This Time Around, EVs Are Too Big To Fail!

[@WestOfEarth]

China is going full steam toward EVs, Europe too, while Luddites in America are doing their best to stave off progress. It's like horse and buggy sellers fighting the advent of the automobile.

[@mrxmry3264]

yeah, the klump is gonna force the USA back to the 18th century with oil and coal and other nasty crap. "clean coal"??? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!!!

[@EbenBransome]

I think really it's more like the 50s to the 70s when the US car industry settled for making land yachts with inefficient V8 engines, poor steering and brakes, and wondered why the rest of the world did not want them. The fuel crisis caused a culture change but also led to many foreign imports resulting in protectionism and foreign companies making cars in the US while Ford and GM fell further behind. Musk is desperate because if history repeats itself the Chinese car companies will build factories in the US and outcompete Tesla.

[@mikewallace8087]

Oh look TE removed a comment . A horse and automobile comparison is erroneous . The comparison is Automobile power plants.

[@WestOfEarth]

@@mikewallace8087 and that's where your short-sightedness shows through. You THINK it's only a comparison between power plants. But it's far, far more paradigm shifting than that.

[@nicholsonscience6229]

Fossil fuels are less expensive in America.

[@Knott1701]

i can't help but be reminded of the tram networks in US and UK cities, they were successful before being bought by the auto industry and shut down. Like with public transport's the US could end up being an outlier of a closed market whilst the rest of the world moves on. Heck, look at healthcare or shootings. The US is nuts

[@mikewallace8087]

Knott please stay in the UK and enjoy your lack of freedoms.

[@EbenBransome]

The UK still has trams in places, the problem with them is they can't run enough lines quickly to meet reconstruction whereas it's easy to add bus routes. The first electric buses, partly using dedicated routes, arrive in our town next April.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@EbenBransome also they're dangerous to pedestrians, cyclists, pushchairs, wheelchairs users and passengers. The London Underground and Elizabeth Line are far cheaper because they carry more people, for longer, safer and cheaper and don't clog up surface streets. Electric buses are the bet bet for surface streets. Only ignorant fan boys who probably by whatever tat Apple creates, and use a Magic Mouse which they adamantly defend as design genius while wondering why they have RSI, promote trams.

[@RedRouge-j4j]

Have you used buses in a more rural setting? Where I live bus companies update routes whenever & we don't know, regular services get minor time tweeks so less predictable, every new "controller" sees more tweeks, and they ultimately save a bus or a driver, that is huge savings, and huge confusion. Last week I saw 3 dead buses. A bus that was about to arrive for me then suddenly disappeared from the live map. Bad maintenance. All of which convinces passengers to find alternatives. And don't even get me started on buses that leave early, so we miss connections.................... because of pot holes & repairs/stoppages/temporary lights on UK roads. We share your pain US. I liked the Toronto trams when I was there BTW.

[@EbenBransome]

@RedRouge-j4j Oh I agree but the op was about cities

[@WooShell]

Since EVs have been in our family for over a century now, *they* are not going to take them from me unless they pry the keys from me cold dead hands.. no matter what the governments of the world do, I'm not going to a dino juice car ever again.

[@jamespaul2587]

There's no such thing as a dino juice vehicle.

[@WooShell]

@@jamespaul2587 the crude oil in the ground, from which gas and other fuels are distilled, comes from rotting bio mass millions of years old, so old trees and dinosaurs.

[@jamespaul2587]

@WooShell nope, rotting vegetation not dinosaurs

[@thetj8243]

Biomass could be anything. And when it is already decomposed to crude oil nobody can tell if part of the carbon was or wasn't a dino 🤷 even as it most likely wasn't, it needed to be in the ground as dinosaurs would be 🤷

[@WooShell]

@@thetj8243 sheesh, you must be tons of fun at parties..

[@iandodds7826]

Your episodes are always very informative. And you sure know your stuff.

[@bobnelsonfr]

One last, VERY important fact: sometime in 2025 or 2026 at the latest, BEVs will reach price parity with ICEs. Since BEV maintenance is less costly than ICE maintenance, overall BEV ownership cost will be lower than ICE. The market will do its thing.

[@ctsb5838]

Price parity with ICE might come soon (if not already in China) but I expect it might take a year or two longer to reach US shores?

[@jameshiggins-thomas9617]

I don't see price parity being "on the doorstep" in the US yet. 🤔

[@bobnelsonfr]

@@jameshiggins-thomas9617 Without tariffs, it would be very soon. With tariffs, it will take longer. The American "solution", with too-expensive cars being "protected" by tariffs, renders American cars completely uncompetitive in all markets except the US. Not a good long-term idea. We've seen this movie before, forty years ago, when tariffs failed to prevent economic Japanese cars from taking half of the US market.

[@Thisoldhiker]

@@jameshiggins-thomas9617 I agree. Between 40% larger vehicles, and 40% longer range requirements, a US market EV needs about twice the battery capacity of one for the European market. The median EV for the US market will probably end up at over 100 kWh. That makes price parity much more difficult.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@Thisoldhiker Even the compliance cars from the turn to the century can handle typical US usage. The average commute in the US is 27miles. Commuting makes up about 30% of trips, which works out to 90miles/day on average. The original RAV4, that got sued out of existence over the use of NiMH batteries, has an EPA rated range of 95 mi (153 km).[from wikipedia] Even the EV-1, which GM scrapped in order to sell the patents to Texaco, had an EPA range of 105 mi (169 km) if equipped with a NiMH battery. The lead-acid version was limited to 78 mi (126 km).

[@bobnelsonfr]

My wife and I are long-distance snowbirds - summer in Calais, France and winter in Yuma, Arizona. Last summer, we ordered a Renault Scénic, a very nice BEV SUV... but cancelled it because it was way late for delivery. In the less-than-six-months since then, the market has seen the arrival of new BEV SUVs from Spain (Cupra), Chechia (Skoda), France (Citroën and Peugeot), Germany (Opel) and Italy (Fiat). Also a bunch of Chinese that I can't keep track of! IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS! The avalanche will carry away anyone who stands in its way.

[@camrodger8638]

Your petrol automobile may run out of gas, but my horse will never run out of grass! These infernal petrol burners will never succeed. I’ll never give up the reins of my horse.

[@midnight4109]

EV's are clearly here to stay which is more obvious every day. Getting rid of them altogether would be like outlawing computers, which make up a significant portion of the EV itself.

[@davemoore5222]

That makes me think - how many of the microprocessors and ICs used in “US made” computers are manufactured in China? If it’s more than 50%, then Trump’s ban could indeed outlaw computers - well many new ones anyway.

[@junehanzawa5165]

​@@davemoore5222 That's why the CHIPS act was passed and the top chips makers in the world have been building mega factories in America.

[@eddiedelahoz]

As usual your point of view is powerfully honest and important knowledge.

[@alancadorette3447]

I remember long time ago I saw on a TV show that a roadster was driven off at end of show by one of the actors , and I remember thinking I got to get something like that. that was when I started looking into EV , then bought my Bolt in 2017. love this car

[@freeheeler09]

Solar, home batteries and EVs have passed the utility and safety hurdles. They work very well! Solar panels are now reasonably priced, and RVs and home batteries, while still unaffordable to most, are dropping in price. Some brilliant engineer will eventually make a 50 kWh home battery/controller/inverter for less than $10,000 and the disruption of the big electric utility monopolies will begin. Currently, the mantra is that you install enough panels to displace a portion of your utility power use. And, ably enough batteries to keep the light on for the amount of time an afternoon storm knocks out power. But, we are on the cusp of solar and batteries and smart panels and heat pumps enabling the average Joe to cut the cord to the electricity cartels.50 kWh batteries selling for $10,000 will enable regular folks to be energy independent, to become micro energy production and storage companies unto themselves. Affordable home storage batteries and solar will be the gateway drug for EVs. It looks like perovskite is going to become viable. Combined with silicone, perovskite means that the average roof is big enough to power a home, fill a home battery, and charge a few EVs. In the end, the electric utility cartels, with their billions of miles of expensive electrical cable and expensive coal mines and gas wells and transformers and overhead CAN NOT COzmPETE! And when everyone who can afford it has solar on the roof and batteries in the garage, their excess electricity will make power prices less expensive for apartment dwellers. ICE vehicles cannot provide their drivers with free energy. Extracting, transporting,,storing, refining, transporting, storing, and then marketing gas and diesel at millions of tiny, retail filling stations all over the world takes tremendous energy and is expensive. Ultimately, ICE JUST CAN NOT COMPETE! And, just as apartment dwellers demanded indoor plumbing, they will demand places to charge their vehicles. Solar, EVs and home batteries are an avalanche, a tsunami, headed straight for the traditional, dirty fossil fuel, ICE and power industries! Merry Christmas! You all are appreciated, and even friends in that strange, 1-sided, online way.

[@rp9674]

It's ideal to unplug from utility power comedy have not been a good partner in Grid tie systems in Southern California, lowering the buyback price twice

[@randydyck9353]

Thanks for the great content! Everything needs to evolve or it does not last.

[@elmojito]

The sad part of this new administration is that their actions will impact the US but not in the way the intend. Yes, it probably will slow down sales and adoption in the US but not in the rest of the world. BUT, the consequences will be that US automakers will continue falling behind the rest of the world. There is no question that today Chinese EV automakers are far more advanced that legacy manufacturers and one can foresee that even Tesla is no longer as advanced as some of the leading chinese companies. And these new policies will only magnify the difference.

[@michaeloreilly657]

Similar to what the Jones Act did for US shipyards.

[@petergersbach7355]

Tesla makes all of the rest of the world’s Teslas in China; the standard of manufacture from Shanghai is also much better than the rubbish from Fremont too, if I am reading my social media correctly.

[@harvey66616]

_"... but not in the way the intend"_ -- you're assuming they have any intent with respect to the US at large in the first place. I don't believe they do. The incoming administration will do whatever it can to pillage the US economy for the benefit of a handful of billionaires and other power mongers, and they won't care one way or the other how it affects the general US public. On the bright side, many of the "promises" they made during campaigning were never meant seriously, but instead just to attract votes. We're in for four years of chaos, no doubt, but much of the campaign promises aren't even feasible politically, never mind economically or logistically. But yes, you're absolutely right that to the extent that the incoming administration does what they said they would do, it will only harm the US economy and cede what little ground we have at this point in technology and manufacturing to China. Electing this guy is one of the biggest self-own by US citizens in history.

[@intermsofreality]

This comment is so full of ignorance that it makes me wonder if it's intentional. Yes, Chinese automakers are becoming more advanced, but they also have their own slew of problems. Their build quality and software is extremely hit or miss, and their business model, despite the massive numbers of cars they sell, is barely profitable, and that's AFTER government subsidies. And you bring up EV policies as if they've been beneficial for domestic automakers. They haven't, and this is the same for the rest of the world outside of China. EV policies sure aren't stopping legacy automakers in the EU from falling behind.

[@elmojito]

@@intermsofreality First, regarding quality, I assume you are in the US and therefore have limited exposure to Chinese cars so doubt very much you have ever been or seen one. Luckily I am in Europe so can see cars from all 3 continents, albeit extremely few from the US, and as such today own a chinese car after owning many top tier cars in my 73 years - including a Mercedes while living in California during the first aran oil embargo. I can tell you without doubt that my current chinese EV is as good as any car I have owned before and better than many of my Ford's and Chevrolets. All countries subsidise their industries, including the US and Europe. And speaking of profitability, Tesla did not make a profit until 2020 and when in the red, and even today, benefits from selling credits to other automakers to avoid fines. For profitability just look at Rivian and Lucid - where are the profits? I don't believe in mandates like in Europe but there is an issue for consumers regarding affordability that domestic automakers, in the US or Europe, do not address.

[@FritsvanderHolst]

Love the old car review fragments, great to see and besides the quality of the footage lower than we're used to now. It shows clearly how far EVs have developed.

[@tannermcnabb4836]

We just got our second EV 2 months ago, and more and more our friends are extremely EV curious. My sister wants to get one as her next car, a good friend says the same of her next vehicle, and lots of other friends are asking more and more specific questions around the long road trips we do & how much time we spent charging, about how we would find chargers, and specific questions too like "show me the app you use to be able to see them all"), etc. "How does charging for free at the hotel work?", etc. As another commenter put it, "EV's are too GOOD to fail". Once people get in them and see how quiet they are, how smooth, how little they need to actually use public infrastructure, etc., the writing will be on the wall. I really think that while the US whitehouse can get rid of the incentive, and that may slow sales (as what happened in Germany in '24 i believe), they aren't going anywhere. The incentive may also reduce the pace of automakers' investments in new models and new tech, but again, I don't think it is going anywhere. They have invested too much money to just turn around and wash their hands of it. Now the X factor? I think it will be the anti-Elon sentiment....I am already seeing "Fck Elon" stickers on some local level 2 chargers here in my small town on Vancouver Island. While some may associate Elon with everything electric vehicles - and therefore not want to buy any brand - i think the bigger impact will be on folks turning away from Tesla as the brand becomes synonymous with a massively polarizing politician.

[@rossr6616]

Nikki throwing shade on THE Shade is perfect! Happy Christmas TE

[@mikewallace8087]

Her boast is an example of narcissism . Merry Christmas to you Ross.

[@fjalics]

There are two huge advantages of the EV markets increased size. The availability of many compelling options. Many of these are very clearly no longer compliance cars. The other, is in the last year some EV chargers started making money due to increased traffic/sales. Some early chargers got built with government money where the focus was not on reliability, and frankly, early days. They needed work, but also, didn't have the traffic to sustain them. Now what I want to see is a whole lot more level 2 charges wherever cars park in cities, but those chargers don't require the federal government. I have 2 Level 2 chargers in my garage. I can't imagine I am the only one capable of making a decision like that.

[@rp9674]

Not enough focus on public level 2 charging, even Level One charging at work would be very useful. I've never seen a high amperage level to 48 amp, seems like a missed opportunity for certain use cases.

[@rp9674]

My Costco had EV Chargers in the early teens before I k n e w anything about EVs, I could have really used them a few years ago, still no chargers again

[@mikekofMorrison]

Who Killed the Electric Car? is a fantastic documentary (a little dated now). I've watched it several times, ok, hate watched it, because what the oil companies, car companies and governments did was absolutely infuriating. It's a must watch. I bought my Tesla more than 2 years ago, and I still absolutely love my car. But politically, being a Tesla owner is an embarrassment. It's a conundrum.

[@waynecartwright-js8tw]

BMW killed the E1 in 1991 because it never got into production. The genie is out of the bottle now.

[@crm114.]

EVs are too good to fail.

[@mikewallace8087]

????????????

[@Dularr]

Also need to track US demographics. We have a upcoming generation that may never drive or get a drivers license.

[@rp9674]

A portion of a generation, necessity steps in

[@em0_tion]

This is so NOT a factor. You can not live in the USA without driving. Exceptions do not make the rule.

[@Thisoldhiker]

@@em0_tion True. Huge stretches within the New York City limits are car-dependent, and the vast majority of adults in them own cars and drive daily.

[@PluginDuo]

It happened before. It will happen again. People afraid of change. I remember seeing printed ads for saying horses were better than cars, and making fun of car owners. EVs are here to stay. Period

[@matthewbrown435]

New Zealand canceled there EV subsidies, everyone thought it was a catastrophe but actually all the car makers reduced their car prices and possibly they are now cheaper than they were when they subsidy was available.

[@lyledal]

To be more accurate, I would say that the incoming Presidency is actually in the pocket of that CEO.

[@harvey66616]

I suspect each thinks the other is in their pocket. That said, now that the CEO's money helped buy the election for the incoming president, the latter has little use for the former. And the former is stealing a lot of the spotlight, which definitely doesn't sit well with the latter. We'll see if the CEO can successfully kiss butt enough to keep his seat in the vicinity of the throne, but I'd give at least even odds that the incoming president will tire of his jester before too long.

[@dougkrogh2766]

I just purchased my first EV. I am a 69 year old male that purchased a 2025 Leaf+ for than less than 23k. With the larger battery, I can drive for days with no issues. I must say the reason I purchased now was the concern of our president (coming) and lossing the government incentives. And yes Nissan in my area ran incentives getting the car down from 41k to 23k.

[@RodneyCurtis]

Thank you for everything you and your channel does and says. I hope you have a warm holiday and a wonderful beginning to the new year.

[@williamquemuel7824]

It is really telling when the top US insurer has EV safety concerns. State Farm is removing electric vehicle charging stations from its parking decks at Corporate and Corporate South headquarters in Bloomington, and at its hubs throughout the nation. The move is effective as of Oct. 28, according to a message sent to company employees. “While we understand the impact to those who rely on EV charging, it is our top priority to ensure a safe and secure working environment for our employees." states the message. "Following an Enterprise Risk Assessment and evaluations conducted by local fire departments and workplace protection in each hub and corporate headquarters, fire risks were identified in the parking garages that cannot be mitigated at this time.” The company told workers it will consider plans for "alternative charging locations outside of parking garages, including the possibility for EV parking." “Construction projects are being explored at corporate headquarters and the Illinois Operations Center to install EV chargers in available surface lots where fire safety risks to other vehicles and structures are minimized,” said the company in the message.

[@wiltaylor]

Totally agree. As they evolve they will make ice cars look even more outdated and expensive to maintain.

[@bobnelsonfr]

EV charging in the real world An average American's home-to-work commute is less than thirty miles, so the daily drive is less than sixty. Australians are closer to work: just sixteen kilometers each way, or only 20 miles commute per day. Canadians live even closer to work: 9 kilometers, for a daily commute of less than 12 miles each day. The French (to get out of the anglosphere) are in between the Canadians and Australians, at 14 kilometers each way, or 18 miles daily, both ways. These are averages. Some people drive more, some less. And this is just the home-work commute, to which must be added shopping and whatever (if everything isn't via Amazon ;-) ). All told... an average Ameican drives a bit under 15 000 miles every year, or a little over forty miles per day, which is coherent with the numbers for their home-work commute. Unsurprisingly, Australians drive a lot less, just a bit over 12 000 km (less than 8000 miles per year). Canadians drive about 15 200 km/year (9500 miles/year.) Fun fact, the highest Canadian mileage is NOT out West in BC or any of the big provinces; it's in Newfoundland and Labrador, with 18 100 km/year. The French drive more, at nearly 24 000 km/year... which is (surprisingly) a bit low for the EU. But let's simplify: people drive less than 300 miles each week, most people quite a lot less. Two-thirds of all of these nationalities are homeowners. So two-thirds of all of these people could charge an EV at home. Typical range for EVs sold in the US, Canada and Australia is around 300 miles. European models have less range, around 200 miles. A reinforced home electrical socket can deliver a full EV charge in about 11 hours. An ordinary home socket will need over thirty hours to fully charge an average EV. That sounds bad... until you think about it. European charging is somewhat faster, because 220V is standard. Most evenings, after an ordinary day's driving, that average EV will still have over 250 miles of range in its battery. An overnight hookup with even the least powerful socket will easily bring the car up to 100% charge. Here's the bottom line: an overnight charge is more than the average driver needs to keep their EV topped up. --------------------------------------- Those are average numbers, applying to the vast majority of drivers in thes countries... but not to all. I'd love to hear about outliers: the Wyoming cowboy, the South Dakota farmer, or whatever: annual mileage, road-trip length and frequency, and so on. I'm willing to bet that an EV can handle 99% of needs.

[@aussie405]

Australia 240v

[@russellyann]

Yes we in Australia have 240v, I commute much longer than average, 100 Km each way though only 3 days a week with the rest WFH. We have had a Tesla since Feb 2022, best vehicle ever. We charge over the weekend for a very low or free price (solar) and during the middle of the night for the rest which is usually 2 - 3 hours per session. Very doable. The import tariffs in the USA and smaller ones in Europe means we in SE Asia will be electrified in short order. Australia, NZ, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and possibly Indonesia should provide the China market with a further population of 150 million with potential for much more. With this much scale, I find it unlikely that South Asia (India, Bangladesh and Pakistan) will not follow. If this is the case, North America will become the outlier with relatively expensive transport with high ongoing costs.

[@ianbelanger7459]

The issue for Americans and especially young Americans is two fold. First, only 40% own their homes .Second, for a variety of reasons, saving for a $40k to $100k car has to compete with home prices that have effectively quadrupled. This means the people in the market for new cars are older well healed people that don't want to deal with the inconveniences of a system that is good for 60% of Americans but massively inconvenient for 30% of them.

[@bobnelsonfr]

@ianbelanger7459 The lack of truly affordable EVs is indeed disastrous for America‘s future. China and Europe are creating cars and all the surrounding tech... while American manufacturers count on tariffs for protection. We've seen this movie before, and it doesn't end well. It's crazy: America is the Holy Land of capitalist competition, but plays ostrich if the competition gets too tough.

[@ianbelanger7459]

@@bobnelsonfr free market capitalism as an economic theory is far removed from how capitalist actually operate. In most cases, a lack of good regulation has produced a slow road to monopoly, which almost always leads to protectionism.

[@vernonhampton6973]

At the end of the day, no matter how good an EV or how much anyone is convinced to remain petrol/diesel, the overarching metric of whether anything will succeed or fail comes down to price. No one's gonna buy what they absolutely cannot afford.

[@wertigon]

I assume you can afford that $40k petrol SUV from Toyota then, but not the $35k BYD Seal?

[@vernonhampton6973]

@@wertigon Wait - I'm sorry...are you REALLY comparing a sedan against an SUV!?! Two vehicles that are used in two different ways!?! So, I can carry lumber and plywood and go off-roading in a Seal!?! Your comment is why some people who would love to switch to an EV are turned off. THIS is EXACTLY why FUD exist. A Seal against a Fortuner? You must have lost your damned mind. If you'd said Seal against Corolla, that would have made much more sense, except that a BYD Seal is $40k out the door (American), and a Toyota Corolla can be had easily for $10k LESS than that, which absolutely MURDERS your argument. Bruh...try again...

[@vernonhampton6973]

@@wertigon Also, I live in Victoria, Australia, (where incentives don't skewer the prices, and cars have to compete on their own merits) and a 7-seat Toyota Kluger hybrid and a BYD Seal are the same price - $74k...not that I could afford either, but I could do more with a Kluger Hybrid (in America, a Toyota Highlander) than a BYD Seal as: Kluger has 7 seats...Seal has 5 Kluger has more cargo area than Seal Kluger is roomier than Seal Kluger can go 986 kilometers before needing to refuel, Seal can only go 580 km. Kluger has an EV mode for town, but good mileage for long distance trips without having to stop ever 3 hours to recharge. Kluger naturally doesn't get government incentives, so it has to stand on the merit of simply being good value for money. Come correct next time...

[@paulc6766]

@@wertigon Apparently most US citizens can't find $400 in an emergency.

[@wertigon]

@@vernonhampton6973 A few years ago a BYD Seal was at retail price parity with the Corolla. In China the EV is already cheaper than an equivalent ICE vehicle. Why should this not happen in the rest of the world? Go watch the electric viking he covers Australia 🙂

[@patrick7228]

Too big to fail sure. Big enough to not be negatively impacted by policy significantly, no. Just speaking about the U.S.

[@daveedwards6727]

I remember there was a sign someone had back in the early 2000s which rings true now: you can pry the charge cord from my cold, dead hands.

[@mikewallace8087]

We Will.

[@h2rider953]

Never ever going to drive an fossil fuel car again.

[@mikewallace8087]

Hopefully you refuse to ride in an ICE powered vehicle ever.

[@michaelkruse1413]

Great job. You are right. Keep up the good work!

[@axion8788]

Great content. We have an ICE and a leased EV. We could get by with just 1 car so if I can't replace my EV at lease end I will simply NOT GET any car. There are likely many people in a similar situation and I'm not sure how car makers who sell both will like it when we don't buy ANYTHING! . There's passive activism for you.😄

[@williamquemuel7824]

Comrade Nikki is still citing a survey that disputes the MicKinsey. McKiinsey & Company published the article, “McKinsey Mobility Consumer Pulse” dated June 2024. This reported that 46% of the early adopter EV owners were planning to go back to ICE vehicles. The report/survey was based on real world data from Edmunds which showed that 40% of EVs traded in were used to purchase or lease a new ICE vehicles. TE is just reporting on Global EV Drivers Alliance survey which I doubt is based on real world data. McKinsey report which is based on real world data from Edmunds can be trusted as Edmunds is an impartial organization unlike Global EV Drivers Alliance’s survey which is hardly impartial by group that promotes EVs. People should consider the sources and scrutinize the organizations reporting the data.

[@mikewallace8087]

Nicky : La La La La , I don't see you.

[@bigboxofstuff]

I saw a BYD car at my local grocery store a few days ago, I hope this means some will sneak into the US soon.

[@mikewallace8087]

Where is the BYD product support ? Ship it back across the ocean?

[@gsilva220]

It's good to see EVs becoming more mainstream, but it's sad to see it's all happening exactly like the early 20th century, with EVs getting gradually more expensive and niche-concentrated.

[@Barry-l1x]

Great videos

[@somecallmetimelderberries432]

18 years? WOW! That's awesome! My first taste was the 2014 Fiat 500e as a lease, then I purchased a 2017 Bolt EV (which I still own today) :)

[@grahamshaul7769]

Frampton Cotterell again!! Just especially for me?! Happy Christmas to you all too.

[@KaiPonte]

Great video! I can't believe you listen to Nevermore. I vaguely remember them. I can't throw a rock here in Los Angeles without hitting an EV.

[@transportevolved]

Actually I was singing to galantis, but that would have been a take down - Nikki

[@simonreeves2017]

Hi Nikki, greetings from your homeland, the U.K. I love EVs, and have driven one since 2019. Sadly I now hate anything to do with Tesla. 5 years ago Elon was my hero, now I hate him with a vitriol I can not express. The reason is obvious… Trump. Any EV, except a Tesla!

[@rp9674]

You're not alone

[@paulc6766]

Hate is a big word.

[@jonevansauthor]

Understandable but I doubt hating people and taking pops at them is going to moderate them and deprogram them nonsense. Literally the entire reason he stopped being a democrat was their constant attacks on his children - which to him isn't just his massive brood, but Space X, The Boring Company, Starlink, Neuralink, Tesla storage and vehicles. Those are his babies and if you don't think those missions are all important to humanity, you attack him for them, like Biden did. Then, surprisingly any man is somewhat offended and will feel your outrageous hostility and look for ways to fight back. You don't insult a man's mother, sister or kids unless you want to get punched in the face. Biden did exactly that, in the worst political move ever, and we've got a second term of Trump. Starmer is doing the same because he cares less about the world than he does Elon's image. Well... how are we going to deprogram him if no-one treats him like a normal human being and no-one is willing to sit down with him and talk serious business? Do I care about his politics or do I care about getting enough grid storage and manufacturing in the UK that we can fully electrify and have a strong economy so that we can then help raise up developing world countries that we've let down in the past? We negotiated with the IRA for decades, and with the other terrorists in Northern Ireland, all of whom are worse than serial killers and gangsters combined, and we ended up with Good Friday. Does it sound fun to sit down with the IRA? I imagine it was horrible work and and distasteful but now Northern Ireland and Ireland itself are much less bad for the citizens. Which matters a lot more than not having had our justified retribution against that handful of scumbags. Same thing with South Africa and the Truth and Reconciliation commission. None of us would have been upset had they booted all the racists out of SA and executed the worst of them, but Mandela swallowed his anger and took Gandhi's path after he got out of prison.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

I’d rather have a pound of lard as president than Harris. Trump is not in the pocket of automotive unions and removing all incentives for oil, petrol and EV may encourage companies to make compelling products that folk want to buy, rather than relying on handouts.

[@simonreeves2017]

@ Instead of a pound of lard as president, you’ve got 330 pounds of lard. A rapist, a felon, a liar, a bankrupt. Is this the best America has?

[@sabrowenie]

Except for our monthly 300 ish mile round trip to visit family which entails about 15 minutes at a DCFC For the other times a weekly L2 charge at home to 80% takes care of the rest of the month.

[@cliffmeima2015]

Keep up the good work

[@brutusl2786]

As a long time ev owner ( volts and teslas ) the problem is the lack of urban charging infrastructure. They’re going to be limited to people with garages. We need to work on this.

[@mikewallace8087]

Demand the taxpayer pay for the infrastructure of EV charging line feeds ? Taxpayers don't pay for the installation of gas stations.

[@brutusl2786]

@ sure we do, gas tax but mostly massive oil industry subsidies.

[@0HOON0]

A huge thanks to all the hardworking people at Tesla for radically changing the future!

[@davidmccarthy6061]

There are other people working at Tesla? The fanboys make it sound like Elon does absolutely everything at every company.

[@transportevolved]

The engineers at Tesla are why it succeeded. Had Elon not spent half his time in pissing matches with rivals and the media, we'd already be there already.

[@rp9674]

Thank you Nissan leaf, GM ev1, Chevy bolt, the best deal in EVs yet

[@mikewallace8087]

@@transportevolved Well you go advise Musk , I'm sure he will start laughing at you .

[@wonderings8973]

"that will tie things up for a long time" If the same party controls House, Senate & White House, that's easy enough to ignore or dismiss.

[@Rainbowhawk1993]

Not even Ronald Rump can stop the electrification of the grid and Transportation.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Completely bonkers how in both the EU and America, politicians wet themselves over Chinese made EV and clean technology related goods, yet nary a squeak is heard about the MULTITUDINOUS quantities of other products that include many of the same parts, computer chips for examples. It would be interesting to know how such bans as Nikki is describing here would affect other industries, both at the manufacturing & spare parts/repairs levels. Anything from washing machines to microwave ovens and mobile phones have many components whose origins are in China; just imagine a manufacturer in those two regions trying to satisfy their legal warranty/guarantee obligations under these banning scenarios. However, there (is) a caveat to all of this. Short of banning virtually all Chinese made componentry, it would be, in practical terms, virtually impossible to enforce. All it would take is for Chinese manufacturers to add an additional across-the-board layer to the supply chain, selling to EU/USA importers/wholesalers, who would then supply their (own) customers. Quite apart from the existing importers/wholesalers, you'd see a whole plethora of new importers/wholesalers spring up to satisfy demand, and good luck to the authorities in trying to keep up with the oversight of all of those, the associated costs of which would probably prove to be prohibitive and administratively impractical.

[@mikewallace8087]

A lot of words signals a big problem .

[@jerrywatson1958]

The Auto Insurance industry can just say Tesla's are too dangerous to insure for public use (FSD). Some companies have begun denial of service.

[@DM-zq8qy]

Non-self driving vehicles will soon be more expensive to insure because machines are BETTER drivers with FASTER reflexes, MORE eyes, with LESS distractions and NO drowsiness.

[@jerrywatson1958]

@@DM-zq8qy You don't say? Where are the underwriter tables to show the risks? LOL, you're the bot that shouldn't be driving.

[@DM-zq8qy]

@@jerrywatson1958 No bot here. My younger brother died in an automobile accident involving 3 vehicles. 1. If ANY ONE of the three had today’s “assisted driver features,” there would have been NO accident. 2. My son almost had his car totaled from another driver hitting his car after a sudden stop to avoid a stalled car on a curve. Again, auto-cruise would have avoided the $22,000 repairs and hospital visit for whiplash. 3. My other son quit auto insurance business because he is seeing the future decline in auto claims. 4. Any reasonable search for safety advantages (actuarial studies, etc.) of autonomous control of most vehicles currently shows that today’s EVs compare favorably against “normal” human drivers. And AI is advancing the safety factors DAILY.

[@StephenJohnson-jr5hp]

Prior to Ford's relationship with Tesla Supercharging we had to plan our routes, now? No so much. DC fast charging stations are growing exponentially in the Midwest and they are easier to use and more reliable.

[@gavinreid9184]

I suspect a big aspect for evs in China is energy independence.

[@Allride_]

I am on board when it comes to EVs for many years now. The only thing holding me back is the price point of a new car (electric or fossil) My budget is more in the "no more than 8k" camp, for now and I can't wait for prices to come down and my budget to increase so that I can finally drive electric (Btw I don't own any car at the moment)

[@sarabeth8050]

If you travel the world broadly, you see Chinese EVs everywhere. Tesla? Not so much. Doesn't matter what the US and Europe do. Chinese EVs are already dominating in most markets around the world. Chinese EVs aren't so wonderful now but they're closing the gap quickly.

[@georgepelton5645]

I considered myself to be a late adopter of EVs, with only 14 years of electric driving. I thought Nikki had me beat by a mile, with her VW CityStromer and such. I was surprised to hear she has owned EVs for 18 years. I guess I am not as far behind as I thought, although I don’t think catching up or passing Nikki is a possibility. 😂

[@markbader4942]

That deal with Oshkosh was pretty bad though.

[@alexco5881]

battery tech and EVs are advancing fast thanks to enormous investment in scientific research. EV prices are dropping fast, the early innovators are being hit with big depreciation when selling used cars. But this gives used bargains for for the early adopters and early majority. At the same time, laggard ICE manufacturers are facing a vicious cycle with sales down and costs per unit up. At some point, EVs become cheap enough compared to ICE and the owners of nearly new ICE will face a big depreciation hit if they can sell at all.

[@joelado]

👍👍👍👍👍 Welcome to the resistance.

[@speedracermatt]

I have been toying with the idea of putting a "Don't tread on me" sticker on my Tesla Model Y. Kinda of a flip the script thing. 🤔

[@transportevolved]

You do realize that anything is political.

[@speedracermatt]

@@transportevolved Unfortunately yes and I do. But if it registers with the individual who has the same sticker on the vehicle that is about to roll coal on me, maybe it can start a conversation? Edited: Changed my to me.

[@desertdan100]

All through history the greatest idealists and inventors with original concepts that worked and were readily adopted came out of the US. You touched on it yourself with the turn of the century automobiles and the EV1. Look at Tesla and other startups. America is good at coming up with new tech, it is just a shame that those in power kick it to the curb or hand it off for someone else to run with. I am old enough to remember the EV1 and the early Ford ranger trucks that were all electric. The people that had them loved their little run about work trucks, especially some of the ranchers out west. Many of those little plug in rangers never left the ranch and those people were pissed when Ford came looking for them to crush them. I remember stories of people saying that their truck was on an island and Ford decided it wasn't worth the money to go get them. That is the only reason any of them survived. EV s are not going away, they are just waiting on another generation to push harder for them to become better and more affordable.

[@williamquemuel7824]

The current EV situation in the America is the result of socialism (gov’t policy over consumer demand). We see failed projects as a result of socialism. China’s real estate market is imploding as result of gov’t policy. Building a city or housing on China’s scale doesn’t guarantee that people will snatch up properties. This applies to any gov’t driven project where consumers are involved.

[@DougGrinbergs]

Standard pitch to the community: chip in, update Wikipedia articles🤘🖖

[@jeroenimus7528]

So THAT is why we got the SUVs first 😅

[@mihairazlog4657]

We will see when and with what costs. And after a while ev will be blamed to do damage for the planet.

[@lancpudn]

Quite frankly, I don't give a stuff what happens over the pond, the patients seem to have taken over the Whitehouse asylum there.

[@mikewallace8087]

That is correct , The Biden White House is run by staff and cabinet people who have given away monies to all foreign hands out and not the Citizens.

[@Dularr]

It's called unfunded mandates. You can keep the regulations, but remove the funding or move the agency out of the Washington DC area.

[@petterbirgersson4489]

10:50 "Välkommen ombord!"

[@MrkBO8]

The future of any industry depends on how many policians bought shares when it was a start up. Seriously though, ev's will be taking a big pause for about ten years because of the trade issues between the US and China. The US wont supply chip making technology to China so China will have to revert to making toasters instead of AI and chips for cars and China has cut supplies of Gallium, Niobyium and Germanium so the US cant make chips either. All car manufactuers aside from Tesla, BYD and Toyota are about to be bankrupt and that means the component manufactuers go bust too. That cant happen because the component manufacturers also need to make bits and bobs for military equipment. Ergo the end story is fuel powertrans are here for a long long time yet. Unless of course the ufo's the gov't is chasing with the drones cause global tidal waves to remove every coastal city which would be there way of saying "get it right".

[@harvey66616]

Your prediction would be correct if neither side backed down. But they will. There's too much at stake, and mostly money at stake, for either government to allow those industries to just come to a screeching halt until local resource extraction and manufacturing allows the countries to be fully independent. And that's assuming full independence is even possible, which I doubt. No, there's going to be a bunch of blustering, but at the end of the day, the people who really run things -- i.e. the billionaires whose fortunes are at stake -- are going to make people like T---- toe the line and keep the money presses rolling.

[@EbenBransome]

The Chinese have developed a new 4nm lithography so no, they can continue with 5G and AI. Meanwhile old fabs around the world are coming out of mothballs to make the small controllers that go into cars like the window regulators. When Trump blocked Huawei, it ws predicted China would lose 10-15 years of IC development. It actually took them 5. The US has created a technological giant, pity about the racism that prevents it from working with rather than against them.

[@Evsmart-w8n]

You need to get out in to the real world more often. EVs have already Failed . Dealers have given up trying to push the sales of these Dangerous and highly Toxic Lithium powered cars

[@speedracermatt]

"Grahmer" is everthiing. 😗 Bye Bye!!

[@em0_tion]

@@speedracermatt Manners in conversation matter too. FYI, it's "Bye-bye!" if you wanna get petty. 😁 You're yet to state an argument or say anything of substance if you want to disagree. 🙄🤷‍♂

[@DM-zq8qy]

Soon it will be the OBSOLETE ICE vehicles that FEW will want. (Like buying a VCR in 2010.)

[@em0_tion]

@@DM-zq8qy We need a much better battery technology + charging infrastructure before we retire our current tried & tested tech. Hope it happens in my lifetime, but if I could witness only one win, it'd be "Right to Repair" laws in place, so we don't end up with unrepairable iPhones on wheels. 😂✌

[@DM-zq8qy]

@ I agree that “retirement” of all ICE vehicles is pre-mature. Is it similar to the need to continue using oil lamps when early battery powered flashlights first started becoming popular? Advancements soon showed safety, economic, and convenience favored ELECTRIC lights. I like your user name. 😀 Emotions often cause irrational and illogical actions. 🎅🏻

[@johnfilce9236]

I'm not going back!

[@masonkanterbury3007]

EVs may be the best way to travel the Australian outback, so long as onecan use solar.

[@theairstig9164]

That would be a long slow trip. And yet exactly this was done recently

[@davidmenasco5743]

Bob: "Honey, I'm going down to the shelter to launder some money! I'll be back around 3!" Doris: "Okay dear! Don't forget that change you keep in the sock drawer!"

[@davea691]

EVs are doing well in China, the biggest auto market in the world.

[@mikewallace8087]

Right , the masses walk, ride bicycles , take public transportation and some have Ebikes that burst into flames inside their apartments.

[@johnholland1308]

What Elon Musk brought to EV’s was excitement. For many, a car is like clothing, it’s about image and sexiness.

[@em0_tion]

A ton of engineering would be my focus when it comes to his contribution. 👍 He really solved a lot of power consumption and optimization riddles. He also made sexy cars, minus the latest elephant-looking model. 😂

[@em0_tion]

Yeah, some problems are more important than owning an EV. Big worries are futile. EVs aren't going anywhere, especially with Elon in the government. Infrastructure and battery tech don't just fall out of the sky after all. We might not get there as fast as we want to, but that's ok.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Had to laugh my socks off the other day at a pic off Trump next to the EV rocket god in the sky....that showed Trump with a distinct orange stripe that ended about a quarter of the way down his heck before his northern European genetic heritage became apparent once more. You'd think his Mrs, who's always immaculately made up, would have told him how to apply his old man's orange overcoat. 😅😅

[@KCTalksEV]

The problem with the idea that "EVs are failing" is what is the genuine alternative that has infrastructure growing and to a point ubiquitous already (UK) and doesn't use a lot more energy than we currently have available? E-Fuels just aren't being produced (and are inefficient) Hydrogen fuel cell is inefficient and will be always be worse than BEV, and hydrogen combustion 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂(don't make me laugh)

[@mikewallace8087]

Trust me , I will not make you laugh.

[@ab-tf5fl]

In practice, e-fuels and hydrogen are simply a distraction put forth by the oil industry in order to make the argument that the best oil alternative technology is not settled yet, therefore everybody needs to wait and see for another 50 years, and, of course, continue to buy gas/diesel cars and line the pockets of Big Oil in the meantime. The only real alternative to EVs is just sticking with 20th century automotive technology and burning fossil fuels.

[@williamquemuel7824]

Each market favored their popular energy for their light duty vehicles . Diesel was king in Europe. Gas is king in America. Electric will be king in China. Even if EVs are too big to fail, this doesn’t mean that EVs will be anything more than a niche product in the USA. Since its introduction in the USA, hybrids have been doing better than EVs . Both are niche products in the US auto industry.

[@paulc6766]

The US is in decline and most Americans don't realise.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@ I agree. It seems that China is the new America in terms of manufacturing and production. China has 4 times the population of US and will have a consumer base to sell to for years to come, while US consumerism is flailing with a population that has a declining middle class and most of them can’t afford a home or car. Tariffs will hasten the US demise. US is using a self imposed isolation that will guarantee that China will overtake the US in the very near future.

[@rp9674]

EV incubator States will lead the way

[@jaredleemease]

Thank you all, happy holidays. 🏜🕺🏻🐕🏖🎄

[@mikewallace8087]

Dear Justin Trudeau : The Electric Car Industry is Failing no matter what your Green energy Dogma says. The LeDrew three minute interview.

[@RayNLA]

Thank you Elon!

[@transportevolved]

Elon has nothing to do with it.

[@0HOON0]

​@@transportevolvedHe kinda did.

[@RayNLA]

@ What, you think Mary really did lead? 😂 Thanks again Elon!

[@transportevolved]

@@0HOON0 The engineers did.

[@PeteLenz]

I believe it’s the other way around, 45 in the pocket of Elon 😡

[@transportevolved]

It's really a difference without any distinction. Neither should be working together, and nobody should be working for or in the government while also owning a business that benefits from it.

[@PeteLenz]

@@transportevolved Of course. Without having "donated" $250M to get 45 elected, I can't imagine Elon would be in the family Christmas picture ;-)

[@harvey66616]

I agree that it's a difference without distinction. That said, 45 doesn't need Musk now that he's elected. I believe Musk is about to find out just how fickle his new friend is, and how stupid it was for him to get in bed with him.

[@Roddy451]

algorithm

[@Dularr]

The question is will battery electric motors see their Kodak film or Nokia phone moment. When they were to big to fail.

[@SigFigNewton]

ICE cars may see their Kodak moment

[@Dularr]

@SigFigNewton I could believe that as well. Within 50 years we may not have internal combustion or battery electric vehicles.

[@toddfraser3353]

What would be their appropriate replacement? Kodak got hit with Digital Photography and it suffered a slow decline from it. By the time Kodak was a bit player the one people who really suffered were Kodak Employees, not the Kodak customers.

[@Dularr]

@toddfraser3353 who knows.

[@MrkBO8]

Only congress is allowed to make rules, they cant outsource it to departments like the EPA. I'm not commenting about whether this is wise or not, just the legality.

[@harvey66616]

_"... they cant outsource it to departments like the EPA"_ -- of course they can. The US Supreme Court's decision overturning Chevron does complicate things a bit. But US federal agencies still by and large are in charge of writing the rules. Or do you think it was all those House Representatives and Senators who, for example, wrote all those rules in the Federal Aviation Regulations governing things like aircraft certification, pilot certification, and operational rules for general aviation, business aviation, charter flights, scheduled airlines, and so on?

[@OffgridApartment]

Speak up against FUD like Elon man bad?

[@transportevolved]

Pardon?

[@zapfanzapfan]

It'll be interesting to see if Teslas from China get tariffed...

[@0HOON0]

Which USDM Tesla are you referring to?

[@cyberoptic5757]

Patreon fails to offer an export function from this list of contributors?

[@transportevolved]

You can export a list, but only by group. Not everyone who gives a certain amount is in a group… it’s a mess. The collation used to be done by a program but now we do it by hand

[@teardowndan5364]

Not as much "too big to fail" as it is too heavily invested into to allow to fail, much like modern large companies get bailed out of their monumental mistakes where their CEOs award themselves millions of dollars in bonuses a head instead of being allowed to go bankrupt as they should have for gross mismanagement. If EVs were really too big to fail on their own merit, they wouldn't need purchase subventions, subsidies, tax breaks, manufacturers getting hefty fines for not selling enough EVs for the number of ICEVs they sold, manufacturers registering EVs to resell them discounted as used by a similar amount to avoid those fines, etc. Right now, making EVs "succeed" requires heavy market distortion.

[@ziploc2000]

Subsidies and tax breaks like the fossil fuel industry has always enjoyed?

[@SigFigNewton]

EVs are too convenient to fail. Imagine being forced to go to gas stations rather than simply filling up at home… far more cheaply.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@ziploc2000 The subsidies rabbit hole goes just as deep in the lithium battery supply chain, the rush to scale it up and all of the infrastructure required to support it all. Billions of dollars into fast-charging infrastructure, grid upgrades, GWh-scale battery storage to soften peaks, etc. Also, taxes account for 25-60% of the pump price depending on location. What governments give to oil&gas on the back-end, they more than make up for on fuel and derived products taxes.

[@teardowndan5364]

@@SigFigNewton For ~40% of people, charging at home is not going to be an option any time soon because they do not own the place and many landlords/HoAs refuse to put chargers in even when the requester offers to cover the costs. Having to rely entirely on fast-charging is far less convenient than ~3min at a tap-and-go pump and in many cases, more expensive as well. Where I live, charging faster than 70kW is often more expensive than gas. The cost of gasoline would need to double before EVs would start making economic and practical sense to me, assuming electricity rates don't go up to match all-around, which they likely will. And the same people who do not own their parking space do not own a roof to put solar panels on nor the walls and wiring to put home storage batteries on either, so no means of offsetting rising energy costs.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@teardowndan5364 given that I can charge at home, I would be willing to spend 20k more to get an EV and avoid ICE. Based on charging and gas prices over the lifetime of the vehicle. Add in the better music listening experience due to there not being a noisy engine, the better acceleration, the convenience of filling up while I watch TV, I’d be willing to pay even more than that. In reality, I get to buy an EV for about the same price as an ICE. No brainer.

[@lengould9262]

If big oil/ current auto industry get their way, EV's will die very fast. Of course, then your job will be secure ...

[@theairstig9164]

You can’t force people to buy a product or service they don’t want and can’t use. Even if you a) block off alternatives to a toll road or bridge b) ban non ICE passenger vehicles c) buy up and close down public transport. People will find a way

[@williamquemuel7824]

Most of the EVs sold are in China and in China, I agree that it is too big to fail, but elsewhere, I disagree as it remains to be seen. If China can export EVs in sufficient quantities to supply the globe with the exception of North America, then it will put pressure on North American to conform; otherwise, it is a wait and see outside of China. The statement about too big to fail is nothing more than half-truths and veiled falsehoods able to fool but a select few. Only in China, Comrade Nikki would be right.

[@williamquemuel7824]

Despite Comrade Nikki comments, US Dept of Energy stats on their Alternative Fuels Data Center webpage show a different story.. By the end of 2023, it took 15 years of EV production in the USA to carve out 1.2% of the total registered light duty vehicles in the USA whereas it took 22 years of hybrid (HE and PHEV) production to carve out 3%. In the USA, the EV market is still a niche market. The USA EV market is not too big to fail. The USA automakers are now building to consumer demand rather than listening to government regulators. Letting government dictate the choices that consumers can buy is anti-capitalism bordering on socialism. Comrade Nikki praises the Chinese EV market as they are under auspices of a communist government. With all the praises and attention that Comrade Nikki heaps on China, it makes you wonder…

[@gordonn4915]

This is the difference between what is sold today vs what was sold in the past. It’s like the average registered Toyota Tacoma has a V6 but you can no longer buy one.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@gordonn4915 US Dept of Energy just post the stats for all registered light duty vehicles in USA and stats for all types of power trains (EV, hybrids, petrol……). To do what you are asking is unrealistic because you literally have to separate them by year, make, and model for each vehicle, then publish the stats. US Dept of Energy is only concerned with the energy used to power the vehicles and how many are for each power type. US Dept of Energy is all about ENERGY. You missed the point of the government.

[@ab-tf5fl]

EVs have already topped 20% of new car sales in California. Doesn't sound like "niche market" to me.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@ HA HA HA What at a joker you are? LOL 1 state doesn’t make 50 states. Based on Alternative Fuels Data Center under the US Dept of Energy, there were 3.5M EVs out of 283.5M registered light duty vehicles at the end of 2023 IN THE ENITIRE US. It is what it is for now, a niche market. Reference for the FACTS under the U.S. Dept of Energy: search for text in browser, ”alternative fuels data center vehicle registrations” ,then look for “vehicle registrations counts by state” in results.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@ LOL. Your logic made my day for a laugh. By your logic, Kamala Harris should be President since she won California. Ha Ha Ha

[@MadawaskaObservatory]

The biggest issue EV's is that the Li-Ion are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Once they are phased out . Then EV's will take over ICE, assuming the charging station issue is resolved. Oh BTW charging plugs need a universal plug.

[@em0_tion]

Battery tech & electric infrastructure. None of those will catch up as quick as we want, but we won't just give up now. 🤷‍♂👍

[@avsystem3142]

Li-ion batteries are unquestionably much safer than gasoline. Gas vehicle fires are so common they only make the news if someone is killed.

[@markotrieste]

Can't wait to see the 2026 MY of Tesla S with a supercharged V8...

[@theairstig9164]

You’ll get one but the supercharged V8 will be on the end of your key chain

[@mrxmry3264]

KZbin, STOP CENSORING ME!!! YOU'RE SERIOUSLY PISSING ME OFF!!!

[@pluggedev8464]

Savvy I’ve been listening less and less to this channel as she keeps going political and political about one minute and 40 seconds in there it is oh well there’s plenty of other EV channels that can leave the politics out of it

[@jerrybessetteDIY]

I don't care if you have an EV, but I hate that I have to subsidize it.

[@transportevolved]

How do you feel about subsidizing the oil and gas industry, or the coal mines?

[@StephenJohnson-jr5hp]

@@transportevolved, folks just don't know more than the "bumper sticker" quotes coming out of Florida.

[@jerrybessetteDIY]

@@transportevolved They pay plenty of taxes. And every time a gas burner buys gas, they are paying for the roads the EVs use for free.

[@transportevolved]

@@jerrybessetteDIY You're really not aware of how the taxation system works, are you?

[@jerrybessetteDIY]

@@transportevolved I pay a large tax on every gallon of gas I buy to pay for roads a bridges. EV'ers are freeloaders.