Given your pricing, this is how I imagine the checklist for a £100 (inc. V.A.T.) EICR would look like: [ ] Radio works when plugged into socket [ ] Wires are connected inside the distribution board [ ] House is not currently on fire due to a short circuit (pass if on fire due to non-electrical causes)
@Fishbait0754 жыл бұрын
You'd even get out of the Car/Van? [ ] Property is located where address states. [ ] Property is a building. [ ] Property is not currently on fire.
@efixx4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@paulsims84614 жыл бұрын
No
@videomaster85804 жыл бұрын
5:31 "If Mrs Jones falls down the stairs and snaps her neck, thats a C2" Strangely enough C2 is one of the Vertebrae in the neck! poor old Mrs Jones.
@markrainford12193 жыл бұрын
I'll give you a thumbs up for that.
@weptbody76132 жыл бұрын
Laughed out loud to that mate. 😂
@stefanmeier67634 жыл бұрын
Pricing (Nuremberg, Germany): I only do such inspections on an hourly basis. So i would estimate around 6 Hours for that kind of building, 85€/hour + 27.50€ (Tester) + 22€ (Car - if within the town) So: 510,00€(Labour) + 27,50 (Equipment) + 22,00€ (Car) =559,50€ + 16% VAT (89,52€) = 659,02€ I know, there are guys that do it for less than 200€, but if you pay peanuts, you'll get monkeys...
@shaunsparky53544 жыл бұрын
Perhaps yours is a more suitable way of pricing....Unfortunately, being competitive (Commercially Viable) is a whole other argument! Actually, I like your model!!
@RubenKelevra4 жыл бұрын
Sounds pretty reasonable if you ask me, greetings from NRW :)
@kittsdiy4 жыл бұрын
Ok i move to Germany ..if i ask that rate in Belgium .. i don't have any custumers anymore .. the rate you ask is for a mid level IT guy in Belgium ..
@Jack-hu7cb4 жыл бұрын
I think people think the expensive contractors are ripping them off. It’s hard to find a balance between paying the least you can but still getting a good job done.
@Marco-mg9tv4 жыл бұрын
Yah right so you basically charge 1000 uros a day fair play mate. Bullshit right there
@stevehenke6784 жыл бұрын
I'd say the rcd is C3. Yeah you could argue there's a safety concern, but it's not an electrical issue. Old Fanny falling down the stairs cause the lights went off sucks, but she wasn't electrocuted.
@Dornacgove4 жыл бұрын
Who's saying I watched the door fall several times in slow mo and laughed like a crazy person? Because I definitely didn't!
@THEELECTRICSIDEOFTHINGS4 жыл бұрын
I find it fascinating the electrical difference between country have a great day and be safe 😊🇨🇦
@markrainford12193 жыл бұрын
Its "potential difference"
@EruElectrics4 жыл бұрын
A minimum of £200+VAT for an EICR in London I think is a bit cheap. To be honest I'd expect someone like you to have much better prices. Maybe that's why you end up working 12 hours, 6 days/week. I charge a minimum of £215+VAT at North Kent, losing more that I win but I didn't start my own business to work around the clock for stupid prices.
@kevinwhite23804 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm in Hertfordshire & may quote up to £300+ for some installation!! Depends on age, complexity, access, upgrades, etc...
@richardemery99112 жыл бұрын
Good to see your charging sensible rates for a comprehensive test and inspect.. those companies out there charging £85 - £100 plus the vat for testing upto 10 circuits are seriously undermining the Quality Sparkies out there.. I recently re tested a 2 bed flat which had an EICR done. Satisfactory report issued . I found 3 C1s without even trying and 5 C2s. The worst being 2 junction boxes in the loft space with no lids on. A 32 amp cooker circuit still in use but spliced into with a connector block to also run a 7.5 KW shower no RCD insight. After giving the landlord the bad news. He said that the so called test engineer was only there for 45 mins and didn’t even look in the loft space. Luckily he hadn’t paid the bill for that test.
@ryanhamdy92443 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, love watching your videos especially this one, my pricing is pretty much the same as yours mate, I charge £18.50 per circuit and £60.00 for the report. I was debating with myself as to whether I should lower my rates due to all other companies coming in at £100 or less but I’m glad you have spoken about this and I have decided fuck it! if anything my rates should be going up. Any how keep up the good work mate and you never know our paths may cross as you work in the same areas as me. 👍
@Redcricket654 жыл бұрын
8 hours ealier... That hatch knocked the r out of the word too 🤣🤣❤️
@dast_uk4 жыл бұрын
First thing i spotted haha
@markhorton85784 жыл бұрын
I liked the door drop being left in. So many of these professional videos edit out all the real life stuff.
@114hours3 жыл бұрын
My stomachs in agony and I’m fucking crying with laughter at that end bit. The whole timing of that clusterfuck is amazing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@paulmerchant90154 жыл бұрын
If front end RCD trips with correct times then C3 and if not then a C2.
@RubenKelevra4 жыл бұрын
No it's not. It shuts off the lights in the staircase, that's an issue when there's a fire. You have either battery backup on the lights per floor or you have to isolate the lights from the rest of the fuseboard.
@anoniemous21364 жыл бұрын
I would agree with Paul, I don't think that the argument about it shutting off the lights is enough because from my experience the power goes out more than an rcd trips and even if it trips then it's only possible that there will be no light (I'm assuming that there are windows in the house). Also on top of that the likelihood of someone tripping down the stairs in their own home even when it's dark is low. Now because we are talking about things with really low chance of happening are we going to consider other rare occurrences like the rcd failing closed. About the fire comment Ruben, I'm not sure what its like where you are but here the fire brigade shuts the power off from the street and what's to say that the fire won't damage the lighting circuits first? I think because of how unlikely it is that the rcd will trip this situation will generally be a C3, however one should take into consideration other factors like the age/health of the residents and the condition of the rest of the house and if there is an elevated risk of the rcd tripping and causing injuries in that specific building then classify it as a C2.
@tobysherring13694 жыл бұрын
You could argue about lights on stairs as a danger for thousands of older properties. But even with split RCD board, the light on the stairs could go off (blown lamp, circuit fault, nuisance trip, another circuit on same RCD is faulty). Even an RCBO could trip and leave you in the dark. The safety clause is about electrical wiring, not any possible imaginable scenario. A tenant could take off a faceplate and stick their hand in, but we're not going to code every faceplate as a C2.
@tonywainwright303 жыл бұрын
@@tobysherring1369 Exactly!
@jimmylovescake68133 жыл бұрын
@@RubenKelevra how many domestic properties have battery backups in lights, beyond communal?
@twowheel_enthusiast59254 жыл бұрын
With regard to your pricing it only seems expensive due to the individuals willing to do an EICR for £100 then proceeding to do 6 in a day. Im a Glasgow company and for a new domestic property we have not tested before its £30 per circuit, for that you are getting an incredibly in depth inspection. Inspections thereafter we reduce to £25 per circuit as we know the installation has been brought up to standard and testing is much more efficient. Alot of the reasoning behind people thinking £300+ expensive is that they do not understand what a proper EICR is, that also goes for the Electricians carrying them out. Its almost a box ticking exercise and it is something which needs to be addressed. The sheer amount of EICRs i have carried out, signed off by someone else not even 1 year prior and they fail after opening the first socket or light fitting. Keep up the good work and keep driving home the importance of a good electrician. Its great to see, I have many of the same traits as you with regard to doing things the absolute correct way every time and no hash bash shit 👌
@AlfsMoon4 жыл бұрын
Love this video . As an apprentice I found this really useful. Hope your head is ok after that nasty bump.
@Rose.Of.Hizaki4 жыл бұрын
Tom: "Good Afternoon..." Door: *_"let me introduce myself"_*
@Graeme5664 жыл бұрын
Tom: how I do EICR testing Door: Lol, hello
@callamtaylor3874 жыл бұрын
Never a C2 just because of stairs, I thought we code things for electrical safety I.E potential of causing death or harm through electric shock? C2 potentially dangerous under fault conditions.
@nathansheargold54134 жыл бұрын
Old firm i worked for would always c2 any non metal fuseboard under a stair case, even if it was dual rcd and they both worked fine. They said needs to be fire rated for staircase due to it being a fire escape, sometimes I was changing fuseboards that were less than a year old
@stuarnold73384 жыл бұрын
If you used a C2 because of only one RCD on a multilevel property you'd have to C2 on a split board in a property with only one lighting circuit.
@zjzozn4 жыл бұрын
Open your mind and eyes 😳
@fumthings4 жыл бұрын
@@nathansheargold5413 genuine question, did they not have fire retardant plastics then?
@TheChipmunk20084 жыл бұрын
@@nathansheargold5413 That's why I'm self employed... crap like that makes me mad. I WILL argue the toss with a boss that he or she is WRONG
@PJB714 жыл бұрын
C3 upfront rcd, C2 downlighters connections as they are not accessible, installed within the ceiling, C3 for non fire rated downlighters. Unless it was actually a fire rated ceiling. Napit code breakers does have errors, ie, cables in wall without rcd protection C2 is an error. I looked at an recent EICR on saturday completed by another electrician with his quotation for remedial’s. (The client wanted alternative quotes). The remedial’s were in excess of £1k, after reading the report & visiting the property, no remedial’s were required, the client is not happy. You can yourself into deep water if your not sure what your doing or just giving your personal thoughts on an EICR. The majority of the time you have to use your common sense & engineering judgement. We would all love to replace that old 3036 board. We can all make recommendations, but they are purely that recommendations. Pricing, if you want to do an EICR for silly low price & not inspect & test the property properly if something happens it will come back to bite the spark who signed that report. You cannot sample everything, but samples should be completed, if there are loose connections (C2), sort them out later.👍🏼
@Adit2094 жыл бұрын
Spot on mate, I’m in agreement with everything you have said, regarding the downlights and regarding other sparks remedial work lists. I’ve had one recently C2 for 6mm main bonding, C2 for plastic DB, C2 for no RCD (even though it’s a first floor flat) the list goes on. We should all know these aren’t C2s but some sparks are either ignorant or simply trying to rip people off.
@AdrianColes4 жыл бұрын
Don’t the downlights become accessible when you have to change a bulb??
@killerkhan3 жыл бұрын
Just started doing EICR's, It takes a longer than people would think. It's hard coding something as C2 or C1 because the landlord always argues it, then the estate agents get a bit annoyed. They never accept that they have get a new consumer unit. Also the estate agents bring us down to a ridiculously low price.
@doctorelectric4704 жыл бұрын
For a regular domestic property I charge £300, I win about half of them but it will take me a full day to test a property fully
@andytap5603 жыл бұрын
Completely agree i always book a half day minimum or full day
@pulseelectrical5954 жыл бұрын
Hello Tom! Pulse boys here! North London based. Our Charges: £70per board. £25per circuit. +Parking +Vat Possibly do a small discount if board has more than 10 circuits.
@rogerbean3934 жыл бұрын
What percentage do you check of the install. Hopefully you take a meter unlike Naggy !
@daveaustin534 жыл бұрын
If there’s ever a danger from lights failing (customer responsible for risk assessment), then surely the remedy is an emergency-type fitting. The cause of the power failure - RCD, MCB, power cut etc. - is besides the point.
@tonyyoung34374 жыл бұрын
TT earthing systems have RCD protection for all circuits !!!
@soundmangaz68334 жыл бұрын
Little switch on the door frame that turns the lights on whenever the door is opened?
@nicwhite15684 жыл бұрын
£30 per circuit, no extra for Db. C2 for downlight becomes dangerous when someone pulls it out the ceiling, C3 for dB not fire rated in domestic premises and a rental. Personally I would recommend dB with split or rcbo type.
@TheChipmunk20084 жыл бұрын
The codebreakers book is wrong on a few things Example, Front end RCD is fine, regardless of safety ... if 'potential to cause danger' is a C2, every house in the UK would get a C2. Lampholders can give one a belt... We tend to do lots of C3's and only C2 or C1 things that are likely to be causing problems ELECTRICALLY. Someone falling down the stairs isn't an electrical issue and has no place in an EICR Linked main switch is a C3 fo sho. Not sure the downlight would be a C1 for me... I'd call it a C2. I'd say inner core is 'the copper' not the insulation. And the coding of non fire rated downlights with a room above is one example of where the book is heinously WRONG. Not required unless it's a separate fire compartment, so no code at all. And all my disagreements above notwithstanding, we've been called to look at EICR 'unsatisfactory' results by landlords... and have ALWAYS agreed with the original inspector. We've downgraded a couple of C1's to C2's, but that's still the same ultimate result
@asherrose41143 жыл бұрын
Is it still worth buying tho?
@matt92h4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if those closet lights turn off when you shut the door.
@benevison74344 жыл бұрын
Fan isolators not required if a window installed. That’s in electricians house to building regulations. However manufacturer probably states isolator.
@graemetaylor89333 жыл бұрын
1st one of your videos I've seen, brilliant - informative & damm funny, pricing very interesting, too many people wanting us to do an EICR for under £100, all they want is the paperwork with our name on it
@nigel19644 жыл бұрын
And the lemon was holding the string attached to the wood which he pulled on and OUCH!!
@davidb35374 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, Great video, couldn't agree more with going by gut feeling, it comes with experience. I like that you sort of promoted the NAPIT code breaker book, it's about time that a decent guide was produced, it will help create some uniformity in EICR observations. I use mine to back up my observations to the client, they can't argue if its printed in black and white.
@tresslerj19854 жыл бұрын
I got code breakers, good read. Its not a Bible just a reference.
@stuarnold73384 жыл бұрын
I agree. Good book to have.
@persona2504 жыл бұрын
its someones opinion .
@leecartlidge41244 жыл бұрын
I have looked through the code breakers it's good for a reference, but some of there coding is definitely different to what the niceic say. Code breakers classes cable less than 50mm without rcd as a c2 meaning most installations Would fail Niceic recommends same fault as a c3
@solarrover95754 жыл бұрын
I agree cables in walls should definitely be a C3 if no RCD. Napit should revise their coding of C2.
@asherrose41143 жыл бұрын
Any other book similar to the code breakers that you recommend?
@chrisdorrell19773 жыл бұрын
Not only informative but comedy aswell!! Liking the channel 👌
@Mark1024MAK3 жыл бұрын
On the lighting question, how does a BC or ES lamp holder ever pass this kind of inspection? No tools required to expose live conductors… Lamp easily removable by the user…
@waynebennett86404 жыл бұрын
Doing my 2391-52 next month, thanks for the heads up with the codebreakers book. I will not be signing any installations for £100. Having a laugh, what's the point! I agree with your way of pricing or it's just not worth doing 👍. Great video Nagy
@johnyearsley79704 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant, you should be on stage thought you were so funny and the lid falling on you head I laughed so much. John
@calumclark17194 жыл бұрын
That cupboard lights I came across something similar. On a periodic inspection i put it down as a c2 but strongly advised it to be changed which they agreed too. I charge my hourly rate and it takes as long as it takes for the testing 🤷♂️ As for the client that you dont want to go back always trust your gut i completely agree
@sprax1124 жыл бұрын
I have never in the history of having a KZbin channel liked a video with in the first two seconds, you poor bastard haha! All the best bud!
@jmohammad37624 жыл бұрын
Like you pricing Tom. Unfortunately I don't have clients like yourself my clients cry and whinge for £150 saying I'm too expensive. And I do them according to guidance note 3 no short cuts. Wish you best of luck if your getting that sort of money.
@teamsjonline3 жыл бұрын
Cor, and I thought I had a bad day trying to find a fault on a ring, least I didn't have a door fall on me!
@peterg.82454 жыл бұрын
I love how any object can be turned into a cutting insult by putting proper before it.
@tresslerj19854 жыл бұрын
6:48 C3, 7:20 C3, 8:00 C3, 9:20 I would C2 but its not readily accessible you needed a ladder and you had to remove the lamp, 12:14 C3 with FI as it's not good with the C1/2 any way,
@megazeus79724 жыл бұрын
There is no C3 with FI, it's one of the other
@cjmillsnun4 жыл бұрын
Lack of discrimination on RCD protection as shown is C3. By risk of danger, they are referring to risk of shock.
@shorty57red4 жыл бұрын
Just redone my 18th edition We must not use discrimination anymore we now have to use selectivity to be politically correct.
@tomorichard4 жыл бұрын
I believe the first defect you looked up is relating to rcd’s in series not a single rcd supplying a full installation. 👍
@CjsGfX4 жыл бұрын
There not in series
@beardedsparks28254 жыл бұрын
He meant downstream.
@tomorichard4 жыл бұрын
Connor Stanley I was referring to what he was relating it to in the code breakers book 👍
@markobrien78024 жыл бұрын
F**k of a thing to happen when you are not expecting it. Hope you are ok!! On the EICR... We have them in Ireland too but we have a set list of questions to answer. You also have space for test readings etc. I'll send a copy of one to you if you are interested in taking a look to compare!
@TYLERCONSTRUCTION4 жыл бұрын
Eicrs are a absolute bummer. Keep up the good work tom 👍👍👍❤️❤️
@shaunsparky53544 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, great to see how you approach an EICR. Just a point on the 'Linked Main Switch', are we not talking about switching of both L and N and not a 'Single Point' of Isolation? Totally different issue! Loving your honesty online. Hope you don't take offence to my comment . PEACE Bro ✌.
@rogerbean3934 жыл бұрын
Yeah clarify please. I assume the old Wylex had double pole main switch but the board below only had a RCD to cover the 2 circuits,so no main switch to isolate both live conductors.
@tomorichard4 жыл бұрын
Roger Bean the rcd in the bottom board would most certainly also be double pole.
@Thefishyveteran4 жыл бұрын
I’m afraid I did 😂 when door fell after calling the bloke a proper lemon. Fire rating of down lighters, there are a number of factors I’d consider but if it’s within the confines of a purpose flat it’s self then possible no need, if it’s a pre 85 conversion then possible yes. Down light wiring, I’d suggest c1 no tools needed to change the light bulb and potentially exposed to bare wire.
@davewright224 жыл бұрын
Your pricing is very accurate
@paulwilson37593 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, just stumbled across you (big Clive recommendation), love your thoughts on EICR pricing, I shall be adopting it too (Hampshire based so might have to shave 10% off). I"ve re-watched from 18.01about 20 times........ and for that alone I'm subscribing. Keep it up!
@michaelsands67383 жыл бұрын
The bump on the head 😂😂😂 I missed that the first time I watched and you cursing £100 EICR 😂😂😂
@hasibazad73203 жыл бұрын
The first video that I liked in your entire videos because in this vide you actually tackled on showing stuff and doing stuff and elaborate things instead of talking off the topic . As usual you do lol , if you continue like this video you find another fan 👍
@callummcivor10944 жыл бұрын
Hope you are okay after that
@chiefpilot53833 жыл бұрын
You are the Gordon Ramsey of Sparks! Great video just made me realise I need to up my prices!!! Thanks Tom Regards Gareth
@metproltd4 жыл бұрын
Great video - hope your head's okay!
@zabizeyaee80024 жыл бұрын
You can use circuit finder or tracer kit or simply a toner to find a buried switch if there is any for those lights that are on all the time.
@shaunpridden58064 жыл бұрын
We have set charges based on the size of the property. 1 Bed up to 5. Anything over that is done on a price per circuit. Sticking point there is we could get a 1 bed with 10+ circuits but then get a 3 bed with 3/4 circuits. Swings and roundabouts I suppose but I do like the way you price yours. Something to think about 👍
@paultaylor40323 жыл бұрын
If in doubt go with the highest safety concern so I would have put that fuse board as a C2
@jamiecullen90754 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time Tom says “you could argue” Well I’m plastered 🥴
@throttlebottle59064 жыл бұрын
watch 3+ videos in a row, now what? ;)
@neilbridgeman77684 жыл бұрын
Excellent coding video. Objective and looking at actual risk using severity and likelihood. 👏👏
@davey60244 жыл бұрын
Exactly same tool set for me including the Larry apart from i use long nose not snips for removing cables out of tight boards for testing.
@creativejamieplays71854 жыл бұрын
Cupboard door is a C-10. (And that's a minus not a hyphen). Improvement recommendation: Hydraulic thingy you get on a boot.
@shamyyy14 жыл бұрын
Makes it so much more hilarious that you were calling him a lemon and a spanner before it fell on your head 😂😂
@stuarnold73384 жыл бұрын
He was listening and used his voodoo magic on Tom.
@timearp81854 жыл бұрын
Rewind and watch again, rewind and watch again..!
@throttlebottle59064 жыл бұрын
the start and clunk on head.. yep, we've all done it and we all still do, I still bounce head off things on the regular, breaking glasses/spectacles often.
@masomadanish29613 жыл бұрын
Great video n honest guy..
@jacekwojnarowski85974 жыл бұрын
😂😱sorry Tom looks like your gut feeling was spot on....big thumb up as you are honest and talk about £££ , this really helps break the Taboo
@harrymcough55454 жыл бұрын
I actually LOLed when he called that guy a lemon lol. That's seems like good pricing tbf .my mate charges 140 for a small place.
@davidwinch574 жыл бұрын
Yes for London same as what we charge
@jayja454 жыл бұрын
Obviously a single RCD is not ideal, but if you counted the potential for lights to lose power as a C2, then wouldn’t you have to class every installation without emergency lights as a C2? Incase of a power failure, or a fault on the lighting circuit itself.
@DWAIN613 жыл бұрын
In domestic propertys I don't think it is requied to have a local switch for a fan, possibly a shower as well as the circuit breaker provides that function.
@marktaylor72884 жыл бұрын
C2 for the spots, not immediate danger as you would have to pull the fitting down to get access for live parts
@sean13252 жыл бұрын
Best ending to a video ever that yerno your reaction I'm crying hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
@timg68504 жыл бұрын
The Lights being permently on: Tom I would give that a C1 because when the lights blow you would have someone changing a light bulb while the fittings are live.
@brendanmichaelwelsh62604 жыл бұрын
Your sticking a new bulb in there not your fingers.
@misstakenot95823 жыл бұрын
But that could apply to any lampholder with 2-way switching...
@lonewolfgeoff4 жыл бұрын
good vid! hope your heads better tom!
@sheargillsparkie95884 жыл бұрын
Flipping heck, I felt that. I had the exact same thing happen to me during an eicr! Only the door was twice as thick. You suffer concussion as a result. Blooming painful.
@robcamm75844 жыл бұрын
Had an enquiry about an EICR recently, used your price model and client basically said I was ripping them off, they reckon their normal spark did 8 bed houses for £100, I asked who it was and checked companies house, he’s gone bump! Shocker! Lights on perm in cupboard, is that why there is an extinguisher in there? The guy is a lemon, a lemon I say! Wallop, karma is a bitch! Give the door a C1! Entertaining Tom, back to the old style Nagy vids. 👍🏻
@stephencoulthard17184 жыл бұрын
Title for this video should be "Electrician C1's a gaint electrical man trap, following taking wood to head" :)
@7chappers4 жыл бұрын
Sorry man. Have to say I did watch the end about 6 times 😂 hope you’re good
@dexster7474 жыл бұрын
Up here in lancashire, I charge between £80-£120 for an EICR in a domestic property (up to a 12 way board). I know of people who charge £50 per EICR and they are just not worth the paper.
@loosecannon58134 жыл бұрын
Tape measure needed for checking bathroom zone limits
@09weenic4 жыл бұрын
Yes very good point - I always have one close to hand
@persona2504 жыл бұрын
Fire rated downlights belong in fire rated ceilings and not many ceilings need to be fire rated be careful with that .
@thomasbambridge69744 жыл бұрын
@persona250 So many electricians don’t understand that a fire rated down light is maintain the fire rating integrity of a fire rated ceiling ... even if the ceiling is made of marshmallows they recommend them 😂🤣
@davidb35374 жыл бұрын
All domestic ceilings have a minimum 30 minute fire rating ( plaster/ plasterboard). Don't know what kind of house wouldn't??
@scott4shell4 жыл бұрын
Looking at a days rate for one it’ll take a day to do a house maybe 3/4 for a flat, that’s if your taking lights and sockets off to do it proper
@ef74802 жыл бұрын
Only the private corporation (known as 'the courts') will decide whether a C1, C2 or C3 is relevant based on how much they wish to raid your estate. The legislation is set up in conjuction with the private (not public) oath of the barrister, solicitor etc in order to place the responsibility, and tie the hands of the operative whom has chosen to undertake the activity by way of contract, bounded by the said legislation that sets the position of the goal posts and places the average person at a disadvantage in every respect...
@charlieb8y2 жыл бұрын
17:55 minutes when the cupboard smashes Tom round the head 😂
@MH-bv9kk4 жыл бұрын
17:55 - How every Monday feels to me. Hope your tomorrow is better.
@kevinpoore56264 жыл бұрын
All right well I live in the United States of America and thank goodness our electrical quite that complicated we don't have to have certificates for our electrical system
@gtm01603 жыл бұрын
I would say for the down light with no switch C3 as it not ideal to have no way of turning it off with out the fuse but there no danger to it
@boblewis55584 жыл бұрын
Your pricing, given the amount of time involved, absolutely fair, and reasonable. What is unreasonable then? The fact that I and thousands of other Electrical & Electronic Engineering graduates with degrees and years of experience behind them (>45 in my case), and in some ways being overqualified to do the necessary checks (and alterations) are not allowed to even TOUCH the CU innards because we are not certified! The removal of the "competent" person rule SHOULD have been replaced with a suitably QUALIFIED rule, and the qualifications listed. If the work we then did was required to be detailed, so be it. If the work needed to be registered as having been done, so be it. But CERTIFICATION does not now nor has it ever meant that a person is either properly qualified OR competent to do the work, he's merely certified. One of these days someone certified will be sued and the whole system will be shown for what it is - a complete farce WRT safety and quality. The two things any properly qualified engineer would do in his own home is to a) ensure the installation is safe and b) to ensure a decent, tidy, well-documented job is done. It really incenses me that in ALL of the 4 properties we have owned PLUS the two that were rented I have NEVER found what I would consider a professional installation, irrespective of the type and age of CUs involved and up until the rule changes have always done my own electrical installations and had to sort out gross errors and previous messes of so-called "professional electricians". Sadly there are too many of them and they have brought complete farce to the industry. My youngest brother has a similar problem. He too is a professional engineer working at the pinnacle of electrical motive power and control engineering, working on 400-800 volt DC motive, battery circuits, WAY more demanding than anything domestic and he too is not allowed to touch the CU! He's the senior electrical projects engineer for a MAJOR F1 team BTW and been there over 25 years. Go figure! I like your work, it's a pleasure to see the kind of standard of workmanship I would expect but it galls me to have to pay to have someone, even as good as you, to come to do things that I can, and would, do in my sleep. Despite the fact that it was envisaged originally that sparkies could do a simple check/s on "professionally" done personal work to certify it as "safe" there is STILL NOT that option in reality. Asking a sparkie to underwrite someone else's work is difficult, to say the least, and I understand that. There needs to be some alternative option for totally competent and qualified but "uncertified" engineers as the current status quo is almost equivalent to demanding sparkies go through an annual IT exam to ensure they are "registered" and "competent" to operate a PC!!
@jurassicsparks52204 жыл бұрын
What a load of Hogwash. I work with engineers in my current role. In the Oil & Gas sector. I wouldn’t trust them holding a spanner. That’s not testament to all Engineers but just because you’ve progressed into the theory at a level far greater than the normal electrician. That doesn’t mean you have the Practical ability to do a better job. You whinge about domestic electricians, what do you expect? it’s the bottom of the barrel.
@christeye25504 жыл бұрын
I think you’ve priced it right we live in London and have a lot to pay out for, it takes time to become nic Eic we don’t work for free.
@claas65044 жыл бұрын
Just done an EICR today at work!
@leecartlidge41244 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I would not of coded the lights needing to be fire rated as the house is classes as on containment (ie not flat above) if you used the lights as a c1 you would need to isolate that circuit. I would of coded access to live parts as a c2 as it only becomes dangerous when light is removed so potentially dangerous. Just my thoughts on it. Well presented video though.
@rhysjones11894 жыл бұрын
If its a house they are fire rated to protect the joist/floor structure above. Plasterboard has a resistance to fire which the downlights should match. Nothing to do with fire compartments.
@tlangdon124 жыл бұрын
NAPIT have it correct. A single RCD feeding an entire distribution board is not ideal, but is not in itself a C2. You need some other factor, like that fact that the property has a stairway, to make it into a C2. Consider a small child (who may not have experienced a power cut before) coming out of their bedroom in the dark and walking to where the know the top of the stairs to be. They could very easily fall down the stairs it is dark and their perception of where the stairs are is a bit off. In a bungalow or groundfloor flat, if other factors are not present, it would be a C3. Other factors that might be relevant would include if there was a medical device that is sustaining someone's life. Such devices should have a UPS as well as being on their own circuit and RCBO.
@christopherhulse83854 жыл бұрын
An area power cut would give rise to the same scenario, I work on the judgement of is it likely to cause a shock risk or fire.
@ElliottVeares4 жыл бұрын
Was it not once common practice to have the whole board covered by a single RCD afaik, so was compliant then but now now, thus a C3 imo.
@philliosr36154 жыл бұрын
Christopher Hulse exactly. When doing an eicr you aren’t doing a FRA or a building inspection. You are assessing the condition of the electrical installation only.
@PJB714 жыл бұрын
It’s a C3 not a C2. There are literally thousands of installations with upfront rcd’s.
@advertslaxxor4 жыл бұрын
@opening: If Linus was a electrician :)
@andrewyeo23534 жыл бұрын
Dangerous notification pull the main fuse for front end rcd. Reason granny falls down the stairs to reset rcd then grandad get head injury when closing cupboard door
@michaelviney37373 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to get your approach to doing EICR. There is a balance to be reached on how items are inspected but in all cases it is to do with electrical safety only. Ie all your C2 vs C3 examples can only be C3. Falling downstairs etc is not relevant. Safety wise nothing wrong with a board of breakers and external RCD in it’s day and it is still not electrically unsafe today. But then what do I know? I completed my 5 year apprenticeship with the electricity board 60 years ago!! I think your pricing is about right ….4 hrs to do it properly
@johnwaby43214 жыл бұрын
Don't forget if you put a C1 code then you have to fix it straight away ..
@anthonysykes5422 жыл бұрын
You just earned a sub! Great intro and outro to the video lol
@AndyNichol4 жыл бұрын
That was the funniest ending i watched it about 5 times.