GROOVE METAL THEN VS. NOW

[@mattbrown7001]

I’ve learned about a bunch of new songs and bands from these then vs now videos I otherwise probably wouldn’t have checked them out or heard about. So thanks for being my music plug.

[@ThomasHogue]

Awesome!

[@therewasascene]

Same here. Instantly made note of the newer ones

[@LucatielLucynda]

Literally why I love youtubers like this, always a gateway to metal I haven't heard before

[@troymartinez3923]

YES!!!!!!!

[@TrevorCollin_]

Can't we all just agree that groove metal has just stayed beautiful throughout its existence?

[@simonize251]

I don’t dig the new djent kiddy shit myself

[@TheBanana93]

@@simonize251 Then don't listen to it but don't knock it lol. Might introduce people to the stuff you like. At the end of the day mate its all metal and its better than pop so can't we all just get along??

[@digitalmortality2001]

@@TheBanana93I'm all for letting people enjoy things as long as they aren't shit

[@ripit.3457]

@@digitalmortality2001thankfully, not everyone is as obnoxious as you.

[@digitalmortality2001]

@@ripit.3457 i can only hope most people actually have good taste

[@NelsonBlakeII]

I got an extra grey hair in my goatee when I saw Lamb of God in the ‘then’ section.

[@ThomasHogue]

😂. Them and devildriver could have gone either way

[@TheBanana93]

LOG are still the kings

[@gingerjam2192]

@@ThomasHogueGojira too

[@justsomeguy2564]

Agreed, I get the same feeling when I remember the first time I saw Lamb of god live is old enough to buy alcohol.

[@justinricey5496]

Saw LOG when i was 18 and again at 33 and seeing how much John’s hair has gone white (on bass) has made me go, damn am I getting old?

[@Alan_Duval]

I definitely feel like the earlier stuff is groovier, the later stuff is just rhythmically complicated, which is not the same thing. That said, the Gojira riff was probably groovier than the Exhorder one that followed it. Go figure.

[@SuperJohnWho]

You're right modern groove is more tech/prog stuff, I really love it

[@brabiz67]

Idk man the Exhorder one felt way groovier to me

[@shane727]

I don't even think it's apples to apples

[@WRXBase]

I thought the same thing with groove vs rhythm.

[@FG-vp6id]

exhordee one was way more groovy

[@calmbeholder]

To me it sounds like: Traditional Groove Metal vs. Progressive/Technical Groove Metal. I prefer classical stuff - heavy and catchy 🎸🤘

[@thomasreed4855]

Listen to Cirkus bred like mice

[@oscaralejandro5990]

I really like more the old school Groove Metal, it had more bounce, riffs really make you wanna headbang

[@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м]

And most importantly its not agressive enough to make you want to break someones face

[@thesolersystemofgames841]

It almost has the nu metal bounce

[@jamellelangfordiii3586]

​@thesolersystemofgames841 what do you think nu metalers listened to?

[@thehellsinger345]

That’s why Lamb of God is my all time favorite metal band. They consistently deliver pure American groove metal 🔥

[@lendariorandom]

Living Sacrifice yet

[@TrinityMartin1]

While both have nice riffs, the modern groove metal often loses the "groove" in favor of overly complicate guitar riffs and drums beats, which defeats the purpose sometimes of creating a groove. Most of that old school stuff was heavy and straight 4/4 time signatures you could bob your head to easily.

[@Fails0fGames]

Exacly. Thats the point of groove metal. To be honest author could find better examples for modern groove that you are looking for like: Malevolence, Guilt trip, War of ages. These are more true modern groove.

[@jasonbritt2497]

Modern sounds entirely to muttled with the exception of a few bands

[@stephenegan2812]

Yes yes yes. The modern is not grove. Groove metal is simple riff but played well. Well played riff with to much going on is not groove. The term goove it to groove with the riff. Not wonder how or what he's playing. Pantera and Tommy iomy said the simple riff is always gonna be the best. Look at walk Pantera.

[@papichulobr]

90s groove metal...was damn good

[@blackassasin1079]

90's groove metal... Will always on 🔥

[@newmachine00]

Yeah!!! finally my subgenre! Long live Groove Metal and all Metal. Amazing bands btw! I would love to have seen some other bands (Dagoba, Bury Your Dead, Throwdown, DamagePlan, Hellyeah - that 1rst album man!, Alien Weaponry, Byzantine, Hacride, Ektomorf, Lazarvs, Motograter). Thanks great video

[@ericposch6951]

Psycroptic is a bit more on the tech death side, but is super groovy. For those who like this style, I'd give them a shot!

[@IlijaStajic]

Great list, playing and vid :) Malevolence also got some mad groove too btw

[@FallenFromGrace72]

Thanks for throwing in Davidian!!!!!!🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻

[@xCreepyKidsx]

Pissing Razors - Burning Bridges is a super groovy riff if no one's heard it before. I remember hearing it back in highschool and digging it.

[@k0d0n]

pissing razors does not get talked about enough!!! "in spite of my scars" is a banger too

[@lj2040]

These videos are just a fantastic concept. Production, choice everything is top notch

[@ThomasHogue]

Love to hear it! Thank you

[@hosdrummer6735]

Completely agree. Maybe you’ve already posted one but I’d love to see a behind the scenes or a “making of” video. It must be a ton of work coming up with the set list, programming the drums, laying down the guitars, mixing etc…. Etc I’m guessing that by the time you get to the video work, all the audio is largely complete so you’re maybe playing “air guitar” to your own recordings? The technique really doesn’t matter much because the end result is just plain awesome! Just be fun to see how you do it.

[@ThomasHogue]

@@hosdrummer6735 Thanks! And yep, you pretty much nailed it haha. It does take a long time to produce the audio especially. I've toyed with the idea about filming more of the process but never actually done it. Maybe I finally will!

[@PrakharPlaysGuitars]

Huge +1.. would love to see a behind the scenes of this video. Thanks Thomas!

[@FRANK45CASTLE]

this is awesome my friend

[@secularspectator]

Maybe because I am old man, but love the older stuff. Great playing and vid mate😁

[@ChickenJoe-tq6xd]

I’m 20 and prefer the old stuff and my favorite band is Pantera 😂

[@BashUin2Pieces]

These picks are all amazing. Groove Metal is my favorite genre I'd say, so this video is made for someone like me. Loving the content

[@ThomasHogue]

Great to hear! Thanks for the kind words

[@KillroyLP]

Fear Factory - Replica - what a groove

[@retroquest3579]

Great playing! Those NJ Deluxe models really are something special. I own all 3 models and love them to death.

[@Terrierized]

Not such a groove fan.... but some classics here with Dimebag and Machine Head and Fear Factory.. Super stuff Hogey 🎸👉

[@alexskibicki2262]

Awesome clip, Thomas 😎🤘🏻🎸 I like groove metal as well as other genres of metal like heavy, thrash, doom, and industrial just to name a few. Plus I’m a huge fan of pantera, exhorder, and fear factory.

[@sinner13halloweenfiend76]

The new groove just don't have that catchiness that the old skool style has lol

[@ramon2008]

New shit sounds all the same. Older stuff had more “color” to it

[@ThurFallen]

It was more "pop",but in a good way​@@ramon2008

[@Ironbound19]

Tremendous add placement!! A Black Female hair product, ordering now!!

[@kevin.jenkins]

i love Jinjer and Bleed from Within but didn't realize they were being classified as groove metal. either way, good video 🤘

[@maurobertolone5198]

Welll, it doesn't sound groove and it's metalcore

[@edwardijoe]

@@maurobertolone5198 bro couldn't be more wrong, go listen to Ruina and Utopia by Bleed and you'll see why they're heavily influenced by groove metal. Their band literally started because of Pantera and LOG.

[@TheBanana93]

@@maurobertolone5198 Groovy metalcore?

[@joshforeman1648]

They could both definitely be classed as groove metal imo. Basically zero hardcore influence and they have both stated groove metal bands as their influences

[@prodigy-ke7sl]

It’s heavily groove metal influenced metalcore. I wouldn’t outright call Bleed From Within or Jinjer groove metal though.

[@sentenced03]

Aw man byzantine would have been an awesome one for this. Cool video, all great bands.

[@proyhoyhoy]

As The Palaces Burn is in the "then" side? Wow I feel old. And praises to these twins, they got an awesome taste in music.

[@Metal_Matt]

I'd consider 20 years ago "then" lol

[@benwilkonski8635]

As The Palaces Burn has some of my favorite riffs

[@Brandonmtlhd]

I feel like the modern groove bands are just way too concerned with writing "busy" riffs, rather than just writing a good one. The difference is apparent when you compare them.

[@melasdemhat6792]

Nice observation, dude.

[@TheStrykerProject]

I was contemplating noting this, too. Maybe I'm just old, but the constant noodling is starting to wear thin for me. Personally, I love a good, heavy, solid groove.

[@kalamay]

Tru

[@humb1s3rvant]

I am a big fan of Revocation. They have some good grooves, but sometimes I'm just like, man I need a break from all those notes

[@beattookon3562]

TRUE

[@honestwords8213]

Big thanx! Great stuff! The only band I miss is PRONG. For me...they invented this style. And their new albums are also great!

[@ForLorNVuLgaR]

Glad to see new DD in the list im sure MS appreciates it

[@GnildnewOfficial]

Dudeee I love employed to serve 🤘

[@thecognitivediscourse316]

Somewhere we lost focus and stopped making riffs that were fun and memorable and just decided to see who could make the most complex riffs...its the "i can play faster than anyone else" thing all over again

[@DreyzieArt]

Agreed. I have a hard time finding modern bands that don't do that and it's a shame. It makes all the songs sound exactly the same and there's nothing to really headbang to. Maybe you'll get 10 seconds of a catchy riff, but that's it. One band I'm glad I found though is Sanguisugabogg. They're technically Death Metal, but they have some really dirty, catchy riffs that get stuck in my head.

[@ChickenJoe-tq6xd]

We should’ve learned that when malmsteen started making music, yea he’s complex and fast and it’s cool at first but then gets old fast and theirs nothing memorable or emotional about it, that’s why Dime is my ranked 1 guitarist, he knew the true essence of music and that all that technicality and complex theory is bs

[@thecognitivediscourse316]

@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd very true ...I will always pick groove over speed and complexity

[@failtolawl]

I was never too interested in this genre because I really just didn't like Pantera. But hearing all these other bands really opened my eyes to this genre.

[@ketobeast8489]

Sorry about your lack of good taste 😂

[@oldscratch3535]

Doesn't like Pantera? I don't think I could ever talk to you. Pantera is more than Walk and Cowboys From Hell.

[@handj4eternity]

Metal elitists 👆

[@oldscratch3535]

@@handj4eternity If being right is being an elitist then I'll take it. Saying you like metal but don't like Pantera, is like saying you like Italian food but you don't like pasta. The shit just don't make sense.

[@brunogasparoto7150]

Groove Metal nowadays its like metalcore 2. Btw amazing video bro, keep this good work

[@SuperJohnWho]

Older stuff sounds like thrash 2

[@Quetzalcoatl0]

amazing as always.

[@ThomasHogue]

Thank you!

[@TheBenAustin1986]

That BC Rich is way too cool.

[@abdifatahomar2104]

Hey Thomas! love your videos! Was wondering if you are going to do sequal to that deathcore vid you did a while back. If so, a few suggestions are Shrine of Malice, Oceano and To The Grave.

[@ThomasHogue]

Thank you, noted!! Possibly

[@Jacksonnnnnnnnnnnnn]

I love your videos so godamn much man

[@mattmiller4821]

OK, this guy included FF and Sepultura. You sir, are rad

[@ProducerRyan]

amazing tones holy

[@Arkansauce76]

I like the 'then' grooves better. You can nod your head to it, head bang, tap your foot etc. the 'now' riffs are to tech sounding, like just trying to play fast technical shit is the key component instead of playing what sounds good.

[@sixtofive]

Great Mashup!! 🔥 🎸

[@rosskane2971]

Was like lamb of god in the then category??? Then realised that album is 20 years old, so now I feel old 😂

[@user-ct3ml6iu4n]

This is epic and excellent slaying, may I ask how you got such ab amazing guitar tone?

[@kalamay]

Old groove is king. Always, man

[@sangramos]

Devil driver absolutely takes the cake for modern. All the classic stuff was great!

[@WarriorEsoteric]

This is badass all the way around

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

Don't know any other band from modern than Gojira but they are my favourite groove metal band (I know Jinjer but heard only their metalcore stuff). From old times I love that Machine Head is still going, their last album was cool.

[@mineofilms]

2 bands I currently listen to that sound groovy to me and sort have picked up the Pantera sound are Wake Up Frankie, where some of their licks sound exactly like Dime and Upon A Burning Body, where much of their newer material over the past 5-7 years have taken on a more Pantera vibe.

[@BadWallaby]

Ginjer to Lamb of God transition is so fucking good

[@Star_Krystal_Assault]

Exhorder❤

[@Weretarantula5]

Love the discoveries to be had from this. Great vid and playing!

[@emme3322]

Amazing songs 🤘

[@CowOfTheSea-6]

Best modern groove metal band in my opinion is Shovelhead A.D. one of my favorite bands I general

[@Twy7chTec_Shop]

👏👏👏👏 well done 👍 good sir!

[@Monaro400]

Awesome to see Exhorder getting some recognition.

[@lord_eko]

That Upon A Burning Body tho 👀 shit was actually groovin

[@mickanon5607]

Exhorder. Enough said. The kings of groove metal.

[@Fukuoyu]

Pissing Razors, Invocator, Hellgarden, Sign of the Southern Cross: a few lesser known Groove Metal bands 🤘🏻🍻

[@n1nj4l1nk]

Wtf, I live near Glasgow and yet I'm only just finding out about bleed from within 😲

[@DarkLordAres]

Seeing As the Palaces Burn in "Then" makes me feel old 😂

[@terriblecertainity]

besides Devildriver and Jinjer,all the "modern" examples are Metalcore

[@burneraccounthandle]

gojira?

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

Jinjer is the most metalcore band from all these

[@xijingping3899]

@@syntezjaofficial4240 How?

[@ConnorHammond]

Nice playing, mate! Not really heard the term groove metal before. I suppose it's any metal that is considered 'groovy'? lol

[@Black55478]

I love bleed from within

[@g.o.a.t2132]

bro is a young verion of tha onne "black metal vs" guy

[@Geirr9]

More evidence that absolutely nothing hits harder than Desecrator. Great video mate

[@assasinscreedtt6900]

Nothing can beat Pantera, ever.

[@pacovl46]

“Then” all the way!

[@my95buick]

Dude looks like a math teacher. Shreds like dimebag

[@tolgagures4585]

Groove Metal vs. Groove Metalcore

[@marquisdeceasd]

I've got to agree with the majority here. The 90's Slayer, Pantera, & Machine Head riffs were true to the Funk and R & B rule of always accentuating the "1". Which goes all the way back to the James Brown days with Bootsy Collins. If you want to keep it in the "deep pocket", you know where to put your roots. And that's why 90's metal has that foot stomping (or head moshing) groove. Modern metal explores the concept of high math, poly-rythms & other advanced timing concepts because it's never been done before. But there's still some crossover. Even Gojira's Stranded grooves like hell. Whereas Megadeth's Ashes in your mouth has note phrasing much like the new stuff. But in the end, it's all Heavy Metal & it's still alive and well. Even if it's a niche genre today. I love both the old and new & it'll never fall out of fashion.

[@willlemdefoe]

Summary: it was sick back then, and it's sick now

[@Middlestepofficial]

Could have added Chimaira - Resurrection in the new stuff. That song has easily one of the best riffs ever made. Also Lost Society - No Absolution.

[@ReaktionæreDennis]

BLEED FROM WITHIN! 🙏

[@Aeqitaz]

It has gotten more complex for sure. But honestly, it always depends on your mood what kind of music fits best for the moment.

[@AutopsySuiteable]

nice tone

[@KhaosKontroller]

I appreciate you always having different facial hair for both sides

[@ThomasHogue]

Thank you for noticing! 😂. I mean… that’s my twin totally playing at the same time 🫢

[@KhaosKontroller]

@@ThomasHogue W twin lmao

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

Then FTW!

[@angelusbellum8166]

Even if I like Gojira, Jinjer and DevilDriver, definetly THEN!

[@GnildnewOfficial]

You can't mention new Groove metal and NOT mention Slackjaw! They are fantastic! Like as if Gojira and Pantera had a love child with all that southern, groovy vibe to it

[@tommiethrash]

…gotta check that out. Groove is my favorite

[@GnildnewOfficial]

@@tommiethrash bass player/vocalist is Soup. He's a pretty popular gaming youtuber from SC. I've met him a handful of times. Super cool dude

[@thedudethatplaysguitar9882]

Saw them in Jonesboro and got on stage. Gonna see if they'll let us open next time they come around 😂

[@GnildnewOfficial]

@thedudethatplaysguitar9882 hell yeah, dude! I live in NC, so I've seen them play like 4 times 😅 It always feels good when they remember me 😌

[@GnildnewOfficial]

@thedudethatplaysguitar9882 Also, I'm interested in your channel. Could you upload some guitar content? 👀 I always love to see other guitarists work

[@dabootvv]

now I have to re-listen to all machine head, sepultura and fear factory albums THANKS! (possibly also lamb of god and bleed from within)

[@BRE1962]

BAD ASS!

[@dantebortoni]

Is the green guitar a Schecter?

[@Eirik36]

Love bleed from within

[@stephenegan2812]

The more i listen. Is this whats called groove metal these days

[@ErikBeckner93]

Bleed From Within are so underrated

[@julianthedude12]

Other than Pantera I never considered the rest of them as groove metal. Maybe 90s Sepultura because they were pretty groovy on Roots and Chaos A.D.

[@HemiSlant6828]

Old Groove Metal: Slowed down thrash with Hair Metal and Progressive Metal influences. New Groove Metal: A blend of Djent, Death Metal, Black Metal and Symphonic Metal.

[@SnakePool]

No Grip Inc.??

[@OriginPromo-py6iu]

Groove the best🤘

[@mikeydubs_tv]

So is a 7 string a necessity for modern metal ?

[@oldscratch3535]

The guitarist from Jinjer uses a baritone 6 string I think.

[@TheBanana93]

Lamb of god are the.... GOATS

[@Toxyethanol]

Cowboys From Hell curb stomps every other riff on here🤘🤠

[@mehmetgunduz6812]

Can someone write the song list please?

[@rchayes1996]

Exhorder reminds me of Powertrip. Hell yeahhhh

[@Zach4046792]

I dont think any one does groove metal better than Lamb of God, such an iconic sound in the genre... that being said i absolutely love Jinjer.

[@Old_SnakeTwitch]

Is God Of Thunder the first Groove Metal song?

[@metalhead8338]

I always seen groove metal as a mixed genre. Like a light death metal, and a strong thrash metal. Am i right, or there is another thing that is tells you that is groove metal. Btw Gojira isn't death metal?

[@ItsWhat__]

I tend to agree with you . I think Most types of metal can have groove to it …

[@usernamesareforidiot]

Gojira has spanned the gamut from prog, death, tech, and groove. From Mars to Sirius is death metal, everything since Magma feels more groove to me.

[@nufit7]

nice 🤟groove