This Woman Had Something Very Strange in Her Attic

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[@fredrikheyerdahl2140]

How was this posted commented 3 hours before the video released???

[@chrisdavidoreilly5073]

I bet you it was a formal lover in the attic room next door to the two master bedroom and he went to prison now remarried marital is the quiet life 42 or am I completely wrong Hi from Chester 🇬🇧👍

[@Zaron_Gaming]

@@fredrikheyerdahl2140 the video was either private or unlisted. He commented that then made it public

[@imadkhalid517]

name of the film, please!

[@mayslae]

as a french person this is one of the worst adds for a language learning app ive ever seen jesus fuck

[@blame7121]

Adultery, drove her husband to madness (literally), groomed an underage boy, was an accessory to murder, covered up for the murderer (obstruction of justice) and what have you. And walked out free? Madness

[@the-og-cerealkiller]

Because women are always somehow victims At least according to my equality loving mother lol

[@kayleigh3648]

That made me so angry that she didn’t get charged for ANYTHING!!! Not only was she sleeping with an underage boy, but she kept him in a tiny little living space with no contact with the outside world!!! And this was before social media and the internet, so he had ZERO human contact other than her. Imagine going 10 years like that and (I don’t think) he even left the house either! Plus the free labor- That’s literally enslavement! I have no idea why he agreed to it, I’m guessing she convinced him she would leave her husband one day 🤷‍♀️ Idk, but not only that, her poor husband too! Not only was she having an affair but using his money to support another human being without his knowledge and allowing him to think he was going crazy and whatnot!🤦‍♀️ What she did to both of them was sooo AWFUL and she’s such a horrible person!!! I wouldn’t be surprised if she told Otto to kill him if he ever started to act “out of control” and painted the picture that he was abusive and dangerous. Then she waited for a night where he was drinking and already in a bad mood so she could say all the things she knew would push his buttons and get a reaction out of him. That way if things ever went south with otto, she could always maintain the story of self defense without worrying about him ratting her out later. I think it was her plan from the beginning to get otto to shoot him and make him think he did the right thing🙄

[@allseeingotto2912]

Women’s privilege, it’s been like that forever in the west .

[@heathertaylor8904]

Absolute and utter madness. Poor Fred. 😔

[@mychannel-rt2gn]

Dolly was 17 when she married Fred (she worked for him since she was 12). This whole story is gross

[@royjudson4380]

If I had to make a story up, I dont think I could come up with anything as good as this, Truth is definitely stranger than fiction.

[@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc]

Always has been. Always will be

[@Mira-fb5kq]

,@Fishy Tree

[@royslapped4463]

)l)

[@jake6699]

mr ballen fan?

[@Stanley.77]

Me neither! As the saying goes, "Truth is stranger than fiction!"

[@missScarlatine]

Otto was 17 when they first met, he was basically a kid being groomed. Ps: seeing all the people in the comment justifying it makes me truly concerned for teenagers.

[@AnOddBird]

That would explain why he'd be pressured to stay in such a bizarre situation.

[@brumous9364]

Oh God that just makes it worse

[@roystondaniel2849]

@@brumous9364 yeah like how was she just spared like that and only reason she was found out was because of her well lusty desires

[@thymythymyth]

That’s borderline paedophilia

[@franz009franz]

@@thymythymyth acutally that's 0% paedophilia

[@vlmellody51]

We actually studied this case in a psychology class I took in the early 1980s. It was an example of gaslighting, of manipulating another's perceptions for some form of personal gain.

[@genkiferal7178]

she played 3 men. I don't want t be a crook, but I think I could learn a few things from her.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

@@genkiferal7178 Yeah flimsy abusive relationships with three people is better than a healthy relationship with one person.

[@Ciesiam]

@@genkiferal7178 How is the hell is this gaslighting?

[@calvinsmith47]

@@Ciesiam It was gaslighting when her husband heard sounds from the attic and she said that she couldn't hear anything.

[@TexasNinjaReturns]

@Calvin Smith Yes you are right. That is exactly how the word was invented

[@redshirt49]

You forgot to mention that she cheated on the lawyer too, and it was that guy who had hidden one of the murder weapons on her behalf. Her neighbor hid the other one. At one point in time, she had no less than three lovers at once, none of whom knew about each other. To recap : She was in possession of the stolen goods and both murder weapons, all hidden at her behest, all recovered by the police eventually. And STILL the jury wasn't sure about her guilt in the matter. In fact, the majority of the jury wanted to acquit her! This woman was a sociopath and narcissist through and through, the only reason she got away with it at all was because was because sexism in the legal system at the time worked in her favor.

[@Ashley-ku7is]

Insane. I can't imagine loving someone enough to live in an attic for 9 years.

[@Turrican60]

More like mind control than love. She abused the kid.

[@huskiehuskerson5300]

That's not love, wtf is wrong with you that's called being gaslighted and also having a below average intelligence

[@redingtonramos8791]

I can 👀

[@lightnight1481]

Ew. What she did was basically kidnap and manipulate a 17 yr old.

[@MrMarckeedee]

@@lightnight1481 they met at 17. I suspect he was probably older by the time she schemed this bizarre idea after a while of neighbors gettin suspicious He was a full grown man at 26 or 27 by the time he murdered the husband....he could have easily “escaped” if he wanted to.

[@MichaelDavis-zf6nt]

Every night when the mice in my attic start running around my wife insist on going up to try to kill them herself, I really don't like them. She really does try her hardest. You can hear the banging on the floor as she tries to stomp them, her screeching and screaming, in fear of course, as they run in and out of hiding spots. She hasn't had much luck though as she tends to go up there nearly every night. She even takes food up there to try to tempt them into the open. I want to help but she insist, after all, it does give her something to do. She is just the best ever.

[@JD92sy]

My wife goes round to our neighbours house every night as he also has the same problem i to often her moaning in frustration once she returns home she is always so tired from her hard work and selflessness that she just jumps straight into bed to prepare for the next day of getting back round to help him, I’m so proud and lucky to have found her.

[@prepperjonpnw6482]

Interestingly I live in an attic next door to Jack Daniel. My land lady lives down stairs with her husband Michael Davis. At night she comes up to the attic to make sure there’s no mice. My neighbour’s wife often comes over to help. I’m exhausted from all this mice chasing but someone has to help these ladies

[@lorellgingrich6603]

lol

[@robinright825]

You guys! Awesome.

[@stephanielee1261]

Two words - mice traps. 👍

[@kalanaherath3076]

The most impressive part of this story is how, despite being so young, Otto was skilled enough to always work the intricate threading of her sewing machine correctly

[@sunnyjim1355]

He literally learned 'on the job'.

[@marshawargo7238]

& had job security, sleeping with the "future owner"...

[@samsara-summermooncomehome5881]

I don't know, I reckon the most impressive part was her husband recalling Otto when he was dead!

[@zacharyhowe1725]

I’m 34 and my memaw and gigi didn’t love me nuff to teach me and I can’t figure out and I figured oregan trail on the apple II so I’m like that wheelchair British fellah

[@rudra62]

Ummm, many girls and some boys learn to thread sewing machines correctly - and some modern sewing machines are much more complicated than anything that existed in 1922.

[@finnisqueer]

I can't believe Dolly actually got away with everything in the end. Not just being involved in her husband's murder, but grooming an underaged boy, keeping him in her attic as a literal sex slave for years.. Poor Otto. At least it seems he was able to move on and be happy. Dolly should have spent her remaining years in jail, imo.

[@ASHERUISE]

Poor Otto? He wasn't underage for 9 years and she wasn't keeping him locked up in there, it was his choice to hide in his married lover's attic for 9 years like who does that? Dolly is guilty of gaslighting to cover up her creepy-ass attic affair but I definitely blame Otto for the murder.

[@Bhatt_Hole]

"Underaged boy"? lol! In the early 1900's? lolol

[@buffytraylor9888]

So sad

[@abhisheksharma-sb3er]

​​@@ASHERUISE he wasn't considered underage in the early 1900's but he was surely groomed and manipulated there should be other charges like obstruction of justice and hiding of evidence(not sure these charges were a thing back in days) Beside he(otto) was a victim and she was the culprit

[@PaddeeBA]

This story makes me so mad lol. It was one thing that Otto was let free in the end, he did murder Fred but after being groomed from the age of 17 only to probably go a little crazy from being locked in the attic and used as basically a slave by manipulation for 9 years, I can at least say he was also a victim here and don’t mind so much that he was free in the end. But I cannot believe Dolly actually got off scot free in the end. She just seems like a terrible person all around. Grooming a 17 year old, making him basically be a slave so she can have her cake and eat it too and overall seeming to only care about getting what she wants

[@nl.dauhoo]

Me too

[@SangoProductions213]

God damn. What an evil woman. Imagine being tormented by "hallucinations" for 9 years to the point of alcoholism, at the behest of your "wife." Even if that was as far as it went, that's still pure evil.

[@OriLOK2]

Not to mention harboring a man as a s*x slave

[@babatunde9992]

Shed been using 2 guys to satisfy her needs while also taking them down with her

[@shoresofpatmos]

Pure evil

[@samsara-summermooncomehome5881]

Don't mess with us btches! 😂

[@MakeMeLo]

He wasn't hallucinating, there were noises. She was gaslighting him, making him think he was crazy. That is non physical mental abuse.

[@salahdehina9733]

How on earth was she deemed innocent?! She destroyed her man's life and made him believe that he was going insane for a whole decade all whilst cheating on him. Not to mention that he got killed because of it all! Even execution wouldn't have been enough.

[@Theoneandonly0822gman]

Well, looking at it from a legal standpoint, she never did anything illegal, even of what she did was awful

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@Theoneandonly0822gman She was witness to a murder and helped the murderer. I think that's illegal enough.

[@zkrmehsen5452]

@@Theoneandonly0822gman But Otto doe... Idk 'bout you, but that does *not* look like man slaughter to me.

[@GAndreC]

Yes but he confronted her about cheating and threatened to put her out on the curve with all her stuff and bus fare so that makes him the bad guy. What are u sexist lol

[@stackflow343]

Definitely not innocent, even though it wasn't planned she still helped Otto cover it up, making her an accessory to the crime. The statute of limitations however, made that hard to convict. I'm sure cultural views of the era contributed as well.

[@Matt-hs7gs]

Interestingly, as soon as he said “they would never have guessed what she was hiding” I was like “a person”. Yes, I feel very proud of myself ☺️

[@godoftwinkies574]

I thought "i cant bother" and yes, i'm proud of myself too.

[@incognitotamizhan9679]

@@godoftwinkies574 bogos binted?

[@Matt-hs7gs]

@@godoftwinkies574 plss 😭😂

[@classifiedinformation6353]

@@godoftwinkies574 Me, too. Love the name "God of Twinkies". hehe...

[@samsara-summermooncomehome5881]

You and the majority of the viewers! Not really that hard to work out of you paid attention.🙂 (not being a b*tch, just thought it was obvious)

[@benjiebenjamin7810]

A friend of mine in late '70s, early '80s, in Slidell, LA, literally did have a man in the attic who'd had a fascination with her. She was innocent, her husband was too. Long creepy story, but weird stuffs do happen. The man entered via an opening to attic from her carport. There was no separation & he'd crawl in & out via outside ceiling entrance.

[@sloandive]

One of the main reasons I love this guy is because whenever he tells stories with a ghostly or mystical edge unlike other channels he tells the true part, that other youtubers missed out to make their videos seem crazier

[@itsmertonmuther]

Otto had tried to protect Dolly from her violent husband ? He was being gaslighted for 9years and then he snapped wtf..

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

Because women can't take consequence for their actions lmao

[@inconnu4961]

@@Geheimnis-c2e Bingo!

[@herosandwich3220]

"The only natural talent bestowed upon women is dissimulation" -Arthur Schopenhauer

[@snowshinobi1142]

@@Geheimnis-c2e I found the boomers in this comment section lmao

[@jacobbatchelor7877]

@@snowshinobi1142 What do you mean? Men would never lie or decieve they are perfect in everyway.... I think they're either all gay or they're incels. Boomers not quite.

[@MCsCreations]

Creepy don't describe it. I literally have no words...

[@KulaGGin]

I have one word: СUNТ

[@MCsCreations]

@@KulaGGin that too.

[@surveyingfleaproductions]

and yet, here we are.

[@loatherd]

I love the fact that the guy was going insane but never once in 9 years decided to go up to the attic XD Edit: ty for all the likes.

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

Or notice the amount of food his wife consumed.

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

@@chloereed2434 *you're

[@NoNameEst1992]

@@michaelpalmieri7335 Wow people still do this correcting of grammar

[@NoNameEst1992]

@@edmundthespiffing2920 Have you seen a picture of her? He could be excused as to think she was eating all the food 😂

[@loke6664]

Yeah, going up with a shotgun would be a slightly saner alternative. I mean, I wouldn't think I had someone living up there but a burglar is the logical conclusion. I kinda feel sorry for the guy who lived upstairs, 9 years of talking to no one but his lover, doing household chores...

[@clarangakoana2634]

I heard this story on most channels here and I never get tired of hearing it over and over again..it is so bizarre and unbelievable how this woman concocted all this for years without anybody being suspicious!! Where was Otto 's family?

[@texasswade8453]

If the one you love cheated on someone to be with you, they will cheat on you to be with another. Sacrifice nothing for that person.

[@jamesdean44775]

The real mystery is how Fred had recalled that the man running down the stairs to shoot him to death was Otto.

[@aliadnan7710]

They confessed so

[@godoftwinkies574]

Robbers normaly don't hold 2 guns, it gets in the way of the robbing.

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@godoftwinkies574 unless they have an accomplice to get the stuff on a bag. two guns means you dont need to reload so early since you have double the amount of bullets plus you can shot two targets at the same time.

[@angrytedtalks]

Otto used to work for Fred - he recognised him.

[@godoftwinkies574]

@@lucasbiermann257 are u robbing a house or going to war?!? :D

[@MrX-mm7km]

If a woman leaves her husband for you, it’s a matter of time before she leaves you for her future ex husband….women like dolly don’t stick around.

[@geodkyt]

"If they'll do it *for* you, they'll do it *to* you."

[@MrX-mm7km]

@@geodkyt exactly

[@PineappleOnPizza69]

Ikr she belong to the streets

[@mabeSc]

Problem is that you have no idea who is loyal or not anymore, am just going to be lonely and happy, seems like the easy choice.

[@bigstreetguns6619]

mate, all women are like Dolly.

[@bash619x]

Seen this case on Criminally Listed and it forever stuck to me. Good to see it get more publicity 👍

[@coldmoonlight6361]

I heard it from MrBallen

[@johnnytrapantino78]

Think mr ballen went over this one

[@SaltyMinorcan]

me too. I love cl and t2

[@bsymissy]

This story made me grateful to live in an apartment. The only thing making noise above me is the neighbors.

[@bethd.6670]

As soon as Fred started hearing things, I was like "She's gaslighting him?!" but then... did not see that one coming.

[@jayorzecki8775]

I guessed it was her lover in the attic as soon as you mentioned Freds missing clothing and hearing sounds from the ceiling. Which now I think about it, why didn't he go into the attic to see if it was a wild animal or rodent, surely lover boy would have been spotted and Fred's sanity and life might have lasted much longer...

[@Tbal_96]

Wow thanks for spoiling the video

[@bigstreetguns6619]

@@Tbal_96 why the fuck are you reading the comments before watching the video?

[@zkrmehsen5452]

He was probably completely confident in the rat infestation theory of his. Never bothered to check cause of that.

[@NikkiC777]

@@zkrmehsen5452 That is probably it. You would think if he thought he had rats though that he would go up there and put out some traps. I don't know how he could be okay with thinking he had a huge rat infestation going on in his house and just do nothing about it.

[@ForeverFinest]

@@Tbal_96 you spoiled it for yourself by looking through the comments, Stupid.

[@painhurtssometimes2185]

Everyone in this story aside from the husband is literally the worst type of human being.

[@mr.spaceaids5379]

Meh not really he's an abusive drunkard

[@painhurtssometimes2185]

@@mr.spaceaids5379 he was being gaslit into thinking he’s crazy for 10 years while his wife cheated and then was murdered. Sounded like the abuse shit was something they made up to make it seems like self defense

[@mr.spaceaids5379]

@@painhurtssometimes2185 mmm you do have a point

[@zkrmehsen5452]

Well, the husband did accuse his wife of being unfaithful and argued a lot, but he was still the least creepy guy in the story, and definitely a somewhat decent person. Unlike some people in this story.

[@booblean]

@@zkrmehsen5452 But he was right to accuse her. I'm sure there must have been signs and he wasn't just accusing her out of paranoia.

[@catman7153]

I had the same experience with strange noises from my attic. It was squirrels, which turned out to be harder to get rid of than a stranger living in my attic...

[@ollvi]

your wife cheated you with a squirrels? damn that's rough!

[@godoftwinkies574]

Did they had handguns too?

[@mikkelbreiler8916]

So you did the only thing one can do - you put the sewing machine in the attic ?

[@ChrisW228]

At 7:27, he described the two small differences: 1. The husband heard the killer run DOWN the stairs and 2. The husband recognized the killer. Since the husband died on the spot, how does anyone know these things? Neither can be assumed. The husband may not have heard anything over the fighting. The man who had been living in an attic for nine years probably looked very different than when he last saw him, not to mention how hard it is to place some people out of context. I get the assumptions, but the whole take could have been told without them.

[@ericparrish1515]

Fucking goddamn GPS is rigged

[@AllredGL]

They’re just saying the differences from the original story, pretty obvious.

[@stevealston201]

Hello fellow Brit just wanna say you have kept me going through some really thought time as lost my whole family last year. So many thanks my friend.

[@-Gax-]

Here's me, hears a slight creek and goes into every small space in the house, underfoot and overhead. I've watched enough Mr Ballen, I know the deal

[@SotastatesouljaPR]

He is a sensationalist that capitalizes on people's tragedy and changes stories to make it more intriguing. He literally makes dead people looke worse.

[@-Gax-]

@@SotastatesouljaPR I don't care, Im a 32 year old father who plays Pokemon everyday. Realism isn't something I'm worried about. I know the stories he tells are sensationalism at its best most of the time. But I've watched divers react to his videos and people in which this experience was about react, they're mostly accurate. I've seen the exact same storie on Thoughty2, told mostly the same. So 🤷‍♂️ I like what I like.

[@SotastatesouljaPR]

@@-Gax- well I hope your kids grow up more empathetic than you.

[@rickhunter7]

I would too. Gun in hand.

[@Overly_Hydrated]

“Without me there, Otto will starve!” *was he chained to a wall?!?!*

[@noise2see664]

I believe dolly must have been a god in the love arts. How else would someone willingly go trough this for 9 years?

[@mkocel]

the crazy ones are the best in bed, unfortunately lol

[@huskiehuskerson5300]

@@mkocel Except they aren't lol

[@tentinquarantino3005]

Otto was 17, he was basically groomed

[@littlesongbird1]

@@tentinquarantino3005 And who knows what his back story was: perhaps he didn't have any family or close friends and her attention, however crazy, filled a void.

[@Arrusoh]

He probably wasn't the smartest guy in the world. She probably manipulated and lied to him to make him scared of leaving. She was a horrible person

[@kwakuafful3219]

Damn, so the man was murdered and no one was convicted. Such injustice. This is why i have trust issues

[@ericparrish1515]

Well, either that or worse. Wasn't yet.

[@elimidd6626]

I feel so bad for Otto, he was a kid when this all started and she most likely groomed and manipulated him in order to keep him there for 9 years. If a man had done this to a woman he'd definitely be tried for kidnapping or holding someone against their will, and yet she was allowed to be free.

[@L0rdOfThePies]

Me too, im just glad he seemingly got himself a proper wife. I hope his social ability wasnt wrecked by being in there for years

[@Snipethebambi]

I can’t wait to go to bed tonight and hear all the people move around upstairs.

[@thegougy]

no worries if you started to live with a woman less than 10years ago

[@saturnianrings3920]

I live in an Apartment, so irs normal.

[@Snipethebambi]

@@saturnianrings3920 I live in the basement so I get it. I know who’s up there at all times 😂

[@burtknighten1873]

Heard stuff banging around in my attic every night for months. Everytime I'd check on it nothing was there. This went on for a long time. One day I decided to go up during the day and in the corner of the room, sleeping, there were 2 dozen bats.

[@andrewjohnson6716]

@@burtknighten1873 In future, if you hear something in the attic, hire a professional. Lairing raccoons produce a gas that is toxic. Breathing it has caused death, brain damage, and people passing out and falling from their attics.

[@Laffy-ix5xy]

If Fred Oesterreich never went in the attic for 9 years, where did he keep all his Christmas decorations? I've got 10 boxes full in my attic.

[@Destyvirago]

His "wife" would have gotten everything they need from the attic when he was at work, so he never had a real need to go up there i suppose.

[@godoftwinkies574]

In the garage.

[@domundtgregor6683]

remember this took place in the 1920's ... decades before the absurdity of Christmas decorations we have to endure today

[@Laffy-ix5xy]

@@godoftwinkies574 But then where were all his tools that he never used and that thing that he was going to get around to fixing, but never did? Maybe I'm just thinking of my dad 😄

[@Laffy-ix5xy]

@@domundtgregor6683 Yes that's true. But then I love putting up the decs.

[@robinright825]

I had to hide my boyfriend in my closet one night. He'd come over while my parents went out to dinner. They returned home much earlier than anticipated. We had 2 barky dogs and creaky wood floors - I was terrified at the prospect of sneaking him out after everyone had gone to bed. I couldn't imagine getting away with it! Fortunately I did manage to get him out of the house without getting caught - WHEW - I never tried that again!!! Thankfully this was back in the 1970's - before security alarms, security cameras, etc..... Ha - my stomach is in knots now just telling the story!!! 😂

[@ltraina3353]

Oooo, sounds like my house, growing up in the 80’s. I couldn’t get away with anything! That scenario would have been such a nightmare!

[@jaybingham3711]

11:20 Even more remarkable, it appears Otto with all his free time had successfully designed and produced the first-ever mock-up of a flat panel monitor decades before the first television.

[@mattlogue1300]

Yeah I saw Fred's phone too

[@theemptyatom]

the dude never went to the attic for 9 years? wow. Someone could live in your attic that long and you would never hear anything and not check it out is amazing.

[@MakeMeLo]

I don't remember hearing anything about her being battered and bruised, it makes me feel like her husband's murder wasn't justified. She was an abusive person herself.

[@shoresofpatmos]

@Xhade Brinsbane so woman are incapable of abuse?

[@roberto730]

​@Xhade Brinsbane yikes, woman can abuse she totally should've gone to jail. Your mindset is FREAKING hilarious

[@sharkhenry8010]

@Xhade Brinsbane did you not get enough hugs as a kid? Lmao.

[@PieterPatrick]

@Xhade Brinsbane Ever heard of manipulation? I escaped a wife after being abused for a year. A lovely narcissistic smart women that makes you believe it's all your fault.

[@PieterPatrick]

@Xhade Brinsbane You can't blame people for having a weak moment or being weak. And you also underestimate the power of manipulation. She will break you mentally bit by bit while being the best wife and a great mother. I was not weak, maybe naive, but I never met a narcist like that. And you can't leave because the kids need you to be there. .....Thank God, they weren't my kids. Still hard to leave, you instantly fall in love with kids.

[@rvxn]

Damn, This is some God Level Simping

[@chrislarcombemusic8445]

Insane isn’t it

[@Sara-tf5si]

He was a minor. Not a simp when he was groomed and abused.

[@christbelle2277]

@@Sara-tf5si BRO HE LIVED IN HER ATTIC FOR 9 YEARS

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@christbelle2277 He was 17 when she put the moves on him. Still creepy no matter how you spin it.

[@jackdurden466]

@@christbelle2277 and I’d venture a safe guess he never spent a dime of any money he had. There’s something to be said about that, at the very least.

[@hangoutwithme346]

This needs to be a creepy movie with Joaquin Phoenix staring as the attic man.

[@marshawargo7238]

Joaquin's a bit too old for the part. Maybe Robert Pattinson?

[@desireer6915]

This lady was pure evil. I wish she had gone to jail.

[@righty-o3585]

How could they possibly know that Fred heard anybody come downstairs, or that he recognized the man, if Fred was already dead when the authorities got there?

[@anthonywhitehead9660]

My wife always rolled her eyes when she hears "Hey Thoughty 2 here" probably one of my favorite catch phrases on KZbin

[@lilgwtflol3800]

Haha same here eveynight in bed

[@r3ctz620]

At this point if he just made up all of his stories I wouldn't care because they're so entertaining

[@smhgaming3259]

This is 100% a true story

[@EterPuralis]

Try The Casual Criminalist with Simon Whistler, it's even better.

[@alicewilloughby4318]

9:21 - This bizarre twist brings up so many questions! What happened when Otto had to use the toilet? I assume he could use the shower during the day when Fred was at work, but some things can't wait that long! Did he ever get out into the fresh air and sunlight? Did he ever see any friends, or any other human beings at all? 11:15 - Some questions answered. God, he was practically a prisoner! I find it hard to believe any "sewing machine" in the world could be worth it! It does occur to me that he was about 17 and under the influence of an older woman who may have manipulated him. Later - Okay, this story just gets weirder and weirder, but I was right that Otto was completely isolated.

[@SensationallySilky]

wAIT A DAMN MINUTE!!! Not only had that boy cooped in the attic but had him cooking, cleaning AND having an affair with her? **I CANNOT**

[@betsybrains]

I like the animation, sincerely. They've got no noses, and it works. And who doesn't love the dust particles in the attic scenes?!

[@naturequeene132]

Ha! This comment is so cute.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

I would definitely examine my attic if I thought I was going crazy hearing things and stuff around the house moving. Poor guy never got to learn he wasn't loosing his mind...

[@timothyclark1754]

As a home owner for nearly 3 years I haven't seen my attic since the initial inspection to buy the house

[@dsxa918]

In Eastern Canada, my attic was so insulated there was next to no room to go into

[@zacharymaddox6355]

How do you know Fred recognized and heard the steps coming down the stairs? Fred dead he ain’t saying nothing.

[@SydBat]

Trial transcripts.

[@kirstencristobal3204]

@@SydBat how was fred present in court if he was dead

[@SydBat]

@@kirstencristobal3204 - his wife told the story. Also her boyfriend corroborated it.

[@dnr2089]

Exactly my thoughts! How do we know he recognised Otto when he wasn’t alive to discuss it?!

[@wolfengod8277]

Swap the sexes of the cheater and the person in the attic and people would be calling the person a monster that sexually enslaved a person for a decade. This woman was a sociopath of the highest order and deserves no special treatment, because of her a young person lost a decade of his life, and an innocent man suffered psychological damage and was murdered. Truly a sick and disturbing woman.

[@NoirL.A.]

i'm L.A. born (1968) and raised and i knew about this story before i ever had internet access (i was a geek and big time into vintage L.A. crime) but to think a hell of alot of other crimes that were known at least locally (no tv in 1922 even radios and movies were rare and expensive) would've just "dissolved into history" were it not for them being picked up so to speak by the internet.

[@brisman1963]

11:27 - I can only assume that Dolly had one hell-of-a-nice 'sewing machine'. 😀😀😀😀😀

[@bIametheniIe]

Fred is a perfect example of someone that has been gaslight. Dolly was gaslighting Fred for 9 years while Otto was living in the attic the whole time.

[@HenryC04]

I heard of this case originally from MrBallen but I'm here to listen again. It's a great mystery.

[@Buckpwnz]

Ahh yeah, I knew I had heard this, couldn't remember where though.

[@stelamo]

yer me to , only listened to this a week ago !

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

Who's Mr Ballen?

[@HenryC04]

@@michaelpalmieri7335 a KZbin storyteller focusing on the strange dark and mysterious

[@Buckpwnz]

@@michaelpalmieri7335 A cool story teller with less visuals and humor than Thoughty2 ;)

[@AeridisArt]

You know, when Thoughty2 asks what we thought happened in the beginning of the video, my first thought was that Dolly had a secret lover that went to defend her. While I was right, I did not expect said lover to be living in the attic for NINE YEARS! WTF?!

[@pete3011]

PSA: When the narrator said that Otto was going to "fix her sewing machine", he didnt mean that he was ACTUALLY going to fix her sewing machine. He meant that Otto was going to have sex with her. I hope this might clear up any confusion. Thank you.

[@0cean144]

I think we all know this, we're not 5.

[@Kryonsmommy]

Both husband and lover were subjected to extreme psychological abuse by Dolly. She had no problem gaslighting one and manipulating the other.

[@Snbg421]

It's crazy what a wife can do to her husband 🤯

[@chloereed2434]

Its narcissistic abuse. Happens all the time regardless of gender and relationship.

[@joelshajan8706]

They can't match them physically,so they take the mental route,unfortunately,that doesn't count as abuse in most courts. Domestic abuse is done by just as many if not more women yet only men have the stigma..

[@skylovermc2146]

Seriously….?

[@SkycometAnimeVamp]

@@joelshajan8706 it’s incredibly frustrating to have such a disparity in the court systems. The favoring of women is ironically a leftover but of the patriarchy. Like all of the patriarchy it needs to be cleansed from the system. Gloria Steinem once said: A uterus is not a replacement for a conscience

[@rbracewell21]

I remember this story. Ultimate simp story.

[@amanidavis2814]

Lmaooo facts.

[@silentcrow6602]

@Gеnshin lmpасt 🅥 What is that?

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

I think I've seen this story on the I.D. (Investigation Discovery) Channel's "A Crime To Remember," on the Travel Channel's "Mysteries At The Museum," and, I think, on a program called "Bizarre Murders." I don't recall which cable channel it was on, but I think it can be seen on the Tubi streaming channel.

[@flosa1995]

@@silentcrow6602 spam

[@rbracewell21]

Report the spammer.

[@baileym43ish]

its that humble "thank you" at the end that sells me every time.

[@johncox2865]

How freaking strange. I can’t decide who was stupider. Otto, Dolly, or the attorney? As you implied, no sewing machine is worth what either of these men did to themselves. And, the two got away with it! God, the,prisons are full of wrongly convicted people. Why not these two?

[@catherinesmitko]

just kind of laughing at the computer monitor on the desk in otto's attic apartment...it's the 1910's LOL

[@fanno]

Thoughty2 should make a compilation of all the lifesaving advice that have been given so far! Now let me check the attic just in case...

[@dsxa918]

In space, no one can hear you cream

[@tammyolive777]

You all have to remember, that was a different time. This would be a whole different story if it took place now. We didn't have the same laws then that we do now. Yes she was a horrible person and definitely deserved prison for all she did. People like her are why we now have harsher laws and punishments.

[@kathryncarter6143]

Rather what I was thinking

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

Plenty of women get away with lighter sentences or no sentences even today

[@ianinalukianenko9689]

@@Dhruv_Dogra So do plenty of men. You don't have a problem with that?

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

@@ianinalukianenko9689 which man today got away with a light sentence for the same crime that a woman did and was punished severely for ?? Stop lying.

[@ianinalukianenko9689]

@@Dhruv_Dogra Every single abuser in the Middle East gets away with much more than what is discussed here today?? Stop trying to pathetically lie.

[@spacemissing]

In the absence of logical thought by the police, two people got away with murder. That isn't weird at all.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

It's the least weird part of this whole story. Unfortunately.

[@Fotosynthesis858]

Love your channel! The animations are remarkable & your storytelling is legendary! Please keep the content flowing 💪🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@fredflintstoner596]

Mrs Richards: " I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment?

[@Overonator]

Here is what I don't understand. Why didn't the guy go to the attic to investigate the noises he heard up there? His wife was gaslighting him claiming she didn't hear anything but if he had done so he would have discovered someone was living there.

[@stevie6900]

good point! personally, i usually don’t investigate a noise if i’m afraid of it being real. maybe he subconsciously didn’t want to find whatever the source of the noise could be. “out of sight, out of mind” and all that.

[@BoereViking]

Last time I was this early, my wife was seriously dissapointed... Edit after watching the video: Knowing the Afrikaans word for a sewing machine makes this story so much funnier...

[@ferdblu1946]

Lmao, good one

[@keesketsers5866]

Dutchy here : same :)

[@pruggy5058]

Ok you got me hooked🎣 Spill the beans, Rasta! 😂 What are we all (non Afrikaan speaking peeps) missing out on?!

[@lenrocoraf3709]

@@pruggy5058 we call it a NAAI masjien. I'll leave you to figure it out!!!

[@BoereViking]

@@pruggy5058 naai masjien that translates directly to shag/hammer time machine...

[@andyginterblues2961]

I was a borderline "kept" man for years, she didn't keep me in the attic, (we shared several apartments over the years), but she had one of those magnificent "sewing machines".

[@SmertDaBaus]

The most bizarre fact of this entire situation is that her husband never went into the attic of either of his homes

[@Rosemarysummers2]

Charming and bright young man

[@Chrfun88]

Love when you’re making these kind of “bizzare-murder-mystery” stories!! Absolutely crazy story btw 😅

[@simmonedavis98]

He should definitely do more! Almost like a murder and makeup thing. Except for makeup it'd be murder and mustache haha 😆

[@TokuNorth]

He.. he didn't make up the story....this happened

[@simmonedavis98]

@@TokuNorth oh I know it was a real story. I don't think the guy that made the original comment does though 👀

[@TokuNorth]

@@simmonedavis98 yeah i was replying to the original commenter :D

[@simmonedavis98]

@@TokuNorth Oh, haha. Gotcha

[@benjaminstevens4468]

I was just telling my Uber driver, (literally a couple of hours ago,) about my neighbors, who found out they had had someone living in their attic, for at least a few months, when they found a sleeping bag and a bunch of empty food packaging. There had been a means to acquire egress into the attic from outside of the house, and apparently that was how they had been getting in, I know they locked up the hatch, into the attic, outside. I don’t remember what else happened, but they moved out not too long afterwards-perhaps unsurprisingly. We joked at the time about a similar situation to the one described in the video, I really hope it didn’t play out the same way!

[@mimosveta]

imagine not going to attic for 10 years to at put a rat trap

[@sunnyjim1355]

Or a least call in pest control to have a look... he could certainly afford it. That's the biggest mystery of all this imo.

[@kellyjohns6612]

I just came across this gem - better late than never, I reckon. This one is exceptional! Nicely done. Thanks.

[@jasonivea2610]

This has an adorable feel to it.

[@wade7959]

I assume a story like this is extremely rare. Yet, One of my wife's friends discovered a man living in her attic. She had no idea he'd moved in. He was always quiet when she was home. She only started to suspect something when her toilet seat was left up a couple times when her husband was out of town Yikes!

[@LagrangePoint0]

that's terrifying

[@chandlercosey5692]

…I’ll be checking the spare rooms and closets from now on.

[@curiodyssey3867]

Wow your animations are absolutely fantastic, adds a great touch to your incredible story telling.

[@roronoa92]

Just before my 16:20 nap. AWESOME!! Can't wait to see it :)

[@christinekaye6393]

I'm convinced this was the inspiration for one of my favorite movies, The Bliss of Mrs. Blossom, starring Shirley McClain. Here's a description I found: Harriet Blossom, the lonely wife of a workaholic brassiere manufacturer, breaks her sewing machine and ends up in bed with the repairman, a mechanic from one of her husband's factories. The man, Ambrose, is supposed to leave during the night, but Harriet finds him the next day still hiding in the attic. Harriet lets her new lover stay in the attic for years, managing to keep it all secret from her husband and from the detectives investigating the sudden disappearance of a certain Mr. Ambrose Tuttle. Unlike the real story, the movie has a happier ending for her first husband.

[@burgerpolice1193]

Thanks! Now I know a couple ways to cover my tracks

[@armedpenguin3825]

The wardrobe was a portal to Narnia.

[@abbynormal7525]

So Otto was a Simp? Dolly is a Chad ! Hell has no fury like a Herman scorned. Everyone walks away. Poor Neil Patrick Harris.

[@CliffCardi]

Stacy. A female Chad is called a “Stacy”.

[@dnr2089]

What’s a Simp?

[@lightnight1481]

Calling a woman who was basically a psycho who drove her husband insane and gaslighting him for years while keeping a 17 yr old as a s*x slave and essentially groomed him isn't what any normal human would consider a "chad". She was an groomer, a creep and horrible wife and disgusting excuse of a human.

[@ReikoTennosaar]

Yes! New video just when I got my pizza.

[@jamesb6102]

What kind of pizza? I'm intrigued

[@ReikoTennosaar]

@@jamesb6102 Pepperoni pizza 🤤

[@Randomguy-wd9jz]

Enjoy bro

[@thelostronin]

@@ReikoTennosaar where from? So jealous of your 🍕! Lol!

[@jamesb6102]

@@ReikoTennosaar A classic. Good choice 👌

[@aca2283]

I can completely understand Chris’s outlook on life and a desire for freedom. His tragic upbringing in an abusive home would have shaped his intense inner desire to find peace. It would also have fuelled his discomfort with “society”, or more specifically, people. When a child endures an upbringing of abuse, neglect and cruelty from the very people they are supposed to be loved and protected by - his ability to fit in, or to be comfortable around people at large would have been seriously compromised. Meanwhile nature would have represented respite from the fear of humans and their unpredictable and cruel machinations. Chris’s story is sad for I am sure he was an incredibly kind soul and would have lived a much longer and more fulfilling life if his parents had not mortally wounded him in childhood. RIP Chris.

[@Sp0on777]

Was this comment meant for a different video?

[@kaioocarvalho]

Thanks to the fact that I live in an apartment, noises from strangers upstairs are just normal annoyances.

[@BlakeGildaphish76]

This sounds like a 1968 movie called "The Bliss of Mrs. Blossom" in which a married woman keeps her lover in the attic. The arrangement went on for years, but no one was murdered. i always thought the story was asinine, but i never imagined that it was based on factual events.

[@chiricahuaapache5132]

There was a tv movie made about this case with Mimi Rogers as Dolly and Neil Patrick Harris as Otto. I think George Dzundsa played Fred.

[@anthonycoca2202]

Wow. This story had everything. Including amazingly fun graphics. It’s now one of my top 5 faves. Great job!

[@aljawad]

Actually, two made-for-TV films were made about the case: the already mentioned “The Man in the Attic” as well as “Lover in the Attic”.

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

"The Man In The Attic" was also the title of a film made in the 1950s that was based on the novel "The Lodger" (filmed a few times before under that title), which was about a psychotic London killer modeled after Jack The Ripper.

[@MasterChef-cb4vi]

I first watched this video on the Mr. Ballen channel. My second time watching it (on this channel) was like I was listening to a whole other story! You truly are very talented.

[@blackwings2885]

When he said "Her thoughts naturally turned to the big man upstairs" then followed with "otto" I laughed so hard I choked...

[@frankboogaard88]

Babbel is GOOD. I, as a Dutch guy, tried their Dutch course. It was hilarious. Funnest thing I ever did. OMG, they are so clueless...

[@wickedlee664]

“His SIMPle existence was about to come to an end.” Indeed-

[@2degucitas]

I saw what you both did there

[@ianalvord3903]

15:15 As her lawyer, was it legal for him to tell the police the truth? (Morality aside)

[@saturnianrings3920]

And, didn’t he with hold information from the Police?

[@1SCme]

Off the top of my head: Otto, who wasn't a client at the time, confessed his crime to the lawyer, appeared to provide all the details of his and Dolly's actions, so it wouldn't be covered. The initial discussions while serving as her lawyer would be protected, but Dolly likely discussed the events outside the lawyer-client relationship (after her trial, when not paying the lawyer for his services). This is just my best guess - lawyer-client confidentiality can get complicated, changes by jurisdiction, and the law might have changed over time. The lawyer kept his toes just barely on the legal side of the line - note that AFTER representing Dolly at the trial, he didn't threaten to report Dolly and Otto to the police (coercion), he threatened to leave Dolly. Dolly appeared to be running a long term plan (though hard to tell the law in her jurisdiction at the time), waiting 10 years until the statute of limitations for manslaughter and perjury had expired, to leave the lawyer, knowing he would likely report her. Dolly correctly bet that 1st degree murder wouldn't hold (murder wasn't planned), and the lawyer wouldn't embellish his testimony (claiming it was planned).

[@sunnyjim1355]

He's only bound as a lawyer while representing her during the trail. She dumped him years later, remember - it was then that he informed the police.

[@1SCme]

@@saturnianrings3920 While serving as a defense lawyer, the information he is required to turn over is limited. Afterwards as a citizen, laws vary by jurisdiction, but generally most people are under no legal obligation to report a crime.

[@andrewmcquade9413]

I remember reading a story about a woman living in someone’s crawl space in Japan and it still haunts me