They literally said had sukuna not been a reincarnated sorcerer he would have won yuji soul puches and dismantle wouldn't effect him at all everyone is cooked in the modern age even gojo the very story about jujutsu is literally meant for sukuna himself
@slimshazy28199 сағат бұрын
Nah Gojo would have undoubtedly won against Heian Sukuna just based on all his feats and performance against Meguna in their actual battle. Uraume is an all-time glazer. But yeah, everybody else would have been cooked if they had to fight Sukuna without another physical host.
@محمدمحمد-ح2ظ1م3 күн бұрын
0:51 It is funny how being in yutas curse energy level used as a nerf for sukuna
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
TRUE
@yutaoGOATsu2363 күн бұрын
Hot take but sukuna at the start of the raid is stronger than 15 finger sukuna in shibyua if these two versions was to fight I would give the edge to raid sukuna
@yaboiplank67643 күн бұрын
nah i dont see that being the case icl
@yutaoGOATsu2363 күн бұрын
@yaboiplank6764 I would take world slash over shrine any day
@Six-bw3ir3 күн бұрын
Yeah but only because of hax not actually power
@yutaoGOATsu2363 күн бұрын
@Six-bw3ir sukuna was constantly chanting to boost his output before yuta ripped out his second mouth so his output isn't as nerfed as some believe and his raw strength and physical ability are significantly enhanced by having a stronger and more durable body and not to mention 4 arms
@Six-bw3ir3 күн бұрын
@yutaoGOATsu236 Yes, sukuna was constantly chanting. Proving his output was in the gutter, sukuna normally never needs to chant his raw output would be enough, but it wasn't. And he still couldn't one shot the sorcerers with cleave.
@thegamingboydj19822 күн бұрын
This glaze for sukuna is crazy
@crim.13 күн бұрын
Awakened Yuji would rock his shit even more badly than he already did
@tag86993 күн бұрын
u cannot be serious
@ayashinightcore82822 күн бұрын
The yuji agenda
@aseratmulat42312 күн бұрын
Max lvl d sucking. Awakened plotji is still mahito victim
@rainofstone72322 күн бұрын
Let me hold your hand when I say this...
@aseratmulat42312 күн бұрын
@@crim.1 stop glazing the plot merchant. hes still maki victim
@SonJuraa3 күн бұрын
Yes and it’s not close😭 I barely even started the video and yes, he would run through them like a diddy party 😭🙏
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
Like a diddy party is INSANE 😭🐐
@SonJuraa3 күн бұрын
@ it’s da truth😭
@thegamingboydj19822 күн бұрын
Your glazing sukuna get his meat out of your mouth
@PxIarix3 күн бұрын
fresh 15 finger sukuna can domain whenever he wants, as many times as he needs. i don't know why its a question lol, not to mention cleave can kill yuta and yuji in a single hit since he did that to ryu and confirmed they were not more durable than him.
@maku38572 күн бұрын
Sukuna would get cooked, its not very hard to argue reincarnate sukuna is much stronger, even when he's way weaker getting hit with a hollow purple that might not have been normal+ his stamina is terrible, two fugas and 1 domain took him out.
@Bjames-g6g2 күн бұрын
Yes i know this is a yap session, There are some problems in the video like Yuta not having good barrier control compared to Gojo,when they swapped bodies Yuta learned everything Gojo did so he should have the same barrier control as Gojo or slightly worse because Gojo has the six eyes and is stronger and Yuta also has better cursed energy control after the switch and on top of that the Sukuna that fought Yuta and Yuji should have a higher output,do you really think a 20 finger equivalent Sukuna sustained enough damage to lower his output by a forth of what it was especially since he recovered his body to full without Rct,it was stated on the page we were revealed what Sukuna looked like and back to my point about output being more than 75 percent by this point he hadn't been hit much he had been hit by Yuji a few times and kashimo got 3 hits off before he transformed so even if they did do damage they would have been nullified by the transformation and his output should be refreshed after the transformation same thing with his Rct on top of that he sustained almost no damage his cursed energy reserves are almost infinite even if he had the same amount as Yuta he has a quarter less than 15 finger Sukuna and his domain output is still higher than 15 finger Sukuna's and the argument there is no proof to support this the same thing can be said about 15 finger Sukuna having higher output and cursed energy and Yuta would not die to malevolent shrine if choso who can't beat kenjaku and shouldn't be able to hold a candle to Raid Sukuna was surviving malevolent shrine until Sukuna used flame arrow if Yuta has Rika to heal him with Rct,himself to heal him with Rct and almost infinite cursed energy he will be fine and he most definitely knows simple domain and on the topic of malevolent shrine if Jogo is 8-9 Sukuna fingers strong and Kenjaku someone who could battle and possibly win against Hakari who through scaling would obliterate all the disaster curses at the same time Hakari should be around 11-13 fingers in base and in jackpot 14-15 at least and this Yuta Beats Hakari so Things are looking grim for 15 finger Sukuna and Yuji who is similar to Yuta in travel speed and trumps Rika boosted Yuta outside his domain after 8 black flashes he would Trump 15 finger Sukuna And a few soul dismantle later and Sukuna Is done and a Jacob's ladder from Yuta absolutely destroys Sukuna because if angel almost beat Sukuna with 1 Jacob's ladder what do you think is going to happen when Yuta hits him with a higher output Jacob's ladder
@slimshazy28198 сағат бұрын
It didn't have to do with "skill" when it came to why Yuta was inefficient in Gojo's body, it's because he's LITERALLY in another person's body, with ANOTHER person's abilities, while TRYING to manage the information he's perceiving with the Six Eyes. He literally states he's not used to being in Gojo's body nor was he used to using his "abnormally long" limbs to fight. That would throw off anybody lol. Yuta did better in his own body, with his own skills, against a much stronger Sukuna earlier in that fight. That tells you all you need to know about how much experience was worth. Yuta has a year and a half of training under his belt, meanwhile Sukuna has decades of experience. Yet Yuta (again, in his own body) was going to head to head with Sukuna, without any fear or acknowledgement of their being some immense gap between them in combat skill. The only reason Yuta had any cause for concern was Sukuna's World Slash, which is what he was referring to when he said if Gojo hadn't damaged him he would have healed and killed them instantly. But I mean, either way Yuta still got hit with it at point blank range and wasn't killed instantly so lol
@NonAryanDuck3 күн бұрын
More Lumiere peak is always welcomed. Also, this is one of my biggest pet peeves with series. So many characters are hyped up to have the potential to surpass the current strongest, and most of them can't even get past some of the weaker versions of the strongest. I feel like i got bamboozled 😭
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
YOU’RE THE GOAT BRO PRECIATE IT! AND YES BRO, the main cast was just lucky, cause Sukuna just wipes them realistically 😭🐐
@sam-ht6qv3 күн бұрын
No, none of them should have surpassed the top tiers. That would have been generic. The older generations should be stronger.
@NonAryanDuck3 күн бұрын
@sam-ht6qv Generic or not, that's what the author set up and never followed through on. Don't sell me an idea you have no intention of producing.
@yashaoftheflames8475Күн бұрын
No way people think the squad can't beat 15 finger shibuya Sukuna
@Lumiere300Күн бұрын
They couldn’t beat a Sukuna with his technique nerfed, no domain and no rct, while holding back, I don’t think it’s that crazy to say they can’t
@samuachille15202 күн бұрын
Honestly aside from he's feats with makora and jogo, 15f yujikuna don't have that much speed feat in the verse, he's kinda hard to scale, we have many unprecisions in jjk scaling, some part of the scaling are very ambiguous
@rodneyhudson3409Күн бұрын
Yooo W vid
@Lumiere300Күн бұрын
TY GOAT
@Rudy-y2b3 күн бұрын
Bro , are you done with fixing the stream?
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
@@Rudy-y2b ME AND JADED FIXING IT RN
@notdeus38343 күн бұрын
Havent watched full vid yet if 15 finger then he's cooked because he won't have kamutoke. In his fight against Maki and Yuji, it was made pretty clear that the defining factor for Sukuna is brutality and force of his CT. He then goes on to praise Uraume for freezing Maki, to me implying that she would have been an issue even if the frozen star was there. Sukuna literally says he can move just fine, it's his CT thats the issue. Then there was the time Yuji thought Yuta might be able to stop 15 finger Sukuna which is plausible given that we know that Rika can perform RCT. As long as no MS or cleave, Yuta should be fine with his own RCT + Rika amplifying it. I don't think he'd win but Yujis vote of confidence communicates a lot because it was his body in the end flying around terrorizing Jogo and big Raga the Opp stoppa. He remembers everything and despite that feels Yuta might be able to do something... If he has no CT, then he will end up fighting Yuta which won't end well for him considering... well, it's Yuta. Yuta is a bad match up for someone with CT because of Rika + thr cursed tools he'll have stored. No 4 arms means no HWB (but he can definitely do Simple domain imo but then thats gone be an issue anyway because of Yuta's swords)... suppose he manages to knock out Yuta then Maki comes in. Yeah, bro gets melted... maybe i am completely misinterpreting.
@Buraq786-bm1uh3 күн бұрын
I think you are underestimating Sukuna a bit. He one tapped angel in Yuji's body and knocked out Yuji in a single hit in Megumi's body, Yuta isn't as durable as Ryu so I doubt he'd survive a single full power dismantle from Sukuna and Sukuna would blitz him BADLY Yuta was relative in speed to Ishigori and we all know what happened to him, even without his CT he is too fast for Yuta and is physically stronger, a couple of hits would put Yuta in a coffin
@notdeus38343 күн бұрын
@Buraq786-bm1uh I appreciate the thought and you are probably right, I might be under estimating him. While Yuta isn't as durable as Ryu, he's still comparable. Mind you, Sukuna had no grounds to go off when comparing Yuta and Yuji to Ryu. For yuji, he does but he never got the chance to fight Yuta. Ryu consistently praised Yutas durability and his praise isnt unfounded given that Yuta one handed granite blast, which probably is on JJK 0 Getos Uzumaki level. When Ryu got hit by his own attack, he displayed discomfort and Uro was just knocked out. Mind you, Uro got her ass beat by Sukuna and Yorozu meaning she defo got dismantled a fair bit. When putting that into perspective, the strength of dismantle isn't an issue for Yuta, just bullet hell Sukuna can unleash but that is usually pretty easy to recognize as he puts his hand on his shoulder while pointing. Even in that case, Yuta should be fine with unleashing his cursed energy explosively as counter. That's how choso blocked Sukunas barrage, after all. Yuta is definitely on a larger scale than choso. I mean look at his fight with the cockroach As for the blitz, I think that was because Ryu focused on charging up granite blast which gave Sukuna the space to bop him. In fact the same thing happened with Yuta and Ryu except Ryu managed to fire it off as Yutas fist was on his face. He got distracted once and Yuta was on top of him, about to put his face and a shirt
@Buraq786-bm1uh3 күн бұрын
@@notdeus3834 Ryu when he got hit by his Granite blast was already extremely weakened, the reason Sukuna praised Ryu was because Sukuna's strongest dismantle didn't go through him, the same dismantle cut Mahoraga's upper half in two and his basic dismantles were ripping Jogo apart Yuta never displayed that level of durability to Sukuna so that's why he said he and Yuji are not as durable as Ryu, a full power 15 finger dismantle would likely go through them As for the blitz, Ryu couldn't even see Sukuna coming before he was already behind him and had cleaved his head off. Ryu's durability is probably second only to Gojo and Sukuna himself
@fictionfan41002 күн бұрын
Completely incorrect. There should be no reason why he doesn’t have his kamutoke but even if we go with that, this Sukuna isn’t holding back and would just massacre them before they can launch the domain. Secondly Sukuna who has fought both Yuta and Ryu and has an accurate gauge of both of them. If Sukuna says Ryu is more durable that Yuta means it so all Sukuna would need to do is touch them once and he already has a speed and power advantage. Not to mention he has his domain. And an accurate translation, Sukuna comments on his physical movement meaning he can move fine he is still nerfed. Also common sense if Maki got speed blitzed and one shot by a Sukuna that was below 50% of his CE no rct no domain damaged heart and soul with missing arms what could maki possibly do to healthy 15f Sukuna
@notdeus38342 күн бұрын
@fictionfan4100 I don't understand your argument. I assumed the video was referring to 15 finger Yujikuna. That means he hasn't boxed with Yorozu yet, meaning no kamutoke. You are saying that Sukuna can move fine but he is nerfed. Which is true because Sukuna is a Jujutsu Sorceror meaning his strength lies predominantly with his jujutsu. Taking away his jujutsu is like taking away a sword from a swordsman. His combat experience will buy his time but against floyd Mayweather, it's only a matter of time before he is dropped. Sukuna has ample mobility, can throw hands at his peak, can air hop but can't use his jujutsu. In this sense, since he doesn't have kamutoke, he'd have his technique taken away which would put him in a situation exactly like when he fought Yuji and Maki, to which he wasn't able to keep ground because of Maki's presence. Maki and Toji are usually lauded as the physical peaks. Sukuna even tweaked out over this. Someone who refined his jujutsu vs someone who refined her body. As for the blitz part, I wouldn't count that because Sukuna was right in front of her while she was not in a guard position. He restrained her sword then whacked her with black flash on womens day. Heck the only personal Maki is losing to physically are probably Kenjaku, and Gojo since they canonically have the best cqc in the verse (im viewing this from an equalized stats pov)
@notaseaplayer52672 күн бұрын
Well since this a hypothetical if yuta notices that sukuna regained his rct and his domain wouldnt he just go 5 minutes and shoot out jacob's ladder since angel manage to do it assuming this is reincarnated sukuna. Dont take this the wrong way im just curious, and i dont know if there is a difference in speed for 15 fingers shibuya and pre-restricted soul meguna in speed because angel immediately manage to low diff him with jacob ladder, so it is a wincon.
@aydantesillo95203 күн бұрын
How much different would this be if this version wouldn’t have gone urame tool, and he got his curse technique taken away. Does he still solo the Shinjuku showdown?
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
@@aydantesillo9520 If the tool gets taken away, it wouldn’t matter much, but the CT, would definitely change everything, HE’S GETTING COOKED
@hihello-sk5ql3 күн бұрын
@@Lumiere300The guy still has Yujis body eith his Insane output, If he doesnt play around he's casually stomping Higuruma and then proceeds to casually neg diff everyone else, as he eouldnt even let Yuji touch him
@neferpitou.3 күн бұрын
If he got this cursed technique taken, he would not play around and would actively donut all of them like choso, but i believe if that happened, killing higurama would bring it back it wont be fun if he cant use his ct
@ThePsycoNinja3 күн бұрын
Nice video. But I gotta say, they straight up admitted that even fighting together they would have been blitzed, aka defeated immediately, if not for Gojo fighting first. By this time everyone was stronger than they were during 15 finger Sukuna's fight in the city. Now they have new techniques and things like RCT are more common and with all they against a hurt sukuna they still would have been blitzed
@memmalatelmorganii77793 күн бұрын
You should make a video talking about how kashimo is the 3rd strongest, he can keep up and out perform jackpot Hakari who is on par with yuta from yuta’s own statement and throughout the kashimo vs hakari fight kashimo didn’t get his stun punches that he usually gets because of hakari’s infinite curse energy so kashimo after 4 punches or blocks has a lightning bolt that yuta will have to spam RCT for which will bring down his CE and his stun punches will just be making it free eats, he honestly should of killed Hakari 5+ times especially that blow to the head, kashimo only lost because Hakari legit teleported him into water which drained his CE and then still made a mini bomb to then Hakari used a unknown binding vow to then save his life and only lose his arm. So Mr punch kick got saved by plot ngl Only issue for kashimo is domains but for yuta for example he has to pick up a sword and hit kashimo which I don’t think is happening too much as kashimo stun and lighting would just be chipping away at yuta at large margin’s especially if he aims for the head straight away into the fight like he did with Hakari A different video idea would be if kashimo didn’t have a restriction on his curse technique and can use it all the time and we put him in the center of the culling games like the mahoraga video.
@Gdrez3 күн бұрын
Did he actually say 5 fingers isnt a make or break of this fight??? 1:39 😭😭😭 Its just Meguna but Better physicals thats the only difference from Meguna and Yujikuna and ig No 10 shadows
@ThePsycoNinja3 күн бұрын
@@Gdrez it's not physicals. Itadori has a superhuman body naturally but it's not even close to the movement and power of 3 finger sukuna. And he died easily without a heart unlike sukuna. Sukuna's stats come from his CE. The most by far in the series. And in megumi's body he has 100% of it unlike in Yuji's body. But people keep saying Yujikuna has physical feats he doesn't. Meguna and heian sukuna are his strongest forms
@hihello-sk5ql3 күн бұрын
@@ThePsycoNinjaYuji's body could keep up with a heavenly restricted body, give Sukuna a heavenly restricted body with none of the drawbacks and add on his insane putput which one would have better physicals?
@ThePsycoNinja2 күн бұрын
@hihello-sk5ql insane output? You mean the black flash 200% output? Yuji only got those feats as stats because of Sukuna being in his body. Sukuna can't do those things. Yuji's will is his main feat that let's him do what he does. It's literally talked about. He is usually amped because of black flash. I don't know what other output you're talking about that is supposed to surpass Sukuna in any way. But it's quite clear, Yuji with his physical feats has never done anything close to what Sukuna has with far less of his full power. And maki nor toji are even close to Goji in speed. Math ain't mathing. Yuji even says they would have lost immediately to sukuna in his weakened state if not for Gojo. Meguna doesn't have less physicals if he can not pass out from standard gojo punches. Yuji actailly spent a great deal of time trying to fight Choso. Choso is literally physical fodder in this conversation. So you've gotta explain in detail how you're putting Yuji on this level
@randomgamerkid20Күн бұрын
Besides of Satoru Gojo of course
@Lumiere300Күн бұрын
OFC, he's truly the honored one
@Rimuru__Tempest___3 күн бұрын
Raid Yuta at the very least high-extreme diffs 15f sukuna If a pre-raid yuji can even slightly keep pace with 15 finger sukuna even being carried by fully awakened maki, a Full power raid yuta isn’t gonna take too much difficulty to beat most likely
@hihello-sk5ql3 күн бұрын
If you take away Suiunas domain sure, jacobs ladder kinda beats Yujikuna since he cant use hollow eicker basket, if you dont though, then Malevolent shrine solos
@Levathon2 күн бұрын
Sukuna blitzes and oneshots. Sukuna held back against them, as always. He sees Yuji as boring and we know he didn't go all out on maki until 253. Pre-raid Yuji with his CE amped by his rage btw.
@Rimuru__Tempest___2 күн бұрын
@@Levathon sukuna never holds back against yuji because he finds him boring, and it can be argued that he doesn’t if not barely holds back against maki because of his fascination
@XKIRA3763 күн бұрын
Logical Take: Heian sukuna beats the entire modern cast even with gojo .
@dougwardlaw89783 күн бұрын
If you mean all of them together then hell no
@XKIRA3763 күн бұрын
@ pops domain and slaughters the entire cast besides gojo, beats gojo, had 2 curse tools for the rest of any surviving cast and could pop domain again if needed for the rest of the cast
@emmanueldasilva443 күн бұрын
@@XKIRA376it depends. Are we talking heian era sukuna before reincarnating into yuji, or is this hypothetical full power heian era sukuna with world cutting slash(would need to make the chants, and point to use). Now I don't get paid to talk about who'd win in the rematch of Gojo vs heian sukuna but I'll just say it's really close.
@Trinity.1s3 күн бұрын
@XKIRA376 yuki amd yorozu could take him out with their hax
@tyrewillis98413 күн бұрын
Na that'd be impossible. keep in mind He wouldn't have months to plan for gojo's abilities like he did in the series. on top of that, no world slash, which he needed to kill both gojo and temporarily remove yuta from the fight. and he wouldn't have been able to heal himself through reincarnation, like he did for the kashimo, fight. so if he did manage to beat gojo, he'd be starting off a lot weaker than he did in the series and wouldn't have some of the hack's abilities he gained in the series.
@dougwardlaw89783 күн бұрын
15 f sukuna is getting washed by kashimo alone,what are you on about he wasnt a problem he lit wasnt affected by kamu toke ,blitzed him several times,hes able to lit give him bruises and show actual damage and he clashed with him at base and this damaged sukuna was able to dodge em waves
@Lumiere3003 күн бұрын
I debunked the "blitzes" in the vid, Meguna is literally on his last legs, still reacting and dodging to some of kashimo's attacks, If Sukuna was healed, that boy is getting SLAMMED
@dougwardlaw89783 күн бұрын
@@Lumiere300 yeah reacting ,not dodging that's 2 different things. Kashimo dodged the wc slash which gojo couldn't even react to and gojo is faster than meguna easily and dont say "he warned and got his arm cut off" bc getting warned doesn't change anything and unlike gojo he can react to it and at the very least get out of the way of the attack
@PxIarix3 күн бұрын
@@dougwardlaw8978 kashimo was warned about the slash, maki was also able to dodge it. 15 finger sukuna kept up with post prison realm gojo, or at least he was fast enough to easily intercept him from trying to kill kenjaku. gojo is not a lot faster than sukuna, the only reason he performed so well was because he landed black flashes and got stronger, while sukuna was getting weaker because he didnt land any black flashes. lmao
@hihello-sk5ql3 күн бұрын
@@dougwardlaw8978Sukuna literally had to make a binding vow to get through Gojo's six eyes and instantly fire off the world slash, your arguments are ass ngl
@jmiesterlifeiscool4047Күн бұрын
@@dougwardlaw8978Gojo didn’t dodge wcs because he didn’t see it coming, Sukuna literally told Kashimo “dodge this” before he finished his incanctation and pointed in Kashimo’s direction
@Guilherm_Conceicao3 күн бұрын
He solos and it's not close, only loses to Gojo🙏
@aseratmulat42312 күн бұрын
He's not losing to gojo lol😂
@Guilherm_Conceicao2 күн бұрын
@@aseratmulat4231no, Gojo high diff at most
@Guilherm_Conceicao2 күн бұрын
@@aseratmulat4231 no, Gojo high diff at most
@aseratmulat42312 күн бұрын
@Guilherm_Conceicao "gojo high diffs at most" bro lost to a holding back sukuna in kids body lol
@Levathon2 күн бұрын
@@aseratmulat4231 Lol you're funny Holding back how, Holding back how much? You're never answering this. Btw narrator statements and sukuna statements contradict many of Gojo's words in chapter 236, not everything Gojo says is correct. Btw that kids body had a top 2 CT in the verse, and he couldn't have won without it.
@Lamorak2413 күн бұрын
Old Yuta victim. Btw, Yuta does in fact have much better barrier techniques than Gojo
@blessinganwana98543 күн бұрын
Prove that rn on the spot
@Lamorak2413 күн бұрын
@ Specify what to prove first
@blessinganwana98543 күн бұрын
@@Lamorak241 that gojo has worst barrier techniques than yuta that first
@Lamorak2413 күн бұрын
@blessinganwana9854 Maybe because of the fact Yuta can do everything Gojo can with barrier techniques and more
@blessinganwana98543 күн бұрын
@@Lamorak241 if you're referring to him being able to choose his targets inside a domain dagon can do that as well. It isn't really too impressive plus if you wanna say he's still equal because of his clash against sukuna prove that he can do that lvl of barrier techniques in his own body because gojo's body had the six eyes plus muscle memory of using a small domain