Thomas Gaston - Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology

[@ManlyServant]

is it visible that people starts leaving trinitarianism?,as for me,i didnt see it yet,but maybe in an unknown statistics (i heard most evangelicals in survey believed Jesus is God creation and less than God,that would make most american christian a subordinationist unitarian,which most of these christian are wordly so we cant really be so proud about it)

[@Gashinshoutan2009]

A reversion to the Christianity of the original apostles understandings would be ideal. However, given how many denominations there already are in Christianity today, it's not an easy path.

[@richardtarr8145]

I'm an Adoptionist who believes in the Virgin Birth (just not insemination by a God-seed), so why am I not included as a Dynamic Monarchianist?

[@UnitarianChristianAlliance]

Typically an adoptionist is someone who denies the virgin birth. If you affirm the virgin birth, you share that in common with the dynamic monarchians Gaston identifies in his survey of early Christians. The specific details about the miraculous origin of Jesus within Mary are another topic. (Exactly HOW God brought about the conception, for example.)

[@Mikha335]

Me too. Jesus himself said that you become the children of God at the resurrection. Paul says that the resurrection is the adoption for human beings. Obviously this this applies equally to the resurrected Messiah as well. And this doesn’t have to mean that he wasn’t the son of God in another lesser sense both at his baptism as well at his conception. For me, the virgin birth miracle was the token of his identity. The spirit filled baptism was the authoritative seal. The resurrection was the realization of the complete messianic authority. All that remains is for him to return and fulfill all the prophecies concerning his earthly rule and reign. But he will gain no higher authority than he now has at the right hand of God. It’s similar for all his disciples. At baptism the covenant is made. The Holy Spirit ratifies the covenant whereby we come into a relationship with God as his children on condition. The resurrection is the realization of the promised inheritance as sons of God, the messiah being the firstborn from the dead. Partaking in the divine nature means you inherit the divine attribute of immortality through the resurrection from the dead. This doctrine is from the scriptures and there is no shame in it.

[@richardtarr8145]

@@UnitarianChristianAlliance Thank you. I simply believe the words of Peter in Acts 2:30 (and the prophecies of 2 Sam 7:12 and 1 Chr 17:11) and take them VERY literally. I am enjoying reading the book.

[@SRBLIS3416]

Acts 13:33 - Psalm 2:7

[@richardtarr8145]

@@UnitarianChristianAlliance Please let me know when you tackle that subject.

[@andre_theist]

Joh 8:58 & Joh 20:28. This Christology is the soonest, cause it is from God Incarnate himself

[@UnitarianChristianAlliance]

The point is that your interpretation of those two passages is later than an earlier unitarian interpretation. Basically history demonstrates you are misreading the text.

[@andre_theist]

@@UnitarianChristianAlliance the interpretation you find in vers 59

[@jirehseiuli6173]

Context for both those chapters can debunk your claim For john 8:58 look at the previous verse ( John 8:57-58 Then said the Jews to him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them verily I say to you before abraham was I am ) the context was have you seen abraham not are you God the hebrew for I am simply to exist for example when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers genesis 45 he confirmed he existed by saying in verse 3 of chapter 45 I am Joseph does my father yet live. So put this definition into context Jesus said to the Pharisees before Abraham was I existed. And to prove he was created John 20:28's context states in john 20:17 John 20:17 Jesus says to her, Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD and your God. This is directly after his resurrection in his supposed "spiritual " form so when Thomas says my lord it's in reference to Jesus and when he says my God it is referencing the spirit of God in Jesus after his resurrection

[@polemeros]

Gosh, being a Christian of any kind among contemporary UUs is like being a trade unionist among Bolesheviks.

[@UnitarianChristianAlliance]

The UCA is not Unitarian Universalist, nor is Dr. Gaston who presented in this video.

[@polemeros]

@@UnitarianChristianAlliance My mistake. Lucky you. I confused you with the UU Christian Fellowship. Outsiders in what was once their "church." (The historical logic of liberalism)