Thoracic Outlet Syndrome Recovery without Surgery - Kyle's story

Kyle talks about his experience with thoracic outlet syndrome. In college, his thoracic outlet symptoms became so bad that he couldn't even sit comfortably in class. He had numbness and tingling and was unable to live a normal life. Multiple TOS specialists were unable to help, and he was convinced he needed surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome...
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Matt Hsu's own battle with chronic pain from the age of 16 in his feet, knees, hips, back, shoulders, elbows, forearms, wrists, hands, and head gives him a uniquely thorough understanding of musculoskeletal pain, the ways in which it can undermine an entire life, and the mental and physical hurdles that keep people from getting out of it.
When not filming videos, he's working out in the living room, surfing, learning dance or gymnastics moves, or riding a bike with his son in tow.
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ABOUT THIS VIDEO
This is Kyle's story of avoiding thoracic outlet syndrome surgery. Using the Shoulder Fix program, he did exercises to fix thoracic outlet syndrome and has been able to return to lifting weights and living a life without numbness, tingling, and discomfort from TOS. This is an incredible story of a nonsurgical treatment for thoracic outlet syndrome.
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[@Uprighthealth]

What was your favorite part of this interview? 👉 The Shoulder Fix for TOS: www.uprighthealth.com/thoracic-outlet-syndrome

[@red.fan.liverpool]

Hi, man! How many parts include your program?

[@balkanhajduk]

Hi. Thank you both for trying to help us. Please where can I find this shoulder fix program? 😢

[@KickingwithKara]

The Shoulder Fix helped me with a labral tear a couple years ago. Was told I needed surgery too. The ortho’s only have two tools in the toolkit: anti inflammatories and the knife. They mean well but the fact that there is a specialist for TOS is telling. I’m a competitive bodybuilder and with the shoulder fix program was able to help me get back to lifting and I’m now hitting PRs overhead pressing 50s! Oh and I’m also 50 years old. This is one of the best channels imo. Thank you for continuing to share your knowledge. 🙏🏻

[@alexandreboulch5455]

It’s really awesome what your are doing on this channel. Thanks a lot. It really helps. And big thank you to Kyle for sharing his story!

[@ravjc55]

EXCELLENT!! Thank you, both, so much for sharing this with us. Now that gyms are open and I have re-started my exercise regimen, i have had back problems and i have re-started to "activate those muscles" and while it is taking time, i am seeing some relief. thanks again so much.

[@Uprighthealth]

Good job! You can do this. 💪

[@carolineASMR]

Hey there. I mainly have a feeling of weakness in my arms and hands that started a couple of months ago. I’m doing PT right now, but still no relief. Can this program help with the weakness?

[@plantbasednutrition5768]

Thanks for having me on Matt! I hope people found this conversation helpful!

[@lolajane5768]

Hello! I was a hair stylist for 20+ years and am dealing with these same symptoms unfortunately, I am just starting this journey and am in the Austin area, I was wanting to know which dr did you see for the tests to figure out your specific TOS and did the blood flow testing- (if you don’t mind?) I am also not going to opt for surgery but want to make sure there are no clots or other obstacles before I start Matt's program. I would so appreciate it 🙏🏼

[@alyssabarreralansford9832]

@@lolajane5768 I’m in San Antonio. Get a good PT (mine is Dr. Jorge Guerrero in San Antonio) and then head to Dr. Pearl in Dallas who would be one of the top TOS specialists (and if you needed surgery he would be your guy). Dr. Pearl can also do tests and such to make sure you have no blood clots.

[@ll-wd7mv]

Bruh tell us what exercises you did

[@vh448]

Thank you for sharing your story Kyle. thank goodness you have a smart Dad. and you're right about life-style creating the problems and plants preventing illnesses.

[@hkaur1987]

Hi there! Just curious as to what kind of TOS you have?

[@jreverie7018]

Thanks so much for sharing this one! I've been in a similar situation, it has been ruining my life completely. Been diagnosed losely with cubital tunnel syndrome without evidence and also thoracic outlet syndrome. Very confusing. It was so good to hear that thoracic outlet syndrome can cause elbow pain, and nice to hear about the course! Going to think it over. Anyways, thanks for all you put out! You're a gem

[@Uprighthealth]

Glad you found it useful!

[@talhaali1977]

updates?

[@alyssabarreralansford9832]

Same journey as you sir!! Except mine happened after my baby. Found a good therapist and now I’m doing pretty good. Still get occasional flare ups but I believe it would take a while to retrain muscles. My therapist didn’t have me do stretches much, all weights and controlled movements. Here’s to continuing healing.

[@kittykumari]

Hi Alyssa I do have tos with bilateral cervical ribs and I gave birth 5 months ago and it definitely got worse after that. I can't hold baby at all and stopped direcr breastfeeding. Could you tell me how did you/ how do you manage the pain with a baby.

[@alyssabarreralansford9832]

@@kittykumari firstly, the biggest thing is I do not have cervical ribs. Next, after my milk regulated it got somewhat better, but even more so after I was done breast feeding. Corrective exercise using correct movement and individualized workouts helped a lot. I stopped stretching because I turned out to be hyper mobile after baby and stretching actually makes my symptoms worse. I do mainly strengthening exercises and mobilization exercise. Hope that helps.

[@ranch260]

What kind of exercises?

[@lgns_]

Hi Kyle, I hope your're doing well! You've got another vTOS/nTOS friend right here! In December 2024 they discovered a blood clut in my right arm (right underneath my collarbone) and when doing a CT-scan 3 months later, they diagnosed the TOS. Currently, I'm taking blood thinners for 3 more months (6 in total) and undergoing a few more tests to see if surgery is necessary or if I can 'live' with no surgery and no blood thinners. It is quite a risk because I could get a DVT on the other side once I'm off the blood thinners. But I'm being followed up. It's scary and the thought of living with this while not being able to swim, boulder or surf anymore (my passions) is weighing on me a lot. You're story is encouraging, thank you so much for sharing. I wish you both all the best!

[@MovementbyAjith]

Hey! How are you doing with your TOS? I was diagnosed with venous TOS after being an avid surfer and climber for 11 years. I had a bad DVT in my shoulder and 3 pulmonary embolisms. I am currently heading into consultations for surgery but I can’t imagine I could return to high level bouldering after they remove my top rib and several muscles?!?! Any thoughts ?

[@ban3499]

Thanks for putting this together, i broke my collarbone which required surgery delt with intense shoulder pain when going above 90 degrees, ruled out any tears so assumed TOS. For anyone struggling i found that dips with a resistance band and trap shrugs with a shouldet in a more internal position really focusing on the eccentric for pec minor and traps helps relieve some pain. Still in the thick of it so will update in a few months

[@jessika9488]

Update?

[@ban3499]

@@jessika9488 there’s still that pressure which stings from time to time when lifting above head, assume it’s just scar tissue at this point . but overall it doesn’t get in the way of me lifting or doing my sport . Best thing that’s helped me is continuing to lift and strengthen the shoulder and back . I do bar hangs more regularly too now

[@tara7206]

How are you now?

[@ban3499]

@@tara7206honestly doing great now, I still have discomfort in the shoulder but I think it’s just from the plate being there . I’ve gotten back into my sports and weightlifting, the best thing I’ve found for me is staying active, continue to do my gym routine if the pain doesn’t get worse or beyond my normal tolerance for pain. Just being positive and continuing your routines helps the body in a positive way

[@bethk1402]

I am tempted to try this program... I was diagnosed earlier this year with radial tunnel syndrome, but my continued poking around on the web makes me think that's not all there is to it. This thoracic outlet syndrome looks like it might be going in the right direction, so my question: do I need weights or other equipment to do the full body strength workout or to do the full program properly? Thanks for the work you do!

[@ranch260]

Did you ever try it?

[@richiebalance6006]

THANK YOU BOSS 💯 No Dr,s Knew Nothing , been dealing with this for years , now I know 👍

[@49pickles]

Just from my own experience. Surgery is not a bad option, and there is no reason you shouldn’t see a specialist while doing PT. I went through two PT practices that both told me after six weeks there was nothing more they could do. If I hadn’t found a specialist I might have wound up with someone doing their first TOS surgery as it is not something 99% of vascular surgeons perform unless it’s an emergency situation like a vehicle accident or your hand turning blue.

[@rustyshimstock8653]

I had very similar symptoms. It started as neck pain when riding my bike, then got worse for about a year until it was nearly a constant pain in the neck and numbness in one muscle in my fore-arm. One day i tried to do a chin-up in the park and noticed that i could not even start to lift myself. So i installed rings in my house and started to do assisted chinups (starting with my feet touching the ground until i could get started.) Almost immediately, i could feel popping in my shoulder at times, like when moving my arms around in bed. After a few months, able to do one pull up, the problem was about half fixed -- half the time i could not feel it. I do chin ups every morning. Six months later, i cam do two un-assisted pull ups on the rings, and the problem is almost totally gone.

[@swaha55]

Hi Kyle, My right hand gets colder in the winter than my left hand. Do you think your shoulder fix program could help that?

[@felipemontoyaalvarez1340]

Hi Matt. Loved the video as I've been experiencing something similar since December 2022. I have numbness and pain. I understand I have trigger points in my scalene muscles, but nothing seems to improve the issue. When I touch those trigger points, the pain irradiates to my elbows and hands. But I don't know if I have NTOS. How can I know (for real) that TOS is my issue? And your program can help me with this? Thanks for the vid!

[@silasfair9453]

get ultrasound

[@philsmith3019]

Ive been through the same experience, and still currently dealing with it. Ive been to several specialists for years, and none of them have a proper solution. Its maddening to spend time and money, only to go in circles. Sure, they’ll hear you out about your issues, but only for the sake of issuing prescriptions. Physical therapists will just run you through stretches.

[@purifierphoenixthemecca2074]

stretches don't work, they actually releasing tension that makes it somewhat bearable, overtime stretching makes things worse. you have to usually strengthen the other side for the side you would've of stretched to release naturally. Look into to postural restoration institute and find a pcr therapist, make sure they work with a dentist and a eye specialist, your eye sight and imbalance in bite will keep you stuck in an unbalanced postition causing improper muscle activation where one muscle is pulling harder than the other causing your bones to shift ever so slightly in unfavorable positions. Please don't do any excercises until you see one, I made that mistake, even though the exercises look easy enough, alot more technique goes into it than one would ever imagine because most are not aware how there body is compensating for any injuries throughout there life time.

[@Truthbomb101.]

@@purifierphoenixthemecca2074 what does PCR stand for? I'm from Melbourne Australia and can't find anything

[@craig6460]

Really interesting to hear Kyle's story, thank you ⭐️ I have aTOS and nTOS. Due to meet with a surgeon in a few weeks to discuss options. Having lived with it undiagnosed for 5 years, the impact to my health, stamina & overall ability has been immense. I had to give up work & a social life. I barely leave the house now for fear of triggering aTOS flare ups. I've been unable thus far to prevent limb shaking TIAs, as a result of pressure on my subclavian artery. I've had 12 in total since 2019, which are becoming worryingly more frequent. These were undiagnosed until recently. Hoping & praying that I can get a surgery date soon. 🙏 I feel like I'm in a race against time now, to get this fixed before it does real damage in the form of TIA, or stroke. Exercises help to relieve pressure on my subclavian artery, yet it takes just one thoughtless wrong move to put me back to square 1. If I could have surgery tomorrow, I would. Nothing else has worked for me. Trying to stay positive... 🙃🤞

[@Hustlersambiton]

I’m in the same sort of boat not diagnosed yet but doing tests. I am constantly worried. Hope ur appointment goes well bro

[@craig6460]

@@HustlersambitonGood luck too, it's a challenging journey to get diagnosis & treatment... but possible! 🙂

[@Hustlersambiton]

@@craig6460 yeah it’s a real battle it’s taken so much from me I relate to what you said. Got ultrasound the news didn’t sound good. Waiting for more tests. When I got home I looked up what the doc told me about my artery on ultrasound and nearly shitt myself. I had no idea this can cause strokes. I still need more tests and proper look at it to know what’s going on for sure.

[@earthbodyofficial2603]

What about the TIA? Did it feel like a weird shaking on the inside of your body that is hard to pinpoint? And how are you doing now?@@craig6460

[@spiritualjay3141]

I've had migraines since 10 years old, had countless scans which left doctors puzzled. 29 now with shoulders, neck pain and migraines at least 5 times a week. Doctors scanned my body and noticed I have thoracic outlet syndrome, been to 8 weeks of physio which didn't help but learnt some exercises from them, starting advanced physio soon so hopefully that helps. What does help me is exercising with weights etc but the day after I'm in agony so it's a win lose situation. Trying to stay off medication but majority of the time it's to painful so I give in, definitely don't want an operation because I've read to many people are in agony afterwards with no benefits. It's funny because originally I thought my spine was abnormal or something so I spent countless on neck and spine pillows, a better mattress, sleeping on my back, exercising machines, yoga equipment.. of course none of it worked so ended up in a depressed state, really didn't know what to do 🤣 still don't to be honest.

[@michaelmartin7755]

I am in a similar situation, and I'm waiting to have another botox injection in my scalene muscles. I am skeptical of it especially if i want long term results. I am thinking of purchasing this program because Ive tried everythin so why not. I am so exhausted at this point. Good luck to you.

[@jackprot351]

Bro please look up mskneurology and look at his TOS article. It will be super informative for you and explains why the migraines occur. Definitely give it a look.

[@ignitelegend5957]

I’m currently dealing with TOS rn it took me a little less than year to figure out but right now I’m just focused on trying to maintain good posture and slowly build up with strengthening my back and shoulders to Improve posture. I would stay hopeful shit like this can be very depressing I’ve had fatigue and pain in both and shoulders for months and can get you down. But we need to be the best we can be. Do what we can.

[@owenson7969]

Does the program work? I have had TOS for almost a year and a half now. Just had Botox injections into my neck and shoulder for Tos but not sure if it will help.

[@Bobenrieth.95]

Does this program do breathing exercises?

[@BustasGirl1]

Is it normal to mainly have pain in your neck, i.e scalene muscles with VTOS? I get mild swelling of my arm and mild shoulder pain and it's been documented that I have subclavian vein compression with axillary artery stenosis. Most of my pain is in my neck, any cervical issues have been ruled out.

[@Uprighthealth]

ATM: ALWAYS THINK MUSCLES. www.uprighthealth.com/blog/chronic-joint-pain-atm-theory I can't speak to your specific situation, but I will say that atrophied WEAK muscles that you keep trying to stretch and "relax" will complain louder and louder over time. This article may also be helpful conceptually: www.uprighthealth.com/blog/how-to-relax-tight-muscles-fix-stiffness

[@susanareid310]

Be nice to see some of the exercises to alíviate this condition. Thx. 🤗🤗🤗

[@Uprighthealth]

Noted!

[@Y.unalesca]

@@Uprighthealth yes please I'm very desperate right now

[@curtisw0234]

It's a scary thought to fix TOS with surgery when the TOS is caused by other problems that you should be working working on but then neglect and let further deteriorate because you opted for surgery. I wouldn't do it unless absolutely necessary

[@fernsims3747]

My son, 24 has this dreadful issue. Do your exercise work for nTOS?

[@marshapicardo7322]

I was 1st diagnosed with Carpal Tunnel. After PT, discovered my pain is coming from my neck. MRI showed I have stenosis & spondylosis (C6-C7). After Nerve Testing for Carpal Tunnel, was told if I have Carpal Tunnel, it's very mind...and that I might actually have TOS. 😬😬 Desperately trying to avoid SURGERY.

[@Y.unalesca]

Same happened to me. Physical fitness helped more than anything.

[@andreotchere6456]

Started after a track injury when I was 16 22 now loss a lot of strength in my hands

[@Lindsey_Lockwood]

How were they able to positively diagnose TOS?

[@scotts2783]

I never felt any of the symptoms what so ever, one day my arm just swelled up and I couldn’t move it, after a ct scan the doctor found a blood clot under my arm pit, and was told it was due to TOS, I just find it strange how I never had any symptoms what so ever. Waiting to see the doctor next week to find out the next Steps

[@lolajane5768]

What ended up happening 😳

[@scotts2783]

@@lolajane5768 been on Apixaban ever since, had an X-ray, ct scan and an ultra sound last week, meeting with the doctor next week I think he will go with removing my first rib but il let you know next week, it’s looking that way anyway

[@lolajane5768]

@@scotts2783 Thank you so much for replying 💕 yes, please let me know 🙏 and good luck 🍀

[@scotts2783]

@@lolajane5768 you welcome il keep you posted 🙏

[@cybermanne]

Could it still be TOS if the tingling is more located around the traps, pecs and rhomboids? Or is it more likely to be some other type of nerv entrapment? It still tingles a bit down the arm also, but it's more so higher up. I also have like some dull pain around the lateal upper tip of my scapula, that I can alleviate in the short term by pushing down on the top of the scapula with the other hand. But the pain would come back after a few minutes especially while sitting. I can't sleep on either side or the lateral upper aspect around the scapula will start hurting, and all the muscles around will seize up. I have to sleep on my back to not get this, All this is very new to me. I woke up a few weeks ago with a sharp pain in my rhomboid area. I managed to sort that out with some self administerd trigger point massage and dynamic stretches (butcher block etc) and some excersises to activate the rhombs, lower traps and serratus. While doing this I also noticed some tingling in the rhomboids and upper traps. This I found I could deal with by massaging my neck and doing some neck retractions and extensions. And also some decompressions with a towel pulling my head straight up from my neck. I think I had some sort of bulging disc in the lower part of my cervical spine, because I found a really tender spot there and it felt like the spine was bulging out a bit. But all that went away a couple of days ago. But now I'm stuck with the things I described in the 1:st paragaraph. I also seems to have developed some sort of impingement in the shoulder, which I didn't have before. I can sometimes get rid of the impingement by putting the arm behind my back and pulling it downwards with the other hand. I think that's also some sort of test for rotator cuff tear (which in my case would be negative). The whole thing is pretty weird to me. But I have been getting better and better ever since I got into this mess like 2-3 weeks ago. I haven't gone to a physio or anything yet, because it seems like the symptoms have been moving around, and I would probably end up doing unneccessary stuff and going to a lot of treatments that would end up not doing much. Maybe I'll go see someone unless I can get this last bit sorted within a week or so. But I'm probably more inclined to try your program if you think what I'm stck with in the aftermath of whatever happened could be TOS.

[@tiffanykivett4221]

Yes it can be. I'm on money 18

[@backfuckinhurts]

yea it could be. tos can compress ur dorsal scapular nerve which innervates those tingly areas you described

[@kusukuntlarahulreddy7416]

Hey. Im from india. How do I get access to your program.?

[@Telekinesislam]

Dry cupping instantly relieves the issue. Wet cupping heals it. There's amniotic plaque on' top of the nerve that must be removed manually because osmosis isn't getting it...

[@andreotchere6456]

And is there a form of tos that starts from the hips

[@robertdepesci3418]

He said trap raises helped him the most

[@KaranSharma-io3qi]

Sir I am also having this tingling feelings starting from the left collarbone area to the left hand after doing 5 sets of pull upss and i have checked neurologist and cardiologist but no one could diagonese it till now can it be tos or other problem can u suggest?

[@andreotchere6456]

Did you recover from any hand atrophy if you had it

[@bekabeka71]

First👌🏼 might try this I really don’t want to get complications, I’m 27 years old young man and need to get my act together in terms of spine health

[@Sk0lzky]

I'm 26 and I 100% support Kyle's testimony, I've had a ton of issues pretty much since college (and some even longer), including TOS and various post-injury maladaptations. Most of them are gone now, in large part thanks to the information from the channel and blog (and some other sources, free and paid) combined with *consistency* (which was by far the hardest part for me) and improving the conscious aspect of my proprioception. PS Don't give up if you feel like you've hit a wall, sometimes one discovers new issues after fixing another, it's rare to develop only one lifestyle-induced condition.

[@Uprighthealth]

^^^ SUCH WISDOM HERE! 😃

[@NotoriousReviews23]

Will this work if you have TOS due to a cervical rib?

[@Shloopy420]

no

[@NotoriousReviews23]

@@Shloopy420 oh? Are you a orthopedic or some sort of Doctor?

[@ToffiTube]

Is this good for vascular tos

[@Y.unalesca]

Who's this doctor???? I need to see him.

[@Albatrosspro1]

Wondering if you have seen TOS symptoms combined with a "locked" hip or excessive tightness on the same side of the body + some sciatic pain. Basically so one side of the body is restricted compared to the other.

[@Peterhgf3214]

I have TOS and Sciatic pain

[@Albatrosspro1]

@@Peterhgf3214 Just now I'm in the process of adjusting my bite and jaw and I do believe fingers crossed that this has been the culprit all along. Take a good long look at how your bite lines up with your teeth maybe. Or check for any other jaw/head issues.

[@TheLifePlayground]

I have the same and tmd aswell. Comforting to see I'm not alone

[@israferoze1694]

I have this since 15 years on my left elbow and wrist and sciatic pain going in my left ankle. I have TMD and sleep apnea too.I was misdiagnosed with Fibromyalgia by my Neurologist.

[@rachelarcher491]

Yes! I have TOS and constantly feel like my one hip is locked/out of place/just not working right which has now led to gait issues and foot pain. Hoping you found relief (I have not 😂)

[@lpgfamily5]

I’m on physical therapy with them looking at TOS for me now. The chiro part of the new program doesn’t seem hopeful already talking about going to neurologist and mri on second visit. I’ve done chiro for years but I’ve been living with “carpal tunnel” for decades and the past year and a half has gotten so so so bad.

[@tank7162]

Had my 1st rib resected and and it was absolutely not worth it. Post op was the worst pain of my life and the problem is bilateral now. Swollen hands, numb arms. Would love to see exercises you recommend.

[@saucerecords606]

Look up dr tim tollestrup

[@tank7162]

@@saucerecords606 he sounds good, I wish I would've found him before I had my first procedure because im done with getting cut open.

[@pugglesammy]

I had the same..1st rub resection 20 years ago..did nothing and have it bilaterally. Been told I have to live with the pain for the rest of my life and have pain management. My pain management consists of being prescribed pain meds. I'm lucky if I get 2 hours sleep a night. TOS is horrendous and disabling.

[@DoseofFitness]

good video!!!

[@Uprighthealth]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@packman12191]

I've had this since I was a little kid and now as adult I get the whole pain from my fingers to my neck. If I hold my arms up for a few seconds I lose circulation in my arms/hands. On top of this my shoulders like to dislocated when I'm sleeping. I find its worse when I know my shoulders are acting up. Plus a back injury. Physical therapy didn't do anything except help with my scoliosis and how uneven my shoulders are.

[@natasha09179]

Do you have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome? It really sounds like it.

[@pugglesammy]

I've had TOS for 30 years. Had a first Rob resection where they removed a rib but it was unsuccessful in that there was no relief. They didn't mention removing other parts like yours and I was never offered a follow up. I tried some physio for a few months but struggled with the cost of it but nothing worked so I've been on pain meds ever since. An anesthetist at a pain clinic told me I'd have to accept living with pain for the rest of my life. I get electric shocks just typing this..pain is horrendous. I wish I could find a solution to be pain free. What can I do if I've had this for 30 years???

[@JeeYaoKuneDo]

You're not alone. The problem is that most clinicians are 30 years behind the science. I'd recommend that you find someone who takes the so-called bio-psycho-social pain model seriously. Sadly, many clinicians and Western culture have an outdated understanding of pain. Chronic pain is not a simple as "Your thingy is damaged. Do this exercise / Get surgery = pain-free." Try googling "biomedical pain perspective vs. biopsychosocial pain model". Another good place to start in your case would be this article: "Many Orthopedic Surgeries Don’t Work Better Than Placebo" I'll gladly help answer any questions you might have. I'm not a doctor or physio, but I used work as a personal trainer, taking courses in modern pain science/rehab. I now work professionally with patient communication.

[@skiwelnitz3406]

I would seek a Rolfer in your area....

[@thegamingcar907]

I would buy his program, or do the msk protocol

[@vh448]

the doctor's perspective is driven by profit. people should take charge of their own health and exercise is a powerful way to naturally do that.

[@michaellapetina4623]

I found doing trigger point message on pecs help a lot

[@eshankaur9659]

Does this helpul for cervical rib?

[@jessika9488]

I wonder that too, I have extra rib that looks like it was broken. Pushing into nerves. Sucks. Considering surgery as it's been 6 months no recovery. Only less pain now that I'm doing nothing

[@beezyb42011]

Anyone try the program?

[@user-np7cj3qg6o]

Is this related to Neurogenic TOS or Vascular TOS or both?

[@Truerealism747]

Hi it can most be caused by stress ime badged many diagnosis it's tms also neurologist said can be b1 defiency nightmare 6 years everyday

[@heiditann2875]

Hello, I am currently watching this video as I have been diagnosed with TOS. I have a few questions. Because of TOS on my left side I have since March 2022 had a blood clot-DVT form in my left subclavian vein. I am on blood thinners for this to prevent further complications of it moving or getting further blood clots caused from TOS. Secondly my aurnt has had the surgery on the right side as she also has TOS she has had an extra rib and first rib removed and is waiting to have the other side done as she has an extra rib on the left side to causing TOS leading tk a risk of possible DVT. After many hospital visits and scans, tests I am now also waiting for surgery to remove my first rib on the left side to make space and prevent any further blood clots. I am so scared to even move my left arm above my head as its stops circulation. I have had a swollen arm since march and discolouration. I also get numbness, constant aching, pain and tingling. I am back at work now and work as a chef however work really knocks it out of me and my arm is so fatigued after my shirft I can't even think about doing any health related exercises, I used to love swimming, dancing and yoga. Do you think the shoulder program would be suitable for me as I have the DVT caused by TOS or in my case is surgery to only option unless I stay on blood thinners forever? Any advice would be amazing! Kindest regards, Heidi.

[@Shloopy420]

how are you doing now?

[@jm213213]

was the blood clot in your arm?

[@scrgroup4423]

Does this work for vtos I had a dvt

[@alexatkinson229]

Same here

[@alexatkinson229]

1 month and no response from this guy?

[@silverfullbuster9177]

@@alexatkinson229 if you've got vtos with no clot then yes its definitely a try but vtos with a clot is a bit risky

[@seanhester6342]

I have the same exact shit..... Like same exact except mine caused a blood clot.

[@heiditann2875]

I have commented above only just seen your message you have DVT caused from TOS so do I how are you coping?

[@seanhester6342]

@@heiditann2875 im good. I still have discomfort in shoulder and neck and almost left side of my throat but my clot went away easily and I just try to focus on my posture everyday

[@Shloopy420]

@@seanhester6342 did you have surgery? do you exercise?

[@jm213213]

where was your blood clot? I have TOS and feel a couple small bumps on the side of my arm where the shoulder and bicep meet. not sure if that's a blood clot

[@williamdunn1000]

Something else to consider about the surgery besides the historically poor success rate - there are complications. Not the norm of course, but there are people all over youtube and reddit that are now on permanent disability after having the surgery. Check the comments also under some of these surgeons that haven't had them deactivated - not promising at all!

[@alexanderh.6603]

You never answer questions regarding Venous TOS. Many people I see here ask yet you have no answer on if this routine is just pertaining to Neurogenic Tos. So let me try and ask.. would this help anyone with VenousTOS cause right now it all sounds like snake oil to get people to spend on your classes.

[@thegamingcar907]

its a lot more variable with vtos and atos from what I've seen, those can be a lot more dangerous (cus ur cutting off blood supply), compared to just nerve stuff. I would say if u have atos or vtos, go to the doctor. If you have ntos, get the program and stick to it

[@huntonworld]

Bought the program. Let see how it goes

[@GigaChad-em9qw]

Which program did Kyle do?

[@GigaChad-em9qw]

Also how has it been so far?

[@huntonworld]

@@GigaChad-em9qw Unsure which Kyle did. I have gone for the thoracic outlet one. It comes bundled with the Shoulder 3.0 program as well which I did not realise. So far it has been nothing but fantastic. I have have tos pretty bad for about 2 years now and the last week has been the best I have been in quite a while. It comes with a morning and lunchtime 15minute exercise and stretch. (For me I have to stretch very lightly, if not it makes the tos worse. But light has been helping!) There is a twice ~ three time a week strengthening program as well. Once you get slightly better you go full time into the shoulder 3.0 program. With some guidance of how to transfer between. If you have a knowledge of general gyming / exercises I would recommend highly so far. (Only been 8days though)

[@kylemcnamara9690]

@@GigaChad-em9qw I did the Shoulder Fix Program!

[@kylemcnamara9690]

@@huntonworld It's amazing, isn't it??

[@Joseluis77..]

Anyone else have winged scapula due to tos?

[@mattooi4322]

You didnt specify the type of ToS? I assume nTOS :(

[@sonitty]

Nice infomercial.

[@stevejeffryes5086]

So, this video is not going to provide information. This video is an advertisement.

[@Hipsterhandyman]

Be leery of plant based diets. Eggs butter and grass feed beef saved me from a hell, histamine intolerance.

[@momc1134]

Seems most people don't seem to want to face the fact that they are responsible for taking care of their own bodies and that involves pretty much constant movement and eating good nutritious food-mostly plants with meals made from scratch.

[@Hustlersambiton]

You just stopped by on this video to lecture people that are in pain? U need to go for a walk or something

[@areguapiri]

How many times did Kyle say "like"? About a few hundred?

[@mrmen171]

surgery is a nononononononononononon.