This wacky integral has a beautiful result

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I think this is an integral that Euler himself would be proud of. Solving it is a pretty wild ride with lots of cool techniques invoked.
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@justcuzy3673
@justcuzy3673 2 ай бұрын
*pi(e-1), as k sum started at 1 instead of 0.
@Spiderp-p1l
@Spiderp-p1l 2 ай бұрын
*thankfully* you're mistaken, he just accidentally wrote a 1 instead of 0(trace back to the double sum)
@hizon525
@hizon525 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, happens at 9:49
@sadboy4today187
@sadboy4today187 2 ай бұрын
I love watching these videos as they satisfy my math brain needs. Keep up the good work man 👍
@xizar0rg
@xizar0rg 2 ай бұрын
So much of "we're on the right track if it looks cool" comes from being able to recognize the patterns, which comes from practice with the patterns. (Also, I'm very sure the author is aware of many integrals where "it looks cool" takes you down the wrong rabbit holes.)
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
I'm making a video related to that concept tomorrow 😭
@ericthegreat7805
@ericthegreat7805 2 ай бұрын
Math is just magic
@CM63_France
@CM63_France 2 ай бұрын
Hi, "ok, cool" : 2:16 , 6:06 , 7:30 , 8:05 , "terribly sorry about that" : 3:06 , 3:51 , 8:23 , 10:21 , 11:16 .
@julianwang7987
@julianwang7987 2 ай бұрын
At 8:10, sin((2k+1)x)/sin(x) should have equaled 1 + 2 * sum_(n=1)^k{cos(2nx)}
@achrafsaadali7459
@achrafsaadali7459 2 ай бұрын
I was about to comment this mistake as well
@thegoofiestgoooberr
@thegoofiestgoooberr 2 ай бұрын
fortunately, the answer was still correct as the term ended up going to zero anyway once the bounds of integration were applied
@Anonymous-Indian..2003
@Anonymous-Indian..2003 2 ай бұрын
Me used f(z) = eᶻ / (z - 1) Contour |z| = 1 And then find half residue.
@MrWael1970
@MrWael1970 2 ай бұрын
Very nice solution, but the result should equal to ((pi*e/2)-1). This is due to starting index variable k from 1. Thank you.
@xanterrx9741
@xanterrx9741 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful Result thanks for making video
@GeoPeron
@GeoPeron 2 ай бұрын
Ah yes, pie, served warm and tasty like some oily maccaroni.
@איתיבירנבוים
@איתיבירנבוים 2 ай бұрын
When can you swap the integral operator and the Re/Im operators? because it's not always the same result, I think I saw some examples for this with path integrals... By the way, your videos are amazing!
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
@@איתיבירנבוים oh yeah path integrals are a whole different ball park. For "regular" you'll come across like the ones on my channel, if it doesn't seem divergent, go for the switch up. The actual rigorous approach is dominated convergence.
@SoumalyaPatra07
@SoumalyaPatra07 2 ай бұрын
​@@maths_505 Monotone convergence theorem fascinates me so much as it gets rid of complex situations while solving questions.
@shanmugasundaram9688
@shanmugasundaram9688 2 ай бұрын
There is an error in writing the Dirichelt kernel.But it never changes the result.
@daveydd
@daveydd 2 ай бұрын
Pretty epic but I'm tired of these answers always having π and e. Maybe you could try also some other interestingly enough integrals that don't follow these typical answerss? Please :D
@jayaprakashb1
@jayaprakashb1 2 ай бұрын
Kamal, can you formulate the tools you use before you start solving ? It gives me an opportunity to attempt on my own first and see how I screwed up in spite of the tips😀😀
@DaMonster
@DaMonster 2 ай бұрын
I love this stuff but can you tell me - did you just pick all the tricks you wanted to use THEN come up with an integral that could be solved with them?
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
Nah I don't often do that
@Mr_Mundee
@Mr_Mundee 2 ай бұрын
can you do this using contour integration? and can you also do z/e^z -1 using contour integration from 0 to infinity
@sachacloot1925
@sachacloot1925 2 ай бұрын
i have try the residue theorem on it by substitue e^ix = y, but i can't get the right result i don't know why i always got 2epi it like doing the integrale from 0 to 2pi, i don't understand why it's not working
@jejnsndn
@jejnsndn 2 ай бұрын
4:14 can you substitute sinx by the imaginary part of e^ix ?
@daveydd
@daveydd 2 ай бұрын
Y- No. That's like having an additional imaginary part in the denominator and it wouldn't lead you anywhere.
@chaosredefined3834
@chaosredefined3834 2 ай бұрын
So, at the end, we still don't know if it's rational or irrational :P
@jagrrr2279
@jagrrr2279 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting! I have to ask, where do all of these integrals come from?
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
This one's derived from the 2023 MIT integration bee semi finals. It was an antiderivative problem that I tweaked.
@mohamadshakarami4258
@mohamadshakarami4258 2 ай бұрын
How did you write sin[2k+1]x /sinx=......... Where can i find a proof?
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
@@mohamadshakarami4258 Wikipedia
@slavinojunepri7648
@slavinojunepri7648 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic
@gambitito
@gambitito 2 ай бұрын
dirichlet kernel is crazy. also the "i" in your imaginary part looks like a 9 ngl
@robertsandy3794
@robertsandy3794 2 ай бұрын
Kept wondering why you didn't change the sin x in the denominator to e^-ix until the end
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
What da??
@robertsandy3794
@robertsandy3794 2 ай бұрын
​@@maths_505you changed the sin x in the numerator using Euler's formula such that you got 2 exponentials, one of them being e^ix. Was wondering until the end of the problem why you didn't do that to the denominator
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
@@robertsandy3794 it's cool happened to me once too 😂
@jejnsndn
@jejnsndn 2 ай бұрын
Do you want to share geomtry problems?
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
I'll ask the community if they want to see geometry here too.
@bingchilling8384
@bingchilling8384 2 ай бұрын
You should do a video with only black or very dark ink 😂
@zinzhao8231
@zinzhao8231 2 ай бұрын
Do you usually check your work before uploading it? 😂
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
Only the final result in Wolfram alpha 😭
@TheNarukman
@TheNarukman 2 ай бұрын
OK, Cool! ;)
@potatadiggary1125
@potatadiggary1125 2 ай бұрын
So the answers 9. ~Engineers 😊
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
Yes indeed
@PetroGhost2890
@PetroGhost2890 2 ай бұрын
Which app do you use?
@maths_505
@maths_505 2 ай бұрын
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