's commonly used in aviation, architecture, infrastructure etc
@maxonite11 ай бұрын
Humble? More like terrified lol, if that thing had collapsed his life would have been ruined
@AndorranStairway9 ай бұрын
@@Viki1999you guys have the story all wrong. The architect of the building is LeMessurier, and he wasn’t a teacher. It was a Princeton student that discovered the structural flaw and informed her professor, who in turn informed LeMessurier’s firm. He assured them the calculations were correct until a second student later called him up and convinced him to check on his calculations.
@janettetorrez92188 ай бұрын
@@AndorranStairwayYou have most of it. Just missing the correct ending. The plans and calculations were 100% correct. However the engineer checked the final plans anyway and noticed the contractor had made last minute changes with the material used which altered the calculations and made it unsafe because of the weight and type of screw/weld used. So he wasn’t wrong, the contractor was by not having anyone recheck for the new accurate measurements. So really the engineer and that student were both hero’s! But yeah no one ever gets this story correct.
@domesticcat1725 Жыл бұрын
NYC stop hiring incompetent architects challenge
@Shlappz Жыл бұрын
(impossible)
@andy-em5tp Жыл бұрын
It was the contractors fault, not the architects. The contractor didn’t use the right fasteners that the architect specified.
@your_average_cultured_dude Жыл бұрын
(FAIL)
@amppari_234 Жыл бұрын
@@andy-em5tp it was still an obviously stupid decision for the architecht. Both small failiures led to a bigger one, it seems.
@AA-zs7jw Жыл бұрын
Engineers you mean.
@reaper52428 ай бұрын
I can think of something worse that happened with towers in New York
@DoodledevOSC3 ай бұрын
1993
@Anant-ik2lwАй бұрын
@@DoodledevOSC2001
@glennwelsh978425 күн бұрын
Yes, we all know. While that was a horrific intentional act, at least some people had time to escape with their lives. Imagine that building filled with many, MANY more people who have absolutely zero warning as the entire building suddenly tips over and collapses onto other adjacent buildings filled with people who also had zero warning, all because one architect royally screwed up.
@Anant-ik2lw25 күн бұрын
@@glennwelsh9784 it was actually the contractor who screws up surprisingly
@ragemodegaming7962 Жыл бұрын
Engineers: function Architects: form Function over Form!
@tylere.843610 ай бұрын
Case and point, fake shutters. Eye sores and useless. Actually get shutters or don't have any. The beauty is both in function and aesthetics.
@raffa44569 ай бұрын
Form follows function
@mi12no Жыл бұрын
Also known as the building shown in nearly every “Suits” transition clip of the New York skyline
@cewfigures1128 Жыл бұрын
Exactly the same thing I was thinking of
@davidferro2236 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I drove past this building in 1980, thought it was dangerous
@petepillow8642 Жыл бұрын
How many hundreds of years old are you ?? 😳😳😳
@trollloloololooo Жыл бұрын
@@petepillow8642 what!? 💀
@garyslayton8340 Жыл бұрын
@@petepillow8642for hime to drive he had to be 16 so lets assume 18 Wich would make him like 55ish?
@ayyu12 Жыл бұрын
@@petepillow8642 lol stupid gen Z er
@schwarz8614 Жыл бұрын
@@petepillow8642 gen alpha for real
@AzeroAI Жыл бұрын
That's why architects and civil engineers fight.
@williammerkel1410 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you know what civil engineer means
@willjohn1117 Жыл бұрын
@William Merkel do you?
@Crlarl Жыл бұрын
@@williammerkel1410 Mechanical engineers make weapons, civil engineers make targets.
@trnphantom2586 Жыл бұрын
@@williammerkel1410 structural engineers are civil engineers
@revolvency Жыл бұрын
And they both hate sly contractor like this
@absolutezerochill2700 Жыл бұрын
Doing this goofy ass, dangerous stilt design: 😁 Just making the scraper slightly smaller: 😡
@Kitten4799 ай бұрын
The fact that it was finished before anyone started questioning it is a surprise
@rickyparrilla2426 Жыл бұрын
This building has a huge weight at the very top floor which moves from side to side to balance out the building when there are heavy winds. I believe there is a video here on KZbin explaining how the citibank building was saved.
@Shade_Tree_Mechanic Жыл бұрын
I've seen those systems before, they're very cool. It's sort of like a pendulum
@kakyoindonut3213 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah like the one is the Taipei tower, it's very genius and cool!
@huskkyy Жыл бұрын
Tuned mass dampers my friend!
@williammerkel1410 Жыл бұрын
Find the PBS special from 2002 called building big.
@huskkyy Жыл бұрын
@jaytomlinson1848 who said electricity was involved?
@skipradcliff Жыл бұрын
Diane Hartley was the student that contacted the architects firm about the design flaw.
@Repleh Жыл бұрын
there was actually two students that contacted LeMessurier.
@AA-zs7jw Жыл бұрын
Nope, it was a He.
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
@@Repleh - Diane Hartley never spoke with LeMessurier - she spoke with an engineer at the NYC office while LeMessurier was in his office near Boston architectural student Lee DeCarolis spoke with LeMessurier via phone - he simply asked questions - but that got LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - and his calcs determined that if the electricity failed and the building's damper failed - the bracing might not hold the building together due to bolts replacing the welding originally planned NIST reanalysis has determined that LeMessurier's recalc was wrong - that the wind loads would not have been as severe as his calcs said - they recommend a reanalysis of the building structure to determine if the expensive reinforcement was even necessary
@goomba8170 Жыл бұрын
@@AA-zs7jwFactually wrong it was in fact Diane
@studkickass513 Жыл бұрын
@@goomba8170Nope. Johneyon up there has it correct. Diane just wrote a paper. Lee DeCarolis' questions were what made William LeMessurier realize she was correct.
@NintendoNerd64 Жыл бұрын
"stay stable my friends" i'm trying
@Mabeylater2937 ай бұрын
The power of a good student. Glad that student made that phone call.
@dapperpotatoes84737 ай бұрын
Never fucking trust an architect to make something structurally sensible. Honestly I feel like most of them would be better off as sculptors.
@Dr_Larken Жыл бұрын
You should include more dates! I mean, most people don’t know when hurricane Ella came through! And I know that you can look it up! But your videos are informative, dates are everything! Love your videos keep it up !
@UrbanistExploringCities Жыл бұрын
You’re right! Especially in stories like these. It slipped my mind in this video 😅 will keep it in mind with future videos 🙏
@koharumi1 Жыл бұрын
When was this?
@wilfridwibblesworth2613 Жыл бұрын
@@koharumi1 They are talking about the fruit from the date palm tree as a snack, not when this happened.
@sonicbobomb15 Жыл бұрын
@Urbanist: Exploring Cities Could we get a longer video on this building? I don't why but I'd enjoyed it.
@Efflorescentey Жыл бұрын
@@wilfridwibblesworth2613 are dates from a palm tree?! Did not know that
@CHAS1422 Жыл бұрын
The exterior curtainwall was built by Flour City Architectural Metals. I worked there from 1990 to 1995. My boss was the lead engineer on the curtainwall (curtainwall is the glass and aluminum unitized panels with all the structural supporting sub-girts, mullions, and anchors. But not the main structure). Flour City built curtainwall for many of NY's monumental structures in the 1980's and 1990's. Citibank building in LIC Queens, Trump World Tower by the UN building (not Trump Tower on 5th ave), Foley Square Southern District Courthouse, NY Hospital addition over FDR Drive, etc...
@edelquinn3265 Жыл бұрын
❤beautiful
@moefar3418 Жыл бұрын
What is your point😂😂
@edelquinn3265 Жыл бұрын
@@moefar3418 his point is he had an integral part in this wonderful WONDERFUL CREATION
@wirefeed3419 Жыл бұрын
@@moefar3418 He is sharing his knowledge, experience and information from the time he personally worked on the troubled building. What is your point 🤨
@circleinforthecube517010 ай бұрын
@@edelquinn3265 i understand some people like modern arch but bro aside from the stilts and sloped roof it was a pretty average bulding, theres actually one not incredibly different from it in chicago and new york city
@renatacantore3684 Жыл бұрын
The original St. Peter’s Lutheran church was beautiful . The ultramodern new one was/ is amazing. They held Jazz vespers where the best jazz musicians would perform. My parents were among them .
@Artiej0hn0 Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Why doesn't Urban Douche Bag talk about that?!
@JoshuaSobel Жыл бұрын
I know the current organist there. It's a cool place.
@Chicky_Lumps Жыл бұрын
Too bad it has this deformed looking enderman skyscraper hovering over its shoulder.
@tuureluotonen1631 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter if the church's intent to indoctrinate people into christofascism.
@alimbis Жыл бұрын
@@Chicky_Lumpsresidential housing is more important than place of worship
@matthewbernard4152 Жыл бұрын
If you look at the history of a ton of New Yorks sky scrapers including the new ones you find structure failures, lean issues, unstable soil bases. It’s low key scary knowing these buildings have such issues and millions are just walking under them
2 ай бұрын
It is still an issue, I don't know an architect who feels 100% safe about the repairs and that is the visible flaw. You should check below the carpet.
@vincentprospero2809 Жыл бұрын
I used to live in east midtown and could see the Citicorp building from my fire escape. I miss NYC.
@jet4926 Жыл бұрын
If ya gotta go ya gotta go🥴
@mariano7699 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully your hand would prevent that building from collapse🤞
@IblewuponyourfaceIII Жыл бұрын
NYC has been building many ugly skyscraper buildings for the past 50 years or so, especially last 30 years. It needs to stop.
@providence9481 Жыл бұрын
Rich folks.
@bobmarley2140 Жыл бұрын
@@providence9481 The catholic church owns a good amount of NYC
@--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820 Жыл бұрын
@@bobmarley2140 don’t lie
@ticktockbam Жыл бұрын
@@bobmarley2140Oh yeah, surely it's the catholic church the one that owns a big part of NYC and not that other religious and ethnic group that many people are afraid to talk about.
@bobmarley2140 Жыл бұрын
@@--novus-ordo-secrolum-un--8820 Look it up yourself buddy It's true maybe they sold up over the past few decades but they used to
@RollD_by_Rick12 сағат бұрын
The only benefit of this design is that cars are less likely to crash into the side of the building.
@Reconseal4050 Жыл бұрын
Now the closest thing to collapsing like that is the Millennium Tower in San Francisco.
@EdanxJay4 ай бұрын
*Sand
@Jtoob-z5n Жыл бұрын
Good thing this was hidden from people for so long. If it fell, it’d be a real shame for the victims for such a strange activity to happen
@blackngoldfacenope93 Жыл бұрын
Poopin?
@danielx40 Жыл бұрын
The student was doing a case study and called up the engineer. During the phone call, the engineer realized one of the details on the joints or something is done by mistake. And the building can fall if there is a big gust of wind that visits the area periodically and was way over due. So came out to claim that the building was dangerous. This story is then a case study of ethics in engineering schools.
@Repleh Жыл бұрын
They replaced the welds with bolts because it’s a lot easier to construct. LeMessurier only found out later when he was working with the same contractor on a later project, and they asked if they would also be able to do the same swap.
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
the student was Lee DeCarolis - his talk with LeMessurier prompted LeMessurier to recalc the wind loads - and the building's ability to withstand them - and he determined that IF the building's dampers were stopped due to electrical failure - then the structure might fail - due to bolts being used to hold together the V bracing that directed the weight to the beams - instead of the welding that was planned for now we have the technology to measure wind loads - and LeMessurier was wrong in his recalculations - the wind loads were less severe than he (and a woman student named Diane Hartley) thought - there was likely no threat of collapse at any time
@tjravnik1385 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being an established architect, has a building in new york city, then some student just walks in and shits on your desk.
@paulperry9861 Жыл бұрын
Then dresses it in a bow tie and names it bob the pooper 😂
@tymeier7570 Жыл бұрын
Hurricane: "fails to mess with the skyline" Two planes: "Fine I'll do it myself"
@tymeier7570 Жыл бұрын
And yes I feel horrible for this joke
@furriesinouterspaceUnited11 ай бұрын
📸
@eldenboi835411 ай бұрын
@@tymeier7570dawg
@KBLS26711 ай бұрын
💀💀💀 that joke flew over my head💀💀💀
@JustJJ-98 ай бұрын
I saw this building last time I was in NYC and was *so confused* on why anyone would build a building like that
@thelonewrangler1008 Жыл бұрын
This thing may still destroy part of the NYC skyline when it eventually tips over
@jonathanhalvorsen5930 Жыл бұрын
I guess he really meant it when he said stay steady
@GordonMeacham Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t a design flaw. It was a cost saving construction error. Bolts were used instead of welding.
@bowman4275 Жыл бұрын
Surely, all they had to do was make the building smaller, so it did not overhang the church?
@Gonzas97Күн бұрын
Guys, everything is fine, and now its a wonderful source of studying. No matter if you are an architect or an engineer.
@woofman00701 Жыл бұрын
It is the only building that I know in Manhattan that have double deck elevators .
@tommymaxey2665 Жыл бұрын
I read about this in one of my engineering text book. Stupid designs lead to stupid accidents. Thank God they fixed it in time
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
a NIST reanalysis using modern technology - says the wind loads weren't the danger that they thought back then - the building may not have needed to be reinforced at all
@mrwillss5888 Жыл бұрын
What a hideous building
@inmemoryofsydbarrett4 ай бұрын
It doesnt even seem like they gained much space with this design
@ANathan123 Жыл бұрын
It might be completely stable but it is also completely ugly
@RealUnHoly8 ай бұрын
Architect: “hmmm… it needs to be worse”
@liuminghao2919 Жыл бұрын
Can't believe I worked in this building for 2+ years.
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
it was probably more than safe since it was reinforced - a NIST study determined the wind loads weren't going to be as bad as thought - and the reinforcement may not have been necessary
@marywinchester5323 Жыл бұрын
Omg those guys sitting way above ground for lunch bac in the day. I DIE.
@jus10lewissr5 ай бұрын
I'd rather know about the building's issues and worry about it falling than having it fall and create a domino effect on multiple skyscrapers, not having any idea what was taking place, and thinking Manhattan was experiencing some sort of second 9/11.
@Damidas13 күн бұрын
I like how you don't explain what the design flaw was or what needed to be repaired in order to stabilize it
@markhylton157 Жыл бұрын
How on Earth they got away with that and not being punished
@RustingPeace Жыл бұрын
tell that epsteins friends
@LeBronyaJames Жыл бұрын
The government were influenced by currency
@Repleh Жыл бұрын
Got away with what? They followed NY City Design Standards.
@ddichny Жыл бұрын
Read the New Yorker article about it. It's actually a case study on how to do things right -- everyone involved put aside their egos, red tape, concerns about reputation, etc., and jumped in to quickly remedy the situation with a minimum of friction or delay.
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
@@ddichny - the new yorker article was published in 1995 - a lot has been learned about the situation since - such as a NIST reanalysis which determined that the winds were not the threat that the engineer thought they would be
@StrongEye Жыл бұрын
I remember that. Always had questions about it stability
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
not by engineers
@paulbeddows6014 Жыл бұрын
Don't trust the authorities to keep you safe.
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
the city and the red cross had planned for the evacuation of the building and surrounding buildings should the hurricane arrive
@eeeertoo25978 ай бұрын
I’ll trust the dumbass down the street instead or a youtube commenter lol
@edgoulart811 ай бұрын
"Nearly destroyed the whole skyline of NY, almost killed hundreds of thousands..." gosh how meaningless are words nowadays with the pressing need to impress. "Almost one of the worst disasters in history!"
@DomGaming50 Жыл бұрын
Bro everyone is lying. No way the first thing coming to your mind isnt 9/11 💀💀💀💀
@shawnaweesner3759 Жыл бұрын
It’s one of the ugliest buildings, so it needs to come down anyway!
@malcolmj.74099 ай бұрын
Real Civil Engineer would be furious
@ASuperiorNoob4 ай бұрын
We share a mind friend
@LordJimsworth4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@NoNameTaken117 Жыл бұрын
Good thing no buildings ever collapsed in New York after this, right?
@NathanMT1524 күн бұрын
You'll be surprised
@jeweljose21348 ай бұрын
This is why you shouldn't hire an architect but u should hire an engineer
@capital10118 күн бұрын
I walked underneath that building every day on my way too and from high school back in '78 -'81. Didn't have a care in the world until I found out about this years later. We just take for granted that everything is safe as it should be.
@Cool_Boygamr Жыл бұрын
this is why I like engineers more then architects lol simple but stable
@alalalus7692 Жыл бұрын
The main architect was not at fault and the student that discovered the issue was also an architect. That's why the inside jokes should stay inside, Architects and Engineers don't hate each other but people think there are fundamental conflicts between them simply because of an inside joke of one hating the other
@surfrescue32325 ай бұрын
More THEN architects? Oh you mean THAN.
@BrianKliewer Жыл бұрын
"Stay steady my friends!" 🖐😊
@Vince_0706 ай бұрын
It already ruined the skyline by its ugliness 😭
@1Kent8 ай бұрын
It was so serious they brought in Meryl Streep!
@williamj.dovejr.86134 ай бұрын
Looks like the skyscraper used in Superman III...
@JamesTDG Жыл бұрын
God damn architects! - RCE
@helsin211 Жыл бұрын
Imagine owning a church that was almost guilty of unaliving 200000 people
@NahumKaleb-zk6hh10 ай бұрын
its the architects fault for designing it poorly
@tonamg5310 ай бұрын
Why aren’t we talking about the government agency that approved the construction to ensure that the building is safe, structurally sound and is build according to all local law and environmental requirements? You know… the people that supposed to regulate and keep people safe from collapsing building?
@eeeertoo25978 ай бұрын
@@tonamg53the video already talks about it
@tonamg538 ай бұрын
@@eeeertoo2597 and which government agency would that be exactly? I must’ve kept missing it in the video
@sciencewithfun20523 ай бұрын
@@NahumKaleb-zk6hh it is church's fault for not giving enough space
@texaswunderkind Жыл бұрын
Most dangerous skyscraper in the world. I won't go near it even today.
@bigbk3278 Жыл бұрын
…ok
@bigbk3278 Жыл бұрын
ps it’s not 😉
@KumaFall Жыл бұрын
@@bigbk3278 I swear to god, don’t you do it
@michapiechowski1810 Жыл бұрын
That's terrifying. Thank god that NYC never had to endure a tragic collapse of one of it's buildings
@jaejadejaden8 ай бұрын
New York skyline changed for everyone circa. 2001...
@marym22 Жыл бұрын
They aren't stilts they are columns my friend. If you look at most of our skyscrapers they were very popular during the 20's and 30's. Architects were influenced by the French and liked to create atriums and courtyards with fountains ⛲️ and the French presented us a huge metal lady who actually lives in Jersy not NY.
@user-nj1zu2nf1x Жыл бұрын
Wrong
@massimookissed1023 Жыл бұрын
The statue and plinth are in NY, the gift shop at the other end of her island is in New Jersey.
@yearbyguy4470 Жыл бұрын
Wrong on so many levels
@captainredpill4135 Жыл бұрын
Crazy they put all those innocent people's lives at risk
@johneyon5257 Жыл бұрын
no one was in danger - NIST reanalysis using modern technology has determined that the wind loads weren't going to be an issue that the engineer thought - so the reinforcement may not even have been necessary - a reanalysis of the original structure needs to be done to be sure - - besides - using the calculations they had at the time - they determined that the triggering event would be high winds - it wasn't going to collapse at a random time - the Red Cross had plans to evacuate that building & surrounding buildings should high winds hit (and there was a hurricane headed up the coast during the reinforcement - but it diverted)
@AlejandroMonteagudo Жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: hire engineers, not architects
@Lucas264Ай бұрын
Press/phone call footage is from the movie “The Post” for anyone who doesn’t know
@kitadams49719 ай бұрын
Well there were 2 towers with the same problem, they later fixed that in 2001
@vertox78 Жыл бұрын
AT&T had already destroyed that NYC skyline.
@R463R Жыл бұрын
There’s a perfect opportunity, created by the architect, for everyone to scream, “Jenga‼️”, if a strong enough wind decides to remove the wrong brick.
@rons4620 Жыл бұрын
That shit happens only happens in a country where architects don't have to study engineering.
@hadawson722688 ай бұрын
Worked here … the building would creak in the wind in the upper floors .. crazy stuff
@MrRezRising7 ай бұрын
Since you didn't mention her, a HUGE shout out to Diana Hartley, the Princeton grad student who figured out the danger on her own and saved the day.
@VulpesAllium2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I don't live in a mainstream location.
@HCAZz12243 ай бұрын
Key takeaway. They won't tell you your building is about to collapse until after it collapses.
@clays15077 ай бұрын
Your story is slightly incorrect. I heard this story first hand from Bill LeMessurier himself in my structures class at Harvard in 1988. The design “flaw” was NOT the column off the corner. The flaw was that bolted connections were substituted for welded connections during the construction throughout the building. Repairs were done at night throughout the summer. It was never reported due to the new paper strike and non disclosure agreements. A great story none the less. Great channel!
@Boomer0458 ай бұрын
Yea that curious student saved NY from another devastating disaster.
@pippipster6767 Жыл бұрын
I am just waiting for him to say that if the building fell, it would knock down every building in the world… The domino effect 😂
@user-vo5og9mm5h7 ай бұрын
However many architects say that this building is masterpiece. This building is one of the best office buildings in nyc. The way to build it showed how to solve the problems with people as an architect
@urnoob55288 ай бұрын
also the engineer who designed this was perfectly confident but some ass changed his design in the construction and when he redid the calculation after knowing that, he aint so confident, in fact, he knew for a fact then it was a disaster waiting to fall bro got so depressed he considered committing suicide because this would ruin his career and he be in jail or some shit but in the end he gave up suicide and told the citicorp instead basically bro chose hero instead of villain and fixed the building, and even reimbursed watever costs for that
@wowo_3 Жыл бұрын
The things that were happened during that press strike must have been wild
@maurawitzel4313 Жыл бұрын
As an architect, I don't love that so many architects like to introduce complicated "solutions" for problems. Like there had to be a better design solution for this. And agreed with the other comments - real estate deals and developer contracts need to be better negotiated.
@Minimozmk23 ай бұрын
"Aguugh of course it was an architect" -Real Cival Engineer
@Anant-ik2lwАй бұрын
It wasn’t the architect this time
@Minimozmk2Ай бұрын
@@Anant-ik2lw but it was tho it said an architect made the stupid decision to put it on the edges possibly killing hundreds just to look cool.