This Tank Was Faced With A Confusing Dilemma | Overwatch 2 Spectating

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[@lizzfrmhon]

I wish OW would change the replay colors so that your team is always blue. It’s confusing to see ppl shooting at characters with blue outlines.

[@overratedfool6900]

The biggest problem for me is the colours through walls. Because in the replay you don't just see the enemies the wrong colour, but you see them through walls now too. That really messes with my head. From not being able to see them all in in game, to seeing their blue outlines through walls in replay really messes with me. Also, then if you have a Widow on your team... FML her ult piles on the confusion as the enemies go back to being red when behind walls but still blue in the open...

[@antoineszturemski329]

If his brig is asking for peel against a comp with no flankers on gibraltar, you know its a skill issue and they should rather be playing an other supp imo

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

I 100% believe it was that Brig complaining because everyone else made swaps to beat the Jog except the Brig who never had a shield because of the pressure from two hitscans

[@Dredgenn]

⁠@@Antonio-ys5zdIf brig swapped to ana they could have probably won bc of being a hitscan while scoping…., kinda countering pharah echo and juno

[@TheTossedOne]

@@Antonio-ys5zd Are you confused? They're agreeing the Brig should have swapped earlier.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

@@TheTossedOne misread. My bad

[@azseal2669]

As a Brig enjoyer; you're right, they were the issue.

[@Syn4TheWin]

I think one thing a lot of popular streamers could convey better is how DYNAMIC the concept of positioning is. What a players starts off thinking could be a “good” position could actually be a good position for the moment, but then could become unfavorable if the target then adjusts.

[@azseal2669]

Emongg does that, mostly, but the advice that is handed out will be different for every role, rank and hero. Good positioning for Ana looks way different to good positioning to even Kiriko and Bap, for example. It's also heavily dependent on team comp and where your team wants to hold, how many players are alive, where the teamfight is happening etc. There will be universal constants like "don't stand out in the open" and "use cover", but everything else is relative and subjective. Teaching that is hard, because how do you teach someone how to do something that will need to eventually become second nature like breathing? By telling them to keep doing it, because there's no other way to learn except through experience. You tell them the theory, but they've gotta put in the practice to get better at it, like everything else. We all start somewhere but it's through practice and experience that we get better.

[@Matthiass721]

Everyone should watch spilos video on killbox/the line

[@lumines.6622]

The support reaction was to blame the tank but idrk about that. Yeah they had some blame, but the Ana was nading the Hog when he either had full health or when Kiri could easily cleanse it. Some of the fault is really hers.

[@rudyranger249]

I find dva to be similar to lucio. It's very easy to be lost on what you want to do but when you know what to do it's very easy to climb to high ranks.

[@Koselill]

The last two-three minutes I think is a testament to what they actually can do on Dva. Everything before was just confusion from the rest of the team. The brig running in alone by herself when she's playing with a comp that doesnt really play to brigs strengths and then yelling at Dva for not protecting them is just ridiculous. Ahh yes, playing Brig with a Juno that flies away, a Reaper that flanks, a Soldier that runs away and a Dva that dives. Absolutely amazing lmao

[@joecantina7580]

I also think it helped that the enemy tank swapped off hog, so the supports felt less pressure, which resulted in them not calling out our DVA. So the DVA was able to play how they want to play, vs trying to do how the want to play and listen to their teammates

[@DarkestNova556]

The problem is that their team probably didn’t say it once or twice but the entire game. Overwatch is a game where not listening to your teammates can result in them throwing the entire game. It’s hard to know when to do your own thing and when to follow orders. And as for not being aggressive enough, that’s probably because of how their team is telling them to play.

[@Maidandthepocketwatchofblood]

You can't win for losing with those teammates. It's honestly better to simply ignore them and let them cry into a vacuum. if you lose you lose. Not the end of the world.

[@azseal2669]

I think the real issue was one of the opinions was from someone who was determined to play a hero against hard counters, on a map that doesn't favour her and is known as the "peel/anti-flanker" support but was playing against poke. If that person had swapped to literally any other support then you might have a point. But starting as Brig right out the gate and then continuously feeding whilst blaming the tank is not it, dawg. They're the 1 person on the team you don't need to listen to, in that situation.

[@seanjohnston565]

I mean, don't listen to what your plat teammates are saying when they criticized your gameplay. They are as clueless as you, and your goal should be to find ways for "you" to win more consistently. Their sad drivel is detrimental for your own progress in figuring out the game. Just go in and mute all chat channels. Tbh, if you need coms to win in metal ranks, you'd be better off learning out how to adapt and play around the situation rather than rely on the one time coms actually have a overwhealmingly positive impact for the W, a week.

[@rapidfirer56]

12:47 Man that horn had me thinking someone was at my house at 9 PM xD

[@spartax8986]

The thing about plat is a good portion of games come down to a tank diff. And that's a problem because even if your tank plays well the team will almost always blame them instead of just accepting that they got beat by a better team lol it happens. This game was winnable but it had nothing to do with DVa

[@gustavodias3570]

Not to mention a lot of teams lose because they don’t swap, even if they die a thousand times, that’s what happened with the brig here.

[@spartax8986]

@@gustavodias3570 absolutely

[@Xayr]

100% shouldnt be in plat with those decision-making skills, just saying

[@ax7player728]

Yeah I have way more stressful long fights and games on silver 3 to gold 5 games. Makes no sense to me how ranks work rip

[@danielalvarez1230]

@@ax7player728 I’m sorry but if you’re having “stressful” fights in that elo is a skill issue. Bad positioning is what makes fights stressful as you don’t have anywhere to fall back and wait for them to make a mistake, because nobody in those elos plays close to perfect, I was there and even lower myself a while back.

[@lynxer3808]

I didnt know a brig could get to plat by playing frontline. Playing like the people i see in my silver games.

[@ok-uz9pm]

plat isnt a super high rank vro ppl still make a lotta mistakes

[@andersj91]

@@ax7player728 This person is much better than you. If you think this is sloppy watch your and other players' POV in your matches it will be a disaster. The amount of low metal rank players I see commenting about quality of play in Emongg videos only to make 3-5x the amount of mistakes is unfathomable.

[@Dredgenn]

So basically their team couldn’t get anything done and put all the pressure on dva?

[@Dredgenn]

They also could’ve played a little bit better but the team probably made it a worse experience for them

[@JayBee-yq2yv]

The supports certainly did despite the brig not even being the right hero for the map, brig is not made for Gibraltar she's a poke hero not a dive hero. And Gibraltar is very much a dive map.

[@Dredgenn]

@@JayBee-yq2yvI mean… heroes can work in any map by playing correctly (ex: not overextending, etc.) Although roadhog, pharah, echo and juno aren’t a good matchup for brig, honestly I would’ve went bap or ana

[@Dredgenn]

Probably ana to hardcounter the hog

[@andersj91]

@@Dredgenn "A little better" is a wild statement. This vod was basically mistake after mistake.

[@Waffl3B1T]

ALRIGHT SO!!

[@ventureluvr_]

ALRIGHT SO

[@wolfgangkukla877]

ALRIGHT SO

[@BlobTempest]

ALRIGHT so?

[@omrizubary]

In today's video

[@jerromynolting1139]

o yes the damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@seanlamontagne4751]

8:00 my anxiety even though there was 17 minutes left in the vid

[@lizzfrmhon]

I would say also he or she is never aiming for the head. He is only aiming at the body which hardly does anything at all with dva guns from even a short distance. She’s peppering Hog with bullets to his belly which do basically no damage and only serve to feed his ult.

[@xinlu2806]

This was very helpful, i am also a plat 4 dva main who struggles with similar issues.

[@lizzfrmhon]

To me playing Brig on attack in Gibraltar is questionable.

[@necrosis6037]

Truth. She’s pretty good on defense if there’s dive, but other than that

[@KhotaMaz]

I can't lie though, if I was that tank I woulda swapped to something else. Not because DVa is bad on Gibraltar, but because that backline is just not nearly good enough to help a dva who's meant to be diving. Like how is a brig juno meant to help with a hog soldier and sojourn, when they're playing ana kiri. The reality is the DPS also couldn't do anything cus they were just getting rolled. Yes the DVa could have improved and done things better but as someone in this rank, I can't dive the backline cus dps are right there and they turn and explode me, can't stay and fight hog cus I can't block the hook and I cant REALLY target the dps cus I don't have the healing

[@damon6086]

i feel this tank. Tank can be overwhelming because you literally have a target on your back the entire game. Whether it's the enemy team focusing you down or your teammates looking for a scapegoat on why they lost, tanks just don't win even when they do win.

[@djlemon40]

22:40 butt implants 😂😂😂 definitely curious where that came into a conversation

[@coreypark3244]

Name of one of dvas supports

[@kakarott545]

Some people are really sensitive as hell especially in plat or below. They just stop playing the game blaming the supports for not healing whereas in fact they are playing the game getting kills and healing but the numbers dont show for it since he is playing lucio. Was a winnable game in clash but the tank just sat there typing blaming the supports. So if you dont listen to that player they end up throwing by complaining that the other person is throwing which is actually funny and annoying.

[@lizzfrmhon]

Also Dva’s rockets do basically zero damage from afar. Dva needs to be very economical with her defense matrix and dive in with her rockets when you’re sure that you will get a kill.

[@WhittierElsie]

789 Cameron Ford

[@lizzfrmhon]

In that team comp an Orisa is very effective against Road Hog or a Junker Queen

[@aimlesswitch]

this is them being aggressive?

[@asussurge670]

Oh it’s creamy

[@Isamueditz101]

NOTICE ME!!!

[@With_Slab]

Can console post their overwatch games on discord for you to watch? If so then please tell me how. Also anybody knows how to do this just tell me.

[@overratedfool6900]

Yes they can. I'm not sure where to begin with the "how", because I'm not sure any part of it is confusing.

[@With_Slab]

@@overratedfool6900 ok I just wanted to know if you can post it as a console player thanks for letting me know and I'll figure it out how to post it as I learn more.

[@YoutubeFie]

The beginning is like.......why are you playing ground Dva? How is this Plat? Plat players are smarter than this.

[@oricebucket]

I think it's because games are only matched by MMR, and being a new player, Blizzard just gave them plat for a false encouragement so they will play longer. Customer retention mechanics.

[@overratedfool6900]

@@oricebucket You think that losing 70% of their games for the next month will make them more likely to keep playing? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oricebucket]

@@overratedfool6900 I'm one of those who quitted. It's getting stupid honestly. Granted I'm not the best player, constant Plat since OW1 launch. Now the latest season put me in silver.

[@overratedfool6900]

@@oricebucket I don't see how your situation is the same as somebody who is new. It's also obviously not just (or even mostly) your placements that made you quit (if this even ends up being a quit). Also, let's be very clear, if you've been placed two ranks below where you belong, you'll carry in those games so hard, you'll be back in your own rank in no time at all. I got placed in silver 4 on support this season, a rank below where I belong. I wanted to complete all placements on Ana, a hero which just doesn't work in those ranks. Your whole team just constantly LOS you every game. As soon as I swapped to Bap, I won nearly every game and was back in gold in two sessions. Being placed wrongly just isn't a big deal. It's very easy to get back to where you belong. I can't even begin to imagine how hard you can carry in games two ranks below where you belong lol, you should literally win every game.

[@oricebucket]

@@overratedfool6900 I think I went out of point a little. Yea, you are right, the DVA will probably lose a lot of games in future, it doesn't look like plat gameplay.

[@djlemon40]

How is this plat? Definitely got lucky win streak

[@xToukoXx]

If this is actully plat i deserve diamond atleast, as plat 4 dva main. gotta grind more

[@Iscoileachme]

It's easier to see another person's mistakes especially when they all get pointed out by someone who knows a lot about the game. Maybe you genuinely happen to get better enemies in your games or something, and probably you don't make some of this person's mistakes but do others not adjusting well enough to the situation. Plat is just slightly above the trash ranks and is still absolutely a laughing stock for actually good players, I hate this plat ego thing so much.

[@ender0998]

@@Iscoileachme As som1 who shares the same sentiment as you, I have to disagree. For most of the vod, this tank didnt have plat level decision making skills nor good resource management. They have only played for 2 months so its expected. They just got lucky with placements.

[@Iscoileachme]

@@ender0998 yes, I kind of forgot that bit as I was focused on making a different point. That makes sense, and you're absolutely right, I'm just tired of all the rank shaming in the community, especially when it mostly comes from "the middle of the pack" one losing streak away from those miserable silver/gold losers.

[@verragrey333]

93 views in 6 mins bro fell off