This WEIRD anime debate just went viral... (Haikyuu vs Blue Lock)

[@myname7937]

I'd argue that Kageyama has similar mental abilities to Isagi, he just doesn't monologue about it every other pass. He passes the ball perfectly by predicting where and when it would be hit and he keeps track of his entire team perfectly, allowing for an attack with 4 fakes we've seen in the show.

[@bartiii7617]

I havent watched Haikyuu so maybe Im just blabbering here but in one of the blue lock spin offs, it is said that when isagi was a child, he was a crybaby, crying when he notices a mosquito that no average human would notice normally, crying when he senses rain before it even happens. Though that doesnt really show the whole part of his mental ability, also note that while he outsmarts most of everyone else in blue lock, everyone in blue lock are 300 of the best high school players in Japan, they arent just random fodder to show that he is better.

[@myname7937]

@@bartiii7617 considering there is only 1 attacker per an eleven-man team, 300 is still a pretty big number. I don't remember what kind of tournament they're in at season 4 but he's bound to be one of the top 10 or 20 spikers in the country, even if we haven't met all of them. As for the childhood story, that's blue lock being blue lock. They hype up mundane realizations like thinking about your teammate's moevements, tell bearly plausable stories to make characters look cool, or repeat the word "egoist" 300 times because "american words = cool". The reason kageyama doesn't have that kind of story isn't necessarily because his perception is worse, but because haikyuu's main target audience is teenage boys, instead of edgy teenage boys.

[@bartiii7617]

@@myname7937 top 10 or 20 in the country? I know its supposed to be anime only but spoiler alert, isagi is now on par with world class u20 players, and a while back, they defeated japans u20 team

[@acuothacuoth502]

@@bartiii7617 spoiler later hes playing with the world 12 equally and the top teams

[@nathangaspacio6128]

thats highly unlikely. Isagi's mental abilities is half the reason people criticise blue lock for being so unrealistic, because it is beyond superhuman. Kageyama keeping track of his team perfectly doesn't compare to how Isagi is able to to foresee, predict and visualise an entire football field of high tier players. Think about how a world class chess player has to see into the future to predict all the possible moves their opponent could play and what moves are good or bad. Imagine that instead of pieces that can only move a certain way, controlled by a single person, Isagi foresees the movements of 21 players who are all actively trying to take the ball off him and steal their own goal, each with their own mind and abilities and the freedom to move anywhere. Even as early as in the anime, Isagi is able to do all this while executing high speed plays. It is incomparable to kageyama, even before metavision

[@metalnitro99]

Left out Isagi's greatest strength which is adaptability. The potential is limitless for this in a game like volleyball where adapting quickly is probably even more crucial than football. Also definitely think your vastly underestimating Isagi's physique, especially later on, but I get that since Haikyuu manga is done and specifically the anime is way further in than Blue Lock, the prediction can't be accurate.

[@blacewest5999]

considering the 28 chapter game just finished, that'd be a great point to compare against the anime.

[@oofink467]

The adaptability was a result in idolizing and constantly learning about soccer from a young age. It’d likely have a much weaker effect on a game that is fundamentally completely differently, Volleyball is a significantly harder sport to pick up than football and it can seriously affect Isagi’s ability to use his weapon (spacial awareness) since without proper technique, everything Isagi does is at risk of being done poorly and ends up losing a point. Volleyball is more about the slow implementation of consistent and powerful strategies, while Football is more about making use of position and spotting weaknesses in the opponents defence to break through and score a goal, Soccer requires much more on-the-spot thinking while Volleyball (outside of the setter position) is more about playing consistently so as to not make possibly critical point losing mistakes

[@LucRio448]

@@oofink467 Well, I'*d be honestly curious about that one. I know that in esports that very different for example, strictly talking about game sense. People who have a lot of game sense in one MOBA for example don't just manage to transfer that very well to other MOBAs, but they also tend to pick up pretty hiigh game sense reltively quickly too once they pick up for example an RTS game. The transition from great Starcraft players to great League of Legends or DotA 2 coaches/analysts shows that pretty well in my opinion (and likely there are others I don't know about at all).

[@oofink467]

The example of MOBAS is a bit off, its more like comparing CSGO and Sands of time (MCC). One is a tactical shooter that has a low barrier to entry, but the skill ceiling can be stretched according to experience, while the other is a cooperative minecraft minigame focused on teamwork that is placed on a clock that also requires lots of experience and on the spot thinking. Obviously the basics involving reaction speed and whatnot carry over, but entirely different skillsets are used. Volleyball is wildly different from Football after all. @@LucRio448

[@blablooo]

@@LucRio448 Agreed. A prime example would be how easily Team Fortress 2 pros became good at Overwatch when it first launched. This is due in part that TF2 is arguably the most similar game to Overwatch (besides Paladins). This led to many TF2 pros being able to go pro in Overwatch as well. But, it is also clear that pros from other games were also able to flourish in Overwatch, such as even a Minecraft Pro player (Danteh). Game sense and raw aim mechanics definitely can transfer from FPS to FPS game no matter how fundamentally different the games are. I'd like to think that this applies somewhat to sports as well.

[@eastoneone4015]

Everyone is kinda forgetting that hinata was only inconsistent in the beginning bc his middle school team was nonexistent so he didnt come into karasuno with the years of good practice everyone else did. He went from not being able to pass to perfectly reading and passing the spike of one of the best hitters in the country in under a year. If he gets one or two years playing football, his skills will develop immensely. Also he already has some foundational abilities for football, he was playing it with his friends until he found volleyball. Isagi has been playing football basically his whole life, so has that practice, but also got to be in a training camp where it was “be the best or have your whole career ended.” That’s what made him improve so fast. If he wasn’t in that environment, which he wasn’t for most of his career, he would’ve stayed an average player, so the same would be said for volleyball. His spacial awareness and game sense would still be great bc obvs hes taken out of blue lock in this scenario, but unless he really cares about his new volleyball career and is under constant threat of it ending, he’s not gonna see the same kind of improvements as he did in Blue Lock. TL;DR - Give them the same time and conditions under which their new careers exist (including their love for their games and any threats to their careers), and Hinata will likely improve about as fast and be just as skilled as Isagi but with better physical attributes

[@syzler8664]

what are you smoking? isagi's team was ass too, he's never even met any actual op football players until he went to blue lock and saw the top of his own age and class

[@abdullahinasrudin2086]

This whould have been true if there wasn't a isagi blue lock novel. Where it said his highschool team coach limited his growth and sealed his ego. Isagi hade insane potienal from the when he was kid seeing shit normal people couldn't see or sense. Like knowing it's gonna rain, with that ability he was dominating early on and was using his teammates like rin does way before. But beacuse of his highschool coach having the one for all all for one mentality. He stunned his growth as a player. So yeah he hade some limitations early on like hinata beacuse of his environment.

[@lousyrock7781]

@@abdullahinasrudin2086k, but man played soccer most of his life, so he can read people and just knows the game. Hinata was interested is volleyball in middle school, for three years didn’t get the chance to play volleyball seriously.Then with only two year of actually playing volleyball started putting his team on his back with kagayama.

[@angga442]

so isagi become what he is rn because the training camp? literally every pro footballer has been in the academy with the same intense training, then with what you said, every footballer without academy training they would've been average, and i think you're right, thats just showed how hard football is.

[@eastoneone4015]

@@angga442 i dont think every academy’s goal is to create one player who is the #1 striker in the world, and i know they kick players out but i dont think they only give the best players nice food and beds to create an utterly manic sense of desperation to stay and be better. Realistically we would be looking at who would do better at an amateur level, as the skill difference between amateur and professional clubs in both sports is so vast. Drawing from experience its more achievable for hinata to be a standout player on a football team than it would be for isagi to be a standout player on a volleyball team. I could explain my view if you want me to but ill save that for now.

[@kaida_mtd]

I feel like Volleyball is a way less forgiving sport than soccer. If you don't know the proper form you lose the point, plain and simple. I feel like Hinata would have a very similar strategy to Chigiri, "kick and run." Theres no technique just a pure flex of physicality and speed. Hinata would definitly lose the ball more than Chigiri would in those scenarios, but I feel like he'd be more beneficial to the team and Isagi would be to kurosuno.

[@vaclavbastl500]

I actually think it's the opposite. In volleyball, you do lose a point after a mistake, but the other team still has to score 25 points to win a set. That's not even the game, "only" a set. You can screw up pretty badly 25 times, and it's still kinda ok, because the score is 0-0 again. You can literally win a volleyball match after scoring less points than your oponent. In football however, losing a ball can lead to a break, or even worse depending on your position. A lot of these won't lead to a goal, but when you do get scored on, it's MUCH harder to come back since every goal has MUCH more value than a volleyball point, sometimes even more than a volleyball set.

[@poazze5142]

1 point can change the momentum + i play football at a semi-high level in a competitive. I played volleyball for a bit and its way more pysicially demanding.@@vaclavbastl500

[@Thatguy16897]

But there is technique to running fast if you kick the ball far ahead of the pitch when there’s someone like Ron on the pitch he’s just gonna position himself to intercept it

[@Thatguy16897]

Football may seem forgiving but if you don’t don’t know how to mark, defend , shoot or even pass you’ve probably gone 3 nil down and unlike volleyball it’s very hard to score so many points in a matter of minutes especially when your the underdog

[@Vroomvroomshehfks]

then again, volleyball is all about momentum. if the opposing team gaps you even a single point, especially after a long rally, this can not only throw your team energy off, but now you have to get more points. Also, just because the score becomes 0-0 again doesn't mean that the team isn't jarred from losing it. Most sets against evently matched teams are in the 20s, which means over 40 jumps over and over, just to lose. Overall, volleyball is a big mental game, and especially with the whole idea of blue lock being the players should have egos, the team aspect may get thrown off. @@vaclavbastl500

[@noahfuchs9226]

As someone who plays both soccer and volleyball, I would like to share my thoughts on this First about me. I am 19 years old and 173cm(5'7) tall, my height is 308cm(10'1). I have been playing soccer for 11 years, mainly as a central midfielder and right back. Both positions that rely heavily on overview, decision making, foresight and "adaptability". I have been playing volleyball for 5 years. I am mainly a setter, but I also help out as a libero from time to time. I play both sports at national league level, so I like to think that I do know what Im talking about I think Isagi would go down completely. Volleyball is a very physical sport. If you're not tall enough or don't jump high enough, you lose. You're a weak point on defense because you can't block properly, and you can't compete with the block on offense because the block is simply too high. Isagi's strengths of overview, foresight and spatial thinking are also simply not that important in volleyball. Yes, the court is smaller and you can always keep an eye on all the players, but the open spaces that exist on a soccer court don't exist in the same way. They are much smaller and can be closed much more quickly. The better the block and the backrow are coordinated, the less his skills can be used offensively. Defensively, he could definitely give pointers to teammates, but normally you don't have enough time for that. The only position that comes into question for Isagi is libero. He is too small for everything else or doesn't jump high enough. Libero would still not be a good position for him. He's not nearly fast and agile enough to be really good; to be worth more than another player. Good liberos need both good vision and agility. One of the two is not enough. By and large, he would be a permanent weak point without really having the opportunity to get better quickly as increasing your vertical jump takes alot of time. If Isagi could jump higher, he could be a setter, which would definitely be better. His skills fit the position much better, even if there would still be a lot of technique missing. Still I dont think his abilities would be utilizied anything near as much as in football. The most important part about Isagis abilities is not processing the players and where they are but much more importantly where they are not. Spotting and utilizing open rooms is the most valuable part about spatial awareness. I already stated that open rooms like that do not exist in that way in volleyball, which weakens his abilities drastically. So even if he was a setter with an atleast slightly below average vertical jump, he would be missing a lot of technique and his abilities from football are not really all that useful in volleyball. Also nearly every setter has top notch vision, decision making, prediction and deception abilities. He would not be that much better if better at all About Hinata. I don't think he'd be particularly good to start with, but the potential is much better; at least he wouldn't be a permanent weak point. With his stamina and speed, right-back or left-back is a good position. Depending on the system of play, full-backs can be played in a very offensive and therefore running-intensive way, which emphasizes his strengths. The obvious problem is the lack of technique and feel for the ball. However, this can be learned much faster than vertical jumps can be improved. Once the basic technique has been learned, Hinata would definitely be an acceptable player. His only problem would be that he is weak. That's not positive, but it's definitely not a dealbreaker either. He would have to acquire an overview, but that is easy to do with analyses of previous games. His overview and anticipation would never be as good as Isagis, but good enough to be a valuable player and a threat. In general, I just think volleyball penalizes it a lot more when you're not as athletic as your opponent, which is a huge problem for Isagi. Both at the beginning and later down the road after 3 to 4 years. The barrier to entry is just much higher and much more physical/genetics-driven in Volleyball compared to football.

[@marchere_69]

Bro what’s up with yo height 😭😭

[@Deliriumend]

I'm only 7 minutes in so maybe you get there, but when talking about Isagi vs. Hinata physically one thing you didn't mention. Isagi's stats are compared against 300 top striker prospects from across Japan that Ego hand selected to be able to become the #1 Striker in the World. Hinata is compared to a random Japanese Highschool Volleyball Team, one that had not even made it to Nationals in a while (outside of jumping, which I mean, he can basically fly :D) Isagi is competing directly against people who are good enough they can probably solo carry their team to Nationals (like Rin.) You also missed on Isagi's strongest weapon: Genius of Adaptability. He can remake himself moment to moment and game to game. If jumping power is a problem, he will work on it. In the span of 3 games he went from being blown away by Rin completely, to competing evenly with Rin for an entire match. Not saying that changes the outcomes you're talking about (especially on Day 1) but it is stuff I'm not sure you considered that can be very important.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I do come back to the second half of that haha. And yeah tbf maybe I should have given Isagi a little more credit for his physical stats, but there's definitely no way his jumping power compares to most volleyball players and it's not something he can drastically improve in a few games

[@zatzu9618]

@@LessonsFromAnime that makes no sense, you can improve your physical ability by working on it. And there's so many ways to become good at playing volleyball.

[@imXenoid]

Bro Hinata is playing at a national level not just some random Japanese highschool. And the players ego picked are all highschoolers and college level at the most

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Of course you can, and he definitely will, but it'll take time, he's still going to have a weak jump in his early days

[@Deliriumend]

@@imXenoidHinata does get to the national level. And his jumping power is good there. But most of his feats/growth are in qualifying. Japan has *thousands* of high schools. And of those *thousands* of high schools and *thousands* of football teams, 300 people were hand picked for their potential to develop into the best striker in the world. Literally *everyone* in Blue Lock is Elite. The anime starts with Isagi outplaying like 3 people, then failing not because of his own skill but because he passes to a teammate who can't finish the play. You said Hinata is on the national level. At the end of the Blue Lock anime they're getting ready to play the U20 Japanese National team after having a 5 on 5 with elite pro players. That's a level above nationals. Especially when you consider that football is a bigger sport in Japan than Volleyball.

[@channelname9468]

Honestly the "not using the manga" thing doesn't make sense because Haikyuu still has 4 seasons of anime relative to blue locks one season... also I think Isagi would benefit from including the Manga since his improvements are unbelievable, developing his brain at a crazy rate and showing that he's capable of learning various difficult skills. Not to mention he's improved his body enough to be able to keep up with and surpass almost all the best U-20 players in the world - he was even able to use his abilities to briefly surpass Chris Prince - an impressive feat even with Noa's help considering that Chris Prince is literally the second best player in the world and Isagi was a nobody just a few months prior.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Well Haikyuu had a timeskip, even with the amount Isagi's developed in the manga so far with Hinata's state at the end of the manga I still think both outcomes are the same

[@channelname9468]

@@LessonsFromAnime yeah but just exclude the time skip and I feel like the results would be more fair

[@ChIMeRaTeX]

@@channelname9468 But then we would set the limit of how much the characters are allowed to grow by ourselves, which isn't really a fair thing to do, since they both have their very own journey and speed of growth. It's simply not possible to say character X is allowed to grow this much, and character B this much. Fact is, if you look at manga Hinata, he is a world level player that has mastered what it means to be an athlete. Dedication, passion, training, perseverance, etc. You name it and he got it. I"m not saying Isagi will never get there, but that's the problem with this whole debate. They had different journeys and are at different times of their career.

[@channelname9468]

Huh? I mean I understand what you're trying to say but it still makes no sense. What I said would be more fair than what is shown in the video no? And Hinata would have still had way more experience in the Haikyuu manga than Blue Lock even if we excluded the timeskip because it's still essentially a finished story with way more content. I don't know why you're implying that would be unfair for Hinata. I'm not saying it's the ideal format since there is no ideal format, as one manga is finished and the other is ongoing, but it is a better format than what is presented in the video. 1 anime season vs 4 anime seasons? Isagi had barely started developing in the anime whilst Hinata has already experienced significant levels of development. Also Isagi also already has all those things you listed out fully mastered in the manga... I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to argue. If they're going to be compared, this is the most ideal way to compare them in my opinion @@ChIMeRaTeX 🤷‍♂

[@LessonsFromAnime]

This is a fair point, that hadn't really occurred to me. It would have excluded a huge number of people from watching tho as they would need to have read both mangas so truthfully idk if I would have done that regardless NEL Isagi is definitely a huge improvement, I don't think metavision actually makes a difference as his spatial awareness is already enough, but the increased physical attributes are definitely noteworthy. Unsure if it would change my answers tbh, as I don't think Isagi worked on his vertical jump at all, but it would certainly make the first part very very close

[@thee_eccentric]

I don’t know how much this helps but Hinata has some soccer experience. In the beginning it talks about how his friends used to make him practice with them to help him and I believe one of them played soccer

[@Esteb29]

I agree with most of your arguments but there's something you're overlooking. Football athletes have to run for 90min in a much larger area than volleyball players which mostly don't move at all since the court size is very small compared to a football pitch. So even if Isagi isn't as physically talented compared to the other blue lock athletes, compared to volleyball athletes he still should be at Hinata's level or even above him. And Hinata, on the other side, could struggle quite a bit because he isn't used to the pace of a football game, which is more physically demanding and taking into account that he doesn't really plan ahead, he might go too hard at the start of the match and burn out very quickly

[@oofink467]

Often times Volleyball can be just as, if not more taxing than football due to the fact that you are under constant mental stress from keeping the ball from hitting the ground and also the amount of times you may need to preform jumps to block and preform spikes, And while there are very taxing positions in football (especially near the middle) not all players have to put in 100% at all time in order to preform their gameplan. Volleyball has the element of “if i make a tiny mistake, this incredibly high speed volleyball that has been spiked can bounce poorly and lose me a point”. Volleyball Matches can also last up to 90 minutes as well however they usually give the players a few breaks just like in Football, Isagi would not have the physical skillset needed to play volleyball since he, A. does not have the jump height, B. Is forced to rely on predictions to compensate on his terrible reaction speed, and C. He doesnt train his arms nearly enough to be able to recieve, block, or spike for a whole match. Remember, Isagi focused his whole life on football with no knowledge of even the basic rules of volleyball. while hinata has ACTUALLY played soccer before (albiet to convince his friends to play volleyball)

[@jirikkkonecny4641]

I Will write shorter answer so u dont have to read all that up there. Volleyball is taxing more for legs, its not like u are constantly running but, its Like u need to lower yourself every time to be ready for recieve. It takes huge tax on your legs and stamina. Jumping as well. It hits like train. And believe it or not I am playing both sports and I kinda know how it affects my body.

[@MauMight]

In football depending on your position you may run for 5min spread through 90min or jog and run for 30min spread through 90min. Volleyball you might jump every other opponent Spike or any set on your team

[@jirikkkonecny4641]

@@MauMight yeah I agreee

[@unweon9332]

thats true but volleyball players normaly play over 2 hours plus they waist a lot of stamina with jumping running etc

[@sleepybeef2412]

There's a few other things we need to take into consideration as well when it comes to this poll. Popularity and relevance. Haikyuu is a very popular sports anime and has released multiple seasons already. However, that's the issue. Haikyuu is a popular sports anime, while Blue Lock escaped the sports anime sphere due to the insanity of the concept and characters, attracting a wider scale audience by leaking into the battle shounen sphere as well. Along with that, football is significantly more popular than volleyball as a sport and thus a football anime that's getting a lot of hype versus a volleyball anime that has a lot of hype is gonna get a lot more people to watch it. In terms of relevance, Haikyuu's first season came out in April 2014 and ended September 2014. The newest season, Haikyuu!! To the Top part 2, came out in October 2020 and ended December 2020. Meanwhile, Blue Lock's first season started in October 2022 and ended March 2023. That means that Blue Lock is more relevant to the algorithm and since there's just one season that came out recently, more known in the pandemic weeb wave that happened in the past three years. With these things combined, we end up in an odd situation that definitely had an affect on the votes. Blue Lock is just more relevant and popular than Haikyuu in a main stream anime watcher sense. If this poll was conducted purely with sports anime fans with a guarantee that the voters have watched both series, I think the vote would be a lot closer. However, I don't know if the end result would change. However, due to the difference in the nature of the fan bases, with Haikyuu having a lot sports anime fans and some amount of mainstream fans and Blue Lock having a lot of sports anime fans and a shit ton of mainstream fans, I think that the poll is quite a bit in Blue Lock's favor as lots of Blue Lock fans have simply not watched Haikyuu, while I think more Haikyuu fans have watched Blue Lock. This means that a lot of the Blue Lock fans just vote for Isagi because they know the character and know very little/nothing about Hinata, while a lot of the Haikyuu fans are making informed decisions, some picking Isagi and some picking Hinata, which imo lead to this 22-78 split. Now if this was as I said conducted with sports anime fans who have guaranteed to watch both anime, would the result change? Probably not. However, I think it would be a lot closer. Something along the lines of 40-60 in favor of Isagi. Also, based on anime only Isagi would win and I agree with that. However, when we go to the realm of manga, Hinata shows significant improvement in his weaknesses, though definitely over a longer time. This means that in the long term it's a actually a pretty equal comparison between Hinata and Isagi which I'll show next using the official player stats given to us by the Haikyuu manga. (Minor Haikyuu Manga Spoilers) Hinata's stats: High School to Post-Timeskip Power: 1/5 -> 3/5 Jumping: 5/5 (remains same) Stamina: 5/5 (remains same) Game Sense: 1/5 -> 4/5 Technique: 1/5 -> 5/5 Speed: 5/5 (remains same) As you can see, in the long term Hinata ends up with decent power, good game sense and amazing technique. Considering that these attributes start at 1/5, I believe that in the long term Hinata could see similar results in football, as his game sense and technique in that sport also definitely start at 1/5. However, this is manga stuff and for the sake of an anime only argument doesn't have much relevance. I just wanted show what kind of improvement Hinata actually made in his own sport, so that you can take that information and think about how it would affect your opinion on the matter.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Make them train with Ippo for 6 months then box each other

[@sleepybeef2412]

@@notproductiveproductions3504 Hinata would be an insane swarmer boxer with his speed. He'd have to work hard on technique and strength training though. However, Hinata would not slow down at all. Hinata has insane levels of stamina and could go full speed the whole fight. Isagi would probably be a counter punching outboxer like Miyata, but also have some unorthodox tricks up his sleeve. I think he'd also fuck with your rhythm using clinches like Kobashi. I think this match, if they're both in the same weight class, goes to Hinata. Hinata is a force of nature and if he puts on enough muscle to be at the same weight class as a fight conditioned Isagi, his speed, power and endless stamina would beat Isagi. However, if they just both train the same amount of time and do the same amount of strength training and conditioning without getting into the same weight class, Isagi has got it. Isagi is 12 cm taller than Hinata at the start of the show and has a lot more muscle mass than Hinata does. The height and weight difference along with counters and unorthodox tricks would be too much for Hinata to overcome

[@noodlesoup771]

As a person who played 5 years football and currently in my 6th year of volleyball, I can confidently say that isagi will be dogwater even though he adapts quickly, because volleyball is a really complex sport. Volleyball isn't really a predicting game, even if he knows where the ball will go saving it will be really hard. Hinata takes the W

[@MauMight]

Yeah, there is no point in having amazing game awareness and make split second decisions If your technique cant keep up.

[@unweon9332]

not only technique but also his phisique he will be rlly behind @@MauMight

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I think you're the first person with experience in both sports to comment so very interesting to see this!

[@Hellogandy]

Idk abt that since I’m the short term isagi would be much better as if somebody never played football and volleyball they would be able to learn the basics of volleyball much easier so isagi would be better in short term and prolly long term aswell since Hinata struggles with technical plays and athleticism isn’t that important in football especially at hinatas very short height

[@noodlesoup771]

@@Hellogandy bro in volleyball you don't just "learn the basics" in haikyuu every player has been playing for years because it takes years to be able to play properly. In the vid isagi would be theoretically a setter, but a setter should be the one with the best setting in the whole team and setting is really hard cause it's really technical and takes years or decades to perfect. Every single setter in haikyuu has been playing for many years and the newbie in date tech sucks ass and irl no one would actually play as a setter in their first year due to the amount of doubles they'd make. I'm not even gonna consider isagi as a hitter because That also takes years to time and even if he learns it in one year the actual ability to control his spike is another thing. Football is loved around the world because anyone can play it and ik hinata would be kinda bad but isagi would be much worse, he'd be useless for years.

[@RevanX77]

A setter who is unusually short, with low physicality and stamina, who can read the game incredibly fast... Yeah, I guess Isagi would be bad, it's not like that's the description of one of the best setters in Haikyuu lol.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

13:25

[@junk_bot_man6412]

Damn bro shut you up instantly

[@skippy3607]

Hes forgetting the fact that isagis physicality and skill is at a pro level hinatas is at a high school level so it would be more natural for isagi and not to mention isagi has unexplainable feats of speed and also comparing animes is worse than mangas cause you have hinata at world level by the end of haikyu when hes 20 someone but also isagi is at almost world level as a 17 year old in current manga

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Definitely agree I could have given Isagi a bit more credit on his physical stats, somehow the bit about Blue Lock having a generally higher standard didn't enter my mind. I don't think the skill part is too relevant though, the sports are so different that once they swap they'll both basically be starting from 0

[@C0NTENT._.]

You can also argue that football is harder then volleyball

[@imXenoid]

No Isagi is not pro level. No one in blue lock are pro level, excluding the coaches on the ego league for people caught up with the manga. The characters in blue lock are highschoolers at most the are college level. Definitely not pro

[@skippy3607]

@ESCA92 in terms of technical skill yeah in terms of mental skill no

[@AHeartBrokenGuy]

Isagi's feats of speed were simply running efficiently. He's not necessarily "fast." Maybe a bit, but not by means like Shidou or, obviously Chigiri. We see it in the 3rd selection and during the first selection against Team V. He finds the space he can score from, and runs to it, getting into "flow" and blah blah blah. He gets to the spaces first because he knows the spaces before most, if not all other players. He is still physically great, but nothing godlike. Blue Lock also makes people light speed, so ._.

[@crizzlibaer]

Its wild that 90% of the comments dont know anything about volleyball but assume its easy

[@nengifiedgamer7576]

No one saidbit easy just isagi would be better at it than hinata at football.. its comparison of the players not the sport

[@PALOVOZEK]

Maybe cuz 90% of comment section kind of played volleyball at school and its lowkey easier

[@e10gold]

I initially put Isagi as the winner, but after giving it more thought I actually think Hinata would come out on top, let me explain. I think Hinata’s learning ability is way faster than people give him credit for. All of the growth we see from him is in the span of less than a year (in the anime) without ever actually playing any volleyball prior. His game sense is lacking simply because he’s new to the game, and yet he’s grown to be able to read plays from some of the best teams in the nation in that short amount of time. Isagi has played soccer most of his life, and only started growing his skills after joining Blue Lock, which brings up another point. All of Isagi’s exponential growth is made in a state of the art facility specifically for developing top strikers, while Hinata was able to improve to a high degree in what was considered one of the worst teams in the prefecture. With all of these factors, if they switched sports, I’m not confident that Isagi would learn volleyball faster than Hinata would learn soccer. Combined with the aspect of physical ability, this is why I think Hinata wins this debate.

[@angelafloresar]

Very interesting comment.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Interesting, I hadn't really considered that about Isagi learning in Blue Lock vs hinata learning for a random high school team at all tbh

[@levimetri4074]

great point, people brush off the fact that Hinata, in his FIRST year of playing actual Volleyball, was one of the key factors between Karasuno being one of the WORST teams in their prefecture to them beating National powerhouses like Shiratorizawa and Inarizaki, and that's off Hinata's raw athletic ability and talent alone. Isagi on the other hand, developed THROUGH Blue Lock, using his experiences to further sharpen himself and come up with weapons to make up for his physical and talent deficiencies. If we swap their experiences, Hinata would literally thrive in Blue Lock, every single one of his attributes fit the Blue Lock description, (i.e, the ego, hunger to improve, sheer athletic ability and talent, and desparation to be the best). Where as Isagi in Karasuno probably wont even make the starting lineup, he just doesn't have the physical abilities to thrive, even if he were to be involved in volleyball his entire life, he wouldnt have the "ego" that Blue Lock instilled in him.

[@venettore3601]

While I like a lot of what you and @levimetri4074 are saying, if we're gonna start expanding this discussion to start including the training environment and their circumstances prior to their main training facility (Blue Lock and Karasuno), then there's one major flaw to this argument: Hinata wouldn't make it past the first selection. Isagi and his brain were the unifying force that unlocked both Chigiri and Team Z as a whole, whereas Hinata - while being a positive influence for morale - wouldn't be able to fill that same role. There's a chance that his passion for having a team would prevent Kuon from becoming a traitor, but I don't think it would be enough to awaken Chigiri, and they would likely still not win against any of Team V, W, or X without Chigiri playing or Isagi's pitch orchestration. Then, when it comes down to top goalscorer from Team Z, I think Kunigami, Bachira, and a traitor Kuon would all beat Hinata. Also, Karasuno being "one of the worst teams in the prefecture" is incredibly disingenuous. Look at the Interhigh bracket and see how many teams there are and how many of those teams get first rounded. Also recall that one of the major reasons for their fall was the departure of the former coach Ukai, where the new coach Ukai would come to join in the same season that Hinata joins. A perfect storm occurs at the time of Hinata's joining that allowed him to have the level of development that he did. A strong and passionate leader becomes captain, the best mid-high setter and a fierce rival joins, an enthusiastic teacher becomes club supervisor, and the team finally gets a coach again due to said supervisor. Take away any of those, and I think Hinata's development suffers significantly. In addition, I think the training environments are actually on par specifically in terms of what they're trying to achieve (though obviously not the actual level of play or technology). Blue Lock is a survival of the fittest where you have to figure out on your own what will take you to the next level (that is, if you evaluate this wrong, you can end up training the wrong thing - something that I fully believe Hinata would do). Karasuno, on the other hand, is a team environment where everyone helps each other and you have a coach to help you determine where you're lacking and what skills to work on. It's heavily implied that junior/high school coaching in the Blue Lock universe is atrocious (see: Aiku's backstory), but with either/both Ukai coaching Isagi, I think all of the "Isagi didn't develop that much outside Blue Lock" arguments go away. All that said, I think "Hinata football vs. Isagi volleyball" doesn't lay enough clear ground rules to make a proper evaluation anyway - which makes this whole thing moot. Like "Isagi's game sense relies on his experience, so he'll struggle in volleyball" is weird as an argument in the video to me because I was assuming that we'd just take the characters exact skill set and move them one to one into the other sport (i.e. Isagi would be exactly as much of a nerd, but in volleyball instead). How much experience in their original sport do they carry? Are they slotted exactly into the other person's role in the other universe (i.e. Karasuno Isagi, Blue Lock Hinata)? Are they instead just playing the other person's sport without any of the surrounding infrastructure that either had? Are they actually just in their own universes, but switched sports? The prompt is too broad.

[@e10gold]

@@venettore3601 I like all of the points you laid out and I do think there’s a lot of room for speculation if Hinata and Isagi traded their exact situations. I was basing my argument off of the video’s scenario which I had assumed was Hinata and Isagi changing sports cold turkey with no prior experience in said sport. You are completely right that Hinata may not make it past the first selection; however, if we are swapping their places at the beginning of the shows, then I would also argue Isagi has even less of a chance being on the starting lineup. There is almost no reason to pick him over Kageyama, who has more raw athleticism, height, technique, experience, and even shared Isagi’s skill of spatial awareness. You’re completely correct that I underrepresented Kurasuno as a learning environment, so I concede that point. Even so, I do think Hinata’s quick development in a sport he had never played before still speaks to his learning speed. In my opinion, excelling in a sport in under a year after starting from scratch is more impressive than excelling after learning how to utilize years of accumulated knowledge. Of course I’m not saying Isagi doesn’t learn fast, he grew his spatial awareness extraordinarily fast, but I still think Hinata’s learning speed is at least on par. It’s true that the parameters of the debate are a little unclear. I took it as such: if after the latest episode of their respective shows, they immediately switched sports in equal environments. There’s a lot of wiggle room due to all of the variables at play, so I genuinely think all points are valid since it’s all speculation at best. Not to mention, these are different universes, and both have high school students that make plays not even professionals could replicate (anything Nagi does in Blue Lock, minus tempo in Haikyu, etc.) so it’s hard to draw a proper line of comparison. Great points made, thanks for your reply!

[@l0kk016]

To be fair, Blue Lock is going in the direct of Kuroko no Basket with it's power-levels.... Not completely there yet, but in a spectrum it's like: Haikyu = highsshoolers are at pro-level Blue lock = "weapons" are basically superpowers, and the top players are superhumans Kuroko = highschooler mfs have superpowers.

[@madisonpeters5607]

I played soccer from early elementary to 9th grade and volleyball from 5th to 12th, so I’ve got a decent amount of experience with both (but admittedly a better understanding of volleyball). I’ve also never seen Blue Lock, so take what I say about Isagi with a grain of salt. I’m also not sure who would do better, I just wanted to point out some things I don’t think people have mentioned. For one, volleyball players have a pretty deeply ingrained instinct to react with their hands, so Hinata would probably be getting a decent amount of hand balls at the start. Also, while people have talked a little about Hinata’s stamina, the stamina you need for volleyball and the stamina you need for soccer aren’t really the same. Soccer involves more continuous running, which is challenging. Volleyball requires constant acceleration and deceleration, which has it’s own challenges, and can be equally exhausting, (also there’s the fact that you’re basically running in small circles the whole time) but that doesn’t mean those staminas will necessarily transfer. (The argument that Hinata bikes to school over a mountain and goes on long jogs/runs has more merit) For Isagi, I don’t think setting would suit him, especially at the start, unless he had some latent natural talent. To be a setter, you need to be, at bare minimum, passable in every general skill area. This is because higher level teams will likely either be running a 5-1 or a 6-2. In a 5-1, which seems to be what most teams in Haikyuu run, the setter plays all the way around. This means they are a blocker, a server, and a receiver, in addition to setting. In a 6-2 the setter only sets from the back row, allowing either a right side/opposite hitter to sub for them in front, or the setter to play right side themself. This would either remove the necessity of being a blocker OR add the necessity of being a hitter. Also, most volleyball skills require a degree of arm strength that a soccer play might not be developing as much, although I didn’t play to a high enough level in soccer to be sure. It’s interesting that you dismissed his kicking though. Volleyball’s so high speed that any split-second of confusion can work in your favor. If he used it sparingly enough and aimed for deep corners, I could see it earning a few points. This is part of why setter dumps work, even if they have no power. Finally, I think they’d both be more thrown off by strategy/game sense than you mention. Hinata is nowhere near used to the size of the field or the number of players, plus he isn’t used to opposing players coming from any side, which would definitely throw him off. Conversely, Isagi would be significantly limited in how he interacts with opponents because they’re physically separated from him. Isagi also probably isn’t used to the degree of interdependence necessitated by volleyball, which would hinder his ability to carry out new strategy on the fly. They don’t show it much in Haikyuu, but if a player chooses to deviate from the general strategy their team is following, the speed of the game makes it very hard for other teammates to compensate. And, since the court is so small, it’s pretty hard to implement new strategy without either a time out or the other team over hearing you. I’m not saying that he would be a bad strategist though. After enough time, he would definitely be valuable during time outs, between sets, etc., and he would be able to adapt within the framework of the general strategy during the game.

[@felipecagorago]

77% for Isagi is actually WILD lmao. As someone that played both sports for a while I thought people would pick the obvious choice that is Hinata but I guess the anime community doesn't have that many athletes in the end of the day. And If we're talkin the manga versions of both characters then it isn't even fair, Hinata can probably play football canonically speaking lmao

[@Jing_Ling_Uncles]

Blue lock is really popular amongst non-athletes, which is the opposite for haikyuu

[@G0A7]

Isagi is at the lvl of the best u21 players in the world and hinata struggles with Japan lvl, at a pure athletic lvl isagi is already enough for a pro footballer

[@watchingandvibing]

if i'm not mistaken, Hinata actually mentions that he likes football (though the official english translation was soccer) along with other sports (baseball and basketball) too, in the very first chapter of Haikyuu! So yes, it's safe to say he canonically can play football

[@shounakdolase]

​@@Jing_Ling_Uncles More like popular amoung football fans since it has good animation and every episode is interesting 🤔 .. Besides Haikyuu is just shounen driven plot , power of freindship in sports anime lol . But both are better animes than I thought lmao

[@tryoutube2768]

People seem to forget that isagi had bluelock, which gave him incredibly high level training, where hinata has the level of training of the average high schooler without bluelock isagi is nothing as we see in both anime and manga isagi starts at 17 years old with him being one of the worse strikers in the country in his last year of highschool, this shows that with highschool level training isagi is nothing Where hinata is 15 years old at the start of haikyuu with almost 0 volleyball experience (also isagi had been playing football his whole life and is still that bad with highschool training) and with 1 year of high level highschool training he became a highschool national level player Also some people say that with manga, isagi is better, this is coming from people who obviously haven't read haikyuus manga Hinata went from age 15 with no volleyball experience to 6 years later (age 21) an international level players on the same level as kags (who played for Japan in the 2016 Olympics games) with no special training outside the reach of a normal hard-core dedicated player You give hinata the high budget/level training they have in bluelock and he becomes a demon TLDR: without bluelock isagi is nothing and with bluelock hinata is an absolute demon even younger than in haikyuu (Also before anyone comes at me with the bluelock manga I am up to date with the manga and the end of bastards vs ubers match 😉) like I said, before bluelock isagi was nothing and without bluelock isagi is nothing

[@tryoutube2768]

Also for anyone who thinks I hate isagi, I don't I actually like him a lot more than hinata, but people don't understand that isagi going into haikyuu doesn't have the same level of training that he does with bluelock and without bluelock isgai is bottom tier like he was in the start of the bluelock manga

[@smite_sp6563]

💀 icl bro this is a bit of reach. Isagi was scouted for bluelock so he clearly had talent before hand and as far as I remember from the beginning of the show isagi wasn't said to be worst striker in his area

[@Hellogandy]

@@tryoutube2768 if u did more research u would know that isagi was a prodigy before he joined blue lock and only fell in the last few years of his school team because of the coach putting chains on his strengths because of the team play style, that’s also the reason why isagi improved so quickly (btw this is canon but not mentioned much in the anime)

[@tryoutube2768]

@@smite_sp6563 that's a fair point to even be accepted in to bluelock is a feat in itself, but still in the first selection he was 1 of five player to be ranked 299, putting him in the top ten worst striker in blue lock, it wasn't until he started training with bluelock that his potential showed, which is my point if isagi never got in blue lock, he wouldn't been able to unlock his potential making haikyuu isagi significantly worse

[@tryoutube2768]

@@Hellogandy isagi is a prodigy there's no doubt about it, I'm just saying that with out bluelock he's not able to break the chains placed on him unlocking his potential making him worse than he could be and I don't think haikyuu isagi would have a way to break them Also people sleep on how fast hinata learns and evolves, like he started with zero exp and not even by the end of his first year he is a national level threat I just believe hinata will be better as his physical abilities would work better in football than isagi vision and mental abilities would work in volleyball I want isagi to be better but it's just to stacked in hinata favour like hinata would get a massive boost in the quality of his training while isagi gets a massive decrease and his ego is still sealed

[@HazeyInsanity]

Being fast and agile and being fast and agile while dribbling a football are the COMPLETELY different things, no way inata would be as fast while dribbling as that is also a hard skill to master

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Yeah he definitely wouldn't. I don't think I emphasised how much both are going to suck initially haha

[@RandomVex]

I consider powerscaling videos to be a waste of time but you kinda managed to make it a worthwile watch, I learned a bit ^^

[@LessonsFromAnime]

haha thanks man, it was a lot of fun to make but I don't expect it to become a regular thing - I never even planned to make a video on this but the poll did so well I felt like I had to

[@RandomVex]

As a youtuber it's good to branch out, even if little by little. Who knows maybe in the future you'll branch out to comics, better start setting up that possibility now

[@theanimekid7839]

@LessonsFromAnime it was also mentioned that Hinata was captain of his middle school soccer team before switching to volleyball, so he has experience and leadership skills on top of all the stats you stated before.

[@verix_]

I know this is a little out of left field, but I think Hinata would make a good goalie. I play goalkeeper and when thinking about Hinata playing soccer a couple ideas came to mind. He could be a winger with his speed and ability to jump up and header a ball back post, or he could be a goalkeeper. Hinata’s jumping ability would help him overcome the height difference between him and the average goalkeeper. Him being a little short also gives him an advantage when diving for lower balls. He also has the reflexes and instincts to get behind the ball for more reaction based saves. The last aspect is that the 18 yard box is closer in size to a volleyball court than the entire field, so Hinata would be able to manage it a lot easier. I think his only issues would be distribution and organizing the team. For distribution, it would have to be something he learns and improves on overtime as most accuracy based skills take time to learn the technique and master it. And with organizing the team, it may be difficult for him, but definitely do able. He would need to get to know his team as well as learn the play style of his team, and just like distribution, it would come with time and experience. I know that Blue Lock is a striker based manga, and while my position places me in exact opposition to strikers, I enjoy Blue Lock for it’s display of players getting over a mental block. That being said, this question didn’t seem limited to Isagi and Hinata switching places, but rather taking on each other’s respective sport. So I don’t think it’s fair to limit Hinata to being a striker as his abilities could help him in other aspects of the sport as well. I don’t play volleyball, so I can’t really comment on Isagi. But I definitely think Hinata has the capability to be a great player if given the time and resources. I hope those who took time to read my comment enjoyed my take on the question and have a good day/night!

[@rylandercoleman2740]

I think what isagi has going for him is the fact that he has so much potential. You can see so much growth game to game. He started off at the second worst in the entire bluelock facility, but after the first test he moves up to 16/15th place (i can’t remember exactly) whilst the rankings were skewed because they lied about how many people were in bluelock, he’s still at the bottom of everyone there

[@slicerx56]

I think Hinata would be a really good footballer with time. Isagi would be an elite setter but would never play anything but setter

[@nihalbhamrah4726]

I think hinata might be better as a goalkeeper and belike ochua from mexico national team goalkeeper idk his height is smaller i think

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Yeah I saw a couple comments about him being a goalkeeper, and it's a super interesting discussion but I'd basically finished the video at that point. I think both results would be the same regardless though

[@LucRio448]

I honestly think he'd need A LOT of time to be good in that role though. Not because he'd be... "bad", but because I think he wouldn't be able to stop any shots from actually good strikers just physically if he needs to rely only on his hands and can't bring his entire body behind the ball. Assuming he manages to make his vertical work in all directions (which is surprisingly not as easy as one would think) I can definitely see him becoming a great keeper against penalties and stuff, but I think 1on1 situations would be his nemesis and he'd also have to learn to be more patient too.

[@lopedope8755]

Even though Isagi has more potential the problem is that his poor start will lead him to not have enough playing time to reach his potential.

[@arthurleywinn123]

The difference is isagi will be well suited for a setter than being a spiker but hinata can become a striker easily with is his physical abilities such as his speed stamina agility his determination to never give up even when he is at a disadvantage Let me explain : isagi is good at prediction and which is 99 percent accurate he is good at adapting to a game and with the situation thats what a setter needs in haikyuu he might struggle against se opponents like kageyama miya atsumu and many top players but im sure with his adaptability prediction and determination to be the top setter like kageyama he would become one of the top setters in the world he will be called a protagy like kageyama from the start only if he gets coaching from the start or else he will struggle some but he will eventually become the best as he will love volleyball as much as he loves football As for hinata if he is coached from the start of the series like he will be also considered one of the best from the start because hinata learns fast if he is not trained from the start he might struggle a lot but with his never give up attitude and determination to be the best will help him get through the first round as he continuesly eveolve ,in the other rounds hinatas evolution is top noth as we have seen him become a boy who cant even receive or spike properly to a top spiker , a receiver and decent setter with great adaptability in the end of the series he will evolve as he watches other strikers and learn feom them and make his own way of playstyle and he trusts in his comrades who plays in his side and probably changes them into a team that makes him score as he changed a egoist like kageyama ( and if ir saying bluelock is only about egoism ur wrong even isagi made a bunch of comrades who trust him and supports him to be the striker lf his team just read the manga if u want its not all in the last chapter he made another comrade who helped him score the goal ) hinata wont be like isagi but he will be unique player and a player who has the potential to evolve everyone in blue lock as they see hinata even with a disadvantage in height and power pushing past hos limits to be the top he will be a player like messi at the end of the series as hinata is similar to messi at least in my point of view Hope everyone agrees😌😌

[@Art-ed1tz]

nah strikers are about more than physical abilities. U mention messi but he's not very impressive physically, he goit stamina and techniques but otherwise he's far less physicall than players who are absolute monsters and yet more succesful. Physique is important in soccer but not to the amount some people think. I feel like hinata would become a decent player but to say a plaer like messi is way too exagerated. Almost every pro soccer plaer at high level are dudes with insane determination, like this the most played sport and only a select few gets to those heights im telling you they all are absolutely determined but to be like messi it's not just about determination and physicality the guy is an actual genius and all the top strikers are, i'd wager that the sport is so tough for striker that even some of them are geniuses and still isn't enough becausze of tiny details. Honestly just the fact that we're asking who would do better in those sports makes me wanna say volleyball because there simply is far less people trying to reach pro level so it might be more forgiving

[@trastillon8818]

The issue is that you think that Isagi would be a setter, I don’t think he would at all be someone else than the person scoring and this changes a lot of things because reading the opponents takes a less important place in a spiker position than as a setter

[@leonardoluiz7487]

I get the vibe that most people answering either don't know a lot about volleyball besides the basics and are extrapolating from their perceived knowledge or they are comparing the sports based on entirely on their anime / manga, mostly because Isagi is depicted as a beast in his series and Hinata is depicted as a underdog in his. 1- While I think you underestimated Isagi's physicality most people on the comments are heavily overestimating it. While Isagi comparable to the top 300 players in japan and their U20 team, you can also compare Hinata's physicality to multiple players from the youth volleyball team, including Kageyama, and you'll see very similar results. It's also important to consider the Japanese are way better in Volleyball then Soccer (26th in Man's Football vs 4th in Man's Volleyball, Japan U20 team was grouped in the U20WC, while U19 Japan team is currently in top 10 world rank). Isagi is also a little more then an year older which is somewhat relevant. 2- People are not considering the Blue Lock effect. If Isagi went to play volleyball he wouldn't be in Blue Lock so he would improve in a much slower pace. He would be training in school level facility, with school level investment and not being able to dedicate 100% of his time in training, while Hinata would be put in Blue Lock's much higher standard of training and facing way better competition earlier, so he would improve a lot faster. If you're putting them in the same level, Hinata is way ahead because he used to help people from his school teams in practice, including the football team, so the would have the basics while Isagi would have to learn volley from scratch and technique is way more complicated and unforgiving (as a double hit is a streight point to the other team) in Volleyball ESPECIALLY AS A SETTER, which is the position most people think Isagi would fit best. 3- Hinata's skills translate way better to football. He already have basic technique and will be improving as he plays. Football is more forgiving to the lack of technique, and while Hinata would struggle with stamina, people are heavily underestimating him. He would be probably a little above Chigiri's level of stamina in the U20 match (consider Chigiri was not training for awhile because of the injury) and there are a couple positions that he would fit very well. Hinata would probably grow into a good winger or wingback in time (considering Chigiri was never detrimental in defense while being a striker that never trained defending before Blue Lock). On the other hand, even with great mental skills, Isagi's physicality and low technique would make him have a tough time at most Volleyball positions. While he is not as short as people might think (he is only 1 cm under Daichi), but his jumping combined with his height is really uninpressive for attacking and blocking, even if he is good at predicting ths best position to spike or block, his vertical mobility still make him fairly straightfoward for good teams to defend against. He would also have a hell of a time if he wanted to be a setter. Considering his stat spread from the pre NEL at that point Isagi's technique is REALLY low in soccer A SPORT HE PLAYED FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE AND HE IS OBSESSED WITH, he would have to learn a new sport from nothing and people believe his best position is THE SINGLE MOST TECHNICAL POSITION IN VOLLEYBALL. At this point Isagi might just be best as a libero as he would have great positioning and he could focus a lot on improving his passing. 4- I think people are also underestimating Hinata. Hinata improved A LOT in 1 year. When he got to Karasuno he's technique was trash and he was attacking with his eyes closed and he got to the point he was one of the best players for a team that did well in the nationals in less then a year, while also having to balance school and homelife and low training structure. Isagi did improve a lot faster, but Blue Lock was designed to force the players to work 24/7 in football with the best training structure possible (let's be real blue lock tech is basically Sci-fi level stuff, not even in a pro team in real life they would get to that level). WIth that in mind IMO it's Hinata up to the NEL Isagi. NEL Isagi is such an improvement that would make it tough to decide which one would be better by the end of their careers, but I think it would take 2-3 years in volleyball for Isagi to close the gap from Hinata in their early years.

[@ElwoodShort]

Did not consider how high Hinata’s head is relative to other players, good spot.

[@exodusv8624]

isagi should be able to be more aware on a smaller court with less people, but dont misunderstand how that works against him as well, he is more closely comparable to kuroko from kuroko no basket. His success is determined by whether or not people can keep up with him mentally, a lot of people in his verse can, but usually those people have major presence and either gets marked and or gets hard focused, while isagi has an easier time to hide and misdirect. he simply wont be able to do that on a small field with almost half the players because he will get stat checked every single time, and while isagi is fine tuned to his sport he has 0 physicals to match, hinatas just the better athlete.

[@TaoT-T]

Everyone is just forgetting that Hinata started off self taught? He had no team or ppl who were actually interested in the sports, his middle school team was just ppl he convinced to come for the match, he had his friend who plays an entirely different sport setting to him, no coach, etc. If he actually had a decent team and coach back then he would've been way better when he got into Karasuno since he would've had experience and gotten to properly utilize his physical prowess. Also Hinata's whole thing is wanting to be on the court the longest. If you put him in Blue Lock and made him understand that if he doesn't become the best he can't play the sport anymore, he's going to improve like crazy. He already has the physical prowess. He's fast, his legs are strong, good reaction time, etc.

[@CK-wv5hg]

Beautiful video mate. Enjoyed the analysis.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@OneCrowdGaming]

This video is amazing keep up the good worlk

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Thanks man will do!

[@isthatcreed9386]

better debate kuroku no basket cast vs haikyuu cast vs blue lock cast in a sports showdown (obviously they'd win in there own sports but when they switch just think the height kagami jumps but now in haikyuu or kuroko in blue lock with his passes)

[@jandy1850]

I was deep into the Isagi would win team, but now I've made a complete flip flop. I've been playing volleyball for less than a year now, and i know that picking up the skills for volleyball, (bumping,setting, serving, spiking) is actually a lot harder than it seems. Now i don't play soccer, but i think i could learn how to play soccer way faster. There are so many little things to volleyball that matter so much. Like keeping a ready position (shuffling, staying low), passing the ball (can't swing your arms, have to get specific angles), just the toss for the serve is still challenging for me. Unless you're cranking out his upon hours of volleyball a week, it would take awhile to catch up to Hinata. Now I know Hinata isnt the sharpest or most technique oriented, but it took him a year just to get OK at volleyball (not including his spiking). So yeah, I think Hinata would win.

[@davidamaroruiz9515]

My profession is based around sports mainly football, i can tell you right now if someone has 0 experiences with it, theres absolutely no way even being the fastest most agile person in the team he will do anything, he wouldnt be able to do a decent control, second touch or control at high speeds pretty much nullifing those advantages, someone starting in volleyball from 0 will get a ton of chances due to the other team noticing, while a player starting in football may not even touch the ball

[@bearwithme9433]

Honestly I'll say this really depends on when we decide to pick Isagi or Hinata in their stories. The whole point of blue lock is that Japan locked the egos of players who had talent for the team. In Isagi's backstory his ego was locked during highschool not before so if we pick before highschool, his development would be more scoring and athelticism oriented while if we pick during highschool it would be more defensive and more setter oriented. If current story then it would also be scoring oriented and athleticism oriented but also more experienced in thinking of how to train to get better. If its before and early highschool arc hinata, he would get destroyed just due to him not understanding how to train his technique. But if it is later then he would grow exponentially and he would be fine but his experience would still hit him. Long term, they both would still excel due to their mindset.

[@rabinstephen6444]

Actually, isagi would be much better than Hinata. The reason being, after I started watching blue lock, I incorporated isagi's playstyle to my game of badminton, and found that I am able to reach the place where the opponent planned to shoot. While you are right about experience playing a major role, one advantage of volleyball is that unlike badminton, you are allowed multiple touches, so isagi while not being able to stand out as a genius, could very easily balance the team and ensure there are no weak spots that's the opponents could exploit, atleast until he learns the ins and outs for a couple of days.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

How would he be able to "balance out the team and ensure there's no weak spots"? I'm really not sure what badminton has to do with this tbh

[@TheeKing7]

After comparing both of their abilities and weaknesses this is the players that I believe they would resemble. Isagi would become a combination of Miya Atsumu & Aone thanks to his spatial awareness and ability to read his opponents and teammates moves while usually making smart plays, not power plays. Hinata would become a combination of Shidou & Zantetsu thanks to his on point instincts to score / be in the right spot to dodge the defense and his often insanely fast take off. After thinking about the two and how they would do in their verses against each other, I've decided that Isagi would be better. Hinata would be insanely strong but Isagi with these skills would come at the game like a created player in a video game. It would be disgusting to see how Isagi would do these teams. He'd be a ridiculous setter that would even function as a middle blocker while setting with perfect precision and top tier Volleyball IQ

[@aureum_]

Love all your points! Completely agree as well

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Thanks man!

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Next ask “both are coached by an older Ippo. Who wins Golden Gloves first” cuz there’s one factor that complicates the entire debate: taking punches to the face. We gotta ask “how consistent are their mindsets when defending the brain from concussion”

[@thedayofnewage]

The biggest problem of this debate is the anime haven't the dumpster battle or else there is no way Any sane people would say Isagi would be a better player in volleyball than Hinata in football

[@mine.g919]

One of the biggest factors here is Isagi's ability to "devour" other players, sure without the same physicallity it won't be the same but he'll essentially have the same skills or better ones than the original because of this

[@AntiTheBird]

Hinata would be a monster goalie, almost all of his skills transfer completely

[@LessonsFromAnime]

True

[@eddiemango]

Heres the thing. We are comparing Hinata as a striker to Isagi as a setter. This isn't really like for like. If we are doing true like for like, then Hinata would be a striker, and Isagi would be a middle blocker or wing spiker. If we are picking optimal positions, then we can look at Isagi as a setter and look at we could look at Hinata in a position that he could be amazing at with his physical gifts such as a left wing back to a pure left back. It should also be noted that in the series, the main story for Hinata that is his first year or really training volleyball with an actual team and a rookie coach, and even then he went from a mediocre player to one of the most notable national players. Also, its important to think about the kind of game played when looking at skills. Isagi's spatial awareness is a monster on the football field, however on a smaller volleyball court with only six players a piece with fixed positions and roles, this is not as big as an advantage and most high level setters have this ability. When considering his predictions, when on the football pitch his is amazing, gives him insight in the key pass to make and when to shoot, on the volleyball court, the predications come offensively or defensively, either predicting a block to make (which as mentioned Isagi's physical attributes might make it difficult) or offensively setting a spiker up. This style of predicting your opponents move when setting the ball is a similar skill to the majority of high level setters, therefore this is where Isagi would really shine. Its kind of like comparing Isagi to Akashi from KKB, the sports are so different that you have to put it firmly in the context of the sport and level or sport played

[@The31st]

Would this be an Isagi that had been through blue lock already or just imagining he picked volleyball instead of football? Cos I think Blue Lock makes Isagi a monster and without it Hinata would be a better player every time

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I assume they swap at the end of their animes, so yeah he's been through Blue Lock

[@The31st]

@@LessonsFromAnime interesting 🤔. I feel like the mentality Isagi comes out with at the end of whatever selection they are on is a weapon Hinata could never match. Hinata loves volleyball with all his heart. He might be a better athlete but I doubt he would commit to football the same way Isagi would to volleyball. Isagi's egoism would probably let him dominate in any field.

[@maharanient6636]

​@@The31stEgoism doesn't have place is volleyball due to the rules that you can neither touch the ball for too long nor hit it twice consecutively. Middle-school version of Kageyama is how an egoist player will end up in this sports: deserted by his own teammates.

[@thatonguy2407]

i would say that Hinata fares better both in the short term and the long term. His vertical jump height is going to be beyond what anyone other than maybe Aryu can match, while his speed, agility, and stamina are all at a level that outshines the vast majority of the BL cast. While he would lack in skill, he gets much more time to take in the situation in soccer, as opposed to volleyball. Hinata is most likely on the same level as Isagi in terms of quick thinking, especially later on in Haikyuu. Short term, Hinata will be carried by his physicals, while Isagi will be crippled by them. In all likelihood, Isagi would be a benchwarmer early on. Isagi's speed is almost definitely better than the other players he'd be facing in volleyball, but his jump height is so lacking that he wouldn't be able to effectively attack to make use of it, nor would he be able to block, and with his lack of volleyball technique, he couldn't manage as a libero or setter. As time passes, he'd get better, and would likely be best served as the setter, but the amount of time he'd get to hatch his plans would be so much shorter than he's used to, and would be so reliant on his teammates doing all the work, that i don't see it working well. Meanwhile, Hinata would be able to pick up on soccer much easier, due to it being an easier sport to develop the needed skills for. Isagi would never catch up to Hinata, while Hinata could almost certainly replicate the results Isagi has gotten in Blue Lock so far.

[@GlassMonkay]

Isagi is actually very gifted technique wise... just not compared to other footballers. It's something that's obvious when you read his backstory.

[@GlassMonkay]

Worded that wrong, I meant not compared to other footballers but compared to those who are born to have a ball at their feet.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

As in he's got good technique but not world class?

[@TruthSeeker8834]

​@@LessonsFromAnimeHis physical aspects are always a problem for him. Take England vs Germany for example, when hiori passed him the ball at correct angle, his height became a problem, as he was few more inches short. Thus he is always one step short of reaching full potential

[@Thatguy16897]

I know volleyball has some injuries but football/soccer is a contact sport which of course there’s gonna be a lot of injuries , so my point is does hi at have any injury resistance

[@rinus915]

I can see hinata becoming a messi or a robben in football if he practises a lot.

[@Dacoldest7]

Was waiting for this!!

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Hope it was worth the wait haha

[@mangoraphi4311]

Great Video! But the athleticalism does not mater at all in this comparison, because a volleyballcourt is much smaller than a soccerpitch so Hinata has probably less endurance. That Isagi has more expirienced in soccer than in volleyball, makes sense but adapting to another sport is actually a piece of cake if you have a general idea of the sport

[@TheeKing7]

I think comparing Hinata to Loki is a bit of a stretch. His speed is up there compared to others but he's not completely outclassing majority of ppl. Many blockers can keep up with him very regularly. He's usually ahead of everyone because he moves first. It's more agility than pure speed. That's why I compare him to Zantetsu instead. Their crazy quick is really insane more so because of Kageyama than Hinata though Hinata is crucial to it. The speed of the ball being thrown is the main aspect that makes it insanely quick.

[@sohchuanhangmoe]

As a volleyball player, you just need a decent amount of stamina to play the sport then you won't get tired

[@Bastfps]

those who read the manga knows isagi will be just fine in volleyball with all his skills

[@LessonsFromAnime]

what skills that carry over to volleyball?

[@Hellogandy]

@@LessonsFromAnimeI don’t know if u read the blue lock manga but he basically has superhuman sight and physique is levels above when he started, he would wash in volleyball as his sight would see almost every move

[@LessonsFromAnime]

​@@HellogandyI don't think metavision changes anything tbh, he already had the spatial awareness he needs for volleyball, that's not the issue. He definitely does improve his physique a lot, but I don't think he ever trained his vertical jump

[@Jing_Ling_Uncles]

Volleyball is about teamwork

[@BenjaminRaymundo18]

I agree but game wise it's just too much of a different sport overall. I used to play football and always used feet but in volleyball its your hands. The easiest beginner sport is soccer because volleyball is focused on technique rather than physicality.

[@LucRio448]

Okay, I voted for Isagi so I'm gonna lay down my reasoning after watching to 3:20, and I migth add something once I'm finished. For starters, let's talk about their positions that they'd take in the opposed sport. Hinata at first glance would be a good keeper with his jumping abilities and agility, but let's be honest, he wouldn't be able to block, let alone catch a single shot of a decent striker or midfielder unless they aim directly at him, and I'm not even talking professional, just... well, a comparable level to let's say Aoba Johsai. I'd argue he simply lacks the strength to hold up against the impact of an actual shot of a striker on that kind of level if he has to rely on his arms and fingers strength. He wouldn't fare well against strikers as a defender as raw agility and speed would allow him to keep up, but he lacks the technique to steal the ball so he would permanently rely on doing the "Isagi jumps in front of awakend Bachira"-move to do anything useful at all. I could see him become a right wing midfielder or something maybe, assuming he gets down the technique for crossing to any striker who is waiting in front of the goal somewhere - but since there are also defenders and no net seperating the two in any way, the margin for errors in aiming is veery low there so his best bet would be a HUGE striker I guess, but it could work, kinda. The other option would be Hinata being a striker, but other than in volleyball, you usually do not get 6 chances in a row to score, either you score, or you get a second chance at best. On the other hand, Isagi. I don't think he'd be a viable substitute for Noya, I mean his game sense would help him get to the ball, but he likely won't be able to do a proper receive (I'm assuming both get like a week long bootcamp and then we do the "test", if they both got time, I don't think there would be a winner after a year or two really) or even Noyas insane saves. I could however see Isagi kinda working as budget Daichi maybe, more likely though he'd act as Sugawara 2.0 so to speak. His game sense and ability to relatively quickly assess his teammates strengths and enable them (yes I still think Isagi should be like a false nine and not a main striker) would allow him decent setting with some practice for the technique (he might get to Oikawa levels later on as they feel like basically the same for their respective sport in my opinion) and I assume he'd work well with all kinds of strikers - ironically with Hinata being the exception likely. Oh and I don't think Isagi would be that good of a striker after my assumed bootcamp, unless he specifically only practiced with the likes of Bokuto to solely focus on that one thing, and then he'd be really bad at receiving anything most likely :D So basically, I assume both would severly lack in terms of technique, but while Isagi could focus on that area specifically since he already got game sense and would naturally transition it from regular practice, Hinata heavily relies on Kageyama doing the game sense part for him, so he'd need a false nine/midfielder to do it for him as well. Which might be fine in an indoor match, but outdoors, taking every single opportunity to run as if you'd receive the pass is gonna take a toll even on Hinata before the half-time break most likely. Plus, faking an attack in volleyball only could become an issue if you jump into the net, otherwise there'd be no foul - faking an attack in football Hinata-style means the second you see you don't get the ball, you have to take a 90 degree turn AWAY from the ball to avoid accidentally interfering and prompting the referree to call off-side. Plus, blind/brainless minus-tempo equivalent in football very likely results in off-side as well if you don't have...well, basically Kageyama or Isagi on your team to pass at the exact perfect moment. Now to the parts to add while watching: I see your point about Hinatas vertical and you are definitely correct there. The issue is, here, how much pratice time are we assuming for this contest really? Because headers are maybe among the most technical stuff in football. I can do a decent one, but they are not even close to being a threat to a decent goalkeeper, as the are WAY less powerful in terms of speed than any shot you take with your foot naturally. So you have to basically do what Hinata does when he finally learns to utilise Kageyamas sets, with open eyes, without Kageyama basically having the ball float on the spot in front of him. Only he can't use his hand, which is obviously comparably easy for aiming and power, but his HEAD which is WAY harder to do properly. And "properly" not even remotely makes the cut to being useful at all, there is a reason headers are not the preferred way of scoring when given the choice, and that's because you gotta be really good at them to pose a thrreat to a decent goalkeeper. They are way harder to control in terms of direction, and they at the same time lack power/speed, so it's even MORE important to aim perfectly. And even if you gave him the time to perfect it, he'd still be not really relevant for most of the game since strikers still mostly use their feet. The main situation where headers are common are corners, and there you got Hinatas worst enemy in the perfect situation: The goalkeeper, who CAN use his arms and only needs to have his arms reach ahead of Hinatas head. Not to mention you will basically NEVER be in a situation where you go for a header freely, there will always be a defender near, and no net in between the two of you stopping him from also using his pure strength to beat you within the rules of the game. Also, while experience definitely is important for Isagis main weapon, he also seems to be able to adapt to opponents or even his own teammates strengths and weaknesses, but also their strategies, on the spot. So chances are, Hinatas/Kageyamas blind spike would work once, maybe twice against him, but the third time he'd already have it figured out for example. Similar to the first match against Nekoma really. I'd also wanna note, his volley isn't gonna score him points reliably - but his experience in that area, his technique on that etc, is gonna repeatedly help him make saves or even receives he wouldn't have the technique to make the "proper" way. The difference is, Hinatas volley-saves are last ditch effort and their only purpose is to keep the ball above the ground, which is completely fine - but Isagis volley.saves/receives wouldn't just be "the ball is not hitting the ground" most of the time, they mostly would be basically pretty decent receives. In other words, the usual way volley-receives would end up would be a "let's just keep the ball up and somehow drag it back to the other side", giving up all possible momentum at that point for that one turn - a volley-receive of a seasoned football player who already had a good volley in football however most of the time likely would end up in a way that the setter can actually set it properly for a spike. Hell, even I can do okay setting by doing a volley - it's not in the slightest an "aggressive" set, but it would likely work for let's say Bokuto, giving him the chance to decide if he's gonna spike down the line, diagonally or do his beloved feint. It's by no means something you should do regularly or rely on as your go-to, but someone who actually has good volley-technique surely can make it work most of the time, at east for receiving.

[@chainvoice2269]

Ngl, you can't really compare the type of game sense required for football with the type of game sense required for volleyball, in one sport its about who is moving at what point in the field, in the other sport its about who is moving where, how and when so im not sure if that would translate that easily. Although you'd generally have to admit there is no way to predict anything in this debate, due to one sport utilizing only your legs (and head etc.) without your hands, and one sport only utilizes your hands. So if Isagi isnt good with his hands, but hinatas good with his legs its a whole other thing here. Plus Basic Volleyball technique is harder to learn to a level you could use in a game without being called by the ref for stuff like double contacts etc.

[@bunnybabe247]

I say Hinata simply because he had a Middle School friend whom he played with and I think he's shown to have even played on his own prior to falling in love with volleyball. so he has some experience He's great with his feet, has incredible stamina, and agility. He might not be as observant, but he is great at adapting. No doubt you give him a few weeks and a decent coach and he kills it.

[@threshcan6347]

i disagree, IF we believe both animes in volleyball we have strenght in numbers (teamplay) and in football we need to be egoist. Hinata has the dawg in him to grind and be the best (he already has a great ego, and he plays as a team because it's what is most efficient in volleyball... but he would be okay with the change) but isagi's ego would KILL his volleyball career (think kageyama in his king of the court days)

[@xxx_mouiz_xxx___7969]

Yeah , hinata can adapt while isagi can't for sure 😂😂, lad is using his neck to think

[@threshcan6347]

basically hinata doesn't need to adapt, isagi does and with his newfound ego he won't@@xxx_mouiz_xxx___7969

[@LucRio448]

You do realise that Isagi INVENTED his own ego side because he was FORCED to in order to stay in the competition, with him being basically the equivalent of Oikawa when the Blue Lock anime started and during the first few episodes? Not to mention your argument is based on the idea that the whole Ego-thing is representative of how football works, which is not true at all. The greatest strikers in modern football (and at all times actually) basically always knew when to pass the ball, or they had an entire team that did nothing but enabled them to score. Choose whoever you consider to be the best striker or in general best player today, have him stand at his own penalty spot, give him the ball and 10m of free space - and then watch him fail 995 outta 1000 times trying to get into a proper position to even attempt a goal without his teammates, that's not gonna work if you take teams of equal level. It will work if you put, idk, Messi against 11 teenage boys, but not against other top professional players.

[@Kill_em_quick]

Football and Volleyball are both team based game where cooperation is a key if you really wanna win. I could see Isagi being one of the top dogs in Haikyuu if you give him some time sice his physicality actually grew quite significantly in the manga. This is very evident in the fact that he manages to defeat Yukimiya in a 1v1, keep up with Kurona and his stamina was on par with Raichi's which is a very big feat since Raichi is literally a stamina demon. Hinata on the other hand is an athletic monster although he does quite lack in the head department. Like you said in the video Hinata does rely on his teammates most of the time so thats why I dont really see him thriving in Blue Lock. We've seen people with better athleticism and physicality in Shidou, Rin, Barou, Kunigami, Bachira, etc,,, At the start both Hinata and Isagi would be dead weight to their team. Isagi not having the athleticism to keep up and Hinata isnt really that smart and mostly rely on his teammates to score points (which wouldn't work in Blue Lock since its a All for One program.) Give them some time and I could see Isagi thriving in the Haikyuu verse but I can't really say the same for Hinata. Blue Lock being an all man for themselves type of game doesn't really suit Hinata well.

[@maharanient6636]

I think you are under the incorrect asumption that Hinata is lacking in intelligence. While it's true for general education, Hinata actually has great game sense. This boy improves by a leap in his receiving just from being a ball boy in a mock-up trainning camp. He sees, he thinks, he delivers. Isagi, on the other hand, needs do-or-die environment to make himself better. If he's given Hinata's situation where he's not even chosen to participate in mock-up training, will he progress as much as Hinata does?

[@phenomenonnarutokun]

Hinata is the most selfish character in the show

[@navneettyagi1159]

ushiwaka?@@phenomenonnarutokun

[@oofink467]

One thing that people forget to mention are off-times where isagi can formulate a gameplan and execute it, Volleyball has significantly shorter off-time than soccer since all players have to keep the ball from touching the ground where in soccer there is no immediate threat to losing a point from the ball touching the ground, this means that Isagi would struggle severely if his team is not some kind of defensive monster like nekoma, who can feed consistent passes to allow him to even use that brain of his, Isagi is practically a Kenma with much less volleyball technique in that sense. Isagi being better at volleyball than hinata and soccer is a tall order at least day 1, if we talking about later on Isagi could gap the technique difference and can beat Hinata

[@lolkail5800]

COMPLETELY agree

[@LucRio448]

I kinda agree, but then we also gotta call Hinata a Chigiri with WAY less football technique, which is a VERY big issue if you factor in that Chigiri takes a lot of his strength from being able to pick up a moving ball while sprinting down the sideline and executing that crucial first contact in the perfect way to change it's direction just where he needs it. If you can't do that, you end up in that dreadful "I was one step ahead until I stopped to receive the pass and now I lost all of my advantage"-situation that Isagi already faced before he realised to capitalize on his one-step-ahead advantge from his game sense, he needs to keep the ball moving in one way or another instead of bringing it to a stop and allowing his opponent to catch up. And once the defender catches up to Hinata, his top speed is irrelevant, his stamina is pretty irrelevant (assuming he even has more than the average football player who needs to have enough for 90 minutes on a big field) and his agility doesn't help that much if he again lacks the technique to control the ball at the same time.

[@oofink467]

@@LucRio448 the thing is, its not that hinata is better at football than isagi is at volleyball, its closer to Isagi is simpky not going to be able to even play volleyball properly while Hinata would at the very least, be a pretty decent, if not good player. He’s basically a combination of raichi stamina and aryu vertical. Isagi on the other hand, would struggle to be any position other than setter or libero, and both have pitfalls like not having the reaction speed and explosive quickness for libero and the vertical jump and passing precision for setter. Isagi would be way worse at volleyball while hinata would only be moderately worse at football

[@LucRio448]

@@oofink467 So basically you are asuming Isagi would be at best decent in terms of technique at his peak while Hinata on the spot is perfect because... idk, controlling a ball with your feet while 11 other people try to take it away from you definitely is easier than controlling it with your hands without any opponent even being allowed to actually interfere? Hinata would get a single contact before losing the ball, at best.

[@GodzillaFreak]

Tokuchi would clap both, any sport. After all, though his baseball skills are third rate, his gambling skill is super first rate.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Lmao

[@kermitdathug3953]

Speed really isnt much in football. It can definitely make it easier in the lower levels, but professionally, it doesnt matter too much if your technique isnt great. An example id use is Uriel Antuna, a player for the Mexican national team. Hes very fast, and gets passed the enemy defense very easily, but he rarely converts. Hes arguably Mexico's worst player in the first team.

[@itzkiblo]

I feel like he down plays how much more running is done in soccer so Isagi running around back and forth is a lot more long distance stamina than doing quick bursts of zig zags. Since they both get their huge boosts from wanting to prove themselves I'd say its unfair to assume Hinata is just outclassing everyone in athleticism. Also, because Hinata works purely off of instinct he mostly has that from 100% trust and in a situation like Blue Lock that might be his biggest edge since nobody really trusted anyone else. But Hinatas lack of technique will easily allow him to be surpassed by everyone else especially going against ppl who can predict him since he also doesnt use much strategy other than fake jump and quickly move which we've seen in his own show get stopped consistently. He's not going to be the fastest one out there, he wont have the most stamina, his technique will be one of the worst, and his jumps wont help him much unless he's able to get other teammates to pass the ball and even then we've seen ppl in blue lock catch a ball with their foot at head height. If we are making it fair then i dont see why Isagi loses his technique and Hinata doesnt lose his instincts when he also watched volleyball which gave him an idea of what to do in plays and we rarely see him using instincts outside of volleyball. Especially since Isagi's biggest advantage is his adaptability where he grows so fast to where in the first 10 min of seeing everyone, he goes from being the weakest with no motivation, to chasing after whoever he thought was the strongest and instead of taking an easy out he took his friend out who was one of the best players in his room. With how quickly he adapts its unfair to assume its only bc of watching soccer.

[@ashpaktio6396]

Just talking about day 1 here, without analysing either character since I don't think about stuff that deeply, I think Hinata wins, not talking about his stats or anything it's purely because in volume 1 of Haikyuu it says that Hinata has played football before. It wouldn't matter later on but at the start having played the game before compared to Isagi who has never played volleyball Hinata has played football and even if he has forgotten most of it, I assume he still knows the basics which will put him ahead of Isagi at the start.

[@ayomikun4020]

Kenma from Nekoma is 5’6 and plays as a setter, I think HIMsagi will do just fine height wise. That would be my blueprint for the type of player he’ll be, although more aggressive and as the game goes on he gets better. Lose one set but win the next two.

[@SolarSkyline]

what made isagi learn that quickly was the stakes in blue lock, just a regular volleyball team that wants to go to nationals isnt the same as blue locks whole mentality. We give those high stakes to hinata and he'll continue to have the drive and be hungry to learn more and i wont even go into the manga for either. Hinata can learn quickly when given the right mentors or people to look up to, its been shown in Season 2 and 4 (ill go into detail if proof is needed). Isagi would be good in terms of being a support mainly at the start, his game sense is good enough where it can cover his physical disability compared to others but his drive isnt as big, he'll be the same as in his high school team, just thinking of the next year and how to improve this year rather than thinking of actually being able to a part of something that same year. His game sense would come into play a lot later, maybe in his "2nd or 3rd year". his inexperience is worse than hinatas and hinata was only on the team in the beginning for the freak quick. If we go into manga material and spoilers are a thing to not be careful about, even then ill give it to hinata. Its also been shown how great hinata is on his feet, from being called a mini spider man to making saves with his foot on various occasions.

[@ouwle6618]

I think this debate comes down to time and Hinatas position on the pitch. If we look at early adaptation then Hinata wins. He will have bad control of the ball compared to the rest and stamina i would say is going to be worse. ALso physicality will be a joke since he wil lget tossed around by bigger guys. But his athletics will make him a nightmare infront of the goal, especially on corner kicks. If he gets to choose position this even gets worse, since i think Hinata could be a KILLER goal keeper. But if he plays forward it's a different story. But Isagi will not be able to get the athletic skills and jumping power needed to even compete early on in volleyball. But if these guys gets many months to a year of practice and play, then Isagi will come out ahead. His genius when it comes to adapting and knowing the opponents moves, playstyle and tactics will make him a monster in ANY compeditive sport. Hinata would be very much like Nagi in football. Get the feeling for it and be super athletic, creating chances by being in tune with the scoring chances and creating goals from nowhere which is respectable. But Isagi in volleyball could fill almost EVERY position and performe at top level. If he could sync with other players and move them around he would be the most dangerous setter imaginable. He could also make setters give him increadibly dangerous attacking opportunities in a smart way, moreso then an athletic one. Isagi is way better at using his team mates as chess pieces to win then Hinata is, and that is why i give Isagi the win when it comes to the long run. EDIT: Also all in all a great video. Well done thanks for the entertainment!

[@maharanient6636]

I think the totally opposite. It's physical sports afterall, of course athleticism becomes the first and foremost advantage for an athlete. If you lack intelligence, you can work on the muscle memories through repeated trainings. That's how you can be better. If you lack athleticism, you can compensate with intelligence, but I believe there's a limit to how far you can go. It's especially prominent in higher level of competition. Pro athletes are competing with their brains for sure, but that's under premise that they are all physical monsters. So by possessing this talent alone, the gate to the world of pro is open for Hinata. Also, Hinata is actually intelligent, sport wise. He just lacks of experience and basic skill. The story doesn't narrate it verbally, but you can see that Hinata observes and thinks critically over situation. Hence there's no factor that makes Hinata is inferior to Isagi.

[@ouwle6618]

@@maharanient6636 Respectable opinion, but here is my counter! Physicality is the only thing that has a real limit in physical sports (ironically enough). We humans have a line we can't cross, no matter how much we train. Have we ever come very close to it? I'd say sort of, but not really. And even in anime where scaling is out of this world it still has an upper limit. Otherwise they would move at the speed of light but that isn't fair in a football anime is it hehe. Most players who are top pros probably sit between 20-15% away (which i would argue Isagi is later in the manga from what i've heard or even better) from perfection (i'm just making up the numbers but you get the idea). But genius physical monsters like Hinata probably, in training, never go lower then 10% and max out at close to 5%. Physical geniuses are nothing to scoff at, they are terrifying and moreso depending on the sport. But intellgience is the thing that scares even pros in most sports. It's one of the two boundry breakers for pros to become legends. And in my opinion an intelligent opponent is scarier then a strong one. That's because if you lose to a physically strong person you feel hopeless and you know what you need to do but can't do it. But against a smart player you probably don't even realize until after the game what you could do better, if even then. Smart players also affect the team around you in a much better way, as i said Isagi can use his team mates like chess pieces. For comparison look at the anime "Ao Ashi" where the main character has very lacking basic skills and athletics compared to every player on his team. But the moments he taps into his true football IQ he wins goals and games because of it, and he doesn't even stand ouyt to anyone who isn't nearly as intelligent. But he was the one that won the game. Muscle memory is an athletes greatest friend, but also it's worst enemy. This you know if you have done martial arts. It accelerates your ability to play the game/exercise the sport and gives you more time to think about important stuff. But it also makes you more of a square in how you unconsciously move and think. Smart players can devour such players if they are too lenient on their physical attributes. While intelligence and thinking can be to slow for many sports, if we look at the timing and when Isagi does his increadible adaptions and plans it's in the same timeframe that normal players follow their instincts to score goals, save a volleyball shot or get by a defender. In that small time frame where most players use all their strength to predict movement or plans, Isagi has already mapped out so much more. I would argue that Hinatas skills actually translate better to football/soccer then volleyball. But Isagi's intelligence translate well to both. The difference is that Hinata in the long run will probably peak at a top 5% player in the region he plays in and be a top scorer. But Isagi will probably be one of those players that don't make the team the most points upfront, but when looking at stats he will be a top 1% player. So the metric you judge them on also makes or breaks the comparison. Is it how good the team becomes, how good they are at scoring individually or how influential they are in their team/in the match.

[@rochan9017]

Volleyball is a very physically demanding sport. If you want to hit you NEED to be physically and athletically talented or at least be above average height. Isagi objectively would not be a very good hitter. I could see him be a decent - even good setter but only if he had some years of experience. It is quite impossible for him to even play as a setter (if he just started playing) because of how specialized it is. The setter needs to be the best player on the team. Honestly, if you put a newbie into a intermediate volleyball game they would 100% be a liability. There is a saying that your team is only as strong as the weakest player in volleyball. Football is more forgiving since you don’t have to involve everybody each play and most people even as a newbie can at the very least dribble the ball and pass.

[@TheeKing7]

I feel like nerfing Isagi's IQ doesn't make sense. If he played Volleyball then he'd have given it the same amount of time that he does football in terms of watching and playing so there'd be no difference. Any sport that he'd want to focus on would end up the same way for him considering his hunger to shine bright. You didn't nerf it much but I'm just saying LoL.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I'm assuming they swap at the end of their current animes so itd be a long time before hed spent as long playing volleyball as he has football, it would be super interesting to consider if they swapped at birth though

[@TheeKing7]

Isagi would be more like Miya Atsumu than Kenma imo. Isagi still hungers to score so he'd find ways to do so regardless of his low physical prowess. That would most likely lead to a crazy Jump Float serve and some spiking as well even if he isn't the strongest spiker. He's a striker after all with an insatiable hunger to score and the king of adaptability. You gotta factor these things in if you ask me.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Eventually yeah, he's not gonna be able to do a jump serve early on lol. And I did say he'd do better later anyway

[@TheeKing7]

@@LessonsFromAnime True, you did and I'm not saying the overall video was wrong or anything. You said a lot of things that were on point. I just think it's more fair to say he's been playing his entire life because he would've been if Volleyball was his favorite sport instead of Football. So he'd come in with high experience like Kageyama did. I do agree that Early on Hinata could be better but Isagi would eventually surpass him. That makes a lot of sense. The early on is just more comparable in my opinion. Like a very slight lead.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

It probably would have been more fair, but also a lot more difficult to do, and probably not as interesting to watch either tbh as it would have been 100% speculation

[@TheeKing7]

@@LessonsFromAnime Can't say I really disagree with that. Just wanna say thanks for reading and responding to me. I really LOVE your videos and I even got my lil bro watching you and he's hooked LoL.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

@@TheeKing7 haha that's hilarious, hope he's enjoying them too lol

[@ganjub1us]

but in the 1st episode of haikyuu hinata was with football ball, so he played it as a kid in school or with his friends because its more common to play football, so he can have atleast a little bit of gamesense and atleast more than a basic skill like controlling the ball, etc

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I mention this and I do agree but it's not going be anything crazy, will definitely still be lacking technique wise

[@TCSCTWISTED]

kunigami playing volleyball skipping gym days:

[@generalkindle3308]

I think we should also consider that Blue lock has much less runtime even if we go by anime only, so we should take Hinata at season 1 for the comparison which probably increases Isagi’s chances, though I haven’t watched Haikyuu so I’m not sure.

[@justsecret3032]

I think you need to take account sa pace of the game, Nature of the game and the control of the ball. The length of game and how long every plays lasts. Nature of the game is completely different because of complete reliance to available route per scoring chances because of difference in count of the people in the field. And how much can a person control the ball. The argument i have against Isagi is playing volleyball will limit his mind because he needs to rely to his physical capabilities to keep up to his mind and how little the possible plays he can do because there's only 3 timings he can do and 5 different attackers at best. Against hinata is he is too late, because running and jumping can't really do anything if he is not a threat. The difference maker is the goal keeper. He need to become good at shooting atleast before he have an effect to the game. In the long run, hinata will become a threat as a forward and marking him will be hard because of his speed and jumping ability. The defense might crumble from his physical capabilities. For Isagi, He will only become an average setter because thinking while setting is just the half of it and he can't affect every play as a setter in comparison on how much effect he can do in the football field.

[@marti5356]

Dont think this is much fair of a comparison, you said that you would be comparing the animes but isagi has only had one season to evolve, while hinata has had 4, if we put in the manga of blue lock to somewhere where the 4th season would be, which would probably be around now, isagi has evolved tremendously, and is competing against the best players in the world, so I think there he would beat hinata by a mile, because of improved physical stats, his spatial awareness (meta vision) has improved to a level where he doesnt need to be accustomed to the sport, and that kind of stuff, im mainly talking about the early on part of the video, but it can also be applied to the later on part of the video

[@xsmfxtofux867]

Ur comparing high school kids and grownups with military level training lmaoo

[@karirbx4726]

like you said isagi has been loving soccer at a very very young age and that reason he improves with every game he plays he has a lot of knowledge in his head about the game so in volleyball i wont b the same i don't believe he would be able to predict as good as he does in soccer because volley ball is a whole different sport tho Hinata saw it on tv once and started to play aswell with Hinata's never ending stamina and the drive he has the amount of practice he would be getting would be amazing because the amount of overtime practice he already gets and i am an anime only so i do believe that Hinata will take the dub in the long run but it depends how long because isagi knowledge about will improve rapidly the more games he plays

[@hmmmmname]

Their situations are a little unfair in comparison. Isagi is in a specialized training camp that's specifically created to hone his skills and the skills of everyone around him to create the best football player in the world, while Hinata is in a Highschool club. Isagi was already on his Nationals team at the beginning of BL (iirc), while Hinata was basically an enthusiastic beginner. Hinata was admonished for developing his individual skills (in season 2) and was instead told to help the team (the situation was similar to what Isagi's was at the beginning of BL). When he crashed a more specialized training camp, while not being allowed to actually play (aside from the extra practice), he grew by leaps and bounds just by observing, and ended up being able to compete with other national level players. Basically by the time he finished learning all of the basic's of Volleyball towards the end of the series he ended up a Nationals level player.

[@rubi7959]

i was gonna say hinata, but then i remeberd, that isagi could play setter and not mid/OH, which seems i guess like the perfect fit, so i am not sure. isagi does not have great jumping but good acu. so maybe it should work better. Hinata would be like kunigami and chigiri and not in a position like isagi, but he should be a very good player there. in the end, i think hinata would be better at what kunigami and chigiri are doing, then isagi would whta kageyama is doing, if that makes sense (also i wrote this at 0:00-0:02 so yeah don't @me about the video)

[@occular]

First day playing football, nobody can even move with the ball and do touches correctly, same with even shooting it with any power or passing. Volleyball is a different story. Isagi can easily be able to set first day

[@overheaven8684]

Isagi by no means is weak in athleticism and physique. In the LN he was the best middle school striker in his prefrecture and described as athletic. I'd also say he arguably has more stamina than Hinata since football obviously requires more stamina than volleyball. Isagi is able to play at a high level for long periods running up and down the field, play above his limits (by consciously achieving flow), run down (while playing OMF/RAM) to play defense because the BL NPCs can't do shit, and kept up with Snuffy's plays/brain who was stated as the best overall player in the Blue Lock universe. I don't play volleyball at a high level (yet😭) but most of the time I'd say the stamina required is *usually* used in short bursts. The only reason Isagi looks shitty is because he's surrounded by born prodigies. Not saying any of this changes the fact that Isagi would struggle in volleyball but i felt like you were just underrating Isagi in aspects he clearly surpasses Hinata in.

[@sarvagyamaurrya163]

me after seeing isagi .. how should i devour his adaptibility..........

[@LessonsFromAnime]

This is actually (kinda) my next video lol

[@kissigus5797]

Has hikyu manga ended I thought it was pretty famous why did it end though? Can anyone tell what happened in the ending

[@basenperusalen]

Adulthoood happened and it was lit

[@kissigus5797]

@@basenperusalen so will there be hikyu 2 or something like that? Or is it over?

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Fully over unfortunately, beautiful ending though

[@titanforce800]

Whatever things is going on i will always love Haikyuu way more than blue lock... that's all.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

Blue Lock is my number 2, Haikyuu will always be my number 1

[@marianominino7264]

Isagi playing volleyball, and its not even close, no lets start watching the video...

[@aidsloveskat_1959]

imagine nagi and isagi in volley vs kageyama and hinata in football

[@rafeldabi]

Hinata did some futbol-esque training in Brazil, where he would trap the volleyball in order to become more familiar with it and control it with all parts of his body. No matter what position Isagi were to play, he'd be much worse at volley than Hinata at soccer.

[@nacligang]

Tbh, now that I've actually watched some of Haikyuu, while I still think Isagi would do better at Volleyball than Hinata at football, Hinata would definitely make it through the first saga of the BlueLock Project(up to the NEL)

[@daddysirbtw3192]

what about a mixture of both

[@kinpaebbasta430]

Being able to control the ball in football is something it take years of practise to be kinda good at. Even passing the ball is hard af. So hinata doesnt take day 1 win at all. Plus Isagi could literally only learn to serve and keep scoring points for example.

[@LessonsFromAnime]

I feel like the same could be said about anything in volleyball tbh, and whilst isagi is "only learning to serve" which definitely isn't going to be easy to get to a stage that can "keep scoring points", Hinata can focus on one skill too

[@timbraska6750]

So what are we really comparing here is the question. None of the two players will be in top tier sport of the other if we are being realistic. So it comes to who can be better in an average game in the sport of the other. Now if we compare the directions the animes take it will most likely be Isagi. Blue lock just does stuff that is simply impossible in the real world. Which doesn't make the anime bad, it just makes comparing characters from Blue Lock with Haikyuu a bit unfair. Haikyuu ofc also does it's fair share of stuff that should be impossible and has boosted physical attributes but at least stays within the boundaries of what is possible in the sport. Characters from Blue Lock could beat Haikyuu characters by simply doing bicycle kicks over the net as attacks and receiving with their feet.

[@goomy6502]

Isagi won't be able to use that thing called spacial awareness, because you can't hold the ball and ball can go anywhere. And he lacks in physicality so muchthat he would be just yamaguchi level at best

[@SindidAraf]

Hinata will indeed do well in the winger. He is so fast so stamina. he can dribble well (i guess).

[@RevilloPhoenix]

Isagi is actually not slow thou, among other thing other commenters have said. There are a few instances. Against Nico, it starts with his read infront of his own goal, then the ball gets brought up, anbd when Batchira passes, everyone is shocked how the hell he all the way on the other side at the enemy goal, he ran down the whole field at the same speed the ball got to the other side, and the ball can be kicked up way faster normally. Also in the game against nagi when they go for the final goal, Isagi passes to Chigiri, and then is able to at least somewhat keep up with him to be in position for Chigiri to pass back to him for a potential one two play, if Chigiri completely leaves him in the dust, he wouldn't be able to be in that position for the one two. He keeps saying how he lacks physical abilities, but evidence says otherwise when he gets into the zone, he can push himself past his limits.

[@beasteaglegamerpocketversi2003]

i feel like youre ignoring the difficulty of volleyball i mean Hinata couldnt even receive at all in the begining let alone set so i feel making isagi a setter is going to make things harder for him and then theres also the fact that kageyama is already the setter so isagi would be made a middle blocker just due to the fact that the setter place is taken and because he isnt as good as nishinoya and isnt able to recieve on day one so that removes the possibility of being a libero as well

[@TheManyEyedOne]

I dont think you understand a few things here- 1. There are research backed studies that states that Football players are by far the most athletic people among atheletes of other games, by comparision volleyball isnt even close to there. That alone should completely neutralize Hinata's physical advantages. Just for the record, a football player is constantly running around the field for the entire duration of a match, unlike Volleyball players who face close to no movement whatsoever during their matches. 2. You have skipped one of the most important traits about Isagi-His Observation and the 'Processing' of the data he got from the observation. One of the major problems Isagi faced early on was his lack of physical strength compared to other football players, but in volleyball he would never need to run around, thus giving him more mental space to focus on analysing his opponents. Also, The Entire Haikyuu anime is mostly around strategy. What makes one team different from the other is; who is playing in their team, how synchronised the players are, and who is guessing each other's motives better. Guess what are Isagi's strong points? All the Above! There is no way, Isagi will ever beat Hinata at Volleyball under any circumstances.