TIG Water Cooler Than I Used To Be!

Unexpected Christmas present! Arctic Chill water cooler for the tig torch.
Note: not a sponsored video. In fact I proceed to destroy my warranty with an... ON-DEMAND FAN MOD! wooo... ahem.. pardon me.
Water cooled tig torches -- who/what are they for?, sound measurements, temperature monitoring and control, etc. etc.
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Music: "Bluebird" -- E's Jammy Jams

[@bloogaming8827]

Just as tip from someone who used to be super obsessed with computer hardware: Fan brands make a huge difference. Arctic is pretty good, but if you really want quiet and long lasting, go for Noctua. Also, the bigger diameter the fan, the quieter it’s gonna be. Noctua sells a 200mm fan that has integrated anti-vibration pads as well as included cables, adapters, 4pin connector for PWM control, and loads of other extra bits and pieces.

[@jonasghafur4940]

just adding onto this if someone wants to try this: Op is 100% correct, but I’d urge you to spend the little more money for a noctua industrial series fan, they are just as good but a bit more rugged and therefore better fit for the Job imo

[@TesserId]

I'm definitely a _FAN_ of Noctua.

[@mxmang]

Also the p series are for a radiator the f is for general air movement. P series next time😊

[@PracticalEngineeringChannel]

I don't think "annually" means what you think it means...

[@AndrewFrink]

i had to go back and watch the video, i completely missed that joke the first time through.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

...and we didn't even get to the really hard stuff like what "biennially" means...!

[@lornie212]

However, you cannot be TOO careful........ just in case.

[@tommfuller]

Attila Asztalos I once looked up what "biweekly" means, because no one seems to know what a fortnight is anymore. Turns out it means "every two weeks" AND "twice a week". Useless word.

[@corythorp]

Is that not just poor usage? I thought the bi- prefix usually signified "every two", while the semi- prefix signified "twice per". I may be wrong though. It's been many a year since I was in school.

[@TheVergile]

petition to rename the channel to “This Old Tony 1000”

[@IRunOnE85]

forgot the dash man, not so cool

[@TheVergile]

@@IRunOnE85 always leave room for improvement. thats my-motto

[@circuitmonkey6653]

"Coolant change recommended annually, but I'll probably just do it the old fashioned way...."

[@fabuncian1386]

Circuit Monkey america expleeen

[@TDPEquinox]

@@fabuncian1386 Annually = Anally.

[@fabuncian1386]

TDPEquinox Productions i thank you.

[@shotgunsam23]

@spinthefastest lol

[@shotgunsam23]

One of his best jokes

[@J4nssent]

I cant believe i just watched a 30 minute video about a torch cooler... and enjoyed every second of it!

[@censusgary]

Tuur Janssen I did, too, and I don’t even have a TIG welder, and probably never will.

[@jaydotaylor2798]

i watched it expecting welding but no

[@grahammycakes123]

Amen, and have no idea how to weld besides what I’ve seen on this channel 😂

[@jschlesinger2]

I interviewed for a job at USA Weld. Jeff is a great guy. USA Weld is a small operation. Jeff works pretty hard with just a few other people to keep things going strong.

[@PaulsMechanics]

j s So you didn’t get the job?

[@CDinkle]

@@PaulsMechanics Probably not; the story would've been more like "I worked at USA Weld..."

[@downstream0114]

Decibels are logarithmic so one db higher is a fair bit louder. "In terms of subjective loudness, a 1 dB change yields just over a 7% change."

[@RFC-3514]

If you're interested in subjective loudness you don't use dB, you use phons, which take frequency (and human perception) into account.

[@secretninja35]

@@RFC-3514 I just bought a fan and it's listed in sones

[@RFC-3514]

@@secretninja35 - Same concept as phons (i.e., perceived loudness), and even defined by the same guy, except one scale is linear and the other is exponential (1 sone = 40 phons, and doubling the number of sones adds 10 phons).

[@PlinkyVR]

@@RFC-3514 so 1 sone is 40 phons and 2 Sones is 50 phons? Or 110 phons? Im the big confusion

[@RFC-3514]

@@PlinkyVR - 2 sones = 50 phons, 4 sones = 60 phons, etc..

[@logans1091]

Just gotta say, I really appreciate the "got it for free" disclosure. Good on you man

[@PriddyShiddy]

Tony, I watched all of your videos in order recently and rarely ever comment anywhere, but had to say: You make the best videos on KZbin. I watch all the normal DIY/CNC/machining/fab channels and love watching them but when that notification says "This Old Tony Posted..." I literally stop what I am doing, get a fresh cup of coffee, turn off the alarms on all the CNCs and close my door to watch. Most of the others are 'background noise' while I program, but the nuances and annotations require and deserve my full attention. Just amazing and entertaining videos. Thank you for the work, thought and incredible amount of time you spend making these!!

[@jimcatan703]

Brian Carmicheal there’s only 1 bell active for me, despite being subscribed to 100+ channels

[@JohanFroloff81]

Taxes-1000 Doesn't sound cool at all Tony.

[@ThisOldTony]

I laughed way too hard at that... touche', my friend, touche'!

[@garrettboyt409]

Johan Froloff I

[@superjugy]

But Taxinator-1000 does sound kind of cool

[@carneeki]

Rearrange the letters and TEXAS-1000 sounds pretty darn sweet though.

[@StanleyKubick1]

if it was at the end of your yearly fiscal report: taxes-1000 ...you wouldn't hate it

[@johnbrowne3518]

You could rewire it, so that you have one (or two) fans running continuously and the other two connected to the switching system. You could even set up an internal switch so you could switch the two pairs, so that one set isn't running all the time. Nice mod.

[@gamemeister27]

I want to clarify something about the warning of using automotive antifreeze. It's not that it can't work, or definitely will damage the cooler. It's that there are a lot of different formulations out there, some of which might damage it. Either HTP could spend millions of dollars exhaustively testing every single antifreeze on the market and produce a list of compatible ones, or instead say that if you put something unapproved and untested in there, it's not their fault if it breaks.

[@TesserId]

I definitely had that same thought.

[@mxmang]

Propylene glycol would be fine ;)

[@SE45CX]

It would be nice if products came with totally complete specifications like also the rubber materials for the O-rings. That way you can check for yourself the chemical compatibility with automotive coolant types.

[@philippe94416]

@@SE45CX what I fear is more about safety : water ions is way more conductive, glycol is not making it more conductive.

[@mikekeele1533]

My wife says i'm easily amused. Maybe watching a warrantee be voided confirms that.

[@DavoShed]

Can you actually void the warranty on a free thing? 😀

[@ClaudeSac]

@@DavoShed Why not?

[@DavoShed]

@@@ClaudeSac Well I suppose you are right. Although if you send it back they could say "Thank You, you can have your freeness back" 3 months since I watched this video I can't remember what part of the project was free :)

[@seanbhaney]

@@DavoShed Bwahahahaha!! I am appalled that this certain thread didn't get a lot more pooping your pants/p'ing yourself actions converted into verbal responses here!

[@ralphwaters8905]

Hey Tony, I agree with you about unnecessary shop noise, and wish my Everlast PowerTIG 255EXT shut off the fans between welds. However, I built my own cooler so this put me in charge of its noise. Aside from the usual carbonator pump, bypass regulator and motor shaft mods for the fan (same blade you have), I used a Sparkfun MicroView (Arduino compatible) microcontroller to manage it. It watches in/out temps & torch flow rate and turns off the motor when the torch is cool after welding. It also inhibits the foot switch command to the welder unless flow is OK. So far, I'm thrilled with it cuz my shop is quieter! I also had some uncommon chemical problems that were solved by outstanding support from StarBrite, the makers of Miller TIG coolant, so I'm a lifetime customer. By the way, I put an argon pressure switch in the command circuit so I "never" try to weld without gas coverage. I feel smarter already! Keep up the great work and even greater puns. You keep me ROFL

[@JDLarge]

Got me good when the water came back through that freshly drilled hole Tony geeze! Course I knew better, but still very funny and informative so thanks! There is no better way to learn than with humor😉 it’s proven.

[@JonnyGuns]

*Me thinking* "You're gonna hit the water tank with that drill. Yep! You....wait...you did that just to get us going.." lmao that's great.

[@Pedro-ke6xp]

Man I just bought a table-1000 and it's the coolest table ever

[@smoogles]

That water leak gag >_

[@dayyou]

I swear I laughed a little too hard at that.

[@backspacecows01]

funnee

[@possumwizard]

haha I actually gasped when that happened

[@BrilliantDesignOnline]

We were modding a Cessna 182 windshield and one was drilling between the door on the 'A' pillar...Looked exactly like the same thing :-), but for real, and 100LL aircraft fuel. Who would have thought the fuel line ran there from the wing to the engine? And of course, the boss comes out smoking his cigarette, "why does it smell like fuel in here? And what is this 10' puddle on the floor?"

[@Rhannmah]

I wish people would always timestamp whatever they're referring to, so here it is : 24:18

[@MrOzzyCam]

I just lost a hand thanks to your experiment of lighting my hands on fire. Thanks Old Tony for the lesson learnt. You are a great educator :D

[@Intellistan]

These videos are awesome. Unreal how well done they are. Informative, fun, easy to watch, entertaining.... gotta be some of the best stuff ever

[@FredMiller]

"doodie cycle" Thanks for the coffee spew!! Great video Tony!

[@SomeGuyInSandy]

Not ONE zip-tie. Color me impressed!

[@Novers]

Honestly with those fans it feels wrong seeing them not ziptied

[@bureaudebureau]

just some bailing wire. that's what people used before zip ties.

[@Ron_EZ]

This Old Tony, Very COOL! 😁 Just an FYI, every 3db of change either increases (doubles) or decreases (cuts in half) the volume you hear.

[@Barolax]

I came here with the intention of expressing a similar sentiment. 😁

[@Nomnivore7531]

I've always worked under the assumption that humans perceive a 6-10dB increase as being twice as loud

[@vwertix1662]

@@Nomnivore7531 i think the 3dB increase is a doubling in pressure

[@Bob5mith]

@@vwertix1662 3 dB is a doubling of SPL or signal amplitude. I think 6 dB more SPL and 10 dB line amplification is double perceived sound, or maybe the reverse. I've read 6 dB and 10 dB before and remember having an "Aha!" moment about why there were two different answers, but I'm not sure which was what.

[@friedmule5403]

Yes 3dB is 2x the volume but you have to go 10dB up for the human to hear it as 2x the volume.

[@waltschannel7465]

Love the sight gags in your videos. Wonderful cinematic work! Takes "talk to the hand" to a whole new level!

[@MattsAwesomeStuff]

Tony - I would have put the temperature sensor on the cold line. You shouldn't care how hot the hot is, only how cold the cold is. Suppose, for extremes, the cooler was sitting in an ice bath. Water going in might be 50'c, but water going out, and to the torch, is perhaps 15'c. That's fine, no need to turn on that fan. You only turn it on when the cool side can't be as cool as you want it to be anymore. Also, for minimum fan noise you want the largest blades possible. 4 small fans are far noisier than 1 large fan for the same air volume I believe. And, you could hook up a variable voltage to the fans so that they're nice and quiet (lower voltage = spin slower = quieter) until needed. Running a 12v fan at 9v makes it much quieter without being much weaker. Just my two cents. Interesting build.

[@JohnDoe-fk6id]

+1 to all of that. I would definitely use a larger, single fan. The only thing I would add to your comment is that there are temperature based fan controllers that automatically adjust the fan speed (PWM voltage) as necessary. I would use one of those, and either put the temp probe on the outlet of the radiator or on the cold side line. Putting it on the outlet side of the radiator assumes that the fan controller is always driving the fans at least at low speed.

[@kevinreardon2558]

I'm going to muse over that monitoring of hot vs. cool for a bit. I'm upgrading my CNC router to be water cooled and have not yet placed the temperature transducer. Originally I wanted to monitor how hot it got so I could react to that condition. But what would monitoring how cold it got do for my information gathering? Noodle, noodle... As far as fan size goes, I guess it depends on if it sits on your desk...wait a larger fan moving faster makes much more noise. They had that problem with fighters. The outer tips of the fan is where the noise happens. Then there is total surface area of the air moved. A single fan would have less useless surface area then four small fans, but we're back to that speed thing. Noodle, noodle...

[@animefreak5757]

in a setup like this I'd bet the temperature delta isn't that high, so it doesn't really matter where you place the sensor. It's safer putting it on the hot side because it will respond to heat building up faster. larger fans are generally quieter for a given air flow, significantly less wasted space.

[@kevinreardon2558]

Ya, larger cooling fans. But if you move to high speed fans, the tips can approach the speed of sound and you end up with that issue. The larger the fan, for a given speed, the faster that fan tip goes, and the more sound generated. But at these speeds, I don't think the sound curve is there.

[@charliepuch]

I agree, you want the sensor on the output line, or if possible just put it in the water reservoir. Typically those sensors are potted, and thus waterproof. The main goal is preventing the water going to the torch from being too hot. Also, great video!!!

[@Pow3llMorgan]

Wait.. If your welding hand is cybernetic and demonstrably can cool down stuff you touch, why do you need a water cooled torch?

[@fanwlkr]

I toght just the same thing, maybe he'll make a cybernetic hand D.I.Y. for us some day :D:D

[@fanwlkr]

Everyone who TIG welds needs a cybernetic hand XD

[@TimothyHall13]

He is left handed.

[@user-neo71665]

It's just so he doesn't have to sit on his left hand and make it numb to uh, um......

[@phuturephunk]

OH shi........

[@BruceWayne-sj6dd]

I was drunk when I heard the "BUT I DI-JEST " Joke. Laffed til I was sober 😂😂😂

[@cbryant987]

The rotating cooler pushing the 2.5 ⭐ review to the side was fantastic. I've seen all your videos countless times and find new things to enjoy every time I watch.

[@TheMixmastamike1000]

I’m a grown man and a little embarrassed to say the doodie cycle joke caught me off guard and is responsible for my first KZbin related spit take 😂

[@andrew74x]

I missed it. Where was it at so I don't waste another 30 mins..

[@melvinnening8982]

4:06

[@seanbhaney]

I caught that and LOL'd til I peed my pants.

[@pikerdm7466]

Just for future reference Noctua make the best fans for low noise high performance and reliability. the NF-F12's are basically the best PC fans on the market.

[@MrJizzy181]

But they are fucking ugly....

[@tynanroyhiggins]

Best fan, worst price.

[@Le_Petit_Lapin]

Who thought that 2 shades of turd brown was a good colour for a fan? Like yeah, they're in my case, sure, but I can still see the pastel poo fan blades spinning.

[@AnarchistAaron]

First thing I thought when I saw them arctics, they do more colours other than poo now too

[@emiltrresen5026]

@@MrJizzy181 Well at least they are making them black as well now ;)

[@DigitalN8v]

I ve been watching ur vids for a while now but, is it just me or when did ur sense of humor become so colorful...I enjoy all ur content serious or not..taking apart stuff is all I ever wanted to do in life. U are truly inspiring Tony.

[@justinrobin154]

Tony, I just found your channel and I can't get enough! The humor you add to the videos is priceless. You've got a new long time viewer!

[@djhaloeight]

I just found your channel the other day. Love the content, especially your smarrtassery and dry humor. Feckin’ brilliant buddy. Keep it up!

[@johnbiggs7620]

I knew it Tony is Santa Claus. They both sound the same and both have the same wedding ring 🤣

[@guttormurthorfinnsson8758]

ho ho ho

[@Jager-er4vc]

Videos are HILARIOUS, informative and fantastically edited. You’re AMAZING! Keep it up! Seriously, I look forward to any video you put out!

[@olivialambert4124]

So with fans bigger is always better. One big fan will push far more air far quieter than 4 small fans of a similar size. Always go as big as you can, giggity. The downsides being reliability, if one fan breaks you're looking at 75% cooling vs 0% cooling, and how uniform the airflow is which won't matter to pretty much anyone. Fan noise is mostly related to fan rotation speed, a 200mm fan might rotate at 300rpm vs a 100mm fan at 3000 rpm. That's the difference between putting your ear against it in a silent room and having a constant hum. If you can't change the size, more fans at a slower rotation is also a good way to go. My computer would have 8 fans, for example, all turning barely above their stall speed. That makes it absolutely silent in the dead of night with my ear against it. It also means when a fan died 2 years ago I've still not needed to get a new one and the sound is still very very quiet. Also quality makes a difference, mostly for noise. The airflow is less of a factor but there is a slight difference. Arctic fans are poor quality. The main difference is in bearing type. The bearings your fan has are sleeve bearings, very quiet at first but quickly rubs away the oil and becomes the noisiest. Ball bearings start off louder but are pretty consistent and are a great choice for anything but very light usage or regular replacements. Sleeve bearings are the cheapest. Fluid dynamic bearings (FDB) are the best of both worlds, using clever engineering to use an oil bearing but not lose effectiveness. Because the technique is patented it has a significant cost increase but they are my favourite. Non patent editions exist like rifle bearings but vary in performance usually just wanting the FDB market but with sleeve performance. Finally the fan shape makes a difference. Stepping away from the super intricate details and selling points, the important facet is the size of the blades vs the number. A higher number of small (thin) blades pushes a lot of air but can't handle pressure (restricted flow ie radiators). A lower number of large (wide) fan blades are less angled thus less flow but work far better for radiators. Large blades work with everything so are a safe bet, but if used correctly small blades can have double the flow (or more) for the same noise. A rule of thumb is larger blades for the way in to fight never-changed dust filters radiators and the intended overpressure, smaller blades on the way out as the air should be pressurised and already running out with nothing to resist it. Sometimes you'd want large blades for both like front and back of a radiator. Small blades for both is rarer. There you have the crash course in fans, more than you'd ever want to know.

[@roippi3985]

Bigger = quieter is true wisdom for equivalent voltage electric fans. You’ll get a lower RPM for a given voltage. For fans that share a motor shaft that’s doing other stuff, it’s less clear. Given sufficient torque, if he swapped out the stock fan on that motor for a bigger one it would actually be louder. When the RPMs stay constant, bigger = louder. (just adding some color on mechanically-driven fans)

[@Yomom12388]

It’s a year late, but might I suggest fans with mag-lev bearings in them. I grabbed some Corsair ones for my rig and they’re fucking amazing. Actually, Corsair might have a patent on that and I don’t know if anyone else makes them but still, they’re amazing.

[@olivialambert4124]

@@Yomom12388 Yea, I'm a little dated on fan technology to be honest. When I last looked the hydrodynamic bearings were the new hotness, and tons of companies were installing fakes to avoid paying on royalties. They didn't seem to understand the principle of them, though. Maglev in theory sounds perfect, but in reality the bearing noise is typically a very small part of the noise. The much worse is the fan shaping, turbulence, and the pressure wave interactions between fans and struts. Those get far worse with fan speed though so more and bigger is still always the solution.

[@olivialambert4124]

@@roippi3985 My argument is more for equal cooling requirements, bigger and more is quieter. After all the cooling requirements are the constant we cannot change. Fan voltage, RPM speeds, and everything of that nature is merely a consequence of cooling requirements and help understand the trend rather than a variable we are free to change.

[@olivialambert4124]

@UnknownPlayer I mean I work in physics so I didn't need a whole lot of research for it all. Its something I did a while back, it would have irritated me if I did it wrong. I'm glad it has helped people understand cooling more, it seems an area which isn't explored very well so a lot of people seem to be completely lost regarding the best strategies.

[@astermay5757]

This old tony i like your vids, very informative also very good for anxiety and stress relief keep on keeping on and longer vids/projects are welcome

[@vickilamb946]

"I don't want to end up with the music in me..." Emerson reference...." Most men live lives of quiet desperation and die with the music still in them."

[@evanbarnes9984]

I was wondering if that was a Stevie Wonder joke or something! Thanks for the reference

[@jamesa7506]

Well done, ma'am! A true statement, indeed.

[@tehrater480]

I think that was Thoreau

[@RFC-3514]

@@tehrater480 - Actually, it's neither, although it's frequently (mis)attributed to Thoreau (never saw it attributed to Emerson before). It's actually from Oliver Wendell Holmes' The Voiceless: _"Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them."_

[@RANDALLOLOGY]

I must say, your sense of humor is awesome. How you add subtle things in your description and explanations not to mention visual effects that makes these videos very enjoyable to watch.

[@PrimaSilica]

Thisoldtony made my eyes bulge for a second when I saw him drill the case and saw water come out. Jesus!

[@johannienel1]

Jesus is name of the Son of God....

[@mark675]

@@johannienel1 stop lying

[@terrytugwood7848]

@@johannienel1 well said

[@JK-sy3tt]

You are the BEST of all Tonys.

[@nixie2462]

Is there a Tony citadel in deep space? Can I be his morty?

[@hondacota4rt]

Tony-1000

[@jordanfuerst2352]

You mean the Tonyest Tony!

[@johnpossum556]

He's more Tony than Tony the Tiger!

[@TheColidei]

:-(

[@WhereWhatHuh]

Cool. I didn't know Hypertext Transfer Protocol could be used for cooling or welding. Wow. Virtually unreal. Now, about HTTPS:// ... Also, the Lambourghini dealer asked me to tell you that they're not sending you a car for Christmas... They're afraid you'll make it into a tractor.

[@blitzkriegpower]

WhereWhatHuh 😀 Lamborghini also build tractors

[@WhereWhatHuh]

Exactly.

[@josepherwin8709]

Lamborghini started out as a tractor company. They still build industrial equipment.

[@makinwaves8147]

Joseph Erwin 🤣 rich farmers scoff at John deer in their Lamborghini tractors

[@rangersmustang]

This channel is just something else! I really enjoy the work being done and the comedy that goes along with it. Keep up the good work! Just got yourself another subscriber!

[@untrust2033]

17:52 The PC fans with more blades are generally optimised for airflow rather than static pressure. IIRC, you want fans that are optimised for static pressure when pushing air into a heatsink or radiator.

[@gabrielschirmbeck400]

Yeah but I think the original fan also isn't really optimized for static pressure, because its completely loose inside the enclosure so it probably doesnt create much pressure. I think the radiator surface area makes up for that.....

[@Bllinker]

It depends on both the fan and the radiator. Sure, a normal cpu radiator needs a pressure-optimized fan because its fins are so close together. This radiator here doesn't really need that because the fins are what, 5-10 times further apart compared to a standard cpu cooler, maybe more. And you can take that even further, look at audio equipment and such with radiators that don't need a fan, their fins are often more than 1cm apart (and much thicker for some reason)

[@untrust2033]

@@Bllinker True.

[@teufelhunden222]

It’s a draw thru, not push through. Plus, did you see that heat exchanger? No pressure needed for that one lol.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

Oh, so we weren't good enough for you?!? You just *had* to go and *buy* yourself some fans...? ;)

[@EngineeringVignettes]

These new fans are quieter.

[@ThisOldTony]

I've got to get to a million SOMEHOW!

[@maximecomeau4577]

The "doodie" cycle is without a doubt one of your best, cracked me right up good job old Tony.

[@PaganWizard]

Being extremely new to the idea of learning how to weld, I will say that I never knew such a beast existed. Having seen this and having a rather lengthy computer tinkering background, I can tell you that this is not much more than a water cooling setup for a computer on steroids. I am relatively certain that one of these can be built from scratch, that would move water more efficiently, and quietly for a fraction of the price. The build that I would be referring to most likely would not work too well in most professional environments, but for the weekend warrior, like I am hoping to become, it would be more than adequate. But with this being gifted to you, you definitely can not beat the price of free. GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!

[@Stacyjtyler]

TOT I love your video's, no face and you bring idiocracy to its best. (Mistakes that I have made in the past could have been avoided with your guidance). You show all of the mistakes that you and I have made and how to combat them. Or your show all of them so that other people can learn from them. Thank you for your time and effort. Your are so awesome. I have been needing to make a tig torch cooler for my tig for so long. I don't wanna spend the money and have been using my watercooled tig torch for ever. That being said. I just feed it with a water hose and the waste line goes out the back of my garage. Keep in mind though I just use my tig once in a blue moon. So it doesn't hurt my water bill. I would love to have this setup. Keep up the good work.

[@Abom79]

Hey Tony, nice gift and sweet mods! BTW, don't ya just hate it when the kids pinch the lines while your trying to pull off that Instagram worthy weld....

[@davidvigneux6929]

Abom79 !!! XD

[@ThisOldTony]

totally the reason why I don't have welds on instagram. ;)

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Or when they pinch of your IV lines!!!

[@LPJMagicmusic]

@@MrUbiquitousTech RIP uncle Bob

[@shotgunsam23]

@@ThisOldTony or anything for that matter

[@zilas4355]

Ok when you cracked the wife's phone screen i've had the best unexpected laught in a loong time, Have a subscription good sir!

[@rob4freedom2012]

Love watching your vids, Never boring, Always entertaining and informative, Many thanks, Keep up the good work ,

[@manr.9106]

Hey Tony, i absolutely love your humour! Best explanation techniques to keep the students focused!

[@Thonss]

Nice video! The STC-1000 is extensively used in homebrewing to turn on a fridge when the fermenting beer gets too hot (or turn on a heating element when the beer gets too cold!). Too bad the delay time is 1 minute. An arduino solution would've been better, but the line voltage fan would be the most ideal option. Thanks for the video

[@waaybiker]

im not sure if im here watching u for your skills or your jokes, i love them both

[@robertgaudet7407]

The camera work is really good too. How do you get this good at machining and not suck at literally everything else? I don't know.

[@dansindan01]

You never dissapoint. Love you style of presenting . Got to get me a gage or shop space. Have tons of hardware in a flat . So often upset the neighbours. Especially as I live in central London. 😂

[@troyna77]

Ty. The subtle bits of wit and bs are great nugget of knowledge that should be take "annually" with meals. Love it. Thanks!

[@NicksStuff]

To cool a radiator, the proper arctic fans would be the P series (P120 in your case), for the increased static Pressure

[@ChadWalber]

The iPhone clips on the microphone at around 87 dB. Anything louder than that will read as 87 dB.

[@resneptacle]

But that's not an iPhone

[@jordananderson2728]

That was definitely an Android. You ever heard of an iPhone with a back button at the bottom?

[@FraLin]

all phones use the same microtones iPhones are only overpriced

[@markisturner1897]

Mate, you are hilarious and very informative. I'm a 48 year old Australian and find myself giggling often watching your videos. Good job 😀 Your attitude is more realistic than others.

[@stanleykinzinger]

Why have i JUST learned about this page this past week. Its such gold

[@beunks]

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in Jeff's office tomorrow morning.

[@zanpekosak2383]

Pray he doesnt own a swatter though. Hell pissed enough without the fly anoying him...

[@dalendru]

I have absolutely no plan to do any welding in my future, but just love your channel. Great videos and the voice over is fabulous. Thanks for putting in such a ton of effort into tour videos n

[@oleandersen3777]

As a former industrial welder fabricator...I enjoy your videos and admire your knowledge also your craftsmanship...thank you for your videos.

[@ThisOldTony]

thanks!

[@NeonblueIndustries]

Great vid and Mod Tony. You could maybe sit the motor up on vibration absorbing material to stop it reverberating through the chassis. Also you could press small copper pipe through the heatsink fins of the more case if the motor gets too hot.

[@deannajoseph]

This video is class from start to finish thanks and well done ToT

[@Dfutham]

His well is finished? I don't know why I thought the well water was so funny.

[@chrischaney2695]

. Hey Tony (if that really is your name) - Love your channel, envy your skills. Not sure if someone already mentioned this: fan shrouds work to help decrease turbulence at the fan tips (which could be applied to the built-in aluminum fan) and thereby increase fluid (air) flow and reduce noise. Keep making awesome stuff!

[@jimwhitaker8751]

I always enjoy your projects! Keep them up.

[@avi8r66]

I've watched this video several times by now, had missed the sound of the invisible torch hitting the bench every time until now, cracked me up.

[@gleaseman]

Good gosh, we've found the This Old Tony holy grail of Dad jokes! Top shelf Tony! (And I Digest)

[@FullSendPrecision]

Digress. Oh, I get it. :)

[@Pieh0]

11:45 *spits drink out while laughing*

[@stephengreen3566]

That was a lot more fun than I was expecting. Thank you.

[@Noahlochner0]

Tony your videos are the best thing on the internet. Please don't ever stop.

[@stefankaufmann8257]

Nice clip, well done! In my job i'm constructing lots of heating and cooling control systems, mostly as a retrofit as you did here. Some remarks: The thermo couple is getting cooled by the windchill from the fans, so it should be insulated to get a reliable measurement. Use a controler with two relais, one for the fans and the 2nd one for temperature alarm. Wire the 2nd one to the existing buzzer. Use normal instead of destilled water if you don't have the recommended antifreeze. If there is any aluminum in the waterlines, it will corrode immediately. The copper in the heat exchanger also doesn't like destilled water, but it will last longer than aluminum. And i have to agree to my preposter: If you have the time, fun and passion - and you don't get a cooler for free - it's really easy and cheap to build. Last but not least: If you are a technical freak, use an analog output on the controler and variable speed fans 😂

[@bobw7707]

Had a car one time that made wind noise thru the drivers window. Drove me crazy. Took it back to the dealer and guess what he said? Well, just turn up the radio....Maybe you need a bigger radio.

[@andrewwhite1793]

Bob W cheap car, expensive stereo - works for me!

[@pdofak]

I take umbrage at un needed fan noise. So in 1991 my 1990 ish Millermatic 250 got a thermoswitch glued to the transformer. Awesomest mod! The fan never ran unless I was really welding something stout. I was pretty conservative on the temp. Around 100˚ F. I did the same thing a couple years ago to a cheap chinesium VFD. For a little device, it made a bunch of annoying noise that I didn't want to hear. A themoswitch got jammed between fins on the heat sink. This time I added a 500 Ω resistor across the thermoswitch which passed enough current to run the fan at low, near silent speed. The VFD is on my lathe. If I run it for some time or load it warms up enough the fan will come on full. When you stop the lathe it goes right back off after a minute. Yay.

[@lucasbraun9783]

I just want to tell you I love your videos and they are made perfect

[@FullSendPrecision]

Not sure I like that one minute delay... seems backwards... like, run for one minute after we reach the low threshold.

[@erikkayV]

I do not have that stc-1000 but I do use a PID that is similar and at least on the one I own all of those parameters can be changed. Though to find out what can be changed and how to change it I had to go digging through the internet as nothing was included with the device. It may be an industry standard to make these devices as cryptic and mysterious as possible.

[@jacktumbleweed]

Aaron Anderson Well that whole time the water is still transferring heat to the cooler, and when you consider the duty cycle the minute wait shouldn't really be detrimental overall. My only concern is whether or not the pc fans move enough volume of air compared to the stamped fan it came with. They'll only move about 200cfm combined whereas the original probably moved several times more air.

[@Mishn0]

It probably keeps the fans from cycling on and off if the temp is right at the threshold.

[@MarkFunderburk]

I think the delay will be a problem , a Tig torch running at 200+ amps generates A LOT of heat and one minute is a good deal of temp rise before the fan finally kicks on. The only way I see him being able to get by with that would be if the thermal mass of the water can absorb that much energy without significant temp rise in a minute, but I don't know how much water that thing holds and I don't know the exact amount of heat a torch generates so It would be a wild ass guess. Anyways I'm sure there is a way he can configure the delay to be less, that would be an odd restriction.

[@erikskytt4544]

Or just set the start temp lower than ambient if you know you will be doing 200A so its always on.

[@pocket5s1]

The buck Rogers reference made me lol

[@felipenavas]

Very entertaining video, thanks! You could use the sensor to get the liquid temperature just to know how the computer coolers compare with the old fan.

[@BPantherPink]

This guy's just THE BEST ... Love your videos so so much. Oh so very entertaining AND intelligent 👏👏👏

[@eformance]

Your corded angle grinder always sounded a lot louder...but it's only *2-3db* higher. Umm, isn't 3db exactly twice as loud?!

[@BerndFelsche]

It doesn't *sound* twice as loud. The power is doubled. Has to be 10dB higher to sound twice as loud. I SAID THAT IT HAS TO BE 10dB HIGHER TO SOUND TWICE AS LOUD!!!

[@obi-wankenobi9871]

*WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?*

[@wolfy9005]

Corded spins faster and seems to have a lot more high pitched drivetrain noise, it's like 7500 for my cordless vs 12000 for the corded. Probably needs some grease in there

[@HaraldSangvik]

Yeah, it's probably the frequency that gives the impression of higher noise.

[@xXSoonexXx]

db is not linear its log

[@Jannie303]

First off: just found your channel, awesome stuff man. Love your videos. Second: Why don't you bypass the temp controller for 1 fan to provide a little cooling for the motor? Shouldn't be too hard.

[@mckannix5055]

Inspired me to make the same mod to my Bernard - Didn't measure dB pre and post, but, WOW! So much less like a B-52 takeoff roll. Thanks TOT

[@rjm842]

I have several stc-1k units and you can set them so there is no delay between reading and triggering the relay. I think from memory it is option 3 if you hold down the set button. But you have probably already solved this or happy without changing things. Great video again

[@goyslop4289]

Harbor freight water pump-40$ Marathon 1/2 hp motor-60$ Amazon radiator-30$ Tubing/fittings-10$ Something to hold water - probably free ..next weekend project in the works lol

[@cetyl2626]

bdub z Don't bother with the HF pump, it's junk (been there with my own homemade beer fermenter chiller, spend a few bucks on one meant for an RV, instead)

[@lunchboxproductions1183]

That HF pump isn't going to cut it, look on Craigslist for an old carbonator pump from the beverage industry. If you can get the whole assembly you'll have a decent water tank too.

[@jaredj631]

Armchair Pilot the 12v harbor freight transfer pump lasted me two years of farming, I watered thousands of chickens From 55 gallon drums in the back of my pickup. So that's not bad I still have it, it works fine.

[@johnpossum556]

Case off it looks very very similar to a household dehumidifier (which WOULD give slushie like results since they have freon /R-134/etc in them) which are often just thrown away. I'd use a circulator pump (meant for like baseboard heating) since they are extremely reliable and designed for cycling.

[@frigzy3748]

TIG cooler pump is very special - it's a high pressure / low flow type. You only can find such pumps in beverage industry and they are pricey. Any other type of pump will work in less than optimal mode and will not last long.

[@ricardobonito83]

24:28 omg that was hilarious, especially when I was focused and not waiting :)

[@lazzynomad]

Your editing and sketch comedy is top notch.

[@markdavich5829]

I love your videos. The jokes you sneak in are hilarious - maybe I'm just easily entertained but I almost fell out of my chair at least twice. LOL

[@DeathguyTheDestroyer]

I copyrighted "Slurpo". I'll be expecting my royalty check on February 31st.

[@jaredj631]

That thing would be great for condensing moonshine.

[@94ToBor]

I use the same setup, but homemade. Could probably work as a tig-cooler

[@johnpossum556]

Try running the coils through a freezer. Works sweet!

[@94ToBor]

Just to be clear, I use this setup to cool the water going to the condenser. Not directly for distilling. Reflux system with adjustable return ;)

[@condor5635]

Very interesting tinkering project. I laughed so hard when you said STC1000 - put 1000 at the end of any word and it sounds cooler. Very funny and true. Thanks for making!

[@marioncobretti7870]

Those 2 " bloopers" were hilarious. The phone cracking and the hole going into the resevoir.. priceless

[@pennise]

Tony, You owe me a new keyboard and a set of false teeth. Way too funny - great video.

[@JohnHoskins42]

Thumbs up for Buck Rogers - "Twiggy"

[@traewatkins931]

You mean Twiki, but dBs are now "tweaky words" :P

[@TsunamiKitten]

"...change the coolant annually, although I will probably just do it the old fashioned way..." Solid gold. Solid gold.

[@LittleAussieRockets]

I'm re-watching some of the old ones and these dad jokes just don't get old😂

[@ApprenticeGM]

Great video as always Tony! 1) 3db = twice as loud. So 1 db is discernibly louder (re your angle grinders). 2) Different frequencies sound louder to the human ear even though they are the same loudness (db). So, perhaps your corded angle grinder was outputting higher frequencies which you perceive as louder. 3) Re #2 you can account for that by measuring using A-weighting on the phone if the app has it, or buy a sound level meter which has it. 4) You should be a bit more Tony when measuring your angle grinders by ensuring the noise output part (spinning disc? Motor?) is the same distance from the mic / phone (you were a bit lackadaisical on that in this video!)

[@eformance]

Hey Tony, those F12 case fans have an external PWM input signal that is used to vary the speed of the fan. I'd recommend buying a PC case fan controller that has an external thermistor and PWM fan control. Or you could just whip something up with and Arduino. Bang-bang temp control is ugly and noisy... *Correction* later in the video I see those are 3 wire, not 4 wire, so no PWM input. You can still vary the speed of 3 wire fans with PWM, but the control isn't as fine-grained as 4 wire (2 of the wires are power, 1 is tachometer feedback, 1 is PWM input).

[@iwtommo]

I always wondered why there were so many wires. Not enough to actually go find out, but im glad you cleared that up for me!

[@BlackEpyon]

Usually, it's the CPU fan that has that 4th wire, so that you can throttle it according to the CPU load.

[@BradHedges]

Three wires do give you PWM control; four wires have an encoder that returns data *from* the fan, to give feedback to the controller (tells it how fast the fan is actually turning).

[@chriswisneski6071]

@@BradHedges no, you got it backwards. 3 wire fans report rpm, the 4th wire is for speed control (all PWM fans have rpm reporting, at least for PC style fans). We could discuss why all pc fans with PWM also have rpm signal (it's the economy... ), but it doesn't matter - the industry standard says the 3rd wire is RPM signal, and the 4th wire (if it's there) is PWM RPM control.

[@spasev]

Decibel is a logarithmic unit for measuring sound pressure, it is not a linear unit. Therefore 3db is almost doubling the perceived sound level depending on the weight filter used. Great video by the way.

[@sinrock85]

Your wife is the most patient person I’ve never met. You are incredibly lucky to have her. Don’t mess it up.