This Old House | Tommy's Flair for Flares (S39 E9) | FULL EPISODE

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3 жыл бұрын

Kevin reviews the progress being made upstairs. Most of the new work is at the back of the house.
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In the master suite, it's almost time to tile the bathroom. Foam board is put on the walls and floor to receive the tiles with thinset. Tommy shows Kevin how he builds a shower bench made out of the same 2-inch and thinner foam board. Then they run electric radiant wire to heat the seat.
Our plumbing crew is installing new gas lines. Richard shows the plumbing apprentices the old-school way of cutting and connecting the steel pipes. Then he shows them how to use the latest clamping tool for a quick and safe connection.
The newly opened up crawl space gets sprayed with insulation.
On the first floor, Kevin finds Tommy teaching the apprentices how to install double hung replacement windows. Clad on the outside for no maintenance and primed on the inside for paint, these energy-efficient windows require a sponge balancing system to stay in place.
On the exterior, the architect calls for the second-floor shingles to flare at the transition where they meet the clapboards. Tommy shows Kevin and homeowner Joe how he makes a jig to achieve the flare.
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@jeancourteau3464
@jeancourteau3464 11 ай бұрын
Tom Silva deserves a Nobel in didactics. I know a lot of video editing goes into the program but Tom's presence and persona always shines through. Does he ever get impatient with himself or anybody? He's simply superhuman.
@GrahamDIY
@GrahamDIY 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a dad of a 17y year old daughter I’m glad to see a women there as an apprentice 👏👏👏👏
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
Me too! I'm always happy to see women in trades. I'm an aircraft mechanic myself and a 27 year old gal. It's nice to see ladies with these talents and interests!
@GrahamDIY
@GrahamDIY 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChibiPanda8888 excellent!! Good luck to you and to inspiring other women and young girls. We need many more of you 👏👏👏
@crashland5711
@crashland5711 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrahamDIY Women keep the country going during WW2, but some of these kids today, both male and female, have no work ethic when it comes to real work such as the trades.
@Pyth110
@Pyth110 2 жыл бұрын
@@crashland5711 ok boomer
@crashland5711
@crashland5711 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pyth110 did I hit a nerve little baby, you need a safe space little boy.
@jamesjoseph6568
@jamesjoseph6568 3 жыл бұрын
"Because it was cut square..." Shot @ 11:03 must be another pipe then.
@abdulelkhatib2674
@abdulelkhatib2674 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Richard made those apprentices drag that pipe threading machine all the way into the basement for one cut
@ritchiestanfield1847
@ritchiestanfield1847 Жыл бұрын
Tommy does a good job explaining to pupils. I wish I would've had a guy like that on the framing crew I was on
@greggcollette3136
@greggcollette3136 3 жыл бұрын
TOH crews do projects the right way. Great to see quality workmanship. True skilled labor.
@131dyana
@131dyana 3 жыл бұрын
Thank for putting this on you tube. I missed seeing these programs when I lost satellight tv. I used to watch this every week.
@SB-yy3uq
@SB-yy3uq 3 жыл бұрын
If you have a ruku, firestick or smart TV, they have an app you can download and watch the show directly. It plays 24/7.
@theedrstrangelove
@theedrstrangelove 3 жыл бұрын
All you need is an antenna.
@mikew1978
@mikew1978 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Austin Wilson
@dustincraig4944
@dustincraig4944 2 жыл бұрын
Homeowner: We're on a very tight budget Also Homeowner: I need a heated tile bench in my shower
@tyrealhsm
@tyrealhsm 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, those heater systems are super cheap. It's like a $300 system for the whole thing.
@jantsbenzproaudio
@jantsbenzproaudio 3 жыл бұрын
10:58 that's not a square cut!!
@Maggie-Gardener-Maker
@Maggie-Gardener-Maker 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this foam board will be great in a tiny house on wheels build, also in Schoolies, van conversions, and other such applications! Thanks for the tip!
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
That foam was pretty cool. Could be used for a whole lot of stuff!
@robsmith6281
@robsmith6281 3 жыл бұрын
Tommy insulted Kevin about hiS weight 😂😂
@newyorkerghazi
@newyorkerghazi 3 жыл бұрын
These guys are doing very good job, very informative videos easy to understand. Thanks Tommy and all the crews. All the way from Arabian desert
@fervill360
@fervill360 3 жыл бұрын
11:12 Mark the pipe with "special marker" AKA sharpie
@abdulelkhatib2674
@abdulelkhatib2674 3 жыл бұрын
11:14 "special marker" I though that was just a silver sharpie
@sdaniels7114
@sdaniels7114 3 ай бұрын
That gas pipe squeezer also means no oil all over the floor that would break the bond of almost any glued down finished flooring.
@greggoff4990
@greggoff4990 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll keep my pipe thread, you can have the special gaskets.
@swingerhead
@swingerhead 3 жыл бұрын
Why did he change glue on the shower bench from what he was attaching the foam to the floor to when he was attaching them to each other? It looked like he was using the Schluter glue then switched to Gorilla.
@apexracoon6595
@apexracoon6595 3 жыл бұрын
Its always funny when Tommy makes fun of Kevin's weight 🤣
@jjgossip
@jjgossip 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin is actually pretty hot! Total Dad Bod!
@lildemon8597
@lildemon8597 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjgossip ooooo99
@lildemon8597
@lildemon8597 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjgossip ⁹9th 9th 888
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjgossip he has always looked pretty good.
@Anakwad
@Anakwad 3 жыл бұрын
New carpenters! Awesome
@bbtank3000
@bbtank3000 3 жыл бұрын
@1:34 Looks like Kevin surprised Tom while he was playing with his tape measure.
@PoeCompany
@PoeCompany 3 жыл бұрын
lol nice find
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
That foam stuff was pretty cool, I thought. Could probably be used for other stuff too. (Even though it isn't quite designed for that...)
@SomeDudeQC
@SomeDudeQC 3 ай бұрын
No. Only candy, Ned.
@youngkim5909
@youngkim5909 3 жыл бұрын
4:24 Shouldn't the top of the seat be on top of the front? That way the front is supporting the seat.
@degenwow
@degenwow 2 жыл бұрын
it was thin board on front, legs were much thicker.
@bosse641
@bosse641 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice those windows.
@chump1018
@chump1018 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@genestarwind4610
@genestarwind4610 2 жыл бұрын
Why heated shower tile. No one turns the shower on inside You always let it run for a minute I rather heat the floor just outside the shower.
@lilaygebremedhin8348
@lilaygebremedhin8348 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Tomy and all your crews are amazing how expensive are you fox to get your quality job ?
@chump1018
@chump1018 3 жыл бұрын
Those window installs tho? Why would you ever want that system. 1/8" out of square would mess this up. Also no sill or top? It's still rough lumber on the top?
@pallen2980
@pallen2980 3 жыл бұрын
a heated shower floor? Isn't that what the hot water is for?
@MojoPup
@MojoPup 3 жыл бұрын
I stayed in a house during winter that had the heated shower floor. Gotta say, it was nice...feet didn't get cold like they do normally. During the cold winter months, I would place a washrag over the drain to allow a couple of inches of warm water to develop to keep my feet warm. So I get this idea.
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
I guess it's like underfloor heating. I mean, you could wear socks to keep your feet warm, but the underfloor heating is so much more convenient and nice.
@BradThePitts
@BradThePitts 3 жыл бұрын
It was only an extra $25 in materials to extend the heated floor to my shower floor. Keep in mind the heated floor also helps heat the ROOM.
@mr.wizeguy8995
@mr.wizeguy8995 3 жыл бұрын
Underfloor heating dries floor much faster which also reduces water damages for structures assuming waterproofing and everything else is done correctly.
@BradThePitts
@BradThePitts 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.wizeguy8995 Hmmm, never realized this. My heated shower floor has white grout and looks great, no mold or build-up.
@whocares0692
@whocares0692 3 жыл бұрын
Why were there two different types of sealant / glue when they secured the seat in the shower ?
@johngrossbohlin7582
@johngrossbohlin7582 3 жыл бұрын
The apprentice with the beard is channeling Norm Abram... In 40 years will he be retiring from TOH?
@borys444
@borys444 3 жыл бұрын
How soon until that O ring leaks on that gas pipe? 10 yrs?
@borys444
@borys444 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mp5of very true...
@GrahamDIY
@GrahamDIY 3 жыл бұрын
They don’t allow o-ring joints in the UK for gas. Solder or compression. And no plastic either. Just a quick update: I watched one of those “Property Brothers” once and they said a copper gas pipe running under a suspended floor was illegal because “someone would think it was a water pipe” and it had to be changed to a plastic pipe. I realise that gas pipes are now mostly plastic for the gas company distribution (we’ve just spent 12months having our road dug up so they could replace the metal main pipes in the road to yellow plastic). But to change a copper pipe in a house because “someone might think it was water and so cut in to it” did make me laugh
@BradThePitts
@BradThePitts 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Schluter foam shower pan - it sounds weird when you drop the soap!
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine it would.
@BradThePitts
@BradThePitts 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChibiPanda8888 Sounds hallow.
@oogrooq
@oogrooq 3 жыл бұрын
My neighbors have a lot of pipe dope.
@lapulla32
@lapulla32 3 жыл бұрын
HI, 4 month ago I bought a house that has the similar windows system "Sponge Balancing rails". I would like to know if their are easy to remove from the clips. I need to replace some of them that have the mechanism bad (doesn't hold the window up) and other windows require a bottom replacement (The Sill) and I need to remove the rail also. Thanks for your help.
@fvalencia3494
@fvalencia3494 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think i could have cut it any more square than that "Richard"
@edttt4491
@edttt4491 3 жыл бұрын
Who needs a heated seat in a shower 😂
@bosse641
@bosse641 3 жыл бұрын
and even the floor. ...just put some wood down on the floor and that makes it warm and cosy enough, imo.
@paristo
@paristo 3 жыл бұрын
Heated shower floor is great to dry things, like shoes or various canvas items like hats etc after washing them properly and placing in the templates to keep their shape. And it is a nice thing to step in warm shower room at the winter time when the very slight temperature difference doesn't exist.
@fadetounforgiven
@fadetounforgiven 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a nice idea but I would do it with typical radiant floor, meaning hot water, instead of electrical.
@paristo
@paristo 3 жыл бұрын
@@fadetounforgiven Electronic can be placed anywhere easily. Even nicely poured in a mud. But problem is that if you damage the wire in it, it is broken. So you take a risk while installing it that does it work after curing. But afterwards it takes very little electricity to heat quickly up, and no requirement to have extra water piping to leak. But if one has a central water heating, then it makes sense to run that floor heating through it as well.
@fadetounforgiven
@fadetounforgiven 3 жыл бұрын
@@paristo call me crazy but I'm not a big fan of using electricity where water could one day leak. Also, the piping for this would be quite easy, there would only be leaks if you are really uncareful when installing the pex or whatever it is. As to life expectancy, I think the resistence is probably shorter than the pipe most likely. I think water is a better option than electricity here.
@nufcedkidyup8627
@nufcedkidyup8627 5 ай бұрын
Here's your shower bench to waste a few thousand gallons of water.
@lrc87290
@lrc87290 3 жыл бұрын
Wedi for me!
@GrahamDIY
@GrahamDIY 3 жыл бұрын
That orange board is crazy expensive for what it is.
@GrahamDIY
@GrahamDIY 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin hey I’ve used it. It’s good stuff. But very expensive. For a homeowner who has more time, I’d recommend the roll of orange stuff.
@lrc87290
@lrc87290 3 жыл бұрын
Wedi got me.
@malikdigger4544
@malikdigger4544 3 жыл бұрын
Got any TOH videos about foam installation I want to do this with couple of buildings know needs it & about how to lesson about granite & marble kitchen countertops.
@tborg9173
@tborg9173 3 жыл бұрын
Why heat a shower floor?
@mr.wizeguy8995
@mr.wizeguy8995 3 жыл бұрын
To keep floor much drier which reduces change to structural failures also really warm to feet. And with underfloor heating you don't need any other heat source, no radiators on wall etc.
@randybourdon2791
@randybourdon2791 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if these new replacement windows will have screens.
@fvalencia3494
@fvalencia3494 3 жыл бұрын
I think Richard meant to say "Grunt Work" instead of Grudge Work. It must be tough to have the camera filming you and they are dialogue-free
@johnames6430
@johnames6430 2 жыл бұрын
11:27 not torque, just pressure
@alonzojohnson7955
@alonzojohnson7955 3 жыл бұрын
😎
@adrianstephens56
@adrianstephens56 3 жыл бұрын
Love the program. A side effect of your program is that I know more about replacing electrical panels in the US than I do in the UK, where the codes are completely different (e.g. wire nuts not allowed, single phase 240V), black or blue is Neutral, not "hot". The use of those nuclear-bomb-proof steel gas pipes is strange to me. I live in the UK, and the house gas piping is copper inch OD. Is there any reason, apart from inertia, to continue with steel?
@nc3826
@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын
PEX and PE gas lines can be used in the USA (when local codes allow it). Is there any reason, apart from inertia, to continue to use soft more dangerous, expensive and more time consuming, copper instead in the UK? Also UK banned dangerous ceramic wire nuts years ago... Is there any reason, apart from inertia, to continue not to allow modern wire nuts?
@adrianstephens56
@adrianstephens56 3 жыл бұрын
@@nc3826 The answer is, I don't know. But then I was asking the question of folks who might know, and hoping to get some kind of answer.
@nc3826
@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianstephens56I was asking different questions.... But the general answer is, 'inertia' is a universal constant... But if you want more details, "googling it" is the best way to get it... Good luck, with whatever you decide to do, mate...
@Muddymarry
@Muddymarry 3 жыл бұрын
Because the US guys live in the craftsmans stoneage. But they didn’t know... 😂
@nc3826
@nc3826 3 жыл бұрын
simpleminded troll without a life flmao
@dielauwen
@dielauwen 3 жыл бұрын
Tommy is it sealed?
@johnmelcon5976
@johnmelcon5976 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what brand/model those windows are?
@chump1018
@chump1018 3 жыл бұрын
The wrong kind
@hudsonhousejournal7063
@hudsonhousejournal7063 2 жыл бұрын
Marvin "snap pack"
@pshawhudson
@pshawhudson 3 жыл бұрын
Folks do we really spend enough time in the shower to need heated seats?. Seems a bit much. There's hot water in there already.
@Alexanderbuilds2001
@Alexanderbuilds2001 3 жыл бұрын
How does the foam hold the weight of the tile and grout?
@aknorth1053
@aknorth1053 3 жыл бұрын
The dense foam they are using is actually very strong in compression, take a look at SIPS structurally insulated panels
@prestonjennings9549
@prestonjennings9549 3 жыл бұрын
I've used kerdi board dozens of times. That stuff is seriously amazing and incredibly strong. There is no limit to what you can do with it. I've even used it to make a floating sink.
@mr.wizeguy8995
@mr.wizeguy8995 3 жыл бұрын
There are XPS foam boards that is stronger than basic concrete so i assume that you haven't ever seen that stuff.
@jamesw4912
@jamesw4912 3 жыл бұрын
What do you guys think. Should This Old House go to the White House in Washington DC and do some work on the most famous house in the United States ? James From Michigan
@jamesw4912
@jamesw4912 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mp5of Kevin ,Kevin ,Kevin Let's not put down the president of the United States of America the best president of our lifetime and has my vote on November 3 2020. Let's not go there. Leave Democrat and Republican out of this one. The subject were talking about is the White House. That would be nice to see this Old house do some work in the White House. James From Michigan The State that went red in 2016 and will stay red in 2020 and that something you can take to the bank.
@arsnova.9353
@arsnova.9353 3 жыл бұрын
Trump is known to often stiff contractors. They should pass.
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
That would be an interesting episode, that's for sure!
@timmc6009
@timmc6009 3 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm old school since I would not want that gasket compression gas piping system in my house. Some things are just worth doing the right way IMO.
@rubenm4476
@rubenm4476 3 жыл бұрын
We’ve been using this method in Europe for a long time and it’s so much easier and safer because is the same equal force 5t on a machine, instead of someone tightening it with a wrench, google ‘bonfix press’.
@voiceofraisin241
@voiceofraisin241 3 жыл бұрын
Did you see that guy strip the screw thread when the mounted the flare fixture to the house?
@johnturner2175
@johnturner2175 Жыл бұрын
Tommy a question couple buy’s say 110 year old house. They have a lot of work ahead of them. They are currently working on stairs from first fl to second fl. The stairwell from the second fl to the first floor has bannister protecting folks from falling in the hole down to the first floor. They are thinking of replacing the current railing with a glass surround to protect the hole. The current or original railing Was encapsulated in plywood when they removed the plywood they discovered spindles under the plywood. My question is do they or are they responsible to make the old banister and spindles safe. I can’t give you exact measurements however looking at the spindles they look far enough apart that a crawling infant could fit thru and fall to the first floor. The last issue is the height of the banister once again I’m not there so I can only say what I think based on what I see. The man removing the encapsulating plywood is will say 5 feet 9 inches. We can see him standing next to the banister and the top of the banister hardly reaches his crotch. My question is are they allowed to leave the current structure because it is grandfathered in or are they required by code to bring it up to todays standards.
@richieyeah
@richieyeah 3 жыл бұрын
I always like to see bailey She's turning into quite a craft's woman
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
Me too! I like to see women in trades.
@SomeDudeQC
@SomeDudeQC 3 ай бұрын
I wish my last name was Beers
@thepaulhenderson
@thepaulhenderson 3 жыл бұрын
I have a theory that when plumbers & bathroom designers create a darling little cubbyhole in the wall of a shower stall for a couple bottles of shampoo have never actually lived with a human woman, and her dozen or so bottles of shampoos, conditioners, soaps, and various lotions and emollients that will invariably liter the floor and corners of the shower stall or cover the top of that wonderful heated bench. Don't get me started on the equally elaborate collection of washcloths, scrubbies, sponges., etc. that all need a hook or hanger never planned for. And who wants a heated bench seat that has no secondary showerhead above it? These shower stalls are not realistic as to the way people actually live.
@theedrstrangelove
@theedrstrangelove 3 жыл бұрын
Nearly 600,000 homeless in the U.S. and people heat their shower floor?
@Pyth110
@Pyth110 2 жыл бұрын
My bad, I'll use that money and build some homeless person 2 walls and half of a roof
@89Ayten
@89Ayten 3 жыл бұрын
Homes are built as disposable as everything is these days.
@ChibiPanda8888
@ChibiPanda8888 3 жыл бұрын
.... unfortunately. Craftsmanship is disappearing.
@PoeCompany
@PoeCompany 3 жыл бұрын
who sits down on a bench when they shower? sounds unsanitary and more work to keep clean than taking a normal shower standing up, i like the small stool from the other bathroom as a foot rest though
@gladebrosi6587
@gladebrosi6587 3 жыл бұрын
I do because I’m handicapped from a massive foot injury and can’t stand while showering. It’s a bummer but I just clean up the bench after and I do stand for short periods. I think old people use benches too.
@kellymhanson
@kellymhanson 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the addition was for their older parents.
@patr3394
@patr3394 2 жыл бұрын
Wow building a House out of foam and pine wood, that house will not last 10 minutes on a windy day.
@RJLupin-zu9xv
@RJLupin-zu9xv 2 жыл бұрын
"Tommy's Flair for Flares": It's times like this that make me realize just how much the furry fandom has ruined me. :D
@Pyth110
@Pyth110 2 жыл бұрын
uh okay
@Alexanderbuilds2001
@Alexanderbuilds2001 3 жыл бұрын
The entire shower is made of foam. I just don’t understand how foam can support the weight of a human, tile, and grout?
@ClicketyClack
@ClicketyClack 3 жыл бұрын
It's a very strong, dense foam designed for this purpose. I've walked around a shower being constructed from this stuff and was surprised how solid it felt. The contrast between what you see and how it feels is surprising.
@michaeljoesting4888
@michaeljoesting4888 3 жыл бұрын
Just love how as they teach people how to waste their money by cutting corners all the time. That shower and those windows won’t last even 5 years. Foam is only supposed to be used as insulation. Where the caulking to keep the water out.
@ClicketyClack
@ClicketyClack 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljoesting4888 The product is Schluter Kerdi-Board, and it is specifically designed for building waterproof structural features with tile. It's not insulation.
@michaeljoesting4888
@michaeljoesting4888 3 жыл бұрын
@@ClicketyClack the inside is still foam which should never be used like that because over time it will fail causing more damage especially with the added heating system. I have built better and more water proof showers with out it. It’s for lazy people who don’t care about their work.
@ClicketyClack
@ClicketyClack 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljoesting4888 Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad that you are apparently far more knowledgeable than the engineers who designed this product for this specific task. I suggest you send Schluter a resume.
@bigcat9977
@bigcat9977 3 жыл бұрын
Electric wire under wet butts in wet enclosure... I don't think that's a good idea.
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
It does seem really weird they are using electric for that when they already have a hot water heating system anyway. Adding a few more feet of radiant tubing would be super simple.
@snicks50
@snicks50 3 жыл бұрын
ya sounds like a bad idea to me. But what do I know?
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mp5of "Hot water heating system" is a perfectly acceptable name. You just have a problem with reading comprehension due to inherent stupidity. To be more specific it's not just a heating system, it makes their DOMESTIC HOT WATER also.
@richieyeah
@richieyeah 3 жыл бұрын
ever been in an Asian hotel?
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
@@richieyeah Yeah...death traps. Made in china. They still haven't figured out what ground wires are for!
@farrahiswinning
@farrahiswinning 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. Do you love me? 😍💋 💝💖❤️
@alonzojohnson7955
@alonzojohnson7955 3 жыл бұрын
U
@jimbo2325
@jimbo2325 3 жыл бұрын
The blond window girl with the bad tattoo is very pretty.
@jorge31415927
@jorge31415927 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry .. I love this show .. but I hate that foam garbage in the bathroom ..
@user-qr6ep1rc4s
@user-qr6ep1rc4s Ай бұрын
This old house has gone to the all inclusive agenda and is not what it was before.Dont want to see,hear or waste my time watching Tommy or anyone teaching these under qualified people who will never stay in this trade!Put them behind the scenes and do that.Not an entertaining show anymore.
@mabdub
@mabdub 3 жыл бұрын
too many ads, bye
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