THIS Would Improve Spider-Man 2 Swinging Physics

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

Play Enlisted today using my link for a free bonus pack with soldiers, weapons, and more: playen.link/darkspace Insomniac's Spider-Man Series is a series that I love so much that I want it to be the best it can be. Unfortunately, I don't think these Physics are the best they can be. (They're perfect for arcade swinging.) But they didn't really change anything from last time- except for adding an optional slider that essentially just decreases the strengths of various aspects of their (already bad) swinging system. I'm not claiming to be absolutely right, but my opinion is that they should aim more toward physics simulation, like Spider-Man 2 (2004).

[@sirvko]

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[@vaskoz3700]

enlisted is my favourite ww2 game tbh best mix of milsim arcade ive ever seen in any ww2 fps

[@Lonelysum]

Umm bro I watched your video on improving the first game swinging I used some of your points In their feedback do you maybe have any more maybe I can get insomniac to hear it its not guaranteed though

[@farhanchoksi98]

Im sure you've never once hung upside down from a swing without L2, sad you're missing out on animations in the game xD

[@Robin_Is]

Ok.

[@DrEcho]

Technically, a loop in a faithfully recreated physics system would still require a dive or at least a fall from an adequate height for it to work. In fact the only reason it could ever work the way it did without that prerequisite in Spider-Man 2 2004 in its otherwise realistic engine was because of the boost mechanic that let us delete real-world conservation of energy laws.

[@YOEL_44]

And I think that's perfectly acceptable, you should tweak your game mechanics to make them actually playable and fun, but when the game decides what you should do at every corner...

[@DrEcho]

@@YOEL_44 I agree. My point is that the fact that Spider-Man 2 2023 requires a dive in order to enter loops shouldn't be held up as a point against it if "realism" is the metric by which we're judging.

[@Bwoodlyy]

@@DrEchoIt’s a problem when you can’t naturally do loops tho. He explained that in the vid. The loops have to be set up in engine by a button press. Your momentum has almost nothing to do with it.

[@zeyyyboggiee]

@@Bwoodlyyyour momentum is in the dive?

[@danieleanzaldi]

@@zeyyyboggiee but it has to be the L3 dive or if you just fall and naturally dive you're not going to loop and you'll automatically let go of the web at the highest point

[@manukau5271]

All the gameplay shown still has Swing Assist on

[@Gensis]

hahhahahaha

[@Young_Special]

Exactly... dude should've focused on 0% Swing-Assist instead of blatantly speaking for the sake of speaking.

[@StuartLugsden]

You can find unused sliding mechanics in the game files for the first game. I was hoping to see those return in the second one.

[@deadspace297]

Sliding? What do you mean?

[@akira17_samurai]

​@@deadspace297 grinding

[@deadspace297]

@@akira17_samurai Like web wall running type shit?

[@Door3234]

IVE BEEN ASKING FOR GRINDING EVER SINCE WE SAW SPIDERMAN DO IT WHEN HE FIRST GOT THE ADVANCE SUIT WE WERE SO CLOSE

[@jonathanw3909]

where can we see this online?

[@DjKat-10]

Just the 2 cents of an engineer with a degree in physics. Nobody would want a 100% or even 50% physics base swing system. That really would kill the fantasy of playing as Spider-Man.

[@A.H.goose1]

As a current engineering undergraduate, agreed. I don’t think these guys understand what physics based swinging would actually mean 😂

[@jacobharris3002]

Yeah, I mean do people think that Toby 2 had accurate physics? To start with you can change your trajectory midair without a source of propulsion, you can artificially boost the speed of your swings with skills from the spidey store, you can double jump and they had to increase gravity by a factor of 10 so you could pick up enough speed with your swings.

[@Itmeb]

It would also probably kill spiderman cause his web swinging is almost impossible

[@jacobharris3002]

For humans at least. Those are more biological than physical limitations though. @@Itmeb

[@Itmeb]

@@jacobharris3002 true

[@SyamDaRos-EndoManno]

You've talked about Euphoria Physics as a possible improvement. I have an issue with that: it makes different games look the same. It's very good looking, but also easily recognizable, while hand made / motion captured animations are different in every game

[@calebmcclure3893]

Rag doll physics look the same in every game, but nobody ever complains about that

[@abuabdullah9878]

It looks the same to the extent it looks like real life

[@Webofshadowsclips]

I feel like you'd be able to control the influence of the hand-animated animations with euphoria's physics-based ones.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

My guy you do realise that the original Spiderman 2 could get away with a lot of things due to how rudimentary the graphics and animations were, right? Making a fully physics based swinging system with this kind of graphical fidelity and detailed animation is an almost impossible task. The amount of animation variance and blending it would require is almost incomprehensible. And no, Euphoria alone can not handle or fix this. In fact, it would probably just make everything feel slow and sluggish like GTA 4 or RDR2 which is fitting for those games but not at all fitting for a Spiderman game. I agree that the swinging could still be better but saying it is the same or worse as Spiderman 2018 is simply not true. 0 swing assistance absolutely makes a difference and you can absolutely not swing across the map just holding R2 with it turned off. Realism for the sake of realism is not always good especially when you are playing a superhero game.

[@dennisderelict2597]

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[@DarenKajiWolf]

PS5 bro... We are not talking about ps3 or an Indie...

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

@@DarenKajiWolfIt's not really hardware limitation, it's a limitation in how engines and animation works. They would basically have to develop a system like Euphoria or heavily modify Euphoria specifically for use in a Spiderman game to make full physics viable behause I don't think anyone wants Spiderman to control like Arthur Morgan or Niko Bellic.

[@Phantomof_83]

It's far easier said then done

[@HOTD108_]

My guy do you realise that we are THREE ENTIRE CONSOLE GENERATIONS into the future from the PS2 days, and yet we're going backwards. Not to mention that the Insomniac games have a thousand times the budget that the PS2 game did. Being critical of the mindless swinging of this new game is 100% valid and called for.

[@momomoore379]

They literally did not copy-paste. Play the game with 0 swing assist and say it again. Also, loop de loops, swinging around corners quick, web wings, better air tricks for peter, the ability to jump and dash in the air (yes, this was in Miles Morales as well, but it does it better here since you don't lose speed from jumping and you can't just spam it)

[@mexicanboystudios2103]

actually watch the video and then comment because he literally adressed everything you said lmao

[@hazelcrisp]

It's still piss easy with 0 swing assist. Doing maneuvers takes very little skill. The game hold your hand. And setting it to zero just makes it hold you hand less tight. There's no challenge or difficulty to traverse the game. It needs more depth. Low swinging is also ass too. And web wings aren't swinging either.

[@momomoore379]

​@@mexicanboystudios2103no he didn't. He hand waved and just it was copy pasted

[@momomoore379]

​@@hazelcrispIf it's so easy, then why does this bozo in this vid not demonstrate all the stuff in the vid and how different it is with swing assist off? Because he's 100% playing with swing assist. And also you can call it brain dead, but hell, anything that's easy to do but hard to master I think is a sign of intelligent programming. And if you've seen any swinging compilations you'd know how difficult swinging can get and how complicated it can get

[@Young_Special]

​@@mexicanboystudios2103 Moda sucka... that dummy was complaining all over 10% Swing-Assist when he shouldn't even *BE* in that settings in the first place. He knows he doesn't like it. Better yet, he can turn that down by turning Swing-Assist at 0%. I admit, there are still some things that insomniac needs to sort out for that settings, but it delivered almost EVERYTHING that this sucka had a problem with for the first game. It gives us a physics based experience (to a degree). It gives us a challenge. We have better control. Yet this this dude was nagging at useless things that he shouldn't even be talking about in the first place if that's not for him. He should've delivered **GENUINE FEEDBACK** on what insomniac could go further upon for 0% Swing-Assist. Bro was speaking unprofessionaly. Either he was in his feelings for seeing 10% Swing-Assist, or his rent was due. This video was widly illogical the way he approached it. Stupid. Bro complaining on 10% Swing-Assist... when 0% Swing-Assist is right there? What a freaking donkey 🫏.

[@bramreijrink4931]

You know realisticly, if you would swing from a web you also wouldn't be able to decide which direction you would go in exactly

[@calebmcclure3893]

thats why you'd web zip in the direction you want to go, you would predominantly be moving forward with each swing though. And if they added the ability to climb webs like in ultimate spider-man, that would also help with having more control of your swinging

[@calebmcclure3893]

@@darker2920 Spider-Man does have super human strength

[@nishikantpanda8211]

Again if you do that, it takes away the player's freedom of expression. The system we have now also does that. We are asking for a middle ground. Just don't take everything to the extreme. Whether it be realism or hand holding. Your comment is very disingenuous, acting like you don't know what the guy wants. You know he wants a swinging system similar to SM2 on PS2. You know how that works but still you typed this shitty take thinking that this is your Dr House moment where you show the guy opposing you the flaw in their beliefs. But to have a moment like House you actually have to be as smart as House. Which you, clearly, are not even close to.

[@chaosspider5765]

Something that the lead developer of Spider-Man 2 (the 2004 one) explained in an interview, how they traded that piece of realism for a better swinging experience.

[@bramreijrink4931]

@@chaosspider5765 and I agree. The swinging could be a lot better. But the guy in the vid was talking about realism specifically

[@markjackson1989]

Euphoria and NaturalMotion are owned by Take Two, and it's no longer available for licensing. So, in effect, only Rockstar can use it.

[@ak-t7d6f]

that sucks

[@jazzy_burrito]

I had a feeling this guy didn't do his research on that. It isn't common tech after all.

[@StuartLugsden]

@@jazzy_burrito He dose know that as he mentioned it in another video. They can either create their own or ask Take 2 if they can use it.

[@watermelon5159]

@@jazzy_burrito I mean it's not like Insomniac can't develop their own method. It's a lot of work sure but that's just the nature of game dev.

[@Jamushu]

​@@StuartLugsden I don't think he knew. If he did then he'd know how redundant bringing up Euphoria is, because that's not the simple solution he think it is. Also; *_"They can either create their own"_* And absolutely get sued by Take-Two, the same guys who will threaten teenagers with lawsuits for making a few RP Mods in GTA Online. *_(Though I think Insomniac should try anyway. It would be just the thing to get everyone against Rockstar, which is always good.)_* *_"Or ask Take-Two if they can use it."_* *That, **_is definitely_** not gonna happen.* That's not how these Corpos work. *They never share.* Why do you think we never see other games using WB's Nemesis System? Never improving on it?

[@FullMetalVevo]

This "essay" reminds me of the ign reviewers who sucked ass at DMC and docked points for the bad music without realizing the music only picks up when you're doing good. I guess rent was due cause why else would you just lie for 21 minutes

[@Young_Special]

For real... like. Bro's coming at the problems at 10% Swing-Assist instead of giving GENUINE feedback for 0% Swing-Assist. Bro was just... nagging for no reason.

[@PanicB]

He doesn't even know how to web swing and plays using max swing assist

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

*These aren't timestamps. They're a part of a later section of my comment (also read the conclusion if you want a tldr) Swing (no assist): ~2:27 Wing (no assist): ~2:27 Wing (default): ~2:21 Swing (default): ~2:15 This video is a real mixed bag. There are some points I agree with (the webs ineracting with the world, parkour, wall running/crawling, etc.), but others are so off that Im just convinced you dont know what you're talking about. So I'll try and point out specific points I disagree with in a numbered list. 1. Game Dev is hard. You don't know anything about game development. Point blank, your suggestions for fixing these issues (most of which you're intentionally causing) are so laughably nonsensical, it's apparent that you don't understand the trial and error of making a game. Game engines and physics systems are limited. Sometimes work arounds are necessary, especially when making a game this big on a deadline like this. Insomniac has an extensive history with crunch culture, and every decision they make is to actively combat crunch in their development cycles. So no, they're they're not going to completely change the swinging in a direct sequel when the swinging already worked more than well enough. Also, they don't have as much "status" or "power" as you like to imply. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. 2. The swinging isn't obsolete. You're just bad. While, yes, it is possible to only use the web wings or to hold R2 the whole time, you ignored the biggest factor of this conversation: neither of these options are what anyone would call fun. Seriously, you completely neglect the fact that no one in their right mind would play the game like this. Instead of using the tools the game gives you, like spider dash/jump, doing tricks, or point launching, that actively make the game more challenging and engaging (which is exactly what you claim you wanted), you decided to play like a 5 year old that can't read the tutorial. This is most apparent when you compared the webwings to swinging, so I did a little experiment. I went from the northern most point on the map, the roof of the church in the Harlem cemetery, to the southern most point, a flagpole just off the shore of the financial district (it's in direct view of Lady Liberty, can't miss it). I did two runs only swinging (I included zips, tricks, point launches, and dashes/jumps) and two runs with only web wings (I was only able to use one dash and one jump), one run each with swing assist settings turned all the way down and one with them on the default. the times for each run are at the top of this comment for simplicity sake. As you can clearly see, my times for swinging were equal to or faster than using only the web wings. Not only that, using the tools given to me by the game (zips, tricks, point launches, and dashes/jumps) made the swinging so much more fun. I'm really not sure why you chose to swing with little to no input on your part. It's clear that you either intentionally made the swinging look bad to deceive your audience, or you're just bad at the game. I'm inclined to believe the latter. Obviously this isn't the most scientific, or even accurate, experiment, but I just wanted to make a point that the web wings don't make the swinging obsolete. The swinging is just as viable and just as fast if you're good at it. You're just not. 3. Speaking of swing assist... You'll notice that both my times were slower when I had the assist settings turned down. The reason for this being that you're really underselling the difference between having them turned up or down. While yes, turning the assist to 0 does remove the barrier above the ground when you swing, that's not the only thing it does. In short turning the setting down makes the physics affect you more realistically. So things like air resistance and the length of your web can slow you down. Objects like trees, lamps, and cars actually get in your way. When the setting is turned up, it flubs the numbers so you stay more centered as you swing, whereas when it's off, you'll swing closer to the building you're attached to. All this to say: turning off the assist settings makes it more challenging to maintain your flow, which is the whole basis of this swinging system. The fact that you just brush this off as a slight change leads me to believe you didn't even play the game with these settings off. If you had, you would've definitely noticed the way it affects your gameplay. 4. Web of Shadows who? This is just personal bias, but I'm so sick of people claiming that Spider-Man 2 (PS2) had the best swinging ever. It didn't. Case in point, Ultimate Spider-Man released literally a year later, and was already a more refined swinging system than 2. But I'm not here to talk about that game. I want to talk about what I think to be the best swinging system (until SM 2018), Web of Shadows. This game goes hard. If you haven't played it, you should. The swinging is just as physics based as the '04 game, but it's visceral and acrobatic. In short, it's fun and not enough people bring it up. 5. Conclusion. I don't want to be an ass, but its clear that you misrepresent (or don't understand) the game's swinging system and it feels like you're just trying to rag on the hot new thing right now because you can. There's more I could mention, but this comment is already way too long and too negative. I will say, the editing and presentation of this video are absolutely fire. No hate from me, I just disagree with your points. I'm more than willing to have a genuine conversation on this topic.

[@Goufuem]

I largely agree. The biggest problem with this video is that it largely ignores the benefits of the swinging system they have in place and the significant improvements the sequel made. It also spends an odd amount of time lamenting the loss of small things like climbing your own webs or slightly more involved webcrawling, features that ultimately wouldn't have had much practical functionality and were merely neat things you can do in those games moreso than anything else. The level design alone is already vastly superior to any other Spider-Man game. Pretty much every object serves a purpose now thanks to the addition of corner tethering. This allows you to continually circle around objects like water towers, poles, antennas, and pretty much any vertical object you can think of to gain speed and potentially redirect your direction, in addition to its obvious function of facilitating tight turns at high speeds. The sheer density of the city also provides a litany of traversal obstacles, which often become more difficult to avoid at high speeds, but the density also provides tons of traversal opportunities like point launching or wind gusts. The risk, reward trick system that was introduced in Miles Morales thrives in the 0 swing assist environment as it inherently rewards swinging low to the ground if you want to be speeding through the city as fast as possible. Pulling off tricks as quickly as possible to fill your boost gauge and keep boosting in rapid succession pretty much necessitates that you're not high off the ground and are threading the needle close to ground, rewarding skilled play. The Activision Spider-Man games are definitely very physics based, but people completely ignore that the extremely simple geometry of those games made that sort of gameplay extremely easy to accommodate. You think of webs getting caught on snags in these high model detailed environments (fire escapes, tree branches, the other myriad of uneven surfaces) and it would likely lead to an annoying experience. One where there's too many geometric variables at play for players to make reasonable predictions and plans regarding their trajectory and momentum like those older games. It's part of the reason corner tethering is able to work as it does currently, since it doesn't have to worry about wrapping around any of the various objects in an unpleasant way. The video places such an emphasis on "realism" when that wasn't what made Spider-Man 2 (PS2) good. It was how how the physics system worked in tandem with the level design and allowed for creative play. Something which Web of Shadows pushed even further by just going bonkers with the swing system and saying screw realism let's exaggerate it for the sake of playability (webs don't attach to buildings in that game but most people don't even care, the boosts can propel you to ludicrous speeds but most people don't mind). Another thing that doesn't seem to get enough appreciation is the sheer variation there is in traversal in this game, each with their own use cases. High speed swinging genuinely requires you to use all the traversal methods and switch between them on the fly (switching to the glider when you think starting a swing arc might cause you to touch the ground for example). This is a far cry from other Spider-Man games where swinging is the primary and only means of moving around besides the various wall movements which were more powerful in those games. I genuinely feel if Web of Shadow's wall movements were added, like sliding up buildings after web zipping up them (something which could transition into dives really nicely I think), being able to web zip off the side of buildings and carry that momentum into a swing, and generally more impactful wall jumps, I think there would be very, very little to actually complain about. Spider-Man 2 fixes the main problem with 2018 and Miles Morales, which wasn't that that the skill floor was too low (holding R2 and automatically swinging), but rather that the skill ceiling was too low. Now there's a very tangible difference between how a novice and a veteran traverses through the game world.

[@calebmcclure3893]

Web of shadows does not physics based swinging, the webs don’t even attach to the buildings.

[@kidsseeghxst]

i agree lmao some of his points makes no sense whatsoever, they can all be countered😭

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

@Goufuem I appreciate you so much 😭 You articulated every point I ever wanted to make much better than I ever could. Also, the idea of putting Web of Shadows style wall sliding is absolutely genius. I'm mad I didn't come up with that.

[@Bwoodlyy]

The best comments and replies on this entire video. Everyone here knows ball. Spider-Man 2 is undoubtedly the best Spider-Man traversal we’ve ever had at 0 swing assist. Yeah I kinda wish it wasn’t so clunky to swing low however because you know it’s really hard it gives you an actual challenge. Every single swing low to the ground has the “oh shit am I gonna make it” feeling because you don’t know if the game will abruptly stop you or not. Web wings when used properly are pretty much a safety net anyways. You can pull off almost any low ground swing if you time your wings into your swing. There’s real depth here. You can only find that depth after a ton of hours at 0 swing assist which most people would never want to do. The reason 0 assist is in the game is for the minority of people who do. I would assume the creator of the video would be in that minority yet it seems he didn’t give it much time. The difference between 0 and 1 swing assistance is so vast that you can’t get the best of both worlds. 1 fudges things enough for me that it feels pointless, I might as well be on 10. Imo we need an advanced swinging mode. Either you have 10 assist or you’re playing advanced mode. No in between.

[@DiZZiEntertainment]

HELL NO, I don't want web shooter catridges.

[@abyssalhunta]

bro doesnt wanna talk about how swing assist can be turned off which fixes a lot of the problems he had

[@JohnDoe-ou7mq]

the biggest thing I got from this video is WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER?

[@elviswilliams1131]

That's what I'm saying.

[@lmaoqasim]

You see I understand your view and the points you make but my only issue is, Insomniac Games *never* promised physics based realistic swinging therefor I cannot be upset at the arcade style mechanics. If they had promised realistic swinging and then didn't deliver, then yeah sure I'd be upset. But for what its worth, I think Insomniacs swinging mechanics are some of the best ever made in ANY traversal game. Another thing I wanna mention is Insomniac when presenting their first Spider-Man game back in 2017 did in fact say that they wanted their web-swinging to feel nonstop. As in nothing will stop your momentum. That's why there is seamless swinging to wallrun transitions and also why the game will help correct a mistake like if you were to hit a wall near the top, it would automatically adjust for you with an preset animation. Its to make you feel unstoppable while swinging and personally, I don't see anything wrong with that.

[@Jay-ph7ni]

I completely agree. The improvements made only add more complexity with players now able to take more ownership over how they want to swing, maximising style or speed or both and in a beautiful presentation of NY. I think this system is the best for the widest player base, with new and veterans being able to gain something from it. I grew up playing SM2 as a kid and absolutely adored swinging in that game and I feel that insomniac whilst aren’t completely physics based are building a system with nuances and complexity for expression without removing that heroic edge and feel for the casual or ‘arcade’ gamer to appreciate

[@radar4104]

What even is this argument, just cause it was their creative decision doesn't mean it was a good one, or shouldn't fall under criticism just cause they wanted it that way. Not to mention that they *did* say that they wanted the swinging to be physics based.

[@CarnerioTostado]

​@@radar4104they did say that, but the whole presentation where they said it was about why they didn't go with it and went with a more animation based system, which was much more successfull during playtesting.

[@abuabdullah9878]

“They didn’t promise anything interesting, so I wasn’t disappointed” Nice defence of the game.

[@radar4104]

@@CarnerioTostado I'm not talking about their presentations, I'm talking about this 3 minute video where they straight up market the game as having physics based swinging, which is just not true lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmjCpXaNmLupqdkfeature=shared&t=36 In the same video they also said that they wanted the system to have depth, which is also not true, they just wanted it to be accessible to the point of tedium. Boasting that they "perfected web swinging" by making it braindead is pretty absurd. And even if you ignore all of this, the argument that "they never said it'd have depth so it's ok" is wrong on so many levels

[@aidanshowers8366]

The thing is insomniacs spider man games aren’t trying to be overly punishing, they push the player through positive reinforcement. And this game gives you multiple options your supposed to use in succession of each other, not individually. It’s like using one of Dante’s moves in devil may cry to combo and complaining the combat is shallow, your not playing as intended.

[@kwk111]

I wouldn't call obvious auto-corrections bailing the player out positive reinforcement. Maybe game journalists with a backlog find it rewarding, but a better option in my opinion would be simple inputs that the player can easily use to pull off those maneuvers themselves. I've never played Devil May Cry, but if simply running into an enemy made Dante pull a kick-backflip bullet rain, I wouldn't find that positively reinforcing in the slightest.

[@NoCluYT]

@@kwk111 it's hard to call it an auto correction if you're mistakes can result in death or losing your swinging momentum.

[@lm_slayer1]

​@@kwk111 this argument is a double edged sword. Because dante wouldn't awkwardly stand in front of a demon messing up his combos lmao. Also, these animations completely halt your momentum, so you are punished. Severely. What is the point here exactly?

[@Robbinson98]

​@@kwk111considering that the recovery animations tend to cut your speed down, I'd say they're not really bailing you out.

[@kwk111]

@@Robbinson98 There's momentum and then there's flow. Speed is cool but it's not everything to me. I think the move itself is rather neat, but it doesn't feel tactile on the account of the automation. Just one well-timed button press to initiate the move would be enough to make it feel reasonably tactile while still keeping traversal accessible. The difference may sound insignificant, but small details like this can benefit immersion.

[@antonn.mp4]

Bro played on max swing assist and wondered why the swinging was playing itself and had less detailed physics 😭😭😭

[@Webofshadowsclips]

He literally showed the zero swing assist in the video..? and talked about it at length? also, i tried it on zero and it was a *challenge* to hit a wall or to hit the ground or take damage. this game really does play itself for you.

[@Jose-ci3oi]

@@Webofshadowsclipshe played on zero assist for one clip…

[@Null._]

@@Webofshadowsclipssure bud 🤥

[@Webofshadowsclips]

@@Null._ I swear I tried showing my friend. I said "watch this" and then proceeded to try intentionally messing up my swings and hit a wall for 5 minutes to show him the new damage feature and got nothing. I could be mistaken, but I don't think it's even possible to slam into a wall in this game. Am i wrong? And if you ask me that's far too handholdy for a *spider-man* game. Especially for a supposed "zero assist" feature. One that will still not even let you literally "swing" back and forth. Which should be the most basic benchmark of any spider-man game's swinging physics. Can you actually "swing" with them? 👀

[@kj_i_guess1079]

He's just bad at swinging with 0 swing assist is all, no hate towards the and a lot of their critiques can be disproven ​@@Webofshadowsclips

[@raymax_1071]

Basically, you want a "hardcore and realistic, just for real fans" game instead of a... superhero game.

[@blushed787]

ikr like just cause im a real fan doesnt mean i want to have my webs sling me into a wall

[@BarcodeGamez]

This is the craziest, disingenuous, and/or misunderstood take I’ve heard about Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man’s 2 swinging combined with the wing suit is the most advanced video game technology we’ve ever had! And it’s pretty incredible! If Spider-Man 2 didn’t do it for you I would highly suggest you stick with the OG Spider-Man 2. While I understand your gameplay desire of it all being 100% physics based this would never work in actual gameplay practicality when you are going at such high speeds with so many obstacles in the way. A game has to use game rules. And I think Insomniac’s traversal in Spider-Man 2 has done an incredible job at giving you control and not let you see too much those game rules. But if you look for them they will be there! I you can say that about any game.

[@hazelcrisp]

It's still piss easy with 0 swing assist. Doing maneuvers takes very little skill. The game hold your hand. And setting it to zero just makes it hold you hand less tight. There's no challenge or difficulty to raverse the game. It needs more depth. Low swinging is also ass too.

[@BlackJacked]

​@@hazelcrispJust because its easy doesn't mean the game holds your hand at all. Try doing those drone missions or chasing after a car, you still need to think about where you go

[@hazelcrisp]

@@BlackJacked I have done. And they were easy...

[@jaymessmoyer340]

​@@hazelcrispEasy to you. To some people that might be hard as hell to do, even with days of practice they still might struggle alot with the swinging on 0 swing assist. Not everybody is gonna be as good at the game as you. You do realize that right? People aren't God dang robots who can learn and master to do something in a matter of minutes. And everybody is gonna be different when It comes to skill at a game. Whether it be game combat. Traversal, puzzles, or anything else.

[@kimetsunoacademia3528]

You always talk about great swinging mechanics in older spidey games but i am just wondering on why you actively avoid Web of Shadows in this topic. Because it in my opinion has the most freedom in its web-slinging system, from the various moves it provides, to the absolute bonker speeds it allows you to reach to without any cap if you really get good in it.

[@TR58699]

And also, you can run along the ground while swinging, climb your webs while swinging, it had good web physics. That game is basically what you get if you blend all the good features of other spiderman games

[@kimetsunoacademia3528]

@@TR58699 yup Wall grind, 360°wall running, upward and downward wall sliding (which preserve momentum), wall zip 360° (increase, and also preserve momentum from a wall run), Wall slide jump (from either the edge of a building for maximum height, or while sliding to directly transition into a swing), wall holds (to quickly adjust directions while swinging into a wall without transitioning into a wall run, and it also preserves momentum of done in quick succession), web zip up (to quickly gain height), physics based swinging (carry momentum that continuously increases speed at mid section releases, and gives height accordingly during high section releases depending on speed and release timing), pole swinging (which also preserves momentum if done in quick succession), web climbing (which provides base max height without resorting to momentum), regular web zips (which are pretty useless in most situations but provide a smooth way to quickly scale over a building rooftop without resorting to manually walking off the edge). And all of this is button sensitive. Web of Shadows pretty much provides the spectacle and ease of use of Insomniac's swinging without sacrificing player control.

[@Bruzewane]

@@kimetsunoacademia3528you forgot how web of shadows webs don't attach to buildings half the time lol along with other physics breaking quirks that game never was the pinnacle of traversal, the only noteworthy thing it did was allow you to go extremely fast

[@kimetsunoacademia3528]

@@Bruzewane oh FK off with your webs attach to buildings bs. Half the time I barely even look, and I won't deny the game is janky, but its a goddamn 2008 early gen PS 3 game, cut it some slack, even the likes of Arkham asylum and Infamous have jank on a similar level to web of shadows, but people don't use that as a complaint to detract from their overall enjoyment do they? You can't just disregard superior gameplay mechanics just because it does not "attach to buildings". I am sick of this bs, argument.

[@aminulhussain2277]

​@@Bruzewane While the webs don't always attatch to buildings they do attatch to something, the swinging is still physics based.

[@ItzApotato5907]

Bro this man just said that swing assist off doesn’t make swinging harder and then showed clips of him swinging in swing assist 10 and still going slow af This guy says that he wants a challenge and Mf cant even swing fast even while swing assist is turned on And then proceeds to say that u can legit go through the entire map while just holding forward and does it while swing assist is on like wtf He did make some good points but most of the video was just complete nonsense

[@francisdrake5322]

Dont let bro cook anymore pls💀

[@burritobowl0190]

found the braindead colin fanboy 🤡🤡🤡

[@sandro6479]

Last year, I didn’t buy the game because of this video. I just bought it last week, and boy, it was SPECTACULAR. I realized that this video doesn’t really highlight the challenges of 0 swing assists and reviewing without playing the game as intended.

[@ashtalkes6745]

3 things 1.Turn off swing assist 2. Actually get good at the game 3. Stop glizzy gargling Spiderman 2 PS2

[@hazelcrisp]

It's still piss easy with 0 swing assist. Doing maneuvers takes very little skill. The game hold your hand. And setting it to zero just makes it hold you hand less tight. There's no challenge or difficulty to raverse the game. It needs more depth. Low swinging is also ass too.

[@emancules]

@@hazelcrispthis gotta be bro’s alt account cause this guy is another professional yapper

[@hazelcrisp]

@emmanuelakalusi3690 Cus the game isn't that great. I guess people have low standards and easily pleased by a system that looks good but not complex or depth

[@headshotmaster138]

@@hazelcrisp It's that regency bias.

[@A.H.goose1]

⁠@@hazelcrisp Straight up lie. If you just press R2 and forward you’ll either go into a building or hit the ground. He literally kept swing assist on in this video because his point doesn’t work without it 😂

[@bsn0730]

The web passing through buildings legitimately pissed me off. I was trying to swing my way up around a building and wondering why I wasn't gaining any speed around corners and looked up to see my web just going through the building... I was like, oh come on!

[@amadeusk525]

I had the exact same experience in the first game. It's, frankly, embarrassing

[@thedarkroom6416]

@@amadeusk525if this was in the game all your web tethers would break

[@thedarkroom6416]

If this was in the game it would break your web tehers

[@bsn0730]

@@thedarkroom6416 it should create a new tether on the corner which would make the line shorter and increase your speed. I'm pretty sure it did that on ps2 because I think I remember using that to quickly make my way up a skyscraper.

[@Lahiss]

@@bsn0730 That's exactly how PS2 Spider-man 2 works, as showcased in this video too. Corner with web and it attaches new tether to the corner and adjusts the swing speed and arc accordingly.

[@DonDeLem]

I don't like how you're not allowed to hold your web, but I can't agree with the "It doesn't make me feel like Spider-Man." User input is important. You don't swing without touching R2 and you don't jump out of your swing *effectively* if you don't time X at the appropriate time. Sure, you can just hold forward and R2 the entire time, but that is not the intended method you're supposed to do, and you're certainly not gonna be moving pretty fast if you continue to do that. That's where skill gap comes in. They gotta make the game playable for those who like Spider-Man but aren't exactly gamers. As for the swinging forcing you to go in a certain direction, that is physics-based and realistic. It's even more prominent with Swing Assistance lowered because when you swing from something, you are not supposed to be able to go all the way to the left when you've shot a web to a building on your right. The wall-running is absolutely shit tho.

[@FeliciaHardy]

Exactly, just because you can do something that makes the game hold your hand the entire time doesn't mean you should or have to. A lot of people have brought up the web wings and wind tunnels but the only problem is you aren't forced to use them to get everywhere, saying that they're faster than web swinging doesn't mean much when there's instant fast travel. I didn't use the wind tunnels really at all to get around the map and it's because you're supposed to enjoy the game and web swing but if you wanna get somewhere faster you can, nobody's gonna use it to get from one end of the map to the other unless it's just to say you can do that, if you wanna get from one end of the map to the other really fast you wouldn't swing or use the wind tunnels since there's instant fast travel. What I did and a lot of people I know or have seen play the game use them together without the tunnels, they do need to improve some things but nobody plays the game like how he says, nobody holds R2 the entire time, and nobody I've seen uses the web wings to fly everywhere. If you're a lower skill player it can be useful to get to places faster but most players won't actually use them like that I don't think especially as someone who's completed the game twice and didn't use them once in that way (pardon my awful use of periods and commas I'm way too tired to be typing)

[@wolfkane1986]

True,most of the time when swinging i touch the road its like when i press r2 he reacts to slow and when i go between buildings i most of the time i end up on a wall.

[@calebstevens9446]

The second half of your comment is confusing. He said he didn’t have a problem with this per say, it was that it was animation based. So not only are you not allowed to make a mistake, your mistakes can feel janky and awkward with animations starting and stopping improperly, and once again takes control away from the player. I’m not the one flipping around this corner, matter fact I’m still pressing the same buttons I’m using to swing so why is this happening? I think that’s the main point there.

[@nishikantpanda8211]

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand? No one is asking Insomniac to take away your movement system of choice. All we are asking is to add another movement system of our choice. That way everyone can be happy. Instead they just keep introducing new playable characters and now have to dedicate time and effort in creating new animations for their part of the gameplay. Like WTF?? First they introduced Miles. Who has his own animations for his own game and some new animations for this new game. And now they are introducing another spider character Cindy. Who, obviously, is going to have her own animations with her own gimmick and on top of that Miles and Peter will have new ones too. And the slow walking Life is Strange, MJ and Haley sections will make a comeback for sure since the creative director said on an interview he doesn't give a shit. Which would require their own set of programming and their own set of animations. So why are they, instead of solidifying the core gameplay mechanics of their franchise keep on diluting it with as many characters as they can. Even when the Arkham devs added new characters they were smart enough to restrict them only to the challenge sections so that they don't have to put extra effort into making them fun to play as in the free roam. The only exception was Catwoman and she felt like shit to play. They kept on improving on the core gameplay mechanics of Batman and look how it ended. Even if you don't like the tank sections in Arkham Knight, you cannot deny that it was leagues above Asylum and City with its gameplay mechanics and how every mechanics flowed from one thing to another so smoothly.

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

@@nishikantpanda8211 Maybe you should just get good at using the existing mechanics in an interesting way instead of just holding R2 like a 5 year old

[@supgent]

The fact he even lies about first game to prove his argument is truly amazing.

[@jingleballs9935]

Where?

[@Webofshadowsclips]

Where?

[@thoroffdagoop]

Where?

[@necrago]

Where?

[@theREAL_xarooo]

Ain’t no way Blud was yapping for 21 minutes and 57 second.

[@ipool20]

you showed off absolutely brain dead gameplay of you swinging through the city and said the game does not have an advance swinging system

[@arxci9402]

Complaining about the wingsuit is the most moronic bullshot ever. YOU are the player. If YOU choose not to fly through the entire map, then thays YOUR decision. It does not force you to use it. It adds so many cool possibilities when navigating the map.

[@hurrikanestudios5992]

You know what is also so ironic. Majority of people that make all these complaints do not have the skill/ability to create a better game. ANYONE can provide feedback/complaints...............you want a better game? Then MAKE A BETTER GAME; so we can complain about how your game falls short in different aspects.

[@crissdace8358]

I happy yall aint the devs because some of these ideas are horrendous

[@thabreez456]

They should motion sickness and Peter puking after every swing in the next game to truly make you “feel like spiderman”

[@keelanbarron928]

You know, maybe you could actually prove your point if you didn't have swing assist on. (Also doesn't help that your swinging is terrible even though you said that it "does the swinging for you")

[@totallyVoxel]

So I'm gonna start by pointing out the few things in this video I agree with, just to start on a positive note: I agree that the wallcrawling is very flawed, it doesnt work that well outside of the main story, its very buggy and definitely needs a lot more attention. I also agree that the webs themselves clipping through buildings does look odd, trying to stay in place while on a web is also disappointingly buggy. Now for why I don't like this video: Most of your criticisms in this video are focused on web swinging with swing assist on, which I would understand if this were spiderman 1, but now that swing assist is a toggleable option, everything you said against the web assisted swinging is irrelevant, because the game lets you CHOOSE whether or not to use those mechanics, so the people that enjoy the easy web swinging can use it, if you don't like the swing assist then dont use it. This also invalidates your argument about just being able to hold r2 and go through the whole map, because turning off swing assist essentially makes that impossible, since you actually have to steer where you're swinging. Now, about the wingsuit, you talk a lot about how it "makes swinging completely irrelevant", which even though the wind tunnels do make the wingsuit faster than swinging, is completely untrue. Sure, the wingsuit will be faster than swinging in certain conditions, but this observation is completely ignoring the fact that using swinging AND webwings in tandem is significantly faster than using only one of the two, the webwings aren't just an alternate mode of transportation, its a tool to unlock speeds you wouldnt get overwise, which is exactly how they should be implemented. Also, in your speed comparison showing web swinging and webwings side by side, you clearly are using miles's venom abilities, which kinda ruins your point about webwings being too OP if you cant even fly with them without using other mechanics, which OH MAN, WHAT A SHOCKER!! Its exactly what the game wants you to do! It doesnt want you to just choose one and run with it, it WANTS you to use everything you have together, thats what makes insomniacs web swinging challenging, its not about fighting physics to keep yourself moving forward, its about using everything you have to not only maximize your speed, but to look sick as hell while doing it. The game uses animations in its webswinging to make each movement look smooth, and flow nicely into the next, so that swinging feels AND looks cool, so yeah, the game DOES want you to look like spiderman more than it wants you to FEEL like spiderman, but even then, it still does a great job at making you feel like spiderman, just tweaked a bit to make people like you who swing like an NPC not suck too bad! Though, if you REALLY want that insane physics nonsense you endlessly hunt for, then play 2004 spiderman. Also, I want to mention that the physics engine you mentioned, euphoria, cannot be used by insomniac for legal reasons, though I may be wrong about this. Edit: I dunno why I went off so hard on this, it really isn't that serious 💀

[@FeliciaHardy]

You said everything I was thinking but my haven't slept in over 24 hours brain couldn't put properly into words so thank you, it's unfair to compare completely different games when they both have different approaches to web swinging. You can prefer one or the other but imo they all have things that make them fun and unique and none of them are better than the other (except for that avengers game Spider-Man web swinging that came out a few years ago that is an abomination and should be destroyed)

[@wdp1a73r]

I agree with what your saying, as a spiderman fan my self I went and 100% completed ps4 spider 1 twice for the platinum and I still found it fun to play, even with the animation snapping and swing assists, because I couldn't care less when I was immersed in the world. I felt like spiderman, because I was spiderman in the moment. honestly this video seems to be the weakest one Dark Space has made so far.

[@totallyVoxel]

@@FeliciaHardy nah even avengers has swing mechanics that uhh... Its uhhh.... Nah yeah thats completely valid.

[@daily6633]

Fanboy. Did you even watch the video?

[@daily6633]

Have fun with Superman simulator!

[@Dogbrainsyndrome]

My nigga wants to do math and play spider man at the same time

[@sovietraccoon6007]

A reminder that insomniac made sunset overdrive a game where its movement mechanics encouraged the player to get better and build a combo meter like a tony hawk game

[@DirtyDev]

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[@X-EN7171]

TF are you on about

[@DatPRGuy2017]

Yeah but that game didn't do too well compared to other Insomniac titles despite the great reviews. It's only been recently that it got a cult following due to Insomniac reusing the engine for Spider-Man

[@thedarkroom6416]

@@DirtyDevlol how

[@Im.myfuture]

@diamond_dogsThat’s what settings and lower difficulties levels are for.

[@Thonato420]

The only things I agree with this video is not being able to do flips with the wingsuit, and some small stuff being automated overall, the dodge button and tether swing kinda saves this game's traversal system on top of new tricks, slingshot, loop de loop (No, you don't HAVE to dive to do loops, just be faster), that one glitch where you can fly across the map (with no loading screens),no invisible walls in the map

[@werewolvzombi]

Some of the complains you made wouldn't occur if you turned off the swing assist though? I understand the intention of this video but some complaints felt like unnecessary nitpicking. Also, catering towards casual fans makes sense since, you know, it's a Spider-Man game.

[@keelanbarron928]

Counter-argument: These games are not made for the experts who practice these things over and over. They're made for the most casual of casuals who want to play a spider-man game and look cool. Did previous games do swinging better? Probably, but that was them putting extra effort into it that most people playing it aren't going to care about. (For example, do the webs need to stick to buildings? Not really. But the games that do are because the developers put extra effort that wasn't necessary into doing that.) You may think it's broken, but these games were not made for people like you. It's working as intended. Edit: I just want to clarify that it would be nice if insomniac added this stuff in, but it's not a requirement. Saying that it's a "problem" is ignoring the point of these games, which is to both appeal to a super wide audience and to make casuals look cool. You may not like it, but it's the truth. (Also about trayarch spider-man 2, the reason why that game has a lot of swinging features is because it was the first of it's kind so they put a lot of extra effort into it. Expecting that for every game is just going to leave you disappointed in everything spider-man.)

[@david_ce]

Did you even watch the video? It doesn’t take an expert to want to express movement and experience being Spider-Man BY YOURSELF. If games like apex thought like you did there wouldn’t be movement techniques or they would remove them all

[@metalrex2480]

So you say that a sequel to a well acclaimed game of a really big company, didn’t put the effort to upgrade the gameplay to make sure that casual and expert can play with the same enjoyment (a problem who was already in the first one) because that would need to much work… im not sure i agree with this one

[@keelanbarron928]

@metalrex2480 I'm talking about spider-man games in general. To use as an example: Do the webs need to be attached to the buildings? Not really, but insomniac and the trayarch decided to put extra effort into it because to them, they felt it was necessary.

[@keelanbarron928]

@@david_ce ........what the hell are you even talking about? Nothing you said has any relevance to what I'm talking about.

[@dolphin-studio]

Argument is not really solid, what he means is that you can increase the range to include both casual and pro players, casual players praised the complexity yet natural feel of OG Spiderman 2, the ability to have almost anything you want to do whether you use it or not is what makes the game amazing.

[@ThisIsGlitch]

you seem a bit misinformed on some matters in play here...

[@Ty-xb7dj]

Bruh at 11:42 you are CLEARLY holding R2 and running up the wall stop complaining blud😐

[@vulcanrampage4015]

That happens in both Peter and Miles games when you flying towards the wall and press R2, they would automatically wall-running. Overall his criticisms towards the game is nothing more than just a misleading complaints and nitpicking lol

[@StuartLugsden]

This is what I like about Dark Space. He not a "hater" he's not a toxic arsehole, he's not a guy who complains for the sake of it and he's not someone who says everything is perfect and theres no need for change. He’s a guy who finds real flaws in things and gives constructive criticism through well narrated, well edited videos like these. I don’t agree with him on everything but that doesn't matter. + I like that he's branched out.

[@sleepdeprived1812]

Real wish more people were honest and respectful like him

[@StuartLugsden]

@@sleepdeprived1812Yeah I don’t get how anyone can say “This is just whining and nitpicking”. They clearly didn’t watch the video and think 2004 was yesterday.

[@sleepdeprived1812]

@@StuartLugsden 100 percent agree

[@BiggieJ4224]

Exactly, and honestly Spider-Man D-riders have been getting on my nerves, I’ve seen people like colinswrld attack SOME channels that have been perfectly constructive and not toxic at all, purely because they find a flaw in his precious game. If I’m going to be honest, I have no hope for the third game, insomniac, and the fans whatsoever. I’d rather accept that, then have to deal with the casual fan base that quite honestly just lack comprehension skills, so they shoot down any honest thinking

[@newdraftanimations]

That's true, and as a player who played both, everything he said is justified and correct here. I have a PS2 and find myself having more satisfaction in playing with the old one because it has depth, you feel like you're improving as a player and because of that, so is Spider-Man. Insomniac are wizards, but not in every regard, nobody is perfect at the end of the day and for a gamer who likes to earn everything and not having things gifted to him just for accessibility, this ain't it.

[@agermann00b52]

This video is the definition of people will find anything to complain about

[@skywalkaias7809]

you describe it as a more arcade game then cry when it's not pushing full realism

[@ayobruh_5]

7:54 NAHH ITS NOT JUST LIKE YOU'RE MOVING THE ANALOG STICK, WHICH MAKES YOU MOVE no no no never let bro cook💀

[@calebmcclure3893]

????? he's right though? in the OG spider-man 2 on ps2, you can't just hold R2 and have spider-man infinitely thwip new web strands and release when he reaches the peak of the swing. you have to manually release from the web and then manual shoot another web, requiring more player engagement. Whereas in insomniacs spider-man all you have to do is hold R2 and push the left stick forward and spider-man will literally do EVERYTHING automatically (spin new webs, let go at the peak of the swing, spin another web, automatically begin wall running when he hits a building, automatically jump off the building when he gets to the edge, spin another web line to a building... etc)

[@Mad.v2]

Insomniac likes fun more than realism. And i think it kinda works. In the first titles you couldnt disable swing assist or didnt even have the option. With Spider-Man 2 you can disable or decrease swing assist to add more real life-like momentum build up and other stuff to make for a more challenging swinging experience. It works beautifully in my opinion, because new players can pick up the game without issue and experienced players can still enjoy a more challenging swinging.

[@xtrwq]

The issue is where is the fun? It looks cool, especially in a video on KZbin but it's boring to play and uninteresting because there's no challenge.

[@whatsupssj]

The swinging accessibility should be pushed more, similar to a racing game, where you can make it more or less an arcade experience. Maybe even also similar to Marvel v Capcom easy button layout vs more complicated one. I kinda have an issue with the run and swing are tied together, which is the reason for some of his issues in the video

[@fernandowong371]

The lack of realism leads to a lack of fun imo.

[@lordvirusx1]

this man is yapping on a whole different level 💀

[@-JEZ123]

The Thing insomiac has to introduce is aim to swing feature. You see in games, spidey always shooting his web by raising his hand upwards, even if he is near ground or in mid air, but aim swing feature has to give that he can shoot webs to any buildings or object below him from mid-air. In games you first dive, by reaching the ground u shoot web which will give momentum, but if we dive first and then shoot web to the building we like to go, give momentum by gravity along with the web, as we can see in amazing spiderman where he shoots web to crain when he is going to oscorb. i think some one going to understand this comment. an d forgive my RIP english

[@Playaxhater]

Video games are supposed to be fun. Glad the swinging is how it is I’m not trying to sweat every swing LOL

[@Jamesonn404]

I agree with the parts of letting the player have more control over the web swinging and not doing everything for you, but I personally like this arcade style. At the same time, I don't want it to be so realistic to the point that is trying to implement it as a reality. Spider-Man games are supposed to be fictional, not web swinging similators.

[@sergiosarmiento4371]

You can't possibly mean that the breaking physics moments shown here make the game more fun. The video makes a comparison between the old spiderman 2 game, proving that you can have a sort of realistic game with actual physics and be tons of fun.

[@Jamesonn404]

@sergiosarmiento4371 There you go, that's subjective. How can you tell that the physics of the web of Spiderman 2 from 2004 is fun and immersive to EVERYONE? That seems more of a challenge to master something rather than feeling the sense of speed. This guy's argument is based on nostalgic bias and that pisses me off. This game's physics is enough to give you a fun challenge while playing and enjoying the story. Besides, you can have the enjoyment and feeling of being Spiderman here, but people in this video are asking for a realistic experience. Games are supposed to give you a fun time, not a 9 to 5 job of how to master a web swinging physics, but unfortunately this is the modern mindset. Anyways, a solution for this is just Insomniac give a choice to the player if they want advanced swinging physics or just the default ones.

[@sergiosarmiento4371]

@@Jamesonn404 but that's what the video is suggesting, he praises insomniac for giving the players the option to choose the difficulty but it wasn't enough, even the hardest of difficulties are still very flawed, and the main cause of it it's that the game doesn't really have a good physics engine to begin with.

[@Jamesonn404]

@@sergiosarmiento4371 alright, fair enough.

[@laug0]

@@sergiosarmiento4371 The difficulty choice is not meant to be a switch between "arcade swinging" and "real physics." They made the unilateral choice to lean the entire game towards arcade swinging for the sake of accessibility, immersion, and a fluid experience of the narrative. To the point that the inaccurate physics elements break immersion instead of enhancing it, tuning out the fact that your web clips through buildings is less immersion breaking than constantly halting the player because they didn't execute every input precisely to your high standards.

[@vulcanrampage4015]

Dude if I were you, I would play this game while turn off the swing assist if I don't want to be forced to release the web swing or preferred to have the swing mechanics more challenging just like the OG Spider-Man 2 game. Or maybe do a proper research next time before you even think about criticizing the game. And perhaps you shouldn't have to compare this game to that 19 years old game. There's a lot of shits that this game can do which the movie game couldn't do

[@flamingburitto]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE FIRST GAME! I'm an animator and we had to SO MANY physics assignments with pendulum physics and it DROVE ME NUTS to see the mistakes in this game especially when playing it.

[@AlonsoJoaquinComposer]

Man I feel you, I just began learning animation but I've been playing games since I was a kid and I've been doing parkour since 2010, now also do MMA so I understand movement pretty well if I may say so myself, and I just hate how weird animation is in most games, everything is so janky, unchallenging from a gameplay perspective and doesn't even look good to compensate. Assassins creed is the perfect example, it does give you a lot of "freedom" but ultimately lacks intertia and just looks like a bunch of mocap animations stitched together, it should be 100% physics based like GTA's Euphoria IMO. Either that or look cool and smooth as hell like the Prince of Persia games, specifically The Sands of Time, I know it's just relatively basic limited platforming but the animations are sooo crisp and look awesome, it will always be a classic

[@RaydenLGX]

@@AlonsoJoaquinComposer I was just about to mention Assassin's Creed and Prince of Persia :D I loved Prince of Persia a lot, but couldn't finish Assassin's Creed (2007) because I got bored by its traversal mechanics.

[@sibusiso2841]

​@@RaydenLGXac2 has a really good feeling parkour system. I played the series backwards so I went from syndicate to origins, odyssey, black flag. When i played AC 2, i found myself actually looking at the environment to find the best places to climb or keep a continuous flow of movement which was pleasantly surprising to find myself doing. Nowadays games play themselves

[@broomvroomguy5474]

This game isn’t trying to be a 1 to 1 recreation of real life physics, it’s trying to be fun and cinematic 🤦‍♂️

[@flamingburitto]

it fails at that too because the swinging feels stiff. 3d animation isnt about realism, most of animation is actually exaggeration.@@broomvroomguy5474

[@unknownidiot4001]

Every clip you played when swinging was you hitting something and loses momentum clearly not a review 🙄

[@TheMikey2207]

This video all feels like nitpicking tbh… We shouldn’t need a super insanely precise swinging mechanic in a casual single player Spider-Man game in 2023. People just want to have fun and enjoy themselves. The game works and is a critical success. Nobody really cares about any of these points.

[@paris5831]

This is a insane nit pick

[@broomvroomguy5474]

13:49 literally cutting away from the clip where you would have hit a wall and your point would have been disproven, what a clown.

[@morganf.1562]

Should have mention the "Prototype" wall running physics. Alex actually had inertia and could slide up and down on the walls.

[@riley5722]

Oh that's right I remember that, it's a good feeling. I can imagine Insomniac's Spider-Man version of that. Skidding and sliding along the sides of buildings.

[@Sea-Bird..]

This is just wrong... Everything you said about it not having real physics was right, but it does not do most of the work for you, unless you only hold down R2. But here's the thing, no one who's actually familiar with the system and has fun with it will ever just hold the trigger. If you're a casual player who's only here for the story, the game will do most of the work, but if you want something more, you absolutely get it. It's a safety net for sure, but it doesn't remove your freedom, expression or movement, and it does allow you to fail.

[@FeliciaHardy]

I agree 100% I could definitely use the web wings and wind tunnels but I never did, I swung most of the time I used the web wings to compliment the swinging and is it the perfect swinging system? No, is it fun? I and many people think so. I hope they improve some things later on but if you're actually playing the game you won't just hold a button or use the web wings the whole time

[@aolson1111]

"You're completely right, but criticizing the game is wrong."

[@FeliciaHardy]

@@aolson1111 I know this is supposed to be a joke but what? Read the first few words and wrote a comment. Also why does KZbin notify me when someone comments on a comment I commented on? I shall have to comment my frustrations about the comment section comment notifications about my comment

[@Young_Special]

0% Swing-Assist has good physics, tho.

[@Young_Special]

​@@aolson1111 You think Dark Space criticized CORRECTLY? What a joke... dude spoke nonsense. That can easily be countered.

[@Wakalaka]

Will insomniac listen to this video? probably not, since the core of the game isn’t based of a web swinging simulation

[@AmostheArtman]

Play Web of Shadows, like now. Its like a mix of Spider-Man 2 (2004) and Ultimate Spider-Man traversal. Very fast swinging, actual swinging physics, web climbing, web holding, web jumping, low swings/ground contact don't force you out of a web hold, 360 wall running, wall sliding, wall launching, wall cornering, great wall crawling, pole/beam swinging, summersault chaining, parkour animations, actual useful web zipping, jump charging and best of all no "safety zones" or forced animations. Everything you mentioned in this vid is practically in Web of shadows. Its not as complex as 2004 SM2 or as flashy as insomniac, but its got the tool sets for really fantastic web swinging.

[@fazelfarrokhi1998]

yes right thank you we need him to play

[@Forsakenruler]

Yeah no

[@ItzApotato5907]

Nah bro Web of shadows lacks any real momentum Sure u can go fast but it doesn’t feel like there is any weight And webs dont even attach to building half the time The guy in the video had one or two good points but most were complete nonsense This guy said that the swinging is too easy and automated while he was going not even half as fast as top speed while playing with swing assist at max lmfao I hate people like this

[@ridleylegassy]

So I like a bit of criticism, it’s always warranted. However a few of your points are repeated often. It’s not as egregious as you make it out to be, the swinging they’ve designed is heavily animation based. It looks right because it feels right. The movie game on PS2 is heavy, fun to swing in? Sure but it’s aged. Now I get it’s a good thing to talk about how “auto pilot” the swinging can get but in reality, who swings like that? Just holding one button the whole time. Everyone is doing something. The wings I will agree are the most auto pilot, put the controller down and you’d get somewhere. But as a whole the game engages the player and wants them to do something so they can look cool and then feel cool once they figure out harder things. I pretty much fully agree with what you said at the end. There should’ve been more however they didn’t do everything they should’ve since they wanna try to keep it from becoming over complicated for those with accessibility issues considering they catered a lot of new settings towards that.

[@PerkolatorTheTerminator]

“That game had ACTUAL physics” *shows clip of the most laughably busted PS2 physics possible lol. You’re not thinking about any of this practically. They have to allow the player to move through a MASSIVE map constantly rendering, so the less obstacles, the better. Also, while it may be fun to fuck around and break a physics system, from a quality, gameplay and artistic perspective, having the superhero move and act like a superhero instead of constantly fucking up slamming into walls is the better way to go. Sure they could have a “wall slamming active mode,” but as a default, this makes much more sense. Edit: It would be good for them to make it so, instead of clipping through the buildings, the web bent along side them, either bringing him into a wall run, or spinning him into a following web shot for a slight speed boost upon release though. 🤷‍♂️ 🕸

[@Zakietos]

Your version of "better" is sply a mindless fanservice shitfest game which is what this game is. To say that the physics in spiderman 2 2004 are broken is a testimony of how little you understand. "The less obstacles the better" im sorry but that's just idiotic. "Have webs coil instead of clipping" that would be a physics based system if te webs are real and not just animated as coiling around. If theyre animated that way but they dont get any shorter, then it's just more useless cosmetic crap to fool mindless players. This game fooled many into thinling that it has any actual physics, because i keep being told to turn off assist to "make it more rrealistic". What youre dewcribing is exactly the issue,you thimk a good game is a game that makes you look cool, this is what a good game is to a mindless player. To anyone who wants to do tje actual swinging, this game is boring as hell after like 4 traversals.

[@PerkolatorTheTerminator]

@@Zakietos Yawwwwn, you made the same dumb point in 5 paragraphs. Go play a Souls game for pointless difficultly. It's a fucking super hero power fantasy, Sherlock and if you can't see how blatantly broken those 04 physics are, your eyes are as bad as your spelling and reasoning.

[@BlackJacked]

​@@ZakietosMost boomers who hop on the dick of the older games really have nothing to say other than "the modern games suck!!11"

[@dutchoriginals6482]

Have you ever been positive about anything? This is by far the best movement system in gaming and you're STILL complaining?

[@BigChillenXD]

Treyarch really knew how to make us really *feel* like Spider-Man

[@MichaelM28]

No they didn't. No one comes close to Insomniac

[@DarenKajiWolf]

​@@MichaelM28Ok

[@StuartLugsden]

​ @MichaelM28 Your here as well?! I just can't escape you and your horrible takes can I?

[@igorbrandao6735]

Although the physics in the 2004 Spider-Man game were cool I think people just forget that it isn't nearly as fun to play compared to some Spider-Man games we got later (including the Insomniac ones). The game now is dated in several aspects and the swinging overall just feels stiffy to play even if you can do some cool things with the physics. Insomniac's SM games may not be the ones with fully physics-based swinging, but they are the best middle ground in terms of actual fun and style with some kind of realism.

[@UltimateSpiderMan]

@@igorbrandao6735 insomniac games have the weight, web of shadows has the control and angles, ultimate has web bending, spider man 2 and spider man 3 have the best wall running, tasm has webrush and spider man 3 has a quick webzip, all make perfect traversal if combined in my opinion.

[@infamousplayer8772]

You know you can just go play the old Spider-Man 2 instead of complaining about how much you suck at the new one and wishes it was more like that instead, would cost you a lot less.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

But it wouldn't make me as much.

[@infamousplayer8772]

@@DarkSpaceStudios it would make you look a lot less like a pretentious douche who acts like the only people who like this game's swinging are "casuals" and "kids" too, but hey, maybe that's just me.

[@guwopman3503]

Some other features I’d love to see with traversal: - When doing chase sequences, I wish you would have to utilize specific air tricks as dodges from bullets or attacks. Almost similar to the Martin Li subway station fight in the first game where you had to either jump to the side or ceiling to properly dodge. Tricks being used for practical reasons as well would be awesome to see. - We should be able to choose how much web we are letting out on the downswing. I want to be able to jump/swing from skyscrapers and keep reeling out web to get a massive downswing. I’m sure there’d need to be a limit to how much can be reeled out because in canon Spidey doesn’t have unlimited web fluid. The hope for this goes hand in hand with being able to climb back up on webs while swinging. It’d make swinging close to the ground more challenging if you didn’t want to hit the street you’d have to start climbing back up an appropriate amount of time before. - Id love to be able to choose which hand we shoot a web from while swinging. It’d give more control over which direction Spidey leans towards and would make tapering your way to your selected destination a lot prettier. - We should be able to shoot a web from a standing position without needing to jump first. He does it in plenty of cinematics and almost every single Spider-Man media. The huge leaps are fun but I don’t like starting swings off like that every single time.

[@calebmcclure3893]

Amazing Spider-Man 2 game had the feature where the left trigger controlled the left arm when swinging and the right trigger controlled the right arm when swinging

[@guwopman3503]

@@calebmcclure3893 I honestly think they could just utilize the d pad. Imagine this: while swinging (holding R2), if you press down on the d pad you reel out more web. If you press up on it, you climb back up your web (shortening its length). If you press and hold the left or right before pressing R2 it controls which hand he shoots the web from. All of that is easily implemented and entirely up to the player to utilize or not. Simply, if you don’t use the d pad controls, the web swinging is exactly the same. Let the game decide which hand shoots the web and let the web’s length be predetermined and unaltered. This works without redoing the entire framework they’ve built. I just wish they would consider more customization. It’s like tricks. You never have to use air tricks but they are fun and add to the experience. In this case, you’d never have to use the d pad controls. But if you choose to, it heightens the experience.

[@hopefullyanonymous3466]

Yes! Shoot a web from standing position is such a good idea

[@Young_Special]

1. (Catapult) - When running on the ground, if there's buildings or something high around, press (🔺️) for Spider-Man to shoot two webs to launch himself high up into the air to start swinging. 2. ( Directional Swinging ) While swinging, hold (❌️) and turn left or right for Spider-Man to switch between webs to swing on. This is the successor of the corner tether. 3. ( Air Dodge improved ) - Whenever you're about to perfect dodge from a bullet? Instead of Spider-Man shooting a web forward, he will do a cool flip to not mess up your speed and momentum. 4. ( Web- Climbing ) - While swinging, tap (🔺️) to make Spider-Man crawl up his web to avoid incoming obstacles. Respectively, these are logical mechanics that fit far more perfectly with insomniac's system. Btw, about the web-line reeling? Whenever you shoot a web-line in 0% swing assist? They are inconsistent enough to make low swinging challenging, so you'll hit the ground a couple of times. They only need web-climbing.

[@guwopman3503]

@@Young_Special I’ve always wanted to be able to climb up the web, but I’m specifically talking about instances where you are on massively tall buildings. Being able to continuously reel out web gives you more freedom at tall heights. At lower heights, it increases the difficulty of mastery. I’ve gone over ideas with my friends since making my initial comment and perhaps utilizing something on the d-pad could be how to grab the web. Imagine you have to shoot the web and instantly hit the d-pad to grab it at low levels, but you could wait to hit it at higher heights to have a bigger pendulum. This doesn’t get in the way of being able to climb up the web to correct a deep swing. I also wouldn’t want it to be the standard swinging controls. I think they could introduce an advanced swinging system that just utilizes unused buttons rather than redoing the entire system like I’ve seen some people suggest.

[@silverv1997]

This is like riding a bike with training wheels and then complaining about why you can't fall A little tip for ya: Turn. Off. Swing Assist.

[@calebmcclure3893]

21:00 Insomniac be like "tHe WeBs AtTaCh tO tHe BuiLdiNgS"

[@icarusgaming6269]

Swing assist also causes you to be pulled in the direction of the line instead of always going forward. It's in the name: Swing *steering* assist. Please include all of the relevant information The rivers are filled with boats for you to point launch from so you have some other moves to mix things up while crossing without relying on the wingsuit. In Assassin's Creed: Syndicate you can parkour access the Thames by jumping between *moving* ships like a game of 3D frogger. In Sunset Overdrive you have to do another move before you can surf again. This is a perfect example of how you approach these games with a closed mind. Rather than suggesting ways to make surfing more interesting, you criticize its existence because it wasn't in Spider-Man 2. Rather than suggesting ways to make what the game *is* better, you criticize it for not being something it's not trying to be. Your points would be much more palatable if they weren't presented from such a heavily nostalgic position You can hold trick while attached to a line to swing upside down, which was introduced in Spider-Man: Miles Morales. Please include all of the relevant information The following is the most important section from a reply to my comment on the last video. I hesitated to write a full critique at first until you prompted me to give feedback, so it was buried under a very short comment and you may have missed it. It's just as relevant to this video as it was to the previous because you still conflated the ideas here: Expression is the subjective player choice of optimizing your character's actions for the fantasy you're trying to achieve. At 19:21 you miss a button input, causing you to fly off the top of the wall and gain height in a direction where there is nothing to swing from. I would consider that a failure of expression, both because it wastes motion where you could have redirected it in a more productive way, but also because the flip over appeals to my personal interpretation of the Spider-Man fantasy and looks fucking awesome. For all I know you may have done this intentionally, considering running off the top of the wall more expressive. Failing to look cool or preserve momentum *is* irrevocably failure of expression. What you struggle with in regards to Insomniac's Spider-Man is delineating contextual player verbs from artificial safety nets. Because of this game's aggressive air control you can choose exactly when you'll perform recovery moves by visualizing the range of your pendulum in relation to upcoming obstacles and aiming for the one that will give the preferred outcome so you hit the corner at the just the right height or smack right into the fire escape so you get a different wallrun animation. That's not a mistake - I did it on purpose! This is what separates the skill floor of holding R2 and going that way from the skill ceiling of improvisationally charting your most expressive route through the level as each layout is presented to you

[@flaymadan5579]

Well said

[@Teamfortressjunkie]

You more or less typed out everything that popped up in my head.

[@noicoiner6151]

Thank you.

[@TempusVulpi]

This is everything I wanted to say.

[@ALMOSTNKKD]

Asking for 100% realistic physics in a game where you olay as a guy who can walk on walls is weird. I mean in real life infinite loop de loops arent possible because of gravity. I personally think parkour should be implemented into the swinging. I think it would really help Insomniac's system stand out by melding the two together.

[@beach9131]

Bro has a dark space in his brain.

[@iczev]

Those wind tunnel rings bring back flashbacks from a certain game

[@Ebakthecat]

My issue with your criticism (and it is legitimate criticism, I just don't see anything you mention as a 'problem') is "Yeah...but who tho?" "You do 100 loops in Spider-Man 2 if you wanted to." "Yeah...but why tho? You're not exactly traversing." The moment from 5:36 where you're just hanging from the web trying to go slowly over the building to show the anti-grav-like effect likewise has me thinking "yeah...but who would actually do that?" Like you I've been playing Spider-Man games far before Spider-Man 2 (2004) and I still think Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is a good iteration.

[@JustCyclaReal]

Bro the old games let us go to the Statue of Liberty and insomniac won’t let us go to it as it’s not a part of the playable area like bro the island is smaller than Astoria for example

[@ShaunBarlow-c3g]

Ur spending 90% of the video criticizing swinging on high swing-assist as if it shouldn’t be easy and hand holdy on those settings. Ur also describe it in an insulting way, like saying it’s easy for kids to pick it up. The setting is for impaired players, newer gamers, and people who just want simple traversal and it’s weird to describe it as if it’s for kids or bad players.

[@Juancho-05]

Tbh I don’t agree with most of it, I’m pretty happy with the current state of the swinging cause is not just only about swinging, it’s about keeping that momentum you get from the leaps, web zipping, wall running, power dashes, tricks, web wings, and of course, the swinging, still, I’d like it if they added a new completely different and realistic swinging mechanic, it’d be fun to learn it and try to perfect it like a souls game or doom eternal

[@1321-k6h]

Guy who wants player choice but doesn’t like the choice to use the wingsuit around the map

[@harakiseshou3572]

There‘s some things I agree and disagree with in this video. One thing I disagree with is your opinion on the wingsuit. You compared speed of wingsuit with the speed of swinging, but in your clip you were swinging by releasing your swings in height instead of releasing when being on the bottom of the swing. As you said releasing earlier will push your speed vertical distance while releasing later will push your horizontal height. I think by using this method you‘d eventually be as fast as with the wingsuit. Also I barely noticed anyone only use the wingsuit, I only see people mix between each other for more diversity or using the tunnels for height push, other than that they stay on swinging because it’s obviously more made more satisfying

[@Ivvelis]

im sorry man but i played the og spiderman 2 on the gamecube at age 6 and not a damn thought was between my eyes, and i was still decent at swinging.

[@joshuaveal7013]

This whole video contradicts itself strictly off of him showing only clips with Swing assist on. To sit here and say it’s not physics based and it holds your hand to much proves you have never played it without swing assist on. This is such a bad video lol.

[@pavonis1101]

Turn swing assist of zero for a challenge

[@fro_e]

I get what you're saying about how there's not much challenge and the wind tunnels breaking the game. But I think it's important to realise that most players won't exclusively use the wingsuit, even if it's technically better, they will switch between them because it feels better to play that way. And I think a lot of the challenge comes from trying to look cool whilst swinging. The game focuses a lot on style whilst swinging, and when the animations are this good, I can't really fault them for that.

[@garblol]

the amojunt of people who havent played the game and is just taking this shottily made video as their truth is crazy. this game's swinging is 100x more intricate and not to mention FUN! you dont lose creative control by a web you cant see unless you actively search for it going into a wall, and the game clearly does not play itself, evidenced by your OWN gameplay!

[@salmannader1762]

Come on man, you can not tell me there is no challenge or "figuring out where to swing" when turning off the swing assist, if you swing at the wrong building in the wrong height with the wrong amount of speed you will literally lose all momentum. While playing with swing assist off, I had to always look at where and when I would want to push the R2 button in order to maintain speed and gather more momentum, so you just can’t say that there is no challenge when it comes to swinging without the assist 🤦🏽

[@Owen-sx4jj]

I agree this was my highlight for the game which is sad because combat was literally the same. If I didn't change the assist I'd literally be playing the same game.

[@sortacoolmaybe]

pretty sure he did in fact acknowledge the swing assist mode, and called it a good step. maybe you missed that part at 12:15

[@salmannader1762]

@@sortacoolmaybeyeah I kinda get it but afterwards he argues that there is no challenge of navigating the city more realistically (his words) which I literally had the impression of doing my whole playthrough playing this game with now swing assist

[@CrimsonWolfStudios]

@@sortacoolmaybe My issue is that he made it sound like all the swing assist determined was the barrier with the ground existing, which is blatantly untrue

[@moglu837]

if you are brainless yes, figuring out where to swing could be challenging for you

[@Skywalker-lz5qj]

I agree with you but the wing suit argument i found kind of dumb. If you don't like the wind tunnels just don't use them thats what I do, I only use the updrafts. This game is a superhero power fantasy while I agree with you that I want to see more difficult traversal I doubt that's what the majority of players want and that's pretty important to consider. If it is the case the majority of players don't want more difficult web swinging insomniac making it harder despite what the majority wants it would be relatively idiotic

[@calebmcclure3893]

Everything he said about the wingsuit is not dumb. It’s absolutely facts. Spider-Man swings, he doesn’t fly. They shouldn’t have enabled Spider-Man to fly in this game , just glide

[@Skywalker-lz5qj]

@@calebmcclure3893 But i mean if you want to look at it like that he isn't flying he's still gliding he's just getting pushed by the wind. Listen i agree it 's stupid theres such highly pressurized pockets of wind constantly flowing through the city but he isn't flying and again just don't hit triangle when you're swinging Its a feature you don't need to interact with and if you don't use the web wings you wont see the annoying aI from the tunnels. How does it affect how you think is best to play the game when it's a system you are only forced to use 3 times in the story and can just actively ignore for the rest of the game?

[@AzazelTheFoxxo]

This video actively made me loose braincells

[@connorraleigh1122]

Damn it, it's not fair, i wanted to just strongly disagree and stop watching halfway through but dude just makes good points

[@calebmcclure3893]

He's spitting facts

[@whyamicold247]

Some guy just told me to leave, because he was offended on how I wish the game to be more, especially the web swinging part

[@rickydawg8152]

But why do u wanna strongly disagree? Insomniac isn’t some kind of saint or god, just look at the truth of things. No need to dickride them

[@dariannisch7511]

He doesnt

[@THEK1NGSCLAN]

@@dariannisch7511some points are more valid than others, like I had to turn the video off when he was discussing web wings bc it’s literally completely optional 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@CoffeePotGames]

This video is wrong. Turn off swing assist

[@elgusanito4971]

I feel like this a double edged thought. On one hand, yeah the swinging mechanics could be Miles better that what we have, with having more expression on the swinging and making it more satisfactory(and with Euphoria the animations might be better, but in its entirety). On the other hand, it would or could become insanely annoying and with way less style and less eye-catching substance(imagine swinging and then a random pole or small branch made you lose all that momentum out of nowhere). I personally think that some changes must be made, but it shouldn't be swinging in the SP2(Activision) way (at least not in its entirety)

[@semvision]

It should be just like Spiderman 2 from 2004. Why does that game have more advanced features and mechanics, despite being a rushed movie tie-in, than this large budget AAA release at $70. There is no justifying it.

[@YOEL_44]

That's where the optional helping festures should have a place. You want a more forgiving gameplay that tweaks your path to dodge small obstacles, that could be a toggle or a slidder, or you could even dedice what objects to auto-dodge and which ones you want to crash against. What is not ok is for them to decide when and where you swing, run or flight, that's just playing the game for you.

[@TheKanistan]

you lack imagination. making the swinging more skill-based doesn't have to cause any compromise in style (or, "eye-catching substance" as you put it). edit: insomniac claimed 7 years ago to be the studio to finally make the spider-man game that had been long overdue, and what have they done that entire time? insomniac chooses over and over again to prioritise flashy visuals over good game design. and these arguments about it being "harder" to make a good game these days, in a sense are true, because all the game dev leadership does these days is pump millions of dollars into making the graphics look good, and clearly not into hiring people with talent for making actual GAMEplay (imagine being a game director and deciding to pour so much money and man-power into the graphics that it literally restricts the player from moving faster than a certain speed due to hardware limitations, in a SPIDER-MAN GAME). really pathetic that we can't do better than a game from 20 years ago. and the fans of insomniac are so rabid that if you criticise them you just get called "someone who probably loves spider-man lotus" aka a racist. maybe if millions of rabid zoomers who aren't even old enough to know what fun gameplay is would stop brigading anyone who criticises insomniac, then they would actually hear valid cricitism and make their games better. but no, instead we get bryan intihar's stance that "we decided not to change the swinging because why fix something that isn't broken?"

[@Lameawsome]

@@semvisionmate you are living in the past, if you like the swinging in that game so much go play that and stop whinging cause I think most of the internet loves the game and 1% of spider-man fans hate it, the people hating MSM2 are prob the same people that love the lotus movie

[@dragonskinner7109]

No It shouldn't. I respect Spiderman 2 swinging but god fucking damn even if you were good at it it was slow af and not nearly as flashy as the one in Spiderman 2 ps5 @@semvision

[@bestgifttanada9139]

The fact that the previous Spider-Man Games got the wall crawlling right

[@NoCluYT]

wall crawling has generally been pretty bad on most spider-man games. The only aspects I liked was crawling around open doorways, edges, and corners in TASM games and the horizontal wall running while swinging in the current game. We still lack a game that has good wall crawling when going vertically, but I'll give credit to web of shadows for concept of fighting on walls. Albeit unrealistic, it's kind of cool

[@jshani3556]

Man said realistic and webswinging in the same sentence 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@thatsme9083]

I’m super thankful guys like him aren’t in charge of these games. His version of Spiderman web swinging will be so tedious. I will fast travel cause of how annoying it will be. & the majority of his complaints were also just weird like who wants to just hang on their web randomly or hang on a helicopter to go across the river. Every time he showed clips of Spiderman 2 (PS2) I was thankful Insominac didn’t go that route, it just looks lame

[@coleburdinsky]

Bros bad at the game and blames the devs. Lmao.

[@Geo-di7yf]

I don't think you guys get what Insomniac is going for. They playtest their games, a lot. They see that players don't want a complex and hard to master mechanic for the most part. People like us, who enjoy complex traversal are a minority, so they add fun stuff like loop de loops, swinging around corners or the no assist mode to keep us engaged, but they won't spend time and resources on a mechanic that most people won't enjoy. What they will spend resources on are cutscenes and epic moments, because that's what most people love about super heroes.

[@Young_Special]

1... you gotta understand that insomniac were rushed. So they couldn't deliver upon a lot of content they'd plan within the development process. 2... if they don't listen to hardcore fans? Calling us the minority? Why did they deliver 0% Swing-Assist? A settings that actually makes web-swinging feel physics based. Why did they include fall damage? Especially when it works coherently with web-swinging. Why did they add a Corner Tether mechanic? To make players strategically turn corners amazingly. Why did they gave us a canned animated loop de loop feature, instead of upgrading their physics engine to go 360°? Maybe becuase they were rushed. Why did they give us web wings? Maybe because it helps to cross over to Queens and Brooklyn... and to avoid close calls for strategic gameplay. You guys are absolute dumbasses to say that they don't listen to player feedback that come from hardcore players. To put it plainly? 10% Swing-Assist does not feel any different from the 2018 Spider-Man game. Yet... they started to make a change in web swinging fundamentals when they delivered 0% Swing-Assist??? You moda sucka's are unlogical and speak through unprofessional feelings. They may not have delivered upon EVERYTHING in Spider-Man 2. But i for sure now see insomniac potentially setting a bar that well set the stage for Spider-Man 3... where they will truly deliver a legendary web-swinging experience when they go all out. Spider-Man 2 was just them placing their footing on where to go next for the future. You'll understand soon enough.

[@hogindoz]

0 swing assist does more than make you able to hit the ground, the physics are much different. If you web a building far to the side, 0 will harshly pull you toward it where 10 will let you go forward still and do whatever you want. You might say that the game is "making you go where it wants you to" but thats how physics work. Later edit: Being able to release L3 and ride the wind tunnels only realy works because most dont have sharp turns. The ones next to EMF and Madison Square Garden will 100% shoot you out the sides if you dont actively steer with them.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

Yeah exactly, I’m not sure he realises that physics doesn’t mean “you can do whatever you want” it actually means quite the opposite. Ultra realistic physics are usually not fun in games. The original Spiderman 2 was not entirely physically accurate either.

[@AJ__525]

@@amysteriousviewer3772imo the original spider man 2 wasn’t *fun* either. it was clunky and a drag to learn, and even after getting better at it you still slam into shit all the time because of the building layouts

[@Owen-sx4jj]

@@AJ__525 you were allowed to shoot out to webs for a reason to drastically change your trajectory. If you were going straight go could shoot another web while still holding on to the first and then let go.

[@Young_Special]

Okay... after revisiting this video? I have now come to a conclusion that you made a pointless breakdown. 1. You were SPECIFICALLY talking about the 10% of Swing-Assist for your "critique." I don't care how it holds your hand at 10%... you shouldn't have even laid your EYES on that section anymore, but instead make a full blown CRITIQUE of 0% Swing-Assist and how they can improve it towards Spider-Man 3. From your last video? They've basically given you what you wanted at 0%! An advanced SWINGING option. At the moment? It's not quite there yet, becuase it still has that blatantly annoying handicap problem where the SYSTEM always tells the player when to let go. But 0% has delivered on some of the stuff that you've asked. For example: -more realistic physics taking control -being able to touch the ground -Delivering fall damage... hell, it even works while swinging - and faster speed and momentum You should've APPROACHED insomniac with the good things that have arrived with ( *0% Swing-Assist* ) first. After that, tell them the things that it hasn't achieved YET! For example... getting rid of that stupid handicap problem that always tells the player when to let go when they're at their highest arc while *"HOLDING"* R2. You should've nicely asked them in the video to get rid of that system in 0% Swing-Assist in Spider-Man 3, but make it EXCLUSIVE towards 10% Swing-Assist becuase that's where it freaking belongs. It doesn't take away their work, and delivers on what WE want. Instead, regarding the physics and good things of ( 0% Swing-Assist ), you blatantly started waffling up a long video about the problems of their 10% Swing Assist. *You know how unprofessional, ignorant, and stupid that crap was? You should've not talked about it at all if it's not your preferred playstyle.* You should've only focused your attention at 0%, dog. And as well, talking about mechanics that they could hopefully deliver in Spider-Man 3. For example: - Swing Boost - Directional Swinging - Dual Web-Swinging - Wall Zip - Upwards Zip - Wall Sliding (mechanic for wall running) -downwards wall running - Poll Swinging + Wall Bouncing (mechanics that'll work simultaneously on the same button). - Crawling Up The Web - A system that'll automatically make Spider-Man run across the ground when he swings -A system that'll automatically make Spider-Man *SLIDE* across the ground and walls upon impact (For Momentum and Speed reasons) -A System (for 0% Swing-Assist) that'll make Spider-Man run across the walls, while he holds on to his webs. - A System that'll physically bend the web-lines when they approach the corners of a building - And to improve the CORNER-TETHER mechanic to as well work forward. That type of stuff, sucka. Speaking upon 10% Swing-Assist, Web-Wings, and Water Sliding are completely irrelevant. You just sounded plain rude when it came to insomniac's work, instead of being logical on how to approach them as game developers. Freakin' ay, dog.

[@Giggitygoob]

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