Thorin's Thoughts - Don't Retire Until it's Actually Over (CS:GO)

[@9ardes]

New team PashaLondonSchool

[@teeheeyuh]

Pasha and a bunch of up and coming polish players, this would actually be really sweet

[@xboxfullauto1000]

Nice thumbnail easter egg

[@KingOfBlades27]

???

[@xboxfullauto1000]

Do you know what easter egg means?

[@michaelalexify]

@@xboxfullauto1000 what is he referencing?

[@Exot1c_FPS]

What in gods name is that from snax

[@KingOfBlades27]

@@xboxfullauto1000 Yes, but I have no clue what the easter egg is supposed to be in the thumbnail. You mean the start of the video of Neo?

[@tnightwolf]

Agree with this 200% and there are even many sports examples of people adapting and still pull-off success long after their peak form (in various different ways).

[@snooples]

definitely needed this in light of vp disbanding, thanks thorin

[@mihirx27]

Also, check out Reddit, there's a post about how VP members helped out Magisk when he got ousted from North.

[@snooples]

yea i saw it, makes me want them to stay in the scene even more

[@jordanrector9869]

Do the mibr failure/stew for taco trade/tarik future

[@TheRyry97]

Jordan Rector he said he’s gonna do it once it gets confirmed.

[@airbreyaresports5871]

@@TheRyry97 I was gunna say like people need to stop with these non confirmed rumors shit gave me a heart attack...

[@danilobraun3891]

Lol it actually has been confirmed

[@airbreyaresports5871]

@@danilobraun3891 :(

[@danilobraun3891]

@Tobias Salomonsson so what you dumb fuck i didnt say shit about when it happened was just mentioning it

[@blacktimhoward4322]

"Fuck that. Get yours" real muhfuggin advice right there

[@heradsinn]

Thorin back, sharing from his deep well of wisdom.

[@nadimkazi87]

Didnt expect Neo to be in the video! U made my day😍😍😍😍!!

[@longrangevolley425]

Thorin on by the numbers : skadoodle should have retired straight after the major: , thorin on his chanell : dont do that

[@PvtCaboose2961]

Longrange Volley lol

[@isaacmyron1692]

Not that he should’ve retired he just overstayed his time on c9 skadoodle would still be a really good pickup for t 2/3 na teams

[@KingOfBlades27]

Pretty sure he never said that Ska should just totally retire. Just leave c9.

[@newname4941]

@@Alec____ I think mind key was quoting thorin, but not sure.

[@123wedo321]

Richard Lewis is the one who said that, I'm pretty sure, not Thorin.

[@Rolilasx]

I`m glad you made this video, maybe this will help kids shouting "retire retire" to veterans understand their true value

[@d0k0night]

Extremely relevant video, the timing was exquisite, especially in the light of the recent news surrounding Blizzard's cancellation of the HGC and scaling back development from Heroes of the Storm. Now we have a number of people saying they're going to have to retire. But is this truly the case? Your thoughts Thorin?

[@calDonnelly]

Usually I hate you Thorin, but this is probably the smartest thing I've ever heard you say

[@Bagjo123]

i feel so bad for K today.. i understand faze.. but i still feel for him.

[@jamesdale8199]

Papabiceps nicest guy in esports and the person I most want to have a successful career outside of the pro scene regardless of what it is

[@Bagjo123]

Love u Thorin

[@flaviomauri]

Nuff' said! :)

[@r3pents7]

this could be (GENERAL)

[@iboibo9000]

Thoorin slowly is turning to a cheery

[@kasperrichoff2992]

Get Sunde, Ave and zonic on the show!!

[@vintyprod]

Why does skill decay as players get older?

[@bareyeelos2417]

ody vinty* I don’t think it has specifically something to do with aging, simply that when players get older they have other obligations like family etc which will detract from practicing time and motivation

[@KingOfBlades27]

You get older your reactiontime gets slower.

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

Its got more to do with how long youve played cuz u start losing motivation and interest in the game the longer u play it

[@brandonmoore9440]

@KingOfBlades27 while that is true your reaction times will get worse with age you are not going to diminish where you can't play csgo at 30 years old that's just foolish look at fallen he's 27 still a very good player Forest he's 30(he's up and down but his skill is still very high) so I don't think that's the problem the problem I think is that a lot of players that were good in the earlier years of csgo did not have the competition as far as talent goes in 2012-2014 as it is now so the skill ceiling to be a pro was lower back then and some of these pros like pasha wouldn't even have the skill to be in a top tier team if they started their career now as apposed to back when they did and then you also have the issue where someone like pasha has made over 600K in prize pool money alone not including how ever many months/years he was making 20-30k on VP so while they may not come out and say it (or even believe it) subconsciously they have made a lot of money and desire just probably isn't there to compete at a high level anymore since realistically they have enough money to do whatever like go to school and get a high paying job or just coast for a few years and then do something like that.

[@brandonmoore9440]

You can still read it fine it's a youtube comment not a fucking essay for your community college ENG101 class...

[@itriggerpeople4433]

Lmao that thumbnail

[@kaigreen5641]

Even Kobe's fairytale retirement game wasnt perfect. Yeah he scored like 50 points but he took about 900 shots and his opponents were weak D'ing him on purpose.

[@nosaltjustsugar6528]

pasha please...dont retire!!!!

[@yey862]

Im a league of legends player and i am trying out cs:go right now I don't know anything about fps games I've played for 5 hours of cs:go already and i kind of get the gist of it But i know myself that there's a long way to go for me So how do i start to become a better player?

[@CatnamedMittens]

Gotta learn the fundamentals.

[@arep7771]

i agree wtih the definition of dont retire for csgo pro. i mean its fine if u go to lower level team or do something related to csgo i.e streamer, analyst, host, coach, manager, interviewer, etc but if u know u cant shoot like a decent pro just dont join top tier team n try to be the in game support or igl. the reason i said that because the space within the team is not big. just 5 players per team. if u really bad at shooting ur role in team doesnt matter anymore. just imagine a situation where all other teammate is dead already, do u really expect this guy who bad at shooting to get a clean shot to clutch it?? even its a 1v1 u dont expect more out of him. u just HOPE for the best that he can win it.

[@DougisArmed]

If everybody did this the community would be so much better at Counter-Strike.

[@AgiDaKinG]

I like how Thorin makes a long video roasting Skadoodle and C9's management for keeping him around too long, then uses Skadoodle as an example as someone who retired too soon due to peer pressure... what the fuck.

[@every116]

Thorin's argument here is that players should never retire until they wither want to or are forced too. Thorin is also a big advocate for "Cut a player too early instead of too late" for the most elite teams. This isn't contradictory, just because he was a critic of C9 keeping Skadoodle on their roster doesn't mean he thinks that Skadoodle should leave CSGO entirely. He kind of implies as much here, like in his example when MJ went to play for the Wizards instead of the Bulls in his aging years, or the ex-VP players playing for lesser Polish organizations instead of trying to pretend they can remain at the very top any longer. He's not criticizing the players for continuing to play the game that they love, but he will criticize an org for keeping a player that is clearly past the point where they can perform at their peak potential.

[@jeanclaude2794]

there's more to life then video games...successful pros can invest their winnings/earnings and make a living that way...some don't like playing a game for a living...

[@RaidsEpicly]

How can you possibly become pro without enjoying grinding the game enough to get there? It's almost unbelievable how many hours pro LoL and CS:GO players pour into the game before they get a single dollar out of it

[@lassihavukainen584]

And he said that if you really just don't wanna play anymore, just retire.

[@PureShinigami]

Didn't you say skadoodle should retire several times because his form was so pathetic over such a long time?

[@arbaazkhan4887]

Retire from C9 not the game

[@m4dalex478]

Wait a minute, I am confused.. Didn't Thorin wish that Skadoodle never comes back to Cloud9 in a previous video? Well Cloud9 was the best gig for Skadoodle then and he stayed as much as possible.. Why was Thorin so much more "aggressive" against Ska's decision to stay but now says "Stay until someone has the balls to actually fire you"?? Having asked that, as a sincere question, I agree with the idea of not retiring because of external pressure, it is your life and career you should retire when the fuck you actually want to!

[@Zakta2100]

yEe boi

[@N1TRO]

Zeus :'(:'(

[@soldatheero]

no perfect ending? i dunno GSP's ending seemed pretty perfect.. retires undefeated (kinda) and then comes back goes up a weight category and beats a champ.

[@brunorangel1739]

Soaz's life story

[@ColonelMeteorz]

but soaz has been getting better, same with uzi who has just been getting better despite having a shoulder injury.

[@MrMiggoH]

Soaz is a real asset for a team. Not only is he a top laner you can count on to perform decent at all times but he has a shit ton of experience to be used in coaching.

[@airbreyaresports5871]

yeah I mean to be fair you deffinitly told skadoodle to retire mad times lmfao but hey the point still is right on as always vitality is the example of this... 4 old vets who were cast away recruit zywoo now are relevant again....

[@Crono2077]

When you're as bad as smithzz it's definitely time to retire, I'd say that's a fairly reasonable cutoff point. To be fair nobody in the current 30 year old pro range is nearly that bad, so they definitely can still do something useful in the game if they still have the desire. But unfortunately someone like zeus is definitely close to that range, and he himself said that 2019 will be the last year he plays professionally, so it's probably a good time to retire for him.

[@grantevers7559]

So true. People act like someone like Taz is ancient, dudes only 30 what’s the point of retiring that early then finding a real job to do

[@grantevers7559]

Relish the fact that you have one of the most unique exciting jobs that many people would love to have

[@wailali5646]

Whoever fired Karrigan should watch this video

[@Zcollard31]

Ray Lewis, went out as a Super Bowl champion.

[@the_bottomfragger]

Your point being? Going out as champion is a cool narrative but shit feeling. Didier Cuche, one of the finest downhill skiers, decided to retire mid-season and then proceeded to win Kitzbühel and more prestigious races and regretted it as well.

[@Zcollard31]

@@the_bottomfragger he said people don't go out on top in sports...pointing out one of the very few examples of it actually happening.

[@the_bottomfragger]

@@Zcollard31 Thanks for clarifying. I understood it differently, he didn't mean it never happens but it only works as a narrative and is quite unsatisfying for the athlete because he thinks he could've still accomplished more. At least that's how I understood it. There are quite a few cases, I just listed one where the athlete was unhappy with it.

[@Zcollard31]

@@the_bottomfragger With Ray Lewis, he was degrading in his ability to play the game...but like Thorinn talked about he brought something else to the table which was leadership for the Baltimore Ravens. He got out of the game because he was getting a new injury every season for like 3 straight seasons, anything he would of put further into Football would of just been degrading his quality of life later in life, something Esports players don't have to take into account because the game isn't physically demanding.

[@sceezer8440]

i dont get why skills HAS to decay with age. sako is arguably a top 5-10 street fighter player in the world and he's 40. i would agrue fighting games are mechanically harder than something like league. especially for someone like sako who is known as an execution god and going hard combos. i've said this before, but maybe its the team aspect that makes playing for decades harder in other e-sports. the stress of having to live in a teamhouse with people you might not like on a personal level for years probably takes its toll.

[@byte1011]

Esports change dramatically compared to sports. With experience, it becomes harder to learn new things and change your style. A new player doesn't have the legacy of an old style or outdated habits they need to undo first.

[@johnscripter1792]

Clearly he hasn’t watched pascha stream. He has the persona

[@tqmmm_2577]

In Pasha's case i think the major factor was his family.

[@alxuria]

did he confirm retirement ?

[@TheTykus]

Hey, whats up with your eyes/eyelids? You alright health wise?

[@musicplayah]

hehe nice shirt.

[@ravi_arithocrix5040]

that intro is so sad. neo saying just an average csgo player. no NEO u are the one. don't go just try again.

[@LeeTrojanDOTA]

@spawn

[@frankyboy3692]

KennyS should retire

[@miavolosss]

He was a top 1-3 not even a yesr ago. He's just been on failed teams since the shox-nbk-apex split with G2

[@seanbailey317]

Boomt00th KennyS has 0 motivation, he isn’t playing well cos he doesn’t give a shit atm.

[@havoc3478]

Big Shoutout to SHROUD, this content is for him. Hahaha like if u agree