This Weird Method Has Potential...

[@CubingWithAlex]

CMLL only has 42 algs sorry!!! Idk how that error completely went over my head lol.

[@edenfunnell3610]

your pro point about cmll in a way that skips pll when you insert the lass edge on the bottom is a bit obsolete. its like saying it's possible to do both oll and pll with one alg, one look last layer. There would just be so many algs. cause you would have to do the cmll in a way that orients and permutes the edges into a shape so that when the last edge on the bottom is solved they are also solved. This is the exact same as doing one look last layer for cfop but would require more algs as there is an extra edge piece on the bottom

[@itzapply]

If you moved your mic farther you would have less poping or just turn you gain down

[@Manu_007]

lol

[@ignDart]

@@edenfunnell3610 yeah, or maybe doing cmll then an alg for l5e

[@SDE_speedcuber]

If you learn CLL for 2x2 you will just know cmll

[@CubeHead]

Dope video, definitely going to experiment with the method! (Also dope cube mat lol)

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yooooooo!!! Thanks for watching my video, and I had a feeling you would like the mat :D

[@aedan_tr]

Yoooo

[@aosksnneen]

Great editing, explanation, and the theme of the video. You are really gonna blow if you keep doing these kind of videos :D

[@indypop1816]

Exactly

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@misho215]

I agree

[@aosksnneen]

@@CubingWithAlex congrats on 900 subs btw I was the 900th

[@mustafaasimwidatalla3029]

@@aosksnneen now he is over 1k, he is skyrocketing bc of this video

[@305_cuberdude]

Interesting twist on Freefop. I thought of doing f2b but while making your blocks, insert the back edge of the bottom layer. Then to insert the last edge after f2b, insert it in a way that solves EO, which allows for COLL/ZBLL

[@CubingWithAlex]

That sounds pretty cool! If you ever try it out, tell me how it goes!

[@305_cuberdude]

@@CubingWithAlex I did a bit of research and experimentation; at the top level, the average f2b takes ~3.5 seconds. After experimentation and alg development, Last edge + EO takes around 0.8 seconds. Assuming the top solvers use full ZBLL (which on average takes 1.1-1.4 seconds), we get a theoretical global of 5.4 seconds. Using the method for a bit, I averaged 12-14 but I am not that great at block building and do not know ZBLL. Considering that the algs for last edge + EO are not many and are intuitive, this method could have great potential. Curious to see what you think of this method!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting…I definitely have to try this out. It sounds really cool and has some potential. Thanks for telling me!

[@connoreasley1222]

I had the same idea while watching this video. I am definately interested in trying this method out now.

[@305_cuberdude]

@@davinkeee The alg set does exist; I have them memorized as they are intuitive to figure out and simple. Solving all the edges is pointless as you would need to learn LL algs that do not affect the edges, when just solving the EO (which is the top cross) while putting the last edge in just leads to the ZBLLS or COLLS that you would get in CFOP

[@kluaoha]

With the last five edges oriented, there are 17 cases: You have - three 3-cycles - three 2x2-cycles - six 5-cycles when the last cross edge is unsolved, along with H, Ua, Ub, Z, and skip from regular PLL. Without orientation is where it gets bloated, as there are 16 ways to orient the edges: - ten 2-flips - five 4-flips along with the all-oriented case. Naively, this is 16*17 = 272 algorithms, but we can reduce it knowing the symmetry of some cases: - PLL skip and H are both symmetric along all four AUFs, so they each contribute the following: - one all-oriented (just for H; otherwise it's a skip for the whole last step) - three 2-flips (last cross piece flipped, opp on U, adj on U) - two 4-flips (last cross piece flipped, or just the four U edges flipped) - Z is symmetric along U2, so we instead have: - one all-oriented - six 2-flips (each of the three skip/H cases amongst the two Z symmetries) - three 4-flips (last cross piece flipped amongst the two Z symmetries, or just the four U edges flipped) This reduces the number of total cases from 272 to 245. A large amount can further be eliminated if we allow M' setups; this is like an M-analog to AUF (call is AMS - "adjust middle slice"), but that's enough for this post.

[@japethjulespatulot3037]

Wow 🤯

[@oddapple5621]

This video was very high quality! As a roux user I don’t think this method is as good a roux or cfop, but the video was great. You’ve earned a sub!

[@ErenMichelet]

Before anything else it’s really cool seeing someone analyze their own solving and make such an excellently edited video about it! As a roux solver I find it interesting, though I have some thoughts. 1. This is only rotationless if there is not a back insert with bad EO. If you use the r wide insert and re-insert the DB edge you’re just doing an iffy CFOP insert, where rotations are generally considered better in normal CFOP, which would mean CFOP is also rotationless. 2. Roux FB being solved means there are basically no L moves, which means no z rotations in OH, so I think pure roux is probably better than this for one handed. 3. The alg sets you are looking for are large though not impossible. If you want to solve the cube in 2 steps after finishing f2l-DF CMLL is 42 algs + L5E (solving the 4 U edges + DF) is 245 algs. This is the last step of the Nautilus method btw, which you might be interested in. 4. Fundamentally I don’t really see what solving the back cross edge does. It barely makes the roux ending easier (only preventing the worst edge orientation cases) and it restricts the pair creation. It does make it subjectively easier, with one fewer blindspot, but I don’t think it actually helps the solve much at all? Using L5E has been discussed among top roux solvers and its been discovered that the intuitive solutions are nearly equal to the intuitive ones (this even applies to just ELL) so that is barely a benefit also. I don’t want to discourage you honestly. I’ve seen taking a different approach to f2l actually really help people improve, and it’s really fun also. It’s why I’ve practiced to sub-17 with Petrus and ZZ, for fun. Still idk if cross-1 is as good as CFOP, or if it’s just you being good at cubing carrying you ;) Have fun with this and awesome video!

[@anja.k4]

exactly

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank You!!!!! Also, thanks for going so in depth with your comment!! Just so you know, I am not the smartest guy when it comes to cube knowledge and stuff, and I love messing around with different methods and ways to solve the cube, so I'll try my best to respond to your thoughts. 1. This is correct. I do cross -1 without rotating, but there are a few cases that are hard to do without rotating. I'm sure I haven't found the best solutions for those cases yet. Also, I tend to use wide move inserts regardless of what method I use. However, I do agree that this method can be a bit "clunky" at times. 2. I don't do much OH, but I definitely do agree that cross -1 isn't very great for one handed. 3. I think I was a bit too optimistic when thinking about this alg set, but at least its a thing! Also, thank you for telling me about Nautilus! 4. When thinking in terms of Roux, solving the back edge isn't very helpful. Since I use CFOP, I've found that solving the back edge and leaving an open slot can make solving certain pairs easier (and faster). The problem is that it takes time to insert the final cross edge if your using OLL and PLL (I use OLL and PLL because I'm not very good at roux). I think that this method relates more to CFOP than it does to Roux because you're still doing f2l instead of block building. The open slot just lets you use a few block building tricks to help you solve the first two layers. I can definitely see Roux and CFOP being better than Cross -1. I just thought Cross -1 was an interesting method, and I wanted to know what everyone else thought of it. Thank you for sharing your opinion!!!! Also, you didn't discourage me! I'm happy someone took the time to actually think about this method and compare it the ones that they know. Like you said, messing around with other methods is really fun, and I actually think that it can help you improve. (my CFOP solves have been getting better ever since I tried Cross -1!) Have a great rest of your day!!

[@GeorgeCubes123]

This is very nice!Well filmed and edited!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank You!!!

[@Alcube]

@George Cubes you didn't tell me you knew this guy! 🤩

[@GeorgeCubes123]

@@Alcube heheh

[@CubingWithAlex]

There’s an error at 5:47. I meant to say “Hope that the last layer’s corners are oriented.” Sorry!

[@navywolf05]

really cool idea! also FYI last 5 edges does exist as an alg set already, so that'd fit in perfectly as the last step pf this method

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks for letting me know!!

[@Anthony_Jiang]

It is an alg set that we’ve been working on for years. Many roux users have tried to learn it but intuitive L5E is probs just better

[@X-otaax]

While watching this, i thought to myself "wow, this guy is amazing, surely he has at least 50k subs let me just check" so i did, and i was shocked to find that you only had 900!?!?!? You deserve way more man, keep it up!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!!!

[@TheCubingGrandmaster]

I keep the cross-1 slot on the left (or right). I alternate S and S' moves using my left and right hands.

[@Rl-tn1ys]

i could say the same for your channel. 1k subs yet has the quality of a verified youtuber. good job!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@bensolvesfast2525]

Underrated youtuber, also I think inserting the last edge piece after f2l is worth the extra moves you have to do because of the rotation-less f2l and being able to create pairs easier.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!!

[@KingKing-hl5ve]

This channel will grow very quickly, your video quality is really good keep it up 👍

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@fun_g]

U had me thinking in the first half of this video as a cubehead vid. I think thats enough to say how good ur vid was.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@fun_g]

@@CubingWithAlex Don't mention it my dude. NOW DONT YOU DAER GO INCONSISTENT 😂✋

[@alainmercier4331]

I definitely LOVE watching your videos with JAZZ music in background. !!!! Team XMAN Tornado V2 (more quiet and with butter felling than the V3)

[@neilinou4378]

when i saw the video yesterday it had only 900 view, now it got more than 20k! you truly deserve it for all the effort that you put on this video. would love to see more from you!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@Namuundoesstuff]

i found this vid from a friend, and immediately love your content :D extremely high quality and underrated! subscribed

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!

[@trolling_grinder]

This channel is tooo underated just subbed you will reach 1000 subs in no time

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!!

[@TheSixSides1]

I’ve got an idea for last layer with Cross-1: You orient all of your edges then insert your last cross piece followed by either COLL, ZBLL or even just OLL and PLL.

[@sumiranmaiskar]

This is really interesting man! Epic production quality too! Awesome vid

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!!

[@bidbid5413]

keep it up man! your channel will blow up 1 day

[@edperm7909]

This is one of the most underrated channel ever, keep up the good work! 😮

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@MAGMA31]

Just subscribed. What a nice voice, editing and qualities :) Keep it up!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@NzCubes]

Wow, I liked how well-explained this video was. I really enjoyed it, well done! 💫

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!!

[@vintageswiss9096]

Earned a sub with the unique look at new solves.

[@191919roger]

I saw this video yesterday, subscribed, saw that you have 500 subs and thought you would have more, and now you have 1k the next day. Congrats!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea I can barely believe that that actually happened! Thanks for watching my videos!!!

[@thatonecuuuuuuuber]

Wow Amazing video Alex the idea, execution and quality are on point and I can’t believe how fast you are growing

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!!

[@theonewiththeratpfp]

congrats bro you're getting pushed to wider cubing youtube and with good reason this video is insanely good (here before 1k!!)

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!

[@lavatrex6736]

I just want to say, this is a really really well made video haha props

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@luciscribbles4477]

great job with the video and explanation- excited to learn more about this method!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@ashertan2257]

Nice vid ur probably gonna blow up soon. Here before 100k

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!

[@ashertan2257]

Congrats on 2k

[@rangercubing6429]

I think I like it, and after doing a few solves I can agree that this has potential and I plan on learning more.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Cool!! Good luck, and have fun :)

[@jeilha_]

You’re gonna reach 10k by the end of the year no doubt🎉.

[@benlapiana8290]

Hey man! I just had your video come up in my recommendations and thought I'd check it out. Awesome job with the video and audio. They were both very clear and enjoyable to watch. The one note I would have is to use an app like "Elegant Teleprompter" on Android to put your script right above or below your camera. This will allow you to look like you are looking directly at the camera and speaking naturally to us, the audience, as you are reading your script. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing future videos from you! God bless!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea I’m definitely going to try that out!! Thanks!!

[@the_swest]

Just claiming my OG spot - here at 741 subs!

[@JFCUBING]

Woah this popped up in my recommended, and I'm really glad it did because this video is really good! Really well done man! 👏👏👏

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks JF!!!!!!! That means a lot to me! Thank you :)

[@GVN_Cubing]

Alex , my god ur channel blew up this week , anyway you deserve it as your edits are awesome ! Road to 10k

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@Zdeu]

About the PLL skip thingy, you can use CMLL, EO, L5EP (L5E) which only has 15~ algs

[@Speedcubing-TV]

This method might actually be the future ngl

[@thesphyrth]

It's a form of old abandoned Roux Variant: After 2 Blocks, Insert Back Edge. Then solve the remaining pieces with a single alg (that alg is why it's abandoned -, Rouxers generally hate algs).

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting! Thanks for letting me know!

[@anja.k4]

yeah, last six edges are, presuming optimal solutions, only 0.06 moves less efficient than last five edges. (11.14 vs 11.06) but the thing is, with EOLR (which is fully intuitive) into 4c, you can get to like 13.2 moves without a single alg. (or at least something around the number) who wants to learn 245 algs to save 2 moves?

[@adriangd5040]

This is awesome. Subbed Also I *WILL* make that alg set for CMLL -> PLL skip

[@Li_C_]

So by my (probably wrong) calculations, after cross -1, f2l, and CMLL, there are 960 possible cases for the cube to be in, which means 959 algs + 42 from CMLL = 1001 algs total for optimal cross -1… On the bright side loads of them will be very intuitive.

[@Aztofia]

Finally, KZbinr that main X man tornado v2

[@Zhequin]

This is such a underrated channel. Not saying the name is bad i like it but i recommend a more catchy name if you know what i mean like cubehead or jperm other than that editing, quality, idea and your opinion is top tier 👑

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@htoohtoo5244]

the new big cubing youtuber.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@dollyrr]

Great video! I think you looking to the side is you reading a script and I would suggest putting it in front of you, if that is the case so you don't keep looking to the side. keep up the good work as usual!

[@sofiamn_05]

Loved the video, really interesting!

[@GDasher-ej9tn]

1:24 there is a method called zbroux which is this but you also orient all the edges and then zbll

[@supersnowman16]

another quite similar method to this is hawaian kociemba, where after f2l u orient ll + last edge, then permute everything with one alg, it's quite a lot of algs, but it looks like a fun method

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting. Thanks for letting me know!

[@Trotterss]

Found your channel yesterday and was amazed that you only had 620 subs. I check today and your at 1000! That just shows that all your hard work is paying off

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!! Yea today has been a pretty great day for me lol

[@ryaneckersley2037]

are we just inventing hawaiian kociemba again

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks for letting me now about this method. I’ll make sure to credit it in the description!

[@ZedaZ80]

First, fantastic video quality/style! I personally think Roux is going to be the better option, but this is a really neat bridge between CFOP and Roux. I have a rough time with CFOP, but I'm decent at Roux, so this might help me get better at CFOP :O Thanks for the video!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!! Roux is probably the better option. I just thought that it was an interesting method that was pretty fun (I’m not sure if it’s good yet. I’m still testing that lol). It’s nice to see that you found a use for it!

[@colelacey2875]

I think it's cool that you are trying new things..

[@ur_local_goomba]

"We will watch your career with great interest."

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@vinaydabroblox6639]

He deserves more atention this is really good

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you!!!

[@NuraNsr]

I'm Looking into creating some oll + pll skip algs, Great video btw!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Cool!! Thanks for watching!!

[@lavatrex]

i really hope this method gets more popularity

[@Alcube]

Yooo! I'm glad youtube chose to make your video appear on my KZbin home page! You are soo underrated! I subscribed! Hope I see more videos from you! Have a nice day!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!!!!!

[@MehulGajwani]

This sounds a lot like the first 1.5 steps of ZZ (EOLine+first block). Instead of the missing cross edge on the side, you prefer to put it in the front (hmmm which might be better so that you can use M and w moves). But you don't do EO, making the algorithm space larger and more convoluted. You could consider cross-1 with EO but that is awfully close to ZZ...

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting… I haven’t looked much into ZZ, so…. I have to do that

[@CarCVrooM]

Before inserting the last cross edge you could do eo and than insert with M' U2 M. Witch gives you the ability to do something like Coll or zbll.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Cool! I have to try that out. Thanks for letting me know!!

[@xVocalWarrior]

Great video! I can see you looking towards the bottom right a lot, idk if that's from reading like a script or not, but maybe put it in front of you at least? Idk just a tip but great video

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea I was looking at my script a lot for some reason. That should hopefully be fixed by next video

[@dilosscottify]

Really enjoyed this, I find planning full cross hard and most times only can plan 3 pieces so I'm going to play with this idea more. It feels like it's got potential but I'm not maximising use of the free slot at front yet.

[@indypop1816]

Another thing that has potential is ur yt channel I’m subbing now and will spread the word

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thank you :)

[@bumper.]

Excellent video. Subscribed

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@heathero8980]

if you could develop algs for inserting the last piece while solving the last layer this could be amazing

[@doublezmethodguy8293]

That would be over 10000 algs a viable way is to orient the corners then solve the edges and corners at the same time that's like 400 algs

[@RowanFortier]

Hey, awesome video! I have 2 videos on my channel of when I was discovering Roux-CFOP hybrid methods. Another way you could do Cross-1 is to orient the edges Roux style **while** solving the last cross edge (combining 2 parts into one), then you'd just be left with ZBLL. Great stuff, you just got a new subscriber :)

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting... I definitely have to try that out! I also have to check those videos out as well! Thank you!!!

[@mh2o_vods352]

OMG THIS IS THE VID I WAS WATCHING U EDIT

[@CubingWithAlex]

:)

[@tomascosta9237]

An alg set that skips pll and inserts the last cross edge has a lot of algs to memorise, i found 20 and then realized that is a very small portion of all the diferent cases. I think there are arround 100 diferent cases so i dont think its worthed.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea I was way too optimistic about that alg set

[@IMresvill]

What a great video your ganna blow up soon 2ith youur style

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@KBF24]

Am I a cuber? No. Do I watch all your cubing videos anyway? Yes… So interesting!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@zeyy84]

Time to be a cuber then

[@nesthi]

An alternate method: Don't solve for cross. Solve for pairs with a cross piece and insert together. Do for all four cross pieces (and pair). Combo if you can match them up. It's more thought intensive and slower. But it's less move count compared to cfop. If you get efficient enough, then you can be quite fast. Or it's good practice for x-cross + 1.

[@wrcuber5030]

Can you upload example solves that would help me get a better understanding

[@S_Miclemie]

I do a similar thing while doing Roux, I first make a line (which is essentially 2 cross pieces) and then do the rest of the solve like a normal Roux solve, by solving 2 cross pieces on the left and right I find it much easier to do block building, and F2L is still easy because only the left and right pieces are solved, it the front and back pieces

[@kassemhaidar762]

you can do xcross and look ahead to second pair and insert it and do pseudosloting to last 2 pairs and continue oll pll

[@marcelohmg]

Have you tried the METHA method? It has a different approach and its a bit hard, but I'm trying to learn it and it has a lot of potencial.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Cool!! I’ll look into it

[@megliotwitch6693]

2 years later, I yesterday got my first sub10 with this method. It's cool bro i would like to see you make another video about it

[@CharbelLovesJesus]

4:34 this is already paired up tho?

[@anucube]

Wow you are really underated!!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@J.J.J.J.J.J.J]

Very cool video 😎 with interesting ideas 🤯

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@NGV15]

Very nice video , which software are you using for your high quality edits

[@CubingWithAlex]

I am currently using DaVinci Resolve (its free btw!)

[@NGV15]

@@CubingWithAlex oh , thanks

[@yeshuaquinonez7171]

mm, interesting; but to know if it's truly worth, first it has to pass the Jay Mcneill filter

[@ryanchiang1202]

Cross negative one is crazy

[@lubecube1250]

Great Video! It was awesome!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@EnderSlayer3035]

Could you do some example solves? I’m having a tough time comfortably doing rotationless f2l

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea I’ll look into doing some example solves soon (let me get a little better first). For the meantime I recommend watching some Roux block building videos because they have a few useful tricks you can use.

[@papiez8054]

nice video! in my opinion when you orient all edges, when you solving last cross edge, you can do zbll. it is maybe more efficency and can be better then oll/pll

[@CubingWithAlex]

Interesting. I definitely have to try that out. Thanks!

[@malockssomexmastodon4615]

I wonder if you do a sort of thing where you solve the back to pairs and they do a petrus edge orientation thing solving the front side could be good

[@NickPanik]

Blew my mind ! That has potential for me aswell !!

[@janicexu4922]

Just got an LL skip with this method, NEW SUB!

[@CubingWithAlex]

Nice!!!!! Thanks for the sub!!

[@TulioV]

How do u have less than 1k? U deserve a lot more subs.

[@basketballdummy6385]

fax

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!

[@janrubenmeesters6847]

Your a really good youtuber

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks :)

[@tannerboos2268]

Solving the last cross piece just screams to be done together with another step. Seems reasonable to orient and solve two edge pieces simultaneously. By forcing the two solved edges into consistent locations you’ve reduced the last layer into 40 zbll cases plus a subset of pll. I feel like the two edges, cross, and orient edges can be done somewhat intuitively at the start. You get a two look last layer but you lose a bit on lookahead, the zbll algs aren’t the fastest coll ones, but you get rotationless. Idk, seems interesting. I use zz though, so I’d rather just do eo-arrow instead

[@zCrystxl]

great editing looks like cubehead

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!! He is one of my biggest inspirations :)

[@Dawncubed]

Ngl I'm gonna start trying this!

[@CCentaur2]

I tried this method and I got a sub-15. I believe this method isn't as good as other methods. Inserting the last cross edge can be quite slow, since M moves are slower than R/L moves. Roux is also rotationless and more efficient. If you want to learn a speedcubing method, choose Roux or CFOP.

[@CubingWithAlex]

Yea that was my only issue with this method. Inserting the cross edge takes too long. Thank you for telling about your experience with it!

[@CCentaur2]

@@CubingWithAlex Thank you for your reply!

[@patrice5647]

This is fking underrated how the actual fuck do you not have 500 000+ subs

[@TobiasMK09]

Keep it up you are underraateed

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!

[@Youi2190]

me makes this and uses it quite frequenly sees the vid finally someone else

[@BMBMBM]

what is your mic? it's sounds really great!

[@CubingWithAlex]

I use the Fifine t669

[@schwii6896]

Holy nice video quality

[@CubingWithAlex]

Thanks!!!