Thomas Sowell Dismantles Egalitarianism (Frances Fox Piven Edition)

In this clip from the 1980 Free To Choose, socialist Frances Fox Piven tangles with Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. Sowell, in particular, is incisive with his discussion of "process" versus aspiration -- concluding that whatever the purported social goals, liberty suffers.
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[@comesahorseman]

A free people will never be equal, and a people ( made) equal will never be free. It's really that simple.

[@v.v.7522]

John Amidon amen

[@parrotshootist3004]

Thus the bait for willing slaves is set.

[@ExitStrategies]

John Amidon “direct community action in favor of a socialist regime is an admission of supremacy”

[@sifundo77]

True

[@TheJTinHB]

People "made" equal, will also never be equal.

[@casablancasj448]

Imagine trying to win a debate when you're up against Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. Good luck.

[@avonflex5031]

were can i get d full debate

[@actualideas8078]

And you have a dumb premise to defend like socialism

[@marcosmelendez09]

Simply they will win because they are speaking the truth. There is only one truth. The rest is just opinions

[@maxscott3349]

Depends what you're debating. If it were say, which types of ground you need toothed buckets for, or whether you can weld gray cast with a 7018, I'd probably be at an advantage

[@marcelbenner993]

@@avonflex5031 To me, this looks like a series Milton Friedman has done. They are called Free to Choose. After some explanations in form of a movie, a debate is held at the end of each part. There are 10 in total but I don't know from which this clip is.

[@HeavyK.]

The older I get, the more I enjoy a black person berating a white liberal for deciding to speak and think for black people. Tomas Sowell is just incredible.

[@JimmyJaxJellyStax]

Absolutely, it's one thing to have compassion and attempt to see things from the perspective of another race beyond our own, but another to downright pretend we've somehow also lived as another. In respect for accuracy, everyone should tactfully lead the sharing of the most genuine experiences of their own race to help society most accurately understand. Sowell is the black man here, let him represent his people lady! Also not to obsess too much, risk of polarizing everything into race (ala Twitter tirades today, etc).

[@floatsting20]

A white liberal is the most racist. They spout this crap and then go home to their nice neighborhood with white faces

[@ShawnWeeded510]

And Sowell acting as though he speaks for all black people implies that blacks are to some degree a monolith. Sowell speaks for a minority of the black community.

[@TheClemcaster]

Only an old white man would find Sowell's ideas 'just incredible.'

[@kevinkilpatrick7510]

@Ken Wells he berates her for saying something correct. she’s not speaking for black people, she’s simply stating a fact: inequality in education was a significant issue of concern for the black civil rights movement in the 60s. sowell indicates very firmly that this is incorrect, but it is indeed correct, historical, factual, even widely accepted.

[@jpierre9698]

3 important questions I learned to ask because I listened to Thomas Sowell: Compared to what? At what cost? What hard evidence do you have?

[@elizabethd.838]

Sihing Pierre He uses reason, not emotions and rhetoric. This is the source of seeking truth.

[@The22Walli]

Yes, he said that arguments from the left usually don't live up to those three questions

[@Tome4kkkk]

It's funny because no one is asking those questions when revering capitalism :) And no, comparing performance of a capitalist system to totalitarian socialist systems is a proof of high-IQ retardation rather than a valid argument :)

[@TheEpikak]

It is simply amazing how much BS you can cut through using three simple questions.

[@jesusmods1]

@@Tome4kkkk well you have to compare to real stuff you know?

[@omgutubeismylife]

"Like most people, I've never seen a pollster."

[@radioheadinc]

omgutubeismylife I love that

[@arisvery4986]

Amen!

[@michaelangeloright704]

Like most people I've never seen a Pollster.

[@BenDoverII]

Even today...That statement wins the internet...

[@Charistoph]

She says, "Black Leaders", you mean like Martin Luther King, Jr? Like Malcolm X? They spoke out against the very crap she was promoting. Which is probably why they died so early on, am I right? No, she's referring to the sell outs like Reverend Jackson and Al Sharpton.

[@benjaminscherrey1124]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster!" - Sowell What an awesome true statement! Sowell is the sage of our age. "You get greater equality of actual results by a system under which people are free to achieve unequal results" - Friedman Friedman is possibly the wisest man to live in the 20th century. He is truly missed.

[@oscarcabral6913]

What does Sowell mean by that?

[@judasjuicebox]

what do you think of Ludvig von Mises?

[@EthanNoble]

I'd give that label to Mises or Rothbard

[@ajdoyle9559]

Polls were taken which asked a sample of black people if they supported affirmative action, most said no. She says randomly without any evidence that Thomas Sowell puts the ideas into the pollsters heads that black people don't support affirmative action, he responds that he has never even met a pollster which highlights how ridiculous her assertion is.

[@cristianofisch]

@EthanNoble Me too. Friedman trusted government and politicians too much, thats why Mises said: "You're all a bunch of socialists".

[@varanidguy]

Why don't we have shows like this on television anymore?! Screw Keeping Up With the Kardashians, that's GARBAGE! THIS!! This is what we NEED! Education!

[@MrClaudiuzz9]

+varanidguy Supply flows to where the demand is, its what the people want

[@lisat9322]

+Claudius Odermatt - Not exactly. It's what the people are FED.

[@MrClaudiuzz9]

Lisa T No one is forcing you to consume

[@MrClaudiuzz9]

Lisa T You're consuming on your freedom of choice and free will

[@lisat9322]

Claudius Odermatt - I don't watch the trash on TV. It's boring. There are very few programs on today's TV that are intellectual or educational. Most are with a leftist slant and predictable. Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer to live in reality because I don't believe in unicorns and pixie dust.

[@iWizard]

Ahhh, the good ol’ days. Remember when our public debates used to sound like that? Remember when left and right robustly debated facts and philosophies? What a joke we’ve become.

[@marixcx]

Ken MacDonald Delusional i see

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman in the same room....I wish I could have been there. God bless both of them.

[@ginohernandez3770]

You can add Carl Sagan in there too.

[@DieFlabbergast]

God was probably in the audience (in disguise).

[@samoralink8952]

Friedman was an evil man who caused the death of thousands of people due to his economic experiments especially in South America.

[@LuisOrtiz-xo5kc]

@@samoralink8952 What is your evidence to support this claim?

[@jesusmods1]

@@samoralink8952 WTF are you talking about?

[@BenDoverII]

2:25 Even in the 80’s entitled white women trying to tell black people how to think and act, etc...Bravo Mr. Sowell for putting her in her place!!!

[@blackpepperburger]

@Impervious ^ U.S.A.

[@MissSunny1966]

I'm a white woman and cheered him! He's on target with it all!

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

Jewish** woman.

[@thebronxguy916]

Socialist Democrat's Poverty Pimps control over the US Inner-cities.

[@thebronxguy916]

Poverty Programs before 1 cent, 1 dollar is spent, given to supposedly help someone. Hundreds of thousands of millions is spent on, Office Bldgs, office furniture, computers setup, computer programming, office supplies, insurance for government cars, purchase of vehicles. The come the Directors of program Salary, plus benefits, the same for his assistant director salary.. What a scam.

[@jawhitak]

I miss these times. People discussed ideas and policies rather than just call each other names..

[@gregpatterson921]

jawhitak once someone starts calling names, the other has won the argument

[@fabulousdolphin4221]

now the answer would be YOU RACIST KRAKKA

[@FerdinandFake]

"If you dont want to trade freedom for welfare, you aint black" - JB

[@davidlund5213]

I thought of the same exact thing! it's infuriating how long this idea has persisted, especially in the presence of such brilliant minds as Thomas Sowell's

[@michaelhart1072]

I thought egalitarianism was just that everyone had equal rights and opportunities, not equal outcome

[@liamashton645]

We've had equal rights and opportunities for decades. The results are not what the leftists wanted to see so now they want to control the outcomes by restricting rights and opportunities to the races and genders of people that did well with their opportunities in life... I.E white and Asian men. They have become authoritarian and truly believe their discrimination is just and right.

[@fabulousdolphin4221]

no

[@squeakersthegryphon5338]

Sadly most modern people think that egalitarianism is equal outcome.

[@samqwerty]

It's exactly that. He is making a strawman, but people are too sentimental with their own dogmas to even notice.

[@rowsdower12]

It's communism now. They are trying to control speech too

[@mdjcsmith]

Wow, never seen Sowell lose his patience like that.

[@TrollinFromFlask]

I'm against getting anger in debates but can't blame him listening to that manipulative hag.

[@davidturner1641]

He did kind of.lose it It took me a minute to understand why

[@davidturner1641]

What she said was so radically racist He was unwilling to go backwards

[@SJQuirke]

Even this he does well - what a great guy!

[@dannyburns2394]

mdjcsmith, he wants to distract you with his anger so you don’t notice that he is lying. Consistently the polls show that 69-84% of black people surveyed agree with affirmative action. Today 63% of white people do. He lies!

[@gQuaresma07]

milton friedman and Thomas Sowell are together ♥ :O

[@mmlas8683]

Thomas Sowell is still alive.

[@wiltonheath9618]

Milton Friedman is in the video

[@akasteve03]

Abdul Gemayyel this is from free to choose series by milt it was a great series

[@MusicaX79]

There's an awesome debate for privatizing schools that has William f Buckley, Thomas Sowell, and Milton Friedman all on one side. Amazon has it and I think youtube has parts of it for free if you look hard enough.

[@rodneyleon3645]

thats because milton was his mentor

[@patsaultz721]

Thomas Sowell is the most bad ass black man to ever walk the face of this earth ...the most Under rated Scholar as well !

[@lucasley20]

He sure is!

[@davidturner1641]

He might be one of them ...MLK Jr ...Dr. Ben Carson ...I don't necessarily agree with Islam but cassius clay/Ali was pretty brilliant TBH I could go on with a few more Honestly I doubt there has ever been anyone SMARTER than Ben Carson He is an equal among the most high intellects that have ever lived

[@davidturner1641]

George Washington Carver .. George Washington

[@buckeyewill2166]

pat saultz ....I respect his iconoclastic mannerisms. Even though I respect the Ne Deal and Great Society

[@iwasherenowiamnotok8893]

How about Huey Lewis

[@maraw8658]

I think I actually saw Thomas roll his eyes.....and I love it

[@davidturner1641]

Honestly he totally lost it for almost a minute

[@davidturner1641]

It took me a minute or five to understand why tho

[@FloridaManMatty]

That’s the closest I’ve ever seen him come to losing his cool. He was right, too.

[@musical_lolu4811]

He was younger.

[@agiftedrighterdotcom]

My babies' intellects are increasing just by my playing this in the background of their playtime. I know it is true.

[@LittleHatori]

😂yas!!!!! u can never start Good habits or discourse too early in a child's life.

[@avonflex5031]

were can i watch full debate

[@brandonvestra]

@@avonflex5031 I'm looking for that too.

[@emergencybearcedures4494]

It is true

[@fabulousdolphin4221]

they are becoming more equal

[@terrypussypower]

Thomas Sowell talks the most sense of anyone I’ve ever heard. The guy is a fountain of common sense. Every time I listen to him or read anything by him I learn something important.

[@dcgregorya5434]

Watching these videos makes me depressed at how : We knew all this decades ago. Our society is even less intelligent now than it was then. At least you can say some of the liberals on here couldn't know the net result of how every one of these policies would fail. Now we do know this and people want to keep doubling down on something which not only doesn't work but it has counterproductive results.

[@fabulousdolphin4221]

read letters written by the average Joe in WW1 and WW2. You can clearly see how much dumber we are. the proficiency of language use has plummeted

[@dbjkatz]

dcgregorya the leftist imbeciles who killed Classical liberalism cling to the futile hope that their ideas - much like a 35 year old who lives in a basement smoking pot and playing video games - will some day work.

[@buzifalus]

america let us down. kill it before it breeds

[@kingdomcome1617]

You win the top comment award for this video. Well stated.

[@truthseeker9688]

dcgregorya so true.

Thomas Sowell is a frigg'n genius. He's written several books, some of which I've read and heartily recommend.

[@guyfawkes9252]

+Walter Strong Which book would you recommend?

[@Coaching-is3pz]

+Walter Strong So completely agree. One gains IQ points simply by reading Sowell's work.

[@blessedalcuin]

+Walter Strong Yup, he's written forty books.

[@mohtoadh]

+Walter Strong recommend just one?

[@guyfawkes9252]

Yes.

[@3lightsteps]

Love Sowell. I have also loved Milton Friedman. Takes me back to better days when facts and logic could be heard.

[@flamingxflamingo5330]

You're such a stereotype

[@einhornisaman2973]

It must of been a pleasure in going to school everyday to be able to listen Thomas Sowell lecture about economics. I almost envy those students that had the privilege to hear this brilliant man speak.

[@thedizzlesizzle89]

You can still have that same privileges.. pretty much every talk they've done is available on youtube. You have it better than they did actually back then

[@lucasfortes7705]

Dylan Stewart God bless the free-market!

[@xandercorp6175]

"almost"

[@percybolondo5430]

Tom's just too good. The smartest guy in the room every single time.

[@ABHINAV-bo2ls]

Percy Bolondo That would surely be Friedman.

[@ramtrucks721]

Not when Freidman is there

[@sammyscellojourney3851]

Thomas Sowell should be the hero of the black community, he's a brillant mind!

[@teebaggwell9853]

Unfortunately black community call him all degrading names because he speak the truth.

[@Cynicruss2]

You guys need to stop this identity politics.

[@radiolaw3297]

He should be the hero of all communities.

[@logant44]

when he finally passes on (and he getting quite old) nyt will give him brief mention somewhere in the corner of some nondescript page

[@cajunpipesmoker1519]

Sammy's Cello Journey , I've heard he has to live in seclusion because of death threats by the black community.

[@laloj.ramirez7101]

“Like most people I have never seen a pollster.” Same Thomas, same. Sill relevant today in 2020

[@ElronHumpperdink]

Notice how Sowell is an economist, the opponent is in political science. One is a useful occupation.

[@Tome4kkkk]

Economists - the clergy class of today.

[@Zorro9129]

It's more like political science has been subverted by a league interested in advancing its goals rather than pursuing truth.

[@nickthesupersaiyan]

Economics have been politicized to cheerlead capitalist economic logic and values.

[@thisrichbastard.809]

Economics is theory based. Civilizations existed and thrive for thousands of years without Economists.

[@juanme555]

@Dr. Georgio Yakatura Not nearly as useful as Cicero.

[@fredpearson5204]

I'm not sure who's more awesome: Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman? Piven is a microbe amongst intellectual giants.

[@Mendelmandela]

+David Pearson piven is a virus among aliens heheheh

[@samwiseg1972]

Just like Yoda and Obi-Wan. Can't choose!

[@yoonjeongsoo9378]

Fred Pearson I love them both to death. But Thomas lays down the absolute FIRE on race issues. It's so cathartic... and I'm a Korean man living in South Korea.

[@veryliberalprogressiveathe6117]

Fred Pearson I don't compare them. They're both great 👍.

[@davidturner1641]

@@veryliberalprogressiveathe6117 I agree

[@capitalismisgood7650]

Great quote from Thomas Sowell later on. "we live in a anointed state where the anointed decide how you should feel." Fits well here when he talks about black people not polling on affirmative action, the anointed polled for affirmative action putting affirmative action in the black peoples mouth.

[@rajbaj]

Where can I watch the entire debate?

[@Noraeve]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster!" - true then and true today. Love Thomas Sowell.

[@highdesert420]

I love Thomas Sowell so much. Wish he'd live forever.

[@billybagbom]

Wanna have a bad day? Include in it a debate with Thomas Sowell. He will wipe up the floor with you.

[@jbailor13]

/\ There are no three sentences which better sum up the talents of Mr. Sowell.

[@davidturner1641]

Maybe I would debate anyone on almost anything It's fun :)

[@flaminghulaballoo]

Sowell nails it in his first sentence: talking at cross purposes. Sowell is talking from quantifiable fact and Piven is talking from rhetoric. The difference is substantive, especially as Sowell knows he is arguing from fact, and Piven does not seem to know that she is only arguing from rhetoric. This is the seminal problem of public discourse in our times. Never mind Social Media whipping up the mid-wits on any or all given sides. You cannot have any agreement when one side always argues in what is de facto bad faith. It has only gotten worse in 40 years.

[@yoonjeongsoo9378]

"You expressed it dammit!!!" Love this moment

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

When Sowell gets mad lol

[@Chaosdude341]

That was great.

[@lbuday]

Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman top 10 anime collaborations

[@classycactus8449]

I find it funny that she essentially asserted that you first need equality of outcome to achieve equality of opportunity.

[@tigerarmyrule]

Friedman should be required reading for everyone.

[@allenellsworth5799]

As well as his son.

[@GamingLoadown101]

Economics in one lesson should as should the problem with socialism

[@ChuddmasterZero]

Sowell’s reasoning is always powerful and compelling. I wish he had a more prominent role today - his wisdom is sorely needed.

[@shyama5612]

Its amazing that even today 'equality of opportunity' is derided and 'equality of outcome' is considered morally superior by the Progressives. I shudder to think what would I have been if I had not known of Sowell and Milton. For sure, I'd have been a progressive as that's the 'factory setting' for most urban IT professional like myself.

[@49riffinator]

Milton Friedman was like 'Man I could really use some popcorn right now'

[@hamnchee]

Never saw Sowell get riled up before! Dammit, woman! Lol

[@brendannadnerb5903]

I love hearing Sowell say "damn it."

[@herashak]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster" "get wealthy with a permit to set up a television station"

[@williamg780]

I love Sowell’s hand swipe at 2:32

[@McBain86]

Then Piven gives him the stink-eye, LOL.

[@joeashbubemma]

Intellectual MMA. I love it. Friedman, Sowell - heavyweight champions of Freedom.

[@pwenkojammy2894]

"They expressed it" Sowell is sitting there like: I'm sitting right in front of you... no I didn't...

[@pablorages1241]

Sowell is a BOSS ... I wish everyone could think so logically and truthfully

[@ilovetoeatoff]

Where can I watch the full video? Gosh, this is interesting.

[@manuelaraujo2764]

Free to choose. Search for Firedmans Series and you'll find the complete episodes. Although Im not quite sure which episode this one is particularly.

[@cserpakbalazs6342]

off topic: Is Sowell 50 in this video? I can't belive he is, bt Wikipedia says he was born in 1930.

[@davidmolyneux5289]

Crazy, he looks about 35 haha

[@garrettjohnson7546]

He's 89 now

[@no-bozos]

Never enter a battle of wits with Thomas Sowell unarmed.

[@jacbug-7349]

He is one of the most brutal debaters I’ve ever seen. He talks with such vigour and confidence. He provides facts and a rational explanation to every claim put informant of him.

[@fastsean9]

“A lot of people are born at the bottom of the society.” Girl please. It’s all a mindset. Do u think poor Asians come to America say aw I wish I somebody gave me money while i do nothing? No

[@lordbarberwigg483]

Such gratitude towards Mr Sowell and Mr Friedman for fighting the good fight and setting such powerful examples and education so that we may carry that torch for the next generation. I love reading and watching videos of them. Their worlds are just as true, if not more so, today.

[@penelopeplimsoul3617]

The moment he rolls his eyes and sighs. 😆😂

[@John_II]

I could listen to Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell all day.

[@dannyhawkins4842]

There is no such thing as equality between people. Equality is a mathematical term that is used to describe a relationship between abstract quantities. What people who use the term "equality" really mean to say is, "People are alike.".

[@BlackFaceTrudeau]

Brilliant! What a duo! The master and his protegé

[@battleax8136]

Damn this dude is smart

[@thegreatonecometh200]

hes another in a long line of right wing nuts wanting small government nothing particularly brilliant about his stance ! he lives in the same fantasy as Milton Freidman where everything will run great if government almost disappears ! time has proven that wrong everywhere including here

[@avoiceup3222]

thegreatonecometh200 you are correct to say he is a nut according to those who want others to control their mind for them. I will govern my own mind thank you.

[@scottwilson4798]

thegreatonecometh200 where exactly has that been proven?

[@georgecorrea8530]

Love it all. I wish we had more debates like these in today's world 🌏.

[@skepticbubble3166]

Removing any barrier to advancement not giving any sector a special privileged wow that was so simple and hit the point right on the spot

[@moniquemorris5833]

"Intellectuals were not in that protest movement, black people were in that protest movement" Okay, girl. Tell me how you really feel.

[@PMichaelG]

Sowell: "Like most people, I have never met a Pollster" Epic..

[@ramakrishnagodugunur195]

These are the ones we should have more on TV. Thomas Sowell and Friedman on one stage. Wow, nice!

[@b3makinn]

This man’s message has depth and weight. Thank you

[@thomaskline5164]

I saw this in 1980, but time has passed I just don't remember if it was before or after I Graduated from Parris Island.

[@martybeazley3306]

One of my favorite speakers, Thomas Sowell, he is a fine American and a brilliant man.

[@woodtrevor21]

He was a great voice for such a time. Would like to see more of him nowadays on TV!

[@dijonnestricklen7840]

I learned so much today from this video thanks again for the tip.

[@freetochoosenetwork]

Today, we posted a new video on a similar topic: "Thomas Sowell on Black Misrepresentation"

[@MikeJack20]

The greatest cause of inequality is government programs. Mind blown.

[@yeboscrebo4451]

Friedman is always so clear and concise, so easy to listen to

[@Anonamoosemouse]

"You get greater equality of actual results by a system under which people are free to obtain unequal results."

[@anthonyreed480]

Man, he demolished that Karen. "Like most people, I've never met a pollster." HA!

[@geezerbill]

Around the 3:00 mark: oooh yeah, here comes the Sowell smack-down! He rocks. Now I'm off to find a Sowell "Thug Life" compilation.

[@Mecharocca]

3:24 "Ah, this is...magical."

[@Trid3nt861]

Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell in the same panel together.... Im so joyful.

[@joeyravage4798]

Sowell: "You expressed it, damn it!"

[@wikicross]

"These 2 have never admitted to being wrong on a single point of their philosophy." Actually, Sowell used to be a Marxist.

[@Gathoklea]

Anyone have the full video of this debate? I'd love to be able to watch it in its entirety.

[@rowsdower12]

I'm the same thinking, no one is equal. So many variables, intellect and choices.

[@raymondeaton5692]

Thomas Sowell is my hero. An honest thinking man.

[@Frankcapasso]

Dr. Sowell has achieved greatness 10 times over!

[@brendancarroll3762]

wow its impossible to have a conversation like this these days.

[@covercalls88]

I have followed Dr. Friedman and Dr. Sowell during my college days. Very impressive men to say the least.. I really had to pay attention to what Dr. Sowell was saying, as it was thought provoking and took a little longer to sink in. Dr. Friedman to me was a little more easier to understanding as he tenderd to use easily understood examples to make his point.

[@bigvis497]

2:23 wow, I dont think I've ever seen pissed-off Sowell before!

[@rickywhite5715]

The best way to achieve equality is to treat everyone equally.

[@thecurrentmoment]

Great idea!

[@saltburner2]

The Englishman in the opening minute is Peter Jay, one-time British Ambassador to the USA, son of Douglas Jay MP and son-in-law of British premier James Callaghan.

[@RonJohn63]

"Freedom to achieve unequally." What a great concept.

[@shoopinc]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster" -Thomas Sowell

[@Showmetheevidence-]

I love Milton and Thomas equally. :)

[@mrbiz7774]

One of the smartest men I've ever listened to. A real American. God Bless TS

[@bruceruttan60]

His courage and absolute confidence in his analytic technique is so obvious is just look at his face when answering. T. Sowell should be recorded as one of the finest Americans of our time.

[@kevGrajeda09]

Can we talk about his hair for a second? Modern black women are supposed to be celebrated for flaunting their natrual curls in the face of racist buainess standards. Thomas Sowell rocked the fro during some of the most influential intellectual conversations of our time. 50+years ago!

[@JAJA0913]

The final choice, as taught by history, is very clear: Do you want more wealth for yourself or do you want equalized distribution of poverty?

[@PFB1994]

Well formed and intelligent argument. Keep up the good work.

[@Koldeman]

Look at how tickled Friedman gets when Sowell tells Piven, "No, YOU expressed it dammit!"

[@stan420]

Can you imagine Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Jordan Peterson together fighting all this nonsense

[@scottcampbell2585]

When companies seek rent from government then the government employee seeks protection for the company from entry into the market. You get inferior products. And artificial shortages.

[@garymorrison4139]

"Of whom and of what indeed can I say,"I know that!" This heart within me I can feel and I judge that it exists. This world I can touch, and I likewise judge that it exists. There ends all my knowledge, and the rest is construction"-- Albert Camus

[@Deadwind002]

"Like most people I have never seen a pollster." Priceless.