Thomas Tallis - Mass for four voices

[@seekingsnavely]

Tallis was SO gifted!! We are fortunate that his music is with us today...

[@johnervin8033]

A towering Tallis genius. It's not for nothing that RVW turned to his melodic stunner for his great Fantasia on a Theme of Tallis. He rocks the british block like an aftershock.

[@krismariasy9728]

This is the way masses NEED to be written today

[@davidandrews5485]

nothing like an advert before to set the mood.

[@edheldur5328]

+David Andrews Use adblocker, problem solved.

[@scottmendelson4423]

At least it wasn't for Pepto-bismol

[@unavailable2204]

@@edheldur5328 KZbin has got wise to Adblockers and forces you to allow ads or it won't play. Adverts drive me mad.

[@arguspanoptes9510]

I know its rhe kowtow to the system but I sold out and got Premium. No ada

[@waynechoma4648]

How can words describe the heavenly majesty of this music! This sublime mass overwhelms the senses in sheer aural beauty.

[@cecilemoochnek8435]

thank you for this today/ happy new year to all in 2023/may the beauty of this resonate in our time

[@telemachus53]

What a feller. To have his music sang 450 years after he wrote it! I wonder if Justin Bieber's songs will be sang in year 2500... I raise my hat to this amazing composer (and to you for uploading it!)..

[@leoncohen2712]

I soar inside whenever I hear this type of music so superbly done. If there exists a more spiritually radiant music than some of these Renaissance things, I would like to hear it.

[@espionageacademy7555]

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

[@arguspanoptes9510]

Perhaps Spem in Alium also by Tallis. (Just forget about the link to 50 shades and love the music for itself. Vastly superior any day than that tawdry nonsense )

[@WolfyGreen]

This is superbly crafted music - which serves the mass sublimely and ravishes the secular mind with its tender purity. This is a treasure of human achievement that gives a glimpse of something that transcends the ordinary.

[@rodrigomunoz-ribadeneira5327]

Your prose description is commensurable to the beauty of this music. Many thanks.

[@WolfyGreen]

Rodrigo Munoz De Ribadeneira Thank you, Rodrigo for your kind words :) When moved by marvelous things I strive to celebrate the artist's achievement above all - and to approach the work with great humility.

[@arguspanoptes9510]

And you are a Philistine not worthy to even listen to Tallis let alone appreciate.

[@elizabethhenry6605]

Well, this secular mind needs neither word-salads nor invisible sky-daddies to appreciate good music. Thanks all the same, though.

[@arguspanoptes9510]

@@elizabethhenry6605 Any time

[@classy_dweller]

Wonderful ,slowly flowing song which soothes the soul so deeply...

[@JSB213814]

Tallis = one of the best composers in his day

[@BigfistJP]

In his day or any other day. Extraordinarily underrated. Can't think of any of his compositions that I do not like.

[@maureensansburn6413]

@@BigfistJP A great composer for all time

[@francinesicard464]

@@BigfistJP Not underrated, just the lack of interest for a very long time and the difficulty and complexity in performing these chants. But the Renaissance was full of wonderful composers and Thomas Tallis is one of its greatest representatives. His music is sublime.

[@BigfistJP]

@@francinesicard464 Merci beaucoup. J'aime votre avis.

[@englishrose47]

One of the best composers in music history

[@Jamalshookup1]

This was written during the later reign of King Henry VIII. It reflects Archbishop Thomas Cranmer's preference for simpler settings of the Mass. Early polyphony was easy to understand; by the time of Reformation England, it had become difficult to follow what was being sung, as the chants had become more and more complex. The cavernous echoes of huge Cathedrals and large churches did nothing to help. Here, Tallis writes a simple yet magnificent chant that harkens back to an earlier time.

[@kendallhuffhines3168]

Indeed! But listen to the homage paid to Ockhegem in, say, the Benedictus. "Simple," yes. But simple it is not. The cavernous cathedrals were, indeed, troublesome by this time. The slowdown attests to that fact. Good call, Jamalshookup1.

[@ronwalker4849]

THEN, AS NOW, THERE ARE IDIOTS WHO CLAIM THAT THEY CANNOT LISTEN TO POLYPHONIC MUSIC BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE VOICE LEADING. HE MAY HAVE BEEN HENRY BUT HE WAS AN INTELLECTUAL IDIOT, AS HE DESTROYED THE GREAT ARCHITECTURE OF THE CATHOLIC MONESTARIES. THE CONFLICT FOLLOWED ENGLAND RIGHT UP TO CHRISTOPHER WREN´S CONSTRUCTION OF ST. PAUL AND THE COMPLAINT THAT IT LOOKED TOO ROMAN CATHOLIC. SPAIN FOUGHT BACK WITH THE COUNTER REFORMATION BLOCK OF STONE KNOWN AS EL ESCORIAL. IT IS A GRANITE BLOCKADE ON THE SPIRIT AND MIND.

[@DaveDexterMusic]

You can listen to it no problem. But following it? Understanding it? In a reverberant cathedral, in Latin, with so much melisma and polyphony that the words are stretched out and sung over each other? No.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Palestrina was simplifying things in Italy too.

[@williamababio6616]

Hello brother Jamal , thanks for the history , it's very educational .

[@keithsnyder4417]

This music harkens me back to when I was 8 years old and in church! Great time , my friends, great times! My eyes tear up because where has that time gone! You could listen to this music without having to be shocked with that word coming up (i.e. starts with an "f" and sound like "suck"!) I amazed how degraded our time has deteriorated to the point where we made "millionaires" out of these poor pathetic souls! Keep up the great work!

[@kactus_3008]

You have spoken the Truth, my friend. Bless You!

[@ClaudiaGarcia-lw1zi]

Vaughan Williams' ''Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis'' brought me here! So glad it did! :3

[@johnwalters1341]

If you liked the Tallis Fantasia, try RVW's G minor mass.

[@elizabethsohler6516]

Speaking of gifted composers...

[@francoislebedel4428]

Quelle merveille. La filiation avec la Messe de Notre-Dame de Machaut est certes lointaine, mais l'émotion est la même. J'aime tout particulièrement la musique anglaise de la renaissance: Byrd, Tallis, Dowland, Morley...quelle splendeur !

[@BigfistJP]

Merci infiniment. Je suis d'accord et j'aime tous que Tallis a compose.

[@JanKlassiek]

Beautiful tempo, voices etc. etc. Lovely, listen...!

[@BramVanhooydonck]

frank lahaye Dan heb je nog geen 6 stemmen gehoord. Tallis heeft nog een prachtig stuk geschreven genaamd 'Videte Miraculum', wat zoveel betekent als 'Aanschouw het wonder'. En het lied is me nogal eens een wonder.

[@WilliamBlaky]

+Bram Van Hooydonck Bedankt voor de tip. Fantastisch, inderdaad een wondertje!

[@alejandrovitali7107]

Beautiful combination of heavenly voices .. I really like!!

[@marthaselvaperlinger4205]

beautiful music - i love TALLIS !!!!!

[@hudsonbailey674]

Otherworldly, transcendental. So what more has this rich world have that lies beneath mortal senses?

[@robtandancam]

People I have journeyed tonight from Ashra, mahavishnu orchestra, crass & to this because i had to. I am humbled by this, I am awed by this, I am stunned by this. whenever you journey through youtube please come back to the basics. Thanks so much for this.

[@BytebroUK]

I agree. It is a joy to hear such complex simplicity.

[@johnmanganaro8478]

robtandancam Very apt phrase: "journey through youtube." That's exactly the right way to use this amazing piece of technology. I like to think about what Tallis or any other pillar of music history would think about our ability to share these pieces, all these works in such high quality, instantly, worldwide.

[@robtandancam]

sorry

[@adamsendler388]

I feel like I am in heaven!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!

[@fazbell]

Gorgeous Mass. Thank you, Mr. Tallis

[@isabelcoffey7850]

This mass is beautiful.

[@williamababio6616]

Yes , Tallis normally is , very unique and alternative

[@gerarddelpech9213]

Thomas tallis, un des plus grands compositeurs de tous les temps et dont la renommée est encore trop méconnue en France

[@Santasbestbuddy]

Such beautiful singing and musical timing from the conductor!

[@MedievalRichard]

Some magnificent voices.

[@andrew01]

11:37 that "Amen" is just beautiful

[@yolandathiele776]

This music brings out the sage in me.

[@Fox1nDen]

Tallis was gifted and gifted with opportunity that allowed his works to be known widely and preserved. Blessed and blessed, says me, and blessed again to have appreciative listeners so many years after these were written. It is no wonder Vaughan Williams took inspiration from him--the wonder is that so many others who may have done the same did not credit him, as we can tell from here. Mr. Huffhines might know who else preserved Tallis in later choral works, here and there. Or Malloyism. If you are aware, direct me to some more works that show they learned from Tallis.

[@cuddlebutt5197]

Fox1nDen lol hey wtf

[@eirikmagnuslarssen4242]

Fox1nDen I'm not particularly into this sort of music, but my wife is. I have to admit this is lovely to listen to.

[@Fox1nDen]

Eirik Magnus Larssen Music soothes the savage breast, indeed, just like Shakespeare said. It is our link to the spiritual. Harmony is a poetic image for the best things in life, people having joy in right relationship simultaneously. I find it is also healing, so this is included in my hospice playlist. Don't we all need hospice sometimes?

[@eirikmagnuslarssen4242]

Fox1nDen Well, I always find my hospice and my shelter from the storms of life in the deep emotional bond I have with my lady. She's fairly spiritual minded, whereas I'm more practical minded. We compliment each other well.

[@Fox1nDen]

Eirik Magnus Larssen Sounds like. You are blessed.

[@rooiezita1]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooh my lord! this is out of this world!

[@hudsonbailey674]

Marianne Van Eynde, my expressions almost entirely. Yet, at my late age, what if what we were hearing was a glimpse of a heaven veiled before our earthly eyes? Thank you for your rich input. It's the soul!

[@juliepritchard6792]

Humanity in full voice.

[@eirikmagnuslarssen4242]

Julie Ann Pritchard Humanity is much more than just us Europeans.

[@weiland24]

+Eirik Magnus Larssen 😕...😧

[@caudyemmanuel6989]

Merveilleusement merveilleux Une jouissance auditive....

[@ChessRep]

Wonderful mass, thanks a lot for sharing!

[@pink7732]

wow this is really quite beautiful

[@BernardBaars]

wonderful - amazing

[@modyson2853]

Just lovely.

[@Tuor1993]

Commovente!È un invito alla preghiera e alla contemplazione!

[@Polomokipo23]

Eternel grandiose la musique de la renaissance Dufay Browne Bird Obrecht Ockeghem Victoria Palestrina Gabrieli Gesualdo Des Prez Lassus Rore Tallis Tinctoris Marenzio et tant d autres merci.

[@danieleduardomartin5399]

Bellísimo!!!!

[@us-Bahn]

The amens sound compressed. They are so lush and jammy and sound marvelous when taken at a slower tempo.

[@larryhageman8163]

Bravo!

[@englishrose47]

Sublime

[@solcalderon726]

Bella. Inmortal. Bendito sea Dios!

[@wmmckee]

Beautiful!

[@lylerubins9159]

This is a great song and perfoance.

[@Avinakayjoon]

I feel like I'm the only teen who would listen to this kind of music

[@katerinajanova8135]

You are not... :)

[@AlainNaigeon]

Eve, during summer courses I've met young people learning to play and sing that sort of music, and enjoying it !

[@hudsonbailey674]

I too was a teen whose secular self was lifted into the divine. Masterfully crafted to convert many to another, endless place, somewhere.

[@gavinf.7890]

You'd be surprised... except you're probably not even a teen anymore lol

[@toompyfloyd4074]

@@gavinf.7890 lol Hello there😄

[@nightpuppett1]

All I can say is beautiful....

[@namiqui]

4 voices at one time. there may be more than 4 performing. as for democracy, the journey more interesting than the destination.

[@davidpeteriarussi7956]

Thomas Tallis or Tallys as he spelled it, was a self-proclaimed Roman Catholic through all the years of the persecution of Catholics in Anglican England. Well known as such he was so respected by Anglican forces in power that he was never sanctioned, arrested, or even blacklisted from creating and performing his prolific works. He spent most of his eighty years as an esteemed composer and musician in an age as is ours, of change, controversy, division, wars, crimes against humanity simultaneously coupled with acts of courage, mercy, forgiveness, discovery, science, exploration and the perfection of literature and painting. His music quelled the warring hearts bringing with its sublime harmonies a reconciliation of the beast within that quelled the fires of hatred that even now can be felt - experienced in-toto after four and half centuries of the greatest and fastest changes in history yet the effect of these harmonies remain unchanged on the human heart. 93

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

You’ve tried to make some thoughtful points but spoiled them by the entirely contradictory, and highly selective nonsense in the first two paragraphs. (I suggest you re-read the first two paragraphs). Just for the record, religious persecutions were carried out by all sides. The c.300 ‘heretics’ burned at the stake - including the Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Cranmer - by the Catholic Queen Mary I between 1553 and 1558 topping everything. Tallis - and Byrd - both accommodated themselves to the situation in England very easily, and received a number of significant rights and privileges under Elizabeth I; they most certainly were not persecuted, nor were they victims ‘...through all the years of the persecution of Catholics in Anglican England’.

[@leonardodavidcl]

Esto es maravilloso!!!!!

[@carloslopezluna]

SIEMPRE HERMOSO!!!!

[@amandah.416]

Fantastico!

[@billleland5909]

Dear KZbin, Why, oh why do you find it necessary to interrupt such heavenly music with your cheesy ads???

[@jorgearmasiparraguirre9476]

Música muy especial y pensar que estamos hablando del renacimiento, algo más de 500 años.

[@diegocorrea2814]

Excepcional!

[@grantkoeller8911]

"Cantus Firmus example L'homme armé". Over 40 settings are known, including two by Josquin des Prez

[@LaEstacionFlamenca]

Una maravilla

[@3113v3n11]

Came here after listening to Eric p Dollard : the supernatural power of music

[@BytebroUK]

There's no attribution that I can see - who are this choir? Just superb, IMHO.

[@egparis18]

+Keith Willis I'd guess it's the Tallis Scholars. Perhaps if you Googled them you could find out for sure. :)

[@arguspanoptes9510]

Keith Willis chapelle du roi. 8 piece group from London

[@robinterkzer8128]

Wondrous ! xxxxxxx

[@marilisestival8938]

As vezes é muito bom curtir essas vozes maravilhosas pra fugir um pouco desse mundo cao....se bem que nessa época o mundo era pior....acho.

[@SwagAngel96]

i love it ;)

[@patriciagriswold6798]

LOVELY !!!

[@scottmendelson4423]

There is no instrument like the human voice.

[@elizabethsohler6516]

Created by the Father. Other instruments are too, but not so directly.

[@369maja]

💖

[@CPorter]

An article about music from the last 1000 years from Naxos Records brought me here

[@mariamanuelalago3979]

Maravilhoso

[@addison167]

11:37 That Amen---man.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

+Malloyism Yes, quite. Finally, you notice Berlioz and his wonderfully spiritual music. Although he did not like the Catholic church at all, he did have an innate and ineffable spirituality.

[@Labroidas]

who are the performers? Mention them please. It is very disrespectful towards the performers to use their stuff and not mention them.

[@jervilan]

+Labroidas You're right, ill add their name.

[@DavidNesbit_theTHINKER]

The performers are an 8 singer ensemble, Chapelle du Roi, who are based in London, England..Enjoy!

[@tasoskolokas8443]

I had this beautiful track next to my "slayer" playlist 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@acerb4566]

This is now an (Honor Song) for Charles 1st! ............Eternal Damnation to the devil Cromwell!!

[@aristotle358]

Does anyone know how to reply to comments since youtube changed things yet again? There seem to be no reply button. Also my comments do not appear on my feed on my channel page. Any clues anybody?

[@aristotle358]

***** Thanks

[@acerb4566]

Half the fuckwit techs at KZbin should be hanged, drawn, and quartered!! They totally wrecked what was a very easy to use, colorful site!

[@johnervin8033]

Such genius, not heard often enough the past centuries, much like Heinrich Schutz who is immortal as a music maker. But too rarely heard. Gabriieli canzone for brass chorales live forever, in my inner ear. Why are all these so neglected, compared to literature by Shakespeare from the same era, and who is overperformed?

[@paulneilan2736]

Hard to believe that's four voices. Or do they mean four types of voices? Great either way, of course...

[@TheApostleofRock]

+Paul Neilan I suspect it means parts by voices. I think that's typically the case. But in either case, it's still probably only two people per voice. Stellar musicians, no doubt.

[@hudsonbailey674]

Paul Neilan, I'm speaking merely from inspiration. Let's for a minute say it's only four voices in the human realm. I'm not embarrassed to utter "angels". Thank you. I heard these supernal sounds in UK the years back.

[@jannekekloos]

@ jervilan, Can you please tell me who the performers are?? It's such a beautyful performance!!

[@jannekekloos]

***** Thank you, but I think it might be another choir/group. And yes, i have heard The Tallis Scholars, but not yet the Missa Gloria. Will look it up! Thanks!!

[@jannekekloos]

***** just heard a little part of it, will listen to some more tomorrow! read your comment on the Gloria part and saw that you heard them live, that must have been a great experience! The mass for 4 voices is my bedtime music for a week now, it allways calms me down. So from the Netherlands : goodnight!

[@TimWard1]

Janneke Kloos Indeed, another group, not the Tallis Scholars. According to the credits above, it is performed by Chapelle du Roi.

[@GrzegorzNowacki]

Beautiful ♩ ツ

[@eulero75]

Why does it begin with Gloria and not with Kyrie????????????

[@thatmolloy]

Kyries were rare in Sarum Rite mass settings. They were omitted because of the use of tropes on festal occasions.

[@hudsonbailey674]

Eulero, indeed in my submission to the elevation afforded by Tallis, I inquired as to the regrettable absence of the Kyrie.

[@romearomeo]

Musica divina

[@harlindon1748]

Are catholic or anglican these chants?

[@maryelisabeth7167]

Catholic.

[@TheApostleofRock]

I wish that I could write music too

[@TheGrandBrand]

+TheApostleofRock It's a skill you can learn. First step is playing by ear, next step is improvising and/or composing yourself. It is often helpful to learn basic theory and music notation.

[@carolineleiden]

+TheGrandBrand Improvising a second voice or a basso continuo as an accompanyment live with any song you hear playing somewhere is a good exercise. Do it in major and minor and it will train you for polyfonic writing. It will become a second nature quickly and much more gratifying than just singing along.

[@samuelhalim8450]

How come this mass does not start with Kyrie first? But with Gloria

[@bloodspatteredguitar]

The English liturgy of the time often used a troped Kyrie (containing extra lyrics, or tropes) which was sometimes considered part of the Mass propers rather than the Mass ordinary. Tropes have fallen out of fashion since, and the Kyrie is firmly established as part of the ordinary.

[@kimwaite6865]

anyone got the lyrics in english ler

[@davetubervid]

What happened to the Kyrie?

[@bloodspatteredguitar]

The English liturgy of the time often used a troped Kyrie (containing extra lyrics, or tropes) which was sometimes considered part of the Mass propers rather than the Mass ordinary. Tropes have fallen out of fashion since, and the Kyrie is firmly established as part of the ordinary.

[@satoua1]

Where's the Kyrie?

[@franklinohlin8224]

who is justin beeber? (sic)

[@joshuasica7955]

Not sure on that pronunciation.. I distinctly heard a "g" sound when they sung "Iesu".

[@DieFlabbergast]

Ecclesiastical music in Britain does not use historically correct Latin pronunciation (i.e., the pronunciation employed by the Romans themselves); it uses the Italianate pronunciation followed by the Catholic church. For example, _pace_ in Classical Latin would be "pak-eh," but is pronounced "pa-cheh" in all church music - particularly classical music works such as masses and requiems from the 16th to 20th centuries. _Excelsis_ should be pronounced "ex-kelsis," but instead "ex-selsis" is used. And _agnus_ (lamb) should be "agg-nus" but is pronounced "an-yus."

[@sauljeromesanjuan4641]

This is a historically reconstructed pronunciation as it was assumed to have been sung in England at the time (eg. "sabaoth" pronounced as "sa-bei-oth"). Note Charpentier's Te Deum is often performed in French Latin (eg. pleni sõnt çeli et terra) and Bach's Magnificat in German Latin (eg. kvia fetsit mihi mag-na). The current standard pronunciation for church and classical music is based on Italian, though many Germans still insist on a hard g on "agimus" ("aghimus" spelled in Italian orthography) for common usage.

[@DeusVivus]

The new KZbin reply and comments system s***. But the music is great.

[@jiyujizai]

😄🤗💛🌿💙

[@brysonstevens1431]

No Kyrie?

[@bloodspatteredguitar]

The English liturgy of the time often used a troped Kyrie (containing extra lyrics, or tropes) which was sometimes considered part of the Mass propers rather than the Mass ordinary. Tropes have fallen out of fashion since, and the Kyrie is firmly established as part of the ordinary.

[@harrybradford1501]

is this pre-reformation music?

[@hudsonbailey674]

Thank you, Harry Bradford, I believe as Tallis was a glorious member of Henry VIII's Court he was coterminous with the Reformation and afterwards. Tallis, I'm convinced was inspired.

[@carlosrodriguezotero9290]

Sanctus - 11:57

[@carlosrodriguezotero9290]

Agnus - 17:50

[@christaschrama8670]

koffiezetapparaat

[@ell635]

I can twerk to this.

[@ZephyrusSmiles]

I'd watch that

[@bleda7612]

Fuck popular culture and it's slaves

[@GP421]

+Bleda Huh?

[@davidebert2066]

}pzf

[@minosabie1]

I hope they stop sing them next week,

[@Th3RedWolf]

It's alright but SepticFlesh are far better.

[@mrnnhnz]

Generally exceptionally nice. Almost all of the false relations came through very pleasingly, and it was sung with clarity and, generally speaking, faithfulness to the music. Shame about some of the pronunciation though. For example, 'excelsis' is pronounced 'egg-shell-cease,' 'coeli' as 'chay-lee,' and 'pacem' as 'par-chem.' Incorrect pronunciation detracts from my enjoyment. I'm aware of various schools of thought on the subject. None of them are more 'right' than the others (as a general rule,) -including what I've indicated above- so why not stick to the traditional pronunciation that most people around the world already know and embrace? "Because we're trying to be all nouveau artsy-fartsy," is not a valid reply...

[@Samurai8989]

It's Ecclesiastical Latin , i.e. the form of Latin in which this piece would have been sung in and the form which continues to be sung in every Catholic Church worldwide. The pronunciation is correct.

[@golden-63]

The Texan Traditionalist Not exactly. In ecclesiastical Latin the "Italianate" pronunciation is considered standard. e.g. excelsis--x-chell-cease, coeli--chay-lee, etc. In truth, most countries with a Catholic tradition have added their own idiosyncrasies to the traditional pronunciation. The Latin used here is what they would have used in England at the time it was composed.

[@heliotropezzz333]

+mrnnhnz I was brought up a catholic and learned Latin in a catholic school. I agree with you on the pronounciation of coeli and pacem. Excelsis I would say is pronouced eggs chell cis. At least that's how we sung it.

[@john3260]

mrnnhnz The singers are using the historically correct Latin pronunciation (i.e. the Latin pronunciation that the Romans themselves would have used).

[@sauljeromesanjuan4641]

Y'all are partially correct. This is a historically reconstructed pronunciation as it was assumed to have been sung in England at the time (eg. "sabaoth" pronounced as "sa-bei-oth"). Note Charpentier's Te Deum is often performed in French Latin (eg. pleni sõnt çeli et terra) and Bach's Magnificat in German Latin (eg. kvia fetsit mihi mag-na). The current standard pronunciation for church and classical music is based on Italian, though many Germans still insist on a hard g on "agimus" ("aghimus" spelled in Italian orthography) for common usage.

[@alpspitz1]

Looks a bit like a hippie Mind you, I wear my hair long like that these days since I retired.... He married Joan but children had none....she outlived him by4 years.... Maybe he was a Jaffe?

[@scottstrgacich1417]

There exists no accurate contemporary likeness of Tallis. The picture you see was made over a century after his death. It's very possible he looked nothing like that, although this portrait was probably used as the template for the Thomas Tallis character in Showtime's The Tudors.

[@nathannankivell522]

fake

[@poembryo]

Your rotting soul is stinking up the place. A pity really.

[@johnries5593]

I doubt that. It seems to me that both words and music are completely sincere, as misguided as you may find them.

[@DancerMililiVantili]

"adžimus" tibi? wtf? LATIN!

[@johnbrown9439]

Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam. I think the effect you refer to is caused by one voice getting to the "s" on the end of Gratias, just as another voice gets to "agimus", so that the "g" is softened to "gs" which we hear as "adzimus".

[@johnbrown9439]

Also, searching around there exists a text containing "adsimus" which Tallis might have been referring to, rather obliquely. "igitur quia nos ut affinitas, ita studia iunxerunt, precor, quoquo loci es, amicitiae iura inconcussa custodias longumque tibi etsi sede absumus, adsimus affectu; cuius intemeratae partes, quantum spectat ad vos, a nobis in aevum, si quod est vitae reliquum, perennabuntur. vale." The Elizabethan era was apparently full of hidden codes

[@johnbrown9439]

I found a translation of the above: "Since, then, our family connexion and our studies thus unite us, preserve the laws of friendship unshaken, wherever your abode may be; though my home is far from yours, let our hearts draw nearer by virtue of this affection, which I for my part will keep inviolate as long as breath remains in my body. Farewell. " Could Tallis have been sending a message to an old friend?

[@johnbrown9439]

Sorry, I forgot to give the origin of the text: Sidonius Apollinaris, Letters. Book IV Apparently he was a fifth century Gallo-Roman aristocrat and Bishop of Clermont. Somebody else writes: "Sidonius Apollinaris (5 November of an unknown year, c. 430 - August 489 AD), was a poet, diplomat, and bishop. Sidonius is "the single most important surviving author from fifth-century Gaul" ". Exactly the sort of person a Roman Catholic with friends fleeing to France, might want to quote. I imagine when they studied Latin together, this text would have been used.

[@sauljeromesanjuan4641]

This is a historically reconstructed pronunciation as it was assumed to have been sung in England at the time (eg. "sabaoth" pronounced as "sa-bei-oth"). Note Charpentier's Te Deum is often performed in French Latin (eg. pleni sõnt çeli et terra) and Bach's Magnificat in German Latin (eg. kvia fetsit mihi mag-na). The current standard pronunciation for church and classical music is based on Italian, though many Germans still insist on a hard g on "agimus" ("aghimus" spelled in Italian orthography) for common usage.

[@romearomeo]

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