This Train Made Passengers Sick: The APT Tilting Train Story

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In the 1960’s, Britain's railways were in decline. The country’s railways were slow and antiquated and facing fierce competition against growing automobile ownership and booming air travel. But elsewhere in the world, railways were beginning to make a comeback, and the key seemed to be much higher speeds. Japan’s new high speed Shinkansen Bullet Trains proved enormously successful with passengers, carrying over 100 million passengers in just the first three years of service. The French had also begun working on a revolutionary new high train, the TGV (Train à Grande Vitesse, "high-speed train"). If British Rail was going to compete with automobiles and airliners, the solution seemed clear: much faster trains.
But elsewhere in the world high speed trains were developed along with new special dedicate high speed tracks. These new lines were constructed with long, straight sections of rail and gentle curves. For their Bullet Trains, the Japanese built an entirely new dedicated high-speed rail line (Tokaido Shinkansen). For their TGV, the French would need to build hundreds of kilometers of dedicated high speed track (LGV for Ligne à Grande Vitesse).
But the British would take a different approach. Instead of spending billions on new high-speed rail infrastructure, they would engineer a new kind of high speed train that could run on Britain’s existing rail network. The challenge was that many of Britain’s railways were built a hundred years earlier, and they were full of sharp twists and turns. The solution, was to engineer a train that would lean into bends like a motorcycle, maintaining passenger comfort even while running a high speeds around sharp curves. With active tilting technology, the Advanced Passenger Train (APT), would be able to bend nearly twice as fast as any British train. During testing in 1979, the APT hit 261 km/h, setting a new British speed record.
But the APT’s development was plagued by setbacks and delays. The train never lived up to its potential. From day one, the APT was plagued by technical problems; everything from frozen breaks to failed tilting mechanisms. Nearly a third of passengers to become motion sick from the tilting mechanism. After a disastrous debut, British Rail faced an uphill battle to overcome technical challenges and win back public confidence in their innovative train. It was a battle they would never win.
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[@danchang9976]

‘Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience’ *everything shaking violently in the background*

[@saudiprince6532]

Baggie195 LGN_ you’ve obviously never been on any train

[@rikwinder8342]

@@saudiprince6532 A train in the Netherlands would never be so shaky.

[@SargeRho]

@@saudiprince6532 Trains in Germany run pretty quietly.

[@drdewott9154]

I mean I'm from Denmark and I'll admit our railways aren't in the best shape. Constant neglect, overpriced fares, lack of amenities and services and the entire disaster that is the IC4 train (seriously look it up it's quite the ride), so yeah, our fastest trains go 180km/h and are somewhat rough when going fast. But then I went to Italy last year. Venice to be exact and my family decided to take the Frecciarossa (the red arrow) to the Garda lake. The train went as fast as 250km/h at one point and it was as smooth as butter. the only shaking on the entire train was from the doors that violently slammed at every stop. I honestly wasn't expecting that from Trenitalia after going through a very badly put together booking site as well as considering our own plagued IC4 trains were made in Italy!

[@crispyatom]

Well these peoples who stupidly arguing living in 2019 with an advance train technology while this (another) people live in 1970 "promoting" a train that is (indeed) shaky but it's still far more better compared to 1930's 1940's era train that were commonly used on that decade, duh... if you want a fair comparison try visit a third-world country and try their train, come again here and tell us your story after using it :)

[@Draliseth]

"Smooth, quiet, and all together delightful experience." I love British humour.

[@gaounjahardick1586]

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[@horizelux2212]

@@gaounjahardick1586 Ok

[@Glopbop]

At least we have humour unlike America

[@jerrymartin7019]

@@Glopbop "OI MATE LOOK AT THIS CHEEKY BUGGER 'ERE ON THE TELLY DOIN' 'IS SCHEWPID WALK! PRETTY FOOKIN FUNNY INNIT?"

[@davesaunders3334]

@@Glopbop Prat.

[@Twmpa]

The APT was a fantastic piece of engineering. The motion sickness came from the tilting mechanism being too precisely tuned whereby the passengers could see they were travelling around a bend but could not feel it. This was solved by detuning the tilt and reintroducing a small amount of lateral G force. Unfortunately, politics forced it into service prematurely and it showed. With a little more time and patience for the development, this could have been a very different story.

[@mrbuttocks6772]

So it was 'so' good it actually caused problems? Imagine that XD

[@Martindyna]

Great comment !

[@Xalerdane]

Reminds me of how good video recording tech has gotten.

[@seabirdflutter]

good ol bureaucrats

[@elnoruego6854]

We use trains like these in Norway because of all the mountains, only way to go fast in these curves is tilting.

[@ciandelany9420]

The journalist: "Smooth quiet and all together, delightful expirience" His cup: *TKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKTKT*

[@p4rz1val]

I hope this guy was a paid actor for some promotional film

[@andrewnyland7090]

@@p4rz1val think he was a blue peter presenter in the 1970's - Peter Purves

[@torbjrnsteinsland8985]

I forgor ☠️ his name, but he owns the crusty Crab. He is the tea.

[@TheWacoKid1963]

@@andrewnyland7090 Correct, he's now 83 years old

[@megafloof4126]

the irony is clear to see in the clip.

[@rawnanle]

Skillshare is practically funding half of KZbin at this ppint

[@neilomac]

And that's only because DollarShaveClub's got the other half on lock.

[@wangruochuan]

audible dot com is also one of those big bully mafia corp that slaves a good number of content creators

[@yohhanshetty2560]

Brilliant too

[@grdprojekt]

Skillshare, Square Space, Brilliant, and Audible

[@FlyingBoxHead]

@@grdprojekt All great services coincidentally.

[@whyisblue923taken]

1. Buy from England 2. Sell back to England 3. Profit

[@jonmeeka903]

@Laquelectro pogba

[@acejee]

East India company used to buy cotton from India make it into a finished product in their factories and sell them at a cheaper price there than local goods destroying the indigenous businesses.

[@manlikeryan]

italy101

[@nonautemrexchristus5637]

@@acejee that's how corporations work innit

[@venkatramakkineni]

@@manlikeryan Britain 101. May be the Italians learned from the British.

[@RCT3Crashes100]

APT-P: "Who are you?" InterCity 125 HST: "I'm you, but slower and more comfortable!" APT-P: "And who are you?" Class 390 Pendolino: "I'm you, but Italian."

[@virginclass3908]

yes.

[@missbell5891]

yes

[@missbell5891]

@@virginclass3908 hi

[@virginclass3908]

@@missbell5891 Virgin had died and i now have been taken over by Avanti West Coast.

[@virginclass3908]

@@missbell5891 also, i have changed my name and profile picture and it won't apply ever WAT DO?!

[@erojerisiz1571]

Black hole: *is devouring Earth in the background* Presenter: Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience

[@KrotowX]

Seems an idea for next Dr. Who episodes.

[@redred7289]

That is seriously funny.

[@mr.randomperson9900]

Fr, the whole train is shaking and he’s going “smooth, quiet”

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

@@mr.randomperson9900 1980, with steam trains from the 30s as a reference.

[@YukariAkiyama]

How the hell does he keep a straight face saying “smooth, quiet” while the plates are having seizures in front of him lol

[@deathwings51]

British humor

[@pjdj]

Duolingo the epic bird wanting to teach people new languages

[@brianisme6498]

He’s an actor and is trained to pull out and hide emotions.

[@thomaszinser8714]

My assumption would be that those terms are somewhat relative. If the APT was smoother and quieter, then it'd be pretty easy to keep a straight face.

[@shane2547]

True..

[@screaminlordbyron7767]

I like how the tv presenter has both hands on the table trying to brace himself from the shaking that happens when he lifts up one hand!

[@normalwater8335]

Yeah lol

[@TeamHeapMI]

Any one else hear his tea cup shaking

[@MasterCivilEngineering]

Really

[@manlikeryan]

and ironically he said it is smooth

[@heartsutra7798]

That's why we should not trust thd media.

[@RayMak]

This is exceptionally......*vomits*

[@introsus2616]

"Samantha how much will you pay me again?"

[@goosegoose108]

Umm... somehow I've started to watch the same kind of stuff as you and now I see you like, five times a day o.o

[@johnsawtell-rickson3957]

goose goose same

[@GyacoYu]

And it's dangerous as well. The rail track has it's designed slope, while the tilting trains tilt itself against the designated slope in order to reach a higher speed, which will result in an uneven force applied on the two rails leading to a exponentially faster "ero"sion to the track that shortens its lifespan.

[@sigmarizzlerking]

Bruh it’s the same tilt as planes

[@poundlandspeedwagonrequiem]

Despite being an interim train, the Intercity 125 HST still stands as the fastest diesel train on the planet and still in service to today.

[@ironmantrains]

It was more like the 'Intercity 140' for the first few months of operation. Drivers regularly achieved 135-140mph on the GWML and possibly on the ECML in the early days until speed limiters were fitted.

[@Kaavin_dixit]

It was electric

[@epender]

@@Kaavin_dixit No, the InterCity 225 is electric, the earlier InterCity 125 HST was diesel-electric

[@pennyoflaherty1345]

Pollys without pay rises every year 4 Xmas - you’d had have a total NEW TRAIN SYSTEM FULLY PROCESSED tracks signals the lot🤔

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

@@Kaavin_dixit That's the 225, or Class 91.

[@RangerHouston]

*"It's smooth, it's quiet" he says as the sounds of clattering silverware fill the air and the cabin vibrates violently.*

[@theinternetfireandrescuese8716]

You do realise the trains before this were even worse?

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@theinternetfireandrescuese8716 Trains before? TRAINS NOW are worse than that! There are parts of the line today that will try to throw you off your feet, let alone jingle a cup and saucer.

[@MStreppelhoff]

i thought the same thing...so funny :D

[@CountScarlioni]

It's doing something like 130mph. Try that on an ordinary train and the cup would be flung violently against the window! Still, the fact they used that take with the vibrating crockery is hilarious!

[@crownjulesgaming542]

@@sergarlantyrell7847 thats probably just a pacer train

[@jfyllipy]

"It's smooth, it's quiet" Even his voice is shaking

[@keinnameisthaltso.6063]

I was looking for a comment, just like this one

[@OriginalPuro]

You have to remember that he is speaking from a comparative point of view of a set point in time, trains at the time were loud, they did shake, the APT did less of that, therefore to him it might've been smooth and quiet, but you listening from 2019 with 2019 standards might see it and think "what? it's like an earthquake".. Well, that's how it was back then. I remember trains in the 90s that were shaky and not quiet what so ever, so you don't have to go that far back.

[@Wildstar40]

I wonder how much he was paid to say that.

[@californiamade5608]

This was smooth and quiet for the 70s vs the 30s, the same way it’s shaky to us in 2019 🙄

[@matijakuten8903]

@@OriginalPuro r/wooosh

[@kaydenthat8222]

"Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful exerience" While the whole train is shaking and very loud

[@harrietharlow9929]

This thing is worse than Amtrak. Maybe they should have offered free Dramamine with each paid fare.

[@silberpfeil1098]

5:20 Just want to mention the Fact that i love that the Wiper is synced up with the Music

[@BackToTheBlues]

So it is! Perhaps it played go ahead action music when in operation.

[@airwipe1639]

Man I love mustards CGI, it looks amazing.

[@joebaker4116]

💯

[@brendan6066]

The best

[@jonecuntapay9561]

I Agree.

[@seansands424]

@John-Paul Hunt Shoot by traitors again

[@JostVanWair]

Really clean and refined CGI

[@michalsimanek6988]

Fun fact: The Pendolinos are running here in the Czech republic and they are quite succesful, some might say famous. Every kid wanted to ride one at least once in their life (incl. me). I never knew that they originated in the UK so thanks for the video

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Nothing of the APT ended up in the Pendolino. It's just a legend. Apart for the fact that the Pendolino prototype, FIAT Y 0160, was built in 1970, while the APT prototype run for the first time only at the end of 1971, and the first prototype of the commercial Pendolino (ETR 401) became operative in 1976 and had been retired from passenger service only in 2008, the working principle of the two is different. Pendolino has two gyroscopic and accelerometric transducers on the two bogies of every car, instead of a single accelerometer on the center of the car. That means that it reads the inclination of the track at the start of the turn, and can react in advance and more precisely than the APT system, avoiding the oscillations and imbalances that were the cause of the motion sickness of the British project. That's why it had been so successful worldwide.

[@BlackHe4rtQueen]

Skoda 15T > Pendolino. Tilting train, mhhhmmm, I've seen that in UK. But ... WOODEN SEATS

[@tomv3361]

Kdo by nechtěl jet s Pendoušem 😃

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@Sabrina MARCANTE Italian high speed trains (Frecciarossa and Italo) don't oscillate. They run on dedicated railways most of the time. You can't run 300+km/h on normal railroads because even the electric system is not apt. A part (not all) of the 250km/h trains that use normal railroads are oscillating.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@Sabrina MARCANTE No', really. Nor the Frecciarossa (ETR 500 and 1000) nor the Italo (AGV575 and ETR 675) are tilting. They use dedicated lines with large turning radius, so a tilting system would have been olny useless weight.

[@TheGibusDemo]

“It’s smooth, it’s quiet” The Dishes slowly turning into maracas:

[@oddballtv712]

*Magnitude 10 earthquake happens Train advertising guy: ‘Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience’

[@blupdaboloh]

0:49 "It's smooth, it's quiet..." *cup of tea trembling in the foreground*

[@ZnenTitan]

....Compared to sticking your head in a jet engine.

[@AFoxGuy]

want to like.. But its at 100

[@Bewerto]

why, the train is quiet and smooth, its the cup and the rest of the train who isnt quiet xD,

[@Cthight]

Well he never was on the shinkansen in japan this train is really smooth you wont even notice that the train is moving you d think the landscape is moving.

[@Onserio.]

@@AFoxGuy cheap bastard

[@vytautasvaicys8745]

Best of the Best of KZbin. Best visuals, interesting material and top quality. Thank you, Mustard!

[@djhaloeight]

Vytautas Vaicys I agree!!

[@danieljohnson1763]

Definitely

[@MennoKiel]

Most def!

[@rexstetson1717]

I’m always so excited for any new Mustard video. They are absolutely wonderful in so many ways.

[@4ElementGirl]

I like Wendover Productions as well

[@Lowse1345]

the APT was great but what came out in the end was legendary, the HST is one of the most recognised trains in the uk and even other countries were jealous of its performance. cappable of 144mph it was perfect. although the fastest you will go is 125mph it was revolutionary for old railways. and an impressive 45 years of service. only retiring recently but some still in service and are amazing

[@blurryrobot3198]

Exactly, an eminently practical rail solution coupled with the marketing needed to make it a widespread hit. I keep trying to get Americans, dazzled by the ultra high speed trains, to pay attention. A service comparable to HST125, but tailored to American loading gauge and FRA requirements, with widespread deployment and clever marketing like HST125, would revolutionize US passenger rail right now, over any distances where rail is competitive with the not very pleasant air travel experience of 2022 (I like flying itself, but let's be honest, a 2022 airliner is an airborne bus for anyone except 1st class.) Yes, a 160mph electric tilting train is faster than a 125mph diesel, but it puts you on the wrong side of the almighty Pareto principle! When you can get 80% of the speed for 20% of the overall cost, that is the way to go. Except that the cost penalty for dedicated high speed rail turns out to be greater than that...

[@sabersz]

I managed to see an Intercity 125 go through my city on its final journey about a week ago. (Oct 2023) Didn't know it was happening, just got super lucky and spotted it going through the station while I was out shopping. Probably won't see one in service again

[@FloydBromley]

Queensland Rail here in Australia operates two tilting train services, one diesel one electric. They both work well and are the pride of the network.

[@user-jz7zq2lk2q]

That tilting system is from Japan JR.

[@FloydBromley]

@@user-jz7zq2lk2q Britain was the first to develop it. It has been adopted in many countries.

[@user-jz7zq2lk2q]

@@FloydBromley Exactly I know the tilting system first in the world is of UK.I said Queensland Rail adopted Japan JR tilting.

[@FloydBromley]

@@user-jz7zq2lk2q yes based on Japan and developed further. The electric tilt train has the unusual record of fastest narrow gauge train in the world (by fastest tested speed, but not revenue speed).

[@user-jz7zq2lk2q]

@@FloydBromley Thank you for your prompt reply.I wanted to have travel by APT.

[@davidmorling1264]

It feels like its been 15 years since the last upload but it's only been a month damn

[@subway8448]

Yup

[@air-headedaviator1805]

That is 15 years on youtube. Makes me wonder how people like JonTron actually make profit off this.

[@mikaxms]

@@air-headedaviator1805 The sponsorships, each one of Mustard's videos has a sponsor. Coupled with the ad money from KZbin and patreon, he could make it work.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

That’s a symptom of high demand.

[@AbsintheBabe]

worth it

[@FlamingMonkey46]

Oh my God! I did not expect a mustard video about our HST that should have been!

[@idonotlikeboats9328]

George Pearson mate you have no life

[@idonotlikeboats9328]

George Pearson you’re wrong

[@nkt1]

Hopefully he'll do one about the actual HST soon.

[@FlamingMonkey46]

@@bobsemple7660 Well as said in the video the APT-P was rushed into service before is was finished, the brilliant Class 43 HST was initially meant to serve a temporary role hauling conventional rolling stock up to a maximum line speed of 125mph where permitted, until the APT system was ready for a full scale roll out on a fully electrified rail network. But in typical fashion the Class 43s entered service in 1976 and are still in service today, only now they are being slowly replaced by hitachi 800 units, much to the dismay of rail passengers and enthusiasts alike.

[@FlamingMonkey46]

@@nkt1 Wouldn't we be lucky!

[@NaenaeGaming]

People: “literal earthquake, not smooth and quiet” Me: *ride a pacer and then we’ll talk*

[@Jgvcfguy]

Don't worry they will be replaced by slightly new, slow, diesel trains in only about 10 - 40 years.

[@theunknownwarrior632]

@@Jgvcfguy the pacer is already replaced with the class 195 which is quicker and smoother than a pacer

[@nj5374]

God damn those pacers...

[@JonatasAdoM]

They've seen nothing. They should ride the back of the bus here. You'll get tossed off your seat if you don't hold for dear life.

[@shinkreytpuylap]

0:53 “Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience” **Shaking like machine gun fire**

[@dubsy1026]

The motions sickness was more to do with the journalists being smashed out on drinks than anything else.

[@juststeve5542]

That's the 1980s for you!

[@DavidBromage]

I was going to post the same thing. The only reliable report of anybody getting sick was on a press demonstration run where a few journalists had somewhat over indulged in the complimentary refreshments.

[@campkira]

Everything is flying around..... You don't drive car on 100 year old road without upgrade....

[@Marcus-xb7le]

We have the X-2000 in Sweden and it tilts, and I can't stand it. never had a trip when I wan't on the edge of puking,.

[@RendernStattGendern]

@@campkira here in germany even parts of the autobahn are more than 80 years old , no upgrade in need.

[@redhen334]

**terminators killing and taking over in the background** No one: Advert guy being held at gunpoint: smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience

[@MohitSingh-cp9dy]

Redhen Railcar SAR 🤣😂🤣😂

[@clray123]

Please stop using this meme. It sucks.

[@bienangelo2203]

@@clray123 Please Stop Complaining, We didn't ask for your Opinion

[@dan-ul8wx]

@@bienangelo2203 Yeah because that's how youtube comments work isn't it. You express your opinion and others go "no one asked". Yeah, not designed for the very purpose of expressing your opinion or anything... as opposed to the spastic memeing that appears to be the norm of this comments section

[@bienangelo2203]

@@dan-ul8wx Freedom of Speech is not allowed here, Partner.

[@stefanocb6507]

As one can read in Italian language on this wikipedia page it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train those patents (related to the APT boogies) were acquired in order to improve the design of the second generation of Pendolinos. The first generation of those Italian trains predates the APT by about 6 years and therefore was not a derivation of the APT. It was very successful in particular because of the choice to use gyroscopes in order to detect the "lead-in sopraelevation" of the tracks just _prior_ to the curves and thus smooth out the tilt seamlessly - while the British solution used the centrifugal force itself (while _already_ in the curve) in order to steer the tilt, hence the discomfort felt by many passengers, particularly in those initial tests. There is a very interesting book - still in Italian language ("Oltre il Pendolino" by Professor Konig) - which is very interesting with regard to the history and early development of the Pendolino project. While the video does make this point, I feel it should be perhaps even more clearly stated that the tilt occurs JUST FOR PASSENGER'S COMFORT. Indeed it has nothing to do with the train thus being able to travel at higher speeds in curves without derailing. In fact a non-tilting train could travel at the same speeds, however such a ride would be VERY uncomfortable for the passengers.

[@markp6982]

So who much of the patent did they buy and any idea how much paid?

[@imperialwolf7872]

We the British seem to have a knack for making incredible and innovative technological advancements, getting caught up in various teething problems, selling the technology off to other nations and then buying products off them years later that use the same technology we created in the first place.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

Now the Italians using the same technology they bought from the British in the first place...

[@nerdking3308]

You mean steal from others

[@imperialwolf7872]

@@nerdking3308 What the hell are you talking about?

[@SoupMagoosh]

@@nerdking3308???

[@markp6982]

Yes. .gov are traitors allowing or facilitating it. TSR-2 plane is an example.

[@martinxy1291]

"Its smooth and quiet" Dude I can bearly hear you with all the noise and the girl behind you is shaking violently

[@SHARDK2]

_Everything shaking violently all around._ "This is fine."

[@charlesjakesamadan4008]

@Laquelectro 2 months Later 266 Likes and 2 comments

[@arnavg7973]

@Laquelectro 1 year later with 324 likes and 3 comments

[@brianfretwell3886]

I remember finding a leaflet about the High Speed Diesel, as it was called then, saying that it was being developed in case of APT delays and that it would later be used "On secondary routes". Typical that a BR design that wasn't meant to be in service very long turned out to be their best train. The Hastings DEMUs were meant for 10 years use until electrification and lasted nearly 30 years.

[@Bob3D2000]

"It's smooth; it's quiet," he says whilst the camera shakes visibly and you can hear the cutlery rattling.

[@lanceviacrucis5170]

"Smooth,quit and overall a wonderful experience" meanwhile on the backround coffee is almost gonna fall chaos all around and camera is shakey

[@silentdrew7636]

Yeah, but all trains do that.

[@lanceviacrucis5170]

@@silentdrew7636 i know but it increased all of it to around 25%

[@lanceviacrucis5170]

@tzz1 21 here let me correct that sentence ok "Not all , japan & china's bullet trains runs so fast & so smooth" There's four mistakes there

[@silentdrew7636]

@tzz1 21 were they built using 1960s technology?

[@xcofcd]

It's really more about the tracks than the train itself. Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3y8ZKttjNSSpKs

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

An Italian-designed tilting train, based on UK technology, operating on UK rail lines where the UK-designed tilting trains failed. *_Feel The Burn...._*

[@dafuq1933]

They've been dealing with a tilted tower at Pisa for centuries, they have experience

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@@dafuq1933 >>> 👍👍

[@darryljones3009]

Technically all trains are based on UK technology.

[@MorgoUK]

Strangely, it was a Brit (John Burland) who prevented the Leaning Tower of Pisa front falling over. Now had he gone into train design....

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@@MorgoUK >>> I do not know about that. He fixed something that was NOT designed to lean. Those TRAINS, however...😝😝😝

[@drxym]

I remember going from London to Glasgow as a kid in the 70s and it was very exciting when we got an Intercity 125 which was the spinoff of this program. And 125s are still the backbone of long distance routes up until the modern day.

[@leradicideglialberi]

The Pendolino "tilting train" originated in Italy, the first prototype was the Fiat Y 0160, built in 1970 and the first running train, the ETR 401 (project 1967-73) in service during the 70s.

[@scottify633]

British engineer: My new train is a failure. Nobody could make a similar project work. Italian engineer: Hold my spageth.

[@Twiggy163]

Yea the Dutch bought Italian made high speed trains. They were shit.

[@scottify633]

@@Twiggy163 Its normal, they used to be on spageth rail. For maximum effectiveness

[@Twiggy163]

@@scottify633 They were disigned and made for high rail (get it? The Dutch: high?). But the quality was horrible.

[@vodkaboy]

@@Twiggy163 Alstom is love, Alstom is life.

[@RanFire]

The British engineers were not the problem. It was the British management and government.

[@SkeletonSyskey]

7:02 They dropped the Rolls Royce engines for ones made by British Leyland. That explains a lot.

[@torstenscholz6243]

Whenever British Failand got their hands on anything, it was safe to say it was doomed.

[@mrgreen4257]

Whats wrong with british leyland tho?

[@UndeadRenegade1]

@@mrgreen4257 everything

[@Izual001]

Hahaha, true.

[@duckmeat4674]

@@mrgreen4257 whats right with it?

[@pietrocaltabiano5544]

I have read that in 1969 Italy had already developed and launched a tilting train, first of its kind, the ETR Y 0160. In 1982 Fiat acquired patents but had already trains in service for passengers for years.

[@louiejonesponation]

The Inter-City APT is preserved at the Crewe Heritage Centre near Tesco’s Extra Crewe.

[@jamesrobert4106]

I drive past it most days. 😊

[@TheMadisonHang]

@6:28 love it how he says "smooth" right when the god damn tea cup in front of him is shaking

[@kieranl8181]

Well it good if it on the old lines tho and wish they became made more off i like the look of it we should bring it back

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

Mr Peco the old trains also did that so at the time it was counted as smooth

[@JostVanWair]

*smooth*

[@sylviaelse5086]

Fairly standard stuff for Britain. Spend money on developing something, then abandon it, and let others profit from it.

[@TRIPPLEJAY00]

It wasn't abandoned, it was put on hold. Virgin trains are still using to this day.

[@korona3103]

@Ady P Tell that to Japan lol

[@tonyjc1575]

@Ady P @korona beat me to it. No excuses when Japan, a country with a God-awful terrain of hills and mountains, could do it.

[@siangetz8808]

@Ady P what about Japan? It's even trickier terrain.

[@SebaX92]

Not only Brits are like that. Polish are same not even worse. We sold PZL to Sikorsky for 66mln zl just to buy new helicopters from Sikorsky after one year for 360 mln :/

[@wouldntyouliketoknow1840]

It’s a smooth, quiet, and all together beautiful experience….oh! That glass shaking?? It’s so excited for the experience as well!”

[@jeremysellers7986]

This is the best example of creating new problems to solve problems you already have

[@D-Man_Jam]

"On the third day of service, one even broke down." Sounds British to me.

[@torstenscholz6243]

Reminds me of the It Crowd episode where everything has a Made in Great Britain seal on it and subsequently doesn't work.

[@scottbuchanan8300]

@@torstenscholz6243 "Why's it's done that?" "Ahhhh..."

[@8-bitapple476]

FUCK YOU WE MAKE MORE STUFF THAN YOU LAZY AMERICANS JESUS WEPT

[@8-bitapple476]

YOUR LUCKY I AINT CALLING YOU FAT! Because your not your very talented people! :)

[@mrgreengenes04]

Probably leaked in the rain, too.

[@michaelgraham2347]

It's like saying don't ever fix the potholes just make bigger tires.

[@mrfaern]

it makes sense when fixing pothole require you to make expensive bridge and tunnel through mountain. Trying to solve this by clever manipulation is a valid way to go about it. It just you need more effort to make it perfect.

[@cambs0181]

And that is how the 4x4 was invented.

[@menacetosociety9076]

would u invent shoes or cover the roads with material

[@michaelgraham2347]

@@menacetosociety9076 I would just make your feet harder.

[@chucku00]

Genoa : don't fix the bridge, make jumping cars.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

« Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience... » *_GlinGlinGlingDinGeLingGeLing_** intensifies* 😂😂

[@flightmaster999]

There is a similar train called the LRC (for in Canada (operated by VIA Rail). It is made of aluminum and used to have active tilt that would allow it to run faster through curves. And it worked for quite a while until the active tilt system became too outdated and no longer reliable. So the cars are still in use today, but with the active tilt system disengaged and using "standard" locomotives. I travelled on quite a few occasions on this train between Montreal and Toronto and found it to be pretty comfortable. But when the tilting system was disabled, the trip took way too long and it made no sense to travel by train anymore.

[@DannySB991]

I just want to point out that I travel on Virgin trains Pendolinos a lot and they're amazing. Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience.

[@russko118]

the irony is that in italy we used to have pendolinos, but now no more, we have freccia now, it's like an homemade TGV

[@steevorific]

I wonder how much modern computer controlled suspension has to do with this.

[@karlosbricks2413]

@@steevorific To be honest, the APT suffered from the opposite of sea sickness. On a ship, the boat is moving, but you cannot see movement as you are inside and isolated from the sea, so that confuses your brain. The APT in original form, was compensating ENTIRELY for centrifugal forces, so you could see the train was going around a bend but not feel it, leading to your brain being confused in a similar way. Also, after some software tweaks where carriages would learn from the carriage in front what curve they were at, smoothed things out and you had a fine train by the end.

[@steevorific]

@@karlosbricks2413 Very interesting, thanks, and have a nice day.

[@Ash-928]

@@karlosbricks2413 You could say it was SEE sickness instead of sea sickness.

[@snjert8406]

Every time I watch one of these videos I can't get over how good they look! These renders look so realistic

[@1974moumita]

1:52 but thats real life...

[@houstonhelicoptertours1006]

You've seen not much then.

[@Dubbelthor]

Fun fact: Sweden uses this exact sort of train from the same company for our line of High Speed Trains due to even though shutting down a gigantic portion of the rail network, it covered most of Sweden already. And due to the sheer size of Sweden versus how many can use... well it was cheaper option to go for the Italian trains. And whilst I enjoy them very much, especially the newest fleet with more narrow plating and wiring, there is one big mistake SJ still ain't gotten fixed. The air pull is underneath... where the snow can be... like lots of snow... like clogging the vents amount... There is a reason there is a joke about how SJ is always surprised at the fact it snows in sweden...

[@gordonthetenderengine1111]

"Sooth quiet and all together a delightfull experience" Guy ahead of him be like: Bruh this is the most bumpiest ride i ever taken

[@Junimeek]

First the Bullet train, and now the APT. So, when is the video on the TGV coming out?

[@otemachi4317]

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

[@marxel4444]

maybe a video of the german ICE and why it has so much troubles?

[@NPJGlobal]

We want a TGV video !

[@alexparker4244]

The TGV12

[@sabersz]

Ooo yes! I hope they do one on the TGV cuz they're actually amazing

[@abramo7700]

"Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience." *cameraman struggles to steady the camera

[@abramo7700]

Lightway Animated Pictures it’s not stolen, there’s like 7 other comments just like mine, it’s a running gag you dimwit

[@east_bay_transit_nerd]

@Ritz Has Nitz we're all copycats

[@cheese1010]

wong 2750 and when everyone’s a copycat.....

[@flvnn.mp4]

@@east_bay_transit_nerd we're all copycats

[@Maximus_CiD]

Thank you for providing where you got your music from! always a pleasure havin these kind of people

[@paullacey2999]

Once this was withdrawn I saw this parked up for years in Glasgow,always loved seeing it.Still looks modern,such a shame we didnt pursue it properly.

[@c_walker2333]

Most KZbinrs: Quantity over quality Mustard: Quality over quantity And I love that🙌🏻^

[@hesoyam881]

Mustards content is quite a wholesome quantity. Its not too much, not too little. Maybe a bit little but the quality really does make up

[@lescovar693]

It aint much, but its honest work

[@TinCanTap]

6:19 "Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience." *plate vibrates 8 inches over the length of the video*

[@fluffx6432]

img.memecdn.com/antartica-using-the-metric-system_o_903317.jpg fuck imperial. its not 8 inches. just say 20cm. inches are so inaccurate

[@cyberleaderandy1]

This was tested on a track that ran near where we live in the Midlands. Its been pulled up long ago but I remember seeing it running and thinking what an amazing thing it was.

[@andymath1523]

When first started on railways in 1980's few on a training course I was on had been volunteers during testing both the APT and HST all found APT to be comfortable with no motion sickness . They were also onboard with some of the HST high speed runs many were done at night so they could have full possession of line due to signalling not being suitable for high speed

[@14112ido]

You can tell from that journalist's tone that he's trying so hard to avoid making any sarcastic remark

[@crawdadlando4053]

Looked and sounded like James from Top Gear.

[@alanwatts8239]

"it's quiet" you can literally hear the train sounding just as loud as him

[@user-sr4tb7tv6f]

young_eng. It’s called as being British.

[@Jammerx65]

@@crawdadlando4053 That "Journalist" is Peter Purves, best known from the childrens' TV proram "Blue Peter"

[@ianstewartorr8455]

That’s peter of blue peter not a journalist

[@NyanLama459]

Classic UK. Spend all the budget pioneering new tech only for another country to finish the job.

[@Rainaman-]

And of all countries... Italy?

[@soundseeker63]

@@Rainaman- Well isn't that the UK through and through....creative genius coupled with crap politics and incompetent management! haha....but yeah, kinda ironic it should be the Italians that finished the job and made it work reliably! Last country I would have expected to do that!

[@dan-ul8wx]

William *Ahem* HST, IC225.

[@russko118]

@@Rainaman- italy made and make lot of trains(and ship), normally for internal usage. and like england needed high velocity train in outdated network

[@bobross6602]

Just like the world War Britain does all the hard work then the US comes in and finishes the job

[@davidtaylor8548]

The Advanced Passenger Train WAS "smooth, quiet and delightful" when COMPARED TO THE TRAINS IT WAS REPLACING back in the 1970s. As for feeling queasy, the people who reported feeling sick were the hungover journalists who had been "entertained" in the hotel bar the night before at BR's expense. Regular travelers reported that on the very twisty route south from Glasgow "You didn't notice the curves, it felt as if the line had been straightened out."

[@chrisjacquier8003]

True. I travelled a number of times on the test train and dined on it later in service.

[@piyushjoshii]

your story might me true but not entertaining.

[@chrisjacquier8003]

Oh, indeed. Not entertaining but supporting David Taylor's comment. I do lament it's passing. It was an excellent train let down by those equipment suppliers which talked up their capabilities but delivered machines unfit for purpose. One can only hope that HS2 requires their property or, better still, goes past their front doors. I hope that is more entertaining.

[@5tanne5on5ea]

When this train was about to be produced after the trial runnings of the prototype I was Managing a Travel Agency in the UK. I was invited to travel on this train for a sample ride down to London. With a couple of days to go the invitation was withdrawn, and the run never took place. The project was cancelled shortly afterwards!

[@satan1149]

British space program: Launched a rocket then got cancelled British high speed rail: built an almost working train, then got cancelled goddamnit guys

[@user-ky6vw5up9m]

Neb Htims Britain did build a successful high speed train, it is still running today and holds the world speed record for a diesel service.

[@MrFifaisbest]

This is what happens when you have tories in power

[@TheBenchPressMan]

Rick Sanchez - Labour are equally shite, idiot.

[@cameronknapp7315]

Can’t British 🇬🇧 businesses do anything right?

[@cameronknapp7315]

Ian McGreevy, so the British 🇬🇧 high speed rail 🛤 did do something right.

[@sebdoe]

Delay issues instead of fixing them. The good old British way.

[@MrNeboff]

lol

[@risannd]

Even Brexit

[@lukemills6173]

So true

[@defensepadglobal8501]

Now i got y Indian government system is slow in desicion making.

[@theyoshi202]

The good old American way: deny issues instead of fixing them. And if that doesn’t work, just ignore them and let the next president deal with it.

[@Tea_N_Crumpets]

Reminds me of the swedish X-2000, with the whole “leaning into turns” thing.

[@pinza.d9007]

What people forget is it was only on a press release service full of travel critics that people felt sick. The story goes that the drink was flowing (hospitality?) and thus it was too much alcohol rather than the train that caused people to be sick.

[@KyunaCookies]

I suspect maybe the critics or the entire rating was paid off by air companies

[@danchang9976]

Thanks for uploading my mustard man.

[@L00PdeL00P]

These videos are the best of their kind. Your Jet Age Aesthetics and easy to understand graphics and writing are so great to bear witness too. You’re truly a favorite creator of mine.

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

I like all of your aerospace videos and I like that you've branched out a bit into marine and rail videos. I think some good rail-related topics to cover could include attempts to revive & revolutionize steam traction like the American ACE 3000 or British 5AT projects, the massive (in both size & failure) Baldwin Centipede, or, if you're looking for a success story, the EMD FT, the diesel-electric locomotive that ended steam.

[@gareth5000]

I went on them many times, they were fabulous. Fast, quite and smooth. No one was sick, I can assure you.

[@Fred_the_1996]

No one was sick because everyone would have passed out by the time the train took a curve lol

[@gareth5000]

Only the lying media after the free booze

[@dukenukem5768]

That didn't matter. What mattered was the jounalists on the press demo ride were sick from over-indulging in the free booze that BR had provided the night before.

[@MrShadow1617]

@@dukenukem5768 Well, unfortunately those journalists also had quite a lot of press power that BR failed to realise.

[@gusti187]

Jesus, we got a new Mustard video, thx for a new genius work, could u make a video about the 747? Or maybe about the approaches to the middle of the market in the aerospace industry? Would love to see something like this 👍

[@danieljohnson1763]

I wanna see that

[@legitbeans9078]

"it's smooth, it's quiet" PLATE RATTLING INTENSIFIES 🤣🤣🤣

[@oliveryoung8867]

Gotta say man love your videos really appreciate the visuals and 3D modelling you showcase! Do you model the vehicles yourself or get them off the internet somewhere?

[@LesAventuresDeTigRRe]

‘Smooth, quiet, and all together a delightful experience’ Like this channel. Except this channel delivers!

[@nicologelain8836]

The first active tilting train was ETR Y 0160 built by FIAT Ferroviaria for italian railway FS,and after that was built the ETR 401 for passenger use. 😉

[@superbeni7297]

And then there was the ETR 470 which, well, did not fare that well in Switzerland. A true passenger favorite, they even named them Cessoalpino

[@nicologelain8836]

@@superbeni7297 Yea that's true. Here in Italy the trains are still in service in Frecciabianca (ETR 470 & ETR 460) and Frecciargento (ETR 480, ETR 485 & ETR 600) brand

[@superbeni7297]

@@nicologelain8836 And as far as i know they aren't even unreliable? The ETR 610 we have here a pretty awesome, my favourite trains, very comfortable.

[@nicologelain8836]

@@superbeni7297 Yes, they work very well. They were updated during the year, like new ERTMS train protection systems,so they can run also in High Speed line.

[@glennridehalgh4491]

As a retired BR /Virgin trains driver at Preston it made me chuckle when the old drivers found out the APT was forever breaking down they renamed it ATP or All Push Together!!!!

[@b1gfronto685]

So glad i stumbled upon your channel this is the content i have been longing for!

[@ThatSpiffingChap]

This is classic Britain in the 20th century. Have a great idea, have great engineering, get fucked over by politics and money. Then the salt in the wound, another country takes the core idea and follows through with completing it for us to buy back! It's just saddening.

[@tams805]

The only thing that really succeeded was the Harrier. And even then, no real successor was sort (although the F35 uses a lot of British technology). APT, Concorde, the ACVs (channel hovercraft), rockets (Blue Streak (missile), Black Knight (rocket), Black Prince (rocket), and Black Arrow), TSR, VC10... Quite a few did all right, and of those actually made they all worked very well in principle, but none were a great success and therefore didn't get their kinks sorted out. I suppose Rolls Royce is the only one really left. Well, Astro-Zenica if we're going beyond traditional engineering. I'd include ARM, but that's later and has recently been tossed around.

[@alaindumas1824]

Britain was often a pioneer but not here. The first Italian tilting train (ETR 401) entered service in 1976, five years before the APT.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Nothing of the APT ended up in the Pendolino. It's just a legend. Apart for the fact that the Pendolino prototype, FIAT Y 0160, was built in 1970, while the APT prototype run for the first time only at the end of 1971, and the first commercial Pendolino (ETR 401) became operative in 1976 and had been retired from passenger service only in 2008, the working principle of the two is different. Pendolino has two gyroscopic and accelerometric transducers on the two bogies of every car, instead of a single accelerometer on the center of the car. That means that it reads the inclination of the track at the start of the turn, and can react in advance and more precisely than the APT system, avoiding the oscillations and imbalances that were the cause of the motion sickness of the British project. That's why it had been so successful worldwide. The only reason why FIAT bought the British patents in the '80s, was to avoid someone else buying them and developing them in a competitor project.

[@consti9641]

Would love a video about the German ICE and the French TGV!

[@mau3304]

Flippy Official from Warschau to Auschwitz

[@Volodimar]

@@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023 /unexpectedhitler

[@ignaciojoseplayherrero4065]

@@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023 May I suggest that you delete such a mischievous comment?

[@khakiwolf4146]

I've actually been on the London ---> Glasgow train. Was there in Sept 2019. It was a nice ride with the new trains. Very comfortable.

[@billcurtis7240]

Great video, very well researched and narrated. We went on the original APT trials up to York and it all worked perfectly we were going at 150MPH round bends and it was smooooth. Sad it was dropped because it was a fantastic train.

[@dlemon90]

Pretty cool that you got to experience riding the APT when it was the hot new technology... even now I’m impressed seeing footage of it snaking it’s way through those tight s-curves.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

I love 70s futuristic designs. They look so Ralph-McQuarrie-y.

[@Gabriel-he6ih]

Theres just something pleasing when im watching your videos No clickbait, amazing animations, amazing stories, I love it!

[@flo.hebeisen]

We in Switzerland still heavily use trains that have active tilting. This because on a lot of the swiss routes, there isn't any possibility to build a straight track (it's difficult to do so between a lake an a mountain, that both won't move a cm to the side). Our advatage was, that we introduced the tilting trains first in the late 1990s (to be excact: the first of these trains were delivered in 1999), when the tech was more advanced. Fun Fact: the trains were introduced more and more in the very early 2000s, because they were ment to transport millions of tourists visiting the country for the expo 2002. Another fact about the expo and the trains: only 30% of all 10.3 million visitors used the car to get to the different expositions. In general, i really like the thought behind these trains and i think, that they are very comfortable and like the idea, that i wouldn't be able to get from a to b that quickly without them.

[@techsbyglebbagrov7470]

5:20 Love how the amplitude of the front window cleaner matches the music beat

[@priyansubhagabati8157]

Bruh

[@danielcraig243]

We have had tilting high speed trains in Sweden since the early 90s. They are called X2000/X2 and are still running. Top speed is 200 km/h on rail built over 100 years ago

[@nou-jn6uz]

Phlydaily is becoming a part of the weeb army

[@leonkernan]

Plus the X2000 has travelled the world, we even had one for demonstrations in Australia!

[@danielcraig243]

@@leonkernan Nice! KZbin taught me they had a visit to the United States aswell

[@MinRobCop]

They can run higher but arent allowed to

[@CoalCandyX]

The X2000 is truly a great train. Great enough to make the national rail company invest in a total renovation of them to be able to run them for 20 more years.

[@vooyas.mp4]

Another absolutely perfect video! The quality, the use of music, graphics and writing are just spot on! Glad to see a sponsorship appear, will sure help the channel grow! Can't wait for another Mustard

[@nmh75556]

Great video. I had the original hornby trainset of the APT-P. The last remaining unit can be seen at Crewe heritage museum.

[@pogsterplays]

Your videos are great, dude. Keep up the good work!

[@hugoe231500]

Please do the another legend of UK's railway: the HST125!!

[@user-ky6vw5up9m]

The APT was not a legend . It was a failure but agreed HS125 is a legend.

[@maninahole]

0:50 Hilarious! “Smooth”, He’s using his arms to support himself whilst the woman behind him bounces from side to side. “Quiet” he says whilst the cutlery’s rattling. Looks comfortable.

[@Rainaman-]

Denial at its best. Just like Dyatlov from HBO Chernobyl

[@JIS31114]

Very pleasant find! Very glad I found this channel! Thank you!

[@voocheditz3739]

5:20 i love the wipers move to the beat🤣

[@saintuk70]

The APT sat, for many years, in a siding in Glasgow. Everyday on the way to school I would look in awe of this futuristic train - such a shame it never came to fruition.

[@carneeki]

The (only briefly) mentioned HST became the XPT in NSW, Australia, and it is still in service today for the long distance country routes, though our state government says it will be replaced in 2023.