This Was A Very Dumb Challenge Idea...

[@vumasster]

NYEEEEERRRRRAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH - Terran Academy

[@Ahakenab]

As a child I made sude to only click that building once for the marine range upgrade and then never again... I really disliked that noise.

[@Jason-MOT]

That noise gave me life as a kid

[@anvietanh6723]

Words you can hear

[@You-Know-Youre-Right]

real

[@proofofpower]

Took me until … just this year to realize that it is a guy yelling in celebration of graduating ….

[@ChannelMiner]

"This defensive crap just isn't working! This is just like Mar Sara, man... Look, it's risky, but I think we can save the Colonists and still buy time to get off-world. If we attack the main Zerg Hive Cluster, they'll have to recall their forces to protect the nerve center." Then Jim fails horribly and has to be saved by Tassadar showing up with 50 scouts.

[@Blazieth]

Well, to be fair, Jim didn't fail. He did what he set out to do. it was just the aftermath that was the problem.

[@greatmightypanda]

He can't have done that badly if scouts were able to be useful

[@ChannelMiner]

@@greatmightypanda scouts have a moderate durability, can deal lots of damage to air and a bit to ground when massed, like any air unit that can shoot both air and ground they form a deathball the issue is the cost but since Tassadar just shows up with them for free in Biting the Bullet theyre the reason why u win the mission

[@Blazieth]

@@greatmightypanda Eh, the main issue with Scouts has always been cost, and time to train, not power. These are free, and there's a LOT of them.

[@TC-cq7oc]

20:24 - "That awkward moment where you're playing Starcraft: Brood War and there's creep at your main." ...and then you look into the mirror and see a Zerg player staring back at you, like in The Metamorphosis.

[@fare-5174]

Grant: I was doing really well, until that first attack started... and never ended. Don't we all, Grant. Don't we all.

[@optimusprime9931]

16:42 Guess Cheater AI 3 was Overmind from the Deathless SC1 Protoss run He wasn't gonna stand for any form of usage of canons.

[@desfoxofthedesert]

4:56 the average experience for any Terran who ever set foot on Char (unless you have those Gorgon boys)

[@doomslayer7670]

Scourge.

[@lytehaus4686]

For that PvZ mission, you essentially recreated “In Utter Darkness”. Hehe

[@WolfyTheDark]

5:00 is a real Terran moment where Terran 1 hits its peak with a huge wave of Zerg being held at bay by a few tanks and marines givin' it everything they got.

[@devilpistons1269]

For Terra! For the Throne!

[@DainRiffgin89]

Can we all appreciate how good those modded models are? They look exactly like what Starcraft 1 would've looked like if it had come out when Starcraft 2 did. Plus with the classic sounds and music, it is pure art!

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

YES.

[@Evan-mt7bc]

I think the answer is try to find some build that optimizes Siege Tank production with repair money and just hold that ramp on 1 base, when the enemy starts running out of steam from mining out take the expo to fund your money to crush them. The problem I see with this though is again, the money and the muta flanks. In normal 1v7 challenges you do spend the first 25-40 minutes depending on map just in your main with your ideally in base expansion waiting for the AI to mine out the map. There's no moving out or holding a position, you just fortify your ramp as hard as you can and turtle for 40 minutes until you can A move them with your chosen death weapon. I don't see it possible on this map because it's very vulnerable to mutas and your choke point does not include your expansion. You usually need a brutal choke point that includes your expansion.

[@Nurk0m0rath]

I actually kinda lucked into a similar build in one of the few warcraft 3 skirmish games I ever played. I was playing night elves and basically ran a small crew of archers and huntresses around defensive moonwells against much bigger and higher-tech armies until the enemy ran out of money. By the time I'd built up an attacking army the enemy's bases were pretty much shot and their reinforcements were sparse. All about that resource efficiency man. I certainly didn't know the game well enough or have the fine control to win otherwise.

[@朕是神]

Spawn broodlings.

[@Viper40758]

Ill never get tired of a SC1 tank line. Beautiful

[@eaglepeakalpha]

16:09 I guess carriers aren't the only thing that traumatized the overmind and he got so triggered by the existence of a protoss cannon that he decided to rush it with all of his drones

[@daredaemon8878]

All the SC2 versions of this I've seen that succeeded were on maps made to accommodate 2v2v2v2, cuz it meant you could kill your neighbor and then fortify your now four bases.

[@hoofhearted4]

Happy to see uThermal mentioned. I got into your channel simply because I was watching his stuff and the algorithm suggested me yours. Which was perfect. I dont care about competitive play, but I loved how he played with handicaps and gimmicks....which is what you do.

[@SquallLionhart409]

SC1 storms were indeed 112 damage, dealt in 8 hits of 14 damage. Notably, workers for two of the races die from three total ticks of damage, while the final worker takes *five* ticks to die. This contributes massively towards why storm drops onto mineral lines are so powerful in mid-late PvP and PvZ but almost never seen in PvT. (42 damage in 3 ticks to kill 40 HP workers and 56 damage in 4 to fail to kill 60 HP workers.)

[@boomshockalocka]

4:55 Grant says he wants to explore. Like the prophecy foretold, the attack is already underway.

[@danpitzer765]

I wonder if the bizarre bunker comp I used back in the days of brood war would work for this? 2 marines, 1 firebat, one GHOST. Ghostie was in there because of the range of the canister rifle. Made it much harder to out-range the bunker. I can't say it was *good*, but it was different, and maybe that difference would help.

[@De_Nome]

It is probably a very good idea in this case because the Ghosts do full damage against small units such as zerglings, hydralisks and mutalisks but make it so that all the bunkers have ghosts in them.

[@liamholt5623]

I think that comp was the OG Bronze Leauge Hero comp. So of course I used it every single time.

[@barbarianchief81]

Videos like this is why I watch Grant, sets an impossible challange for himself and even if he didn't beat it his time it just made him more determined, Its the same feeling as watching Goku

[@buggy742]

i love the vomit-tinted rainbow from all the zerg units clustered together. probably the silliest spectacle in this game XD

[@AnonymousEnough-yo9qp]

I've heard of cannon rushing workers, but never worker rushing cannons.

[@Luwi1996]

GiantGrantGames, unrivaled master of scan timing

[@nurglessohn9234]

I love the terran medic and the fact that there are always two remaing healing eachother. Brood War ftw.

[@Nukepositive]

At 12:40, when the tanks siege across the gap, that may be the key to victory. On lower difficulties, I've been able to trap more than 1 of the AI players into trying to "defend" that area by keeping armies there that can't shoot back. It burns them out faster and they don't contribute to the deathball at the front door. I also set up my wall and tanks farther forward on the low ground so that it is somewhat narrower of a chokepoint.

[@erothrenmacarfime1981]

GG: We got one base and we got... half a base. Marine: We gotta move.

[@piscythe]

Grant: oh no they're teching. The Zerg: he will run out of storms before we run out of zerg

[@garrettwilson4754]

One of the weirder cheeses you can do against AI in BW is to build some cannons in the enemy base, then use a worker to attack a building; it pulls all their workers to defend and they die (as long as your cannons finish)

[@sunshine5429]

This was fun! Would love to see you give it another shot for both races after some time plotting

[@TheArklyte]

I would assume the strategy would be to saturate pop cap asap and then slowly transition to pop efficient units as losses happen, no? Resource efficiency doesn't matter as you will never be able to outlast them or outproduce so you need a force that can hold and start eliminating as fast as possible. And in this case production buildings are more important then their units as unit travel time becomes the time you have between enemy waves. If you production is alway in place to replace losses while enemy has to top and then travel, you're always in preferable supply, no? So your mistake was low number of barracks?

[@Blundabus1337]

5:02 perfect timing for that hook in the SC soundtrack.

[@doomslayer7670]

Lore accurate zerg invasion.

[@seriouscasualgamer9580]

17:15 "nobody could have expected that" Except every people who watched uThermal's runs as Protoss, where he used this exact strat to take his nieghbour out every time XD

[@Meep-y5l]

For the P vs Z you could have taken cheater AI 3s base

[@De_Nome]

Big Game Hunters against full AI was so much fun.

[@karadinx]

Fun video. The AI certainly gets a crazy amount of free resources. Would certainly be interested to see you do more attempts, slowly learning how to hold off the AI long enough to actually drain their banks.

[@ryapowa]

Fun fact: In SC1, Ensnare doesn't actually reduce Siege Tank or Goliath attack speed as their guns are considered a separate, invulnerable unit

[@buddyj5VCO]

Pov you're one of the last templar holdouts on Aiur after the evac finished.

[@GaryFromLiberty]

Hey Grant, is highlighting your workers before each match something that serves a gameplay purpose or just a habit you happen to have?

[@Blazieth]

Ahhh, Starcraft 1 Tanks. So satisfying. Also I love SC1 Evo for actually using a model that LOOKS like the original Arclite Siege Tanks.

[@breathofire1449]

2:58 Hello screaming man, my old friend // Can I have stimpacks again?

[@telepaper1]

It feels like quickly getting Dark Archons with Maelstrom could've been a play

[@SeriousApache]

Grant will never remember uranium isotopes

[@DAKRACKEN123]

I wonder if the "Big Game Hunter" map ever got a proper port over to SC2. I recall many hours turtling out against the AI just barely holding them at bay with the never ending mineral fields

[@ivory9494]

That name made me immediately nostalgic

[@inductivegrunt94]

Playing this as Terran is like All In and Protoss is like In Utter Darkness. Shame Grant didn't have any Gorgons or the Spear of Adun to throw at the Zerg.

[@nolalb824]

Is there a custom capaign of stc 2 remade in stc1?

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Ah! I do have a question; how does target priority work? Is there a formula like: target priority - distance to see if its worth changing target or something along those lines? I feel like cracking the code of this game a little bit!

[@shadow23452233]

I'd love to see more of this sorta stuff!

[@Snowfireblues]

Fun Fact: U-238 is often the isotope found in depleted uranium used for ammunition. U-235 is the isotope often found in nuclear weapons!

[@momom6197]

You play Protoss like me in brood war: healthy density of cannons everywhere, in the base! xD

[@MrJuratyp]

This awesome terran music gives me such a nostalgic chill

[@Medex2007]

Would love to see a return to this DIY Brood War All In

[@boomshockalocka]

final thoughts: I'd like to see you figure this out. and if you can't, I'd like to see your best attempt.

[@Cylindryk]

Hm... I think defensive nuke could be ideal here.

[@matapros69]

for those challenge runs, i recommend u a classic, "fastest map possible", its called like that its similar to this one

[@communist754]

Go arbiters and force field your choke point with stasis fielded enemy units. Also, build shield batteries

[@nobodyherepal3292]

How is he using SC1 skins and units in SC2?

[@brennantmi5063]

Probably said elsewhere in the comments but they way uThermal achieved this is on a 2v2v2v2 map where you and one of the cheater ai share a choke. Building into the choke pulls the neighbors drones and you kill them early to take them off the table and take their minerals. Then you dig in at the choke and hold out until the 6 remaining ai mine out the map and then run out of units. From what I understand just letting them come to you on their terms is not good enough, you have to poke and provoke them into taking fights that are bad for them. Then, once they can no longer build units you have to do the terrifying act of leaving the choke and finishing off the remainder units.

[@silencearts33]

This is so goofy, I really enjoyed it ✨

[@patconner2638]

If i remember my BW correctly, muta vs Goliath is really upgrade dependant; particularly the Goliath range boost... But, overall, goliaths have the edge in small engagements, but get steamrolled en mass without some marine+medic, BC, irradiate, or turret support (though, with support mass mutas quickly become unviable) Welcome to corrections in replies... I'm incredibly rusty

[@telepaper1]

Funnily enough, Artosis just casted a Starcraft 1 TvZ where T went for a lot of goliaths into mutas

[@SomeGuy-ty7kr]

In spite of the defeat, this was a very interesting video.

[@Nekoyashiki-san]

Thanks for the fun! ^^

[@Frank_144]

You can do it Grant, let's try it again

[@maryrose2676]

This "challenge" is actually my favourite in the map Big Game Hunters.

[@Regunes]

Imo not even considering the little amount of ressource available, abyss has quite the mediocre chokes. When Hydralisk cost as little as a roach and get Queen support I don't think holding them in at natural would work, I would have probably tried to make it work out of one base and pray Guardians don't start flanking from 360° angles lol. Would also play zerg, because BROOODWAAAAR

[@kennedyyu6787]

Lore accurate invasion of aiur

[@damiens4601]

I thought this was something else lol

[@liamholt5623]

What exactly is going on in the Terran schools? No Academy I ever visited sounded like that

[@expepem189xl3]

I think you can beat it on this exact map, protoss attempt was going very well, if you had more money in bank, via not building 9 gates for no reasone, and getting attack upgrade with no attacking unit, you would do really good, wouldn't you? They were almost out of gas, so only zerglings from that point. And Storms in sc 1, is just insta kill of zerglings...

[@PeterZaitcev]

You can't do this on the Abyss. You'll be trading your army positively, but not 7x positively. You need a map when you can take more bases than your opponents. I.e. by destroying them quickly enough.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

You'll just have to learn from uThermal, the AI slayer.

[@mcnudelchen2190]

I wonder if you could bait all AI to send there workers, when you had placed the canons in the center in the beginning 😆

[@ExtraRaven_]

what we really want is char 2

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Haven't played SC:Evo in months, loving the new models they've added!

[@catbertsis]

As a protoss, can you do a true Bisu, walling with DTs and denying detection with corsairs/scouts?

[@karpai5427]

Your opinion on protoss scouts in SC:Evo?

[@eglewether5523]

I am disappointed that AI didnt go for 15th base xD

[@BuddyWudzyn]

When do we get out GGG-UThermal collab??

[@Frank_144]

THIS IS SO GOOD

[@heyimSkyee]

The swarmmmm

[@zenoen]

it looks do-able. Hope you do get a chance to achieve victory.

[@matthewjoslin6777]

I'm curious if people think bunkers or photon canons are better.

[@Influfferious]

Cheater AI mine more efficiently, so they get more minerals for every mineral they mine

[@Ethnicgnome]

You can play sc1 in sc2???

[@insanecheapo195]

holup how are sc1 hydras weaker than sc2 hydras? sc1 always felt beefier to me and ofc cheaper

[@erikhandschuch2279]

, it's lore acurete zerg. They just keep coming, cool video

[@LordStarFire]

yeay it is Grant time :D

[@squashiejoshie200000]

You weren't really respecting the challenge. You came in without a plan when it took a professional grandmaster multiple attempts *with* a plan to achieve with a much wider toolset. Don't get me wrong, I do think you can do it, just... not like this. For example, in the Terran game, as soon as you have siege tanks, you don't need marines and medics anymore. Use goliaths or Valkyries for air defense and siege tanks for ground. Save the minerals for repairing the most health/space efficient wall you can build. For Protoss, Cannons are a good use of minerals, but your units should probably be 100% high templar and dark archon. If you are stealing every muta that attacks you and adding them to your defense like All-in, you'll probably last longer. Those are just my over-authoritatively stated suggestions. and by all means, disregard them, but just remember, it took someone experienced in these challenges multiple attempts with a plan to succeed.

[@Diree]

The AI is good? Well ... they could've just gone guardians and defeated you without you being able to defend yourself. If they have perfect map vision. So, I'm not really that impressed. Still, entertaining. ;)

[@blardraki5305]

try zerg lurkers they're quick to rush

[@EuSouOBarman]

try sc 1 terran vs sc 2 zergs

[@matijamaksan4344]

Amazing!

[@RuneKatashima]

I miss FFA and I think the death of that mode is what made me really leave Starcraft. Couldn't get any queues through. Was always fun.

[@SOULsick0]

What if we had a “smash bros ultimate mod” which sc2 and 1 all Warcraft factions. AOE 2 AND AOM civs in one mod

[@SOULsick0]

It would be impossible to add aoe and aom

[@L3monsta]

​@@SOULsick0well, likely not, the amount of flexibility in the editor should make it possible to essentially add the exact units and resources and anything else... but the amount of work makes it unfeasable. The patching would be sc2s pathing though.

[@Pizza7478]

@@L3monsta I feel like the C&C factions would be more feasible. SC1+2 Terrans, SC1+2 Zerg, SC1+2 Protoss, GDI, NOD, Scrin, Allies, Soviets, Yuri, Empire of the Rising Sun, all in the same match. Can you imagine the insanity?

[@L3monsta]

@@Pizza7478 I agree, plus I think thematically it makes much more sense for guys with future tech to be fighting each other than fighting medieval knights and what not.

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

GLHF Grant!

[@karpai5427]

SC: Evo is the best Starcraft 2. I wish it was compatible with Wings of Liberty. I don't even want to understand how to play Legacy of the Void. It is the worst Starcraft 2 has to offer.

[@totallynotdsl8507]

Miau miau miau miaaauu

[@kirkmack1992]

No real scale 😔