There Might Have Been Another Race Before Humans

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There's an old sci-fi short story called "The Green Maurader" by Larry Niven (from his 'Draco Tavern' series) in which an immensely long-lived alien tells a shocked human about the species that was inhabiting Earth the last time she swung through this neck of the woods, _before aerobic bacteria transformed the atmosphere_ and wiped them out. Apparently she was sad that they, and all trace of their bio-based (and hence bio-degradeable), technology gone because she liked their arts and music. Not to worry though, the oxygen-breathing evolved apes were quite interesting in themselves and would provide much for her to trade and entertain herself with on her travels. The human was left to wonder about what the alien would find on her next circuit of the galaxy, and who, or what, she'd be telling stories about him to... (Edited to include correct names of the stories and the sex of the alien)

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Hikers guide to the galaxy rings a bell, may be.The story you describe sounds familiar.

[@Coensel]

The story is called "The Green Maurader" by indeed Larry Niven. It was part of the book "The Draco Tavern", also by Larry Niven. However, there is a book called "Tales from the Spaceport Bar", edited by George H. Scithers and Darrell Schweitz. This is collection of short scifi stories (basically like "The Draco Tavern") and the first story in this book just happens to be that same "The Green Maurader" by Larry Niven. So props for your memory OP!

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

something to consider: When I was working as a comp sci student at sheffield university there was a project for storing data on crystals using lasers to flip the electrons (bits). We found some crystals dug up from the ground were essentially pre formatted, and not at all random as expected. I still dont know if there was ever an explanation for this - but at the time it was very bizarre and cause a lot of UFO types some big interest. Personally I believe that human civilization was more advanced pre the near extinction event aprox 13k years ago, I think this the most likely explanation for various artifacts that have been found, including those pre formatted crystals.

[@V972N]

Pre formatted? Could the data be interpreted?

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

@@V972N no they were essentially blank. but they were BLANK - rather than either random or specifically aligned due to near by magnetic fields - our 2 expected states.

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What an imagination you have

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@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 so you're saying they're like empty disc?

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13k years ago extinction event… Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock say hi.

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Might be the Mandela effect...

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😂 That's some old fashioned anti-semitism.

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lizards?

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[@Mikkelltheimmortal]

I'm a geology nerd so that's where this comment is coming from; When you look at an early Greek amphitheatre you can easily see how after millions of years of erosion it would look like nothing more than the scarp of a landslide hiding the fact that thousands of people smiled, frowned, laughed and cried while seated watching a performance for no reason other than a distraction from their lives, because to quote Simon Whistler "The past was the worst".

[@carlvege1775]

Multiple billions of people buried all over the planet in mass Graves and all the digging we do it's just impossible to find 1 they found all the Graves of the engineer's who built the pyramids but we can't find 1 of an advanced race come on. Something will be left when we're gone. All the genetic alterations we do someone will know about us.

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Do you know anything about the Great Unconformity?

[@Mikkelltheimmortal]

@@stephenmadl5609 yes, why do you ask?

[@stephenmadl5609]

Just wondering. It blew my mind when I learned about it.

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Since you're (practically) a geologist: With enough energy, would it be possible to move tectonic plates? (Like to push Atlantis waaaay south -- and ripping up the path in the process ofc)?

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[@petercox1925]

The funny thing is that the Doctor Who writers accidentally named the Silurians after a period that didn't have any dinosaurs. This was addressed decades later when the Peter Capaldi Doctor told his companion that she couldn't name the monster, he named the monsters, otherwise it would "be the Silurians all over again!"

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As a Siluren who fought the Roman's I did appreciate their Wine in Caerwent at the time.

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i came here specifically looking for a DW comment

[@themarlboromandalorian]

Earth in doctor who also had a second reptilian race known as the sea devils. Was also a species known as the draconics but I forget if they're from earth. Doctor who predicted lots of stuff. Ice volcanos, exoplanets, Apollo 13, the second Mona Lisa... Pretty sure the show is just a poorly written documentary.

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I was just about to mention the Silurians. You beat me to it! 😂

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​@@alphalunamarefor some serious information relating to caerwent and the silures go to marco guy biblical britain decoded start at his first episode if you want your mind blown

[@MrMZaccone]

When I was a kid, I read a sci-fi book called "Stranger From the Depths" that hypothesized a survivor of this kind of civilization held in suspended animation for millions of years, found and revived in the modern day. It was written for a juvenile market but the kind of fun idea that would make a pretty cool movie right about now.

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I used to read books before the galaxy S4 came out, and even before that I heard of this book but couldn't find a copy in any of my local libraries, is there anywhere I could read a digital version?

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Sorry. I don't have a clue where to find a copy. I originally got it through one of those school book programs.@@Devesh_Padayachee42069

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They made that movie a long time ago...... It's called Encino Man. And if you want another example, try Idiocracy.

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You might want to look up World of Ptavvs by Larry Niven.

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[@carguy3028]

Star Trek Voyager explores this, in the Delta quadrant they are followed by an advanced race so advanced the Voyager crew doesn’t detect them. They follow them because the humans dna is so similar to theirs more similar than any other race they have encountered. Eventually it is revealed they are dinosaurs who left earth millions of years ago, they had been in space so long they forgot where they came from.

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So, the PETM may have been the result of a massive Earth fart.

[@dunringill1747]

I remember that - it was a great episode. They were hadrosaur descendants. The episode had some good sci fi social commentary. I won't say anymore incase I give spoilers to those who wish to watch it. I looked it up. It is Star Trek Voyager 3x23 "Distant Origin".

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[@davidanderson2357]

Actually, if ancient Greek literature can be accepted, dinosaurs have been known to humans for thousands of years. It's just that the occasional discovery of some large, oddly configured skeleton was attributed to mythical creatures such as dragons or griffins or chimeras.

[@guardian2598]

It’s not much of a stretch, most do not realize our ancestors lived with megafauna. Legends are true, probably no shape shifting or fire breathing but these legends most certainly are based on some real creatures. Also there is some recently discovered strata that man and non-avian dinosaurs coexisted.

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Carvings of dinosaurs have been found on ancient Indian temples

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

I can roll with that, it's totally understandable that without current information and knowledge that something unknown would end up being described in an exaggerated manner and end up as lore rather than history, to modern people. I think given the right lens, a lot of things could make more sense about things like that.

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You would need better evidence to be able to know if that was truly the case or not though. Like I can say that the Greeks, Egyptians or any other ancient civilization believed in aliens because they worshipped gods that lived in the sky, but that doesn't make it an accurate statement. Although it makes sense to us from our modern perspective that it could be the case, it doesn't always mean it was the case. People have made up stories for a very, VERY long time and there's not a good way of knowing if those stories had any truth in them or if they were entirely fiction or to what degree they were fictional or truthful. We would need some sort of written or physical evidence that suggests that ancient civilizations did paleontology to be able to draw connections like this.

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He still suggests the BS that CO2 is might be bringing in another mass extinction. No credible scientist is saying that.

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Absolutely agreed! Who's to say we're not the first iteration of life in the cosmos? Or, who's to say we ARE the first iteration of life on this planet? Nobody knows... These are the things that occupy my brain, LoL 😂

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@@grumpus_hominidae First question: nobody is saying that. Second question: geology. Archaeology. Paeleontology. There's enough information available that if you stacked the books together, it's probably taller than the books you'd get from stacking up your genealogy. Why don't you occupy your brain with actual, evaluated information. You will eventually make your way down to mystery. The rest of the human race seems to think that if we just let people say what they want, things will work out--well, I say no. There is evidence available to you. You are being irresponsible. Use ockhams razor. Use logic. Use your faculties. Your own faculties--what's in your head. Teach yourself how to do that, through practice. And then try to evaluate the world. People were doing a better job than you, two thousand years ago with the Greeks. Four thousand years ago with the Egyptians. Twelve thousand years ago, in Turkey, with people we don't know the name of. And you are here on KZbin, doing this. [edit: corrected a typo, plus I called the Egyptians the Romans for some reason]

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So... NOT blood drinking lizards... maybe COFFEE drinking lizards?

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Thank you thoughtly for your hard work thanks to you I have learned more from the internet than I have ever learned in school.😅 You have even inspired me and influenced me as a person you made learning fun again and now my thirst for learning cannot be quenched. Now I scour all sides of the internet. Learning more and more about all the different things that interest me. You always thank me for watching. Well today I want to thank you for creating. Ps. It's definitely lizard people.... Lol maybe.

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Of course an American would say this 😅 Coming from a country that doesnt value education!

[@justkillme441]

Yup. They just don't quite look like lizards anymore

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That's not a good thing my friend. You shouldn't attribute most your information to one source

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@@FastSickle I don't. He just made learning fun.

[@soolve1]

Archaeologist here: There is also the issue of cultural layers. Much like dendrochronology (tree rings dating), where every year a tree's rings are dependent on weather and temprature fluctuations, and the possibility to look into the past trough the width and colour of the rings themselves; the earth itself works the same way. If you take a shovel, and go into your backyard and digg a hole; you will notice that the dirt has different layers, with different colours and types of minerals. Theese "layers" are what is know as cultural layers; they correspond directly to the past in terms of temperature, weather, and the overall climate. If there was an advanced species that had somehow spread worldwide, it would leave relatively obvious traces in terms of chemicals and minerals had it ever gotten remotely close to the technological status of humankind today. Altough you wouldn't be able to see anything humankind created (if we were to suddenly vanish) in a relatively short time period, the cultural layers are still there, and won't dissapear within just a few hundred millions of years.

[@brandons.3097]

Yeah. Unless the earth's land masses drifted apart like a continental drift and giant land masses were buried or something that's been proven over and over leaving a previously advanced civilization mostly underwater. Like 71% of the planet is, and in the same breath...unexplored. But yeah, assuming we go extinct and aren't luckily buried in an area that is lost in water that has consistently risen 1312 ft/four and a half football fields since the last ice age, there would be plenty of evidence in the rocks like our ancestors. Except that's all there would be EVEN THEN. Rocks. There would be no evidence of how huge, advanced, and technologically capable we were. Entire species have went without fossilizing too, and we likely won't. Worth noting.

[@MrInvinciblewarrior]

Thank you, exactly what i wanted to comment, just as total amateur

[@GD-2.00]

What about the missing layers of 1.2 billion years?

[@soolve1]

@@GD-2.00 Well, there are several expelnations for that, with a global-scale tectonic process in rue with glacial events forced cultural-layers to overlap, so new layers would be replaced by older once, which again lead to the newer layers beein burried under old once, stopping the process as it's suddenly underground. Or you can go with ancient superhumans doing technoloogicaly superior shjit enabling them to completely erase any trace of them for some reasson.

[@GD-2.00]

@@soolve1 is there proof of new layers being overlapped by old layers? Please educate me. And I am not saying they erased their existence, (if they existed I mean). I am saying some natural thing (like glacial activity, like you said), erased an entire layer, and "they" just happened to live here during that time...

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Always enjoy watching , great video, thanks Thoughty2

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I asked ChatGPT: Objects that could potentially last a few hundred million years, particularly in space where environmental conditions are vastly different from Earth, include: 1. **Spacecraft on Stable Trajectories**: Spacecraft like Voyager and Pioneer probes, if they avoid collisions and gravitational disturbances. 2. **Lunar and Martian Artifacts**: Objects left on the Moon or Mars, such as landers and rovers, shielded from atmospheric erosion. 3. **Satellites in Stable, High Orbits**: Geostationary satellites or those in distant orbits, barring collisions with space debris. 4. **Objects Buried on Celestial Bodies**: Artifacts buried under the surface of the Moon or Mars, protected from surface conditions. 5. **Deep Space Probes**: Probes sent on trajectories out of the solar system, drifting through interstellar space. 6. **Metallic Asteroids or Space Structures**: Metal-rich asteroids or structures built from durable metals like titanium or stainless steel, which resist corrosion and wear. 7. **Nuclear Waste Encapsulation**: Specially designed containers for radioactive waste, engineered for long-term stability. 8. **Time Capsules in Space**: Specially designed and shielded time capsules intended for preservation over geological timescales. 9. **Artificial Objects on Dwarf Planets**: Artifacts left on dwarf planets like Pluto, where they would be subject to minimal erosive forces. 10. **Data Storage Media**: Advanced data storage media designed for extreme longevity, though their data readability might degrade faster than the physical medium. These projections are based on our understanding of material science, space conditions, and celestial mechanics. The actual longevity could vary based on numerous unforeseen factors in the space environment.

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So this video is lying is it?

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[@sadafhusain2059]

I always had this theory that the myth of dragons exists so constantly all over the world because people around the world at some point in many cultures came across a dinosaur fossil and created their own myths around it

[@justkillme441]

No. It's because the elites around the "globe" are all descendants of the the original lizards (the greys & the dragons were created in error when the universe came into consciousness)

[@stargwynn1]

Or remnants of dinosaurs or extinct giant lizards or sea creatures still existed around the world

[@tyler1107]

@@justkillme441Ah, that’s a sound hypothesis, I don’t see any issues with it whatsoever!

[@Mike14264]

​@@justkillme441 uh huh, hey look over there, bigfoot wants to say hi.

[@ejgaming3401]

there is another interesting theory that dragons cant fossilized because their bones are hollow

[@victorejiogu8534]

I think it's possible that there where civilisations before humans with "technology" that is very "different" from what we know and are used to.

[@OnMyLunchBreak07]

Mhm! For all we know, they discovered a far different fuel source than we have/commonly use. As a result, we end up looking in the wrong place and miss the evidence of their existence. Regardless it's a fascinating idea to think about! :)

[@yulelavey9752]

Highly recommend looking into Hindu vedas for some ancient technology evidence ☺️☺️

[@rheahorvath9274]

Agreed!

[@oscarsainz9865]

Why those words is quotes lol if it’s not what we have then it’s different lol

[@davidkellyjr2092]

@@OnMyLunchBreak07 "different fuel source" That posses the question of, did they use it all up, leading to their downfall, and eventually our rise? Or was this fuel source so good, it was able to let them leave earth after using/mining it all up (maybe in search for more), and because of that we are stuck with fossil fuel a weaker alternative.

[@TnT_F0X]

But Thoughty2 you forgot about Those radioactive isotopes that can ONLY be made through fission and radioactive waste we found in 'ore' they say happened by accident.

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love ur videos man, keep it up

[@dianacanales2526]

It's always a great day when Arran uploads a new Thoughty2 video! Seriously. Thank-You!!❤

[@MistoryMan.]

I really like these videos. Videos where you answer interesting hypothetical questions about history

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Got any grapes?

[@krek17]

Cool video, open minds are prone to find more than a closed mind, and it is hard to open your mind, but we cant take everything for granted, look at the big bang theory, but at the end, it is a theory, and a posibility. Thanks for the vid!!!!

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Thanks for the cool video, keep up the good work mate

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Been a fan of your content for a long time, thanks for the knowledge.

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I only recently discovered your channel, and I am truly enjoying your content. I am trying to pace myself so I won't run out, so thank you for still putting out more

[@HomeByTheSeas]

Here's the thing most need to remember. We already had many related species that we ousted in competition, some in which we diverge from Genus wise. Some of their genetics even survive today. Remember Cro Magnon? Homo-erectus? Neanderthal? Denisovans? Floresiensis? In fact, Cro Magnon were likely in competition with Neanderthal during the period of rapid climate change. H. Sapiens most likely caused the downfall of the Denisovans 40-50 thousand years ago. Floresiensis were most likely wiped out mostly due to rampant volcanic activities. 300,000 years ago at the least 9 humanoid species roamed this planet. There were many competitive struggles along that long history. This process of evolution is able the fittest. Not smartest, not strongest, albeit in some scenarios that could help. Let us realize we can extinct ourselves, again.

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Always love your videos man

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Thank you so much Thoughty2. I’ve been watching your videos for years and I love your content. I’m grateful for the videos you make and I hope you enjoy making them as much as your viewers like watching them

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thats a very nice comment. 😊

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[@theConservationist]

2018 might've been when a paper was written, but the idea is very old. I had a dinosaur book as a kid that brought up the possibility and had a really creepy humanoid reptile drawing. That was at least 25 years ago.

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I really enjoyed your presentation. it has given me numerous things to think about.

[@amigriffiths7861]

You know? One thing I love about this channel is how you tackle stuff in such an empty-cup kind of way. In this parody of a society that we live in, that is so rare. The vast majority of people, especially as you look higher and higher on the property ladder, are just full-cup about everything they can be, so to hear someone talking and showing an understanding of the first step to learning anything is a definite breath of fresh air. I would suggest that, maybe, just speculation, there have been ancient terms, if not for fossils, then at least originating from their discovery. In fact, I’m mostly going on humane trends today, in combination with the clear statistical lack of inclination for the “princes of the universe” and their zombies, (Satirical nicknames) towards a genuine change away from reducing people to mere property and killing and committing genocides and so on, but I wouldn’t be surprised if stories of dragons started off with people finding dinosaur fossils, way back when, and trying to imagine what they must have been like when they were still alive. And no, I’m not simply making a very painful joke, even if it is no more than speculation.

[@Null_sys]

Awfully full-cup way of talking about how the majority of people talk tbh

[@amigriffiths7861]

@@Null_sys No. Just an observation.

[@Null_sys]

@@amigriffiths7861 A very full-cup observation. Smh

[@amigriffiths7861]

@@Null_sys Majority refers to a statistic, rather than a member of the paradoxical group known as absolutes, which includes full, as in full-cup.

[@Null_sys]

@amigriffiths7861 Ah ah don't weasel out of it now, I already caught you and your full-cup "observations"

[@nealjroberts4050]

I like the fact that you actually considered the question "how could we tell?" How would we tell megamillennia decayed ruins from the natural?

[@bearwithabark]

Love your videos as always! Have you considered a joint venture with The Why Files? would be awesome…

[@Crushonius]

you know antarctica used to be tropical once because it used to be on the equator before the earth shifted to the side so who knows how much history lies beneath the ice of antarctica maybe even humans started there or another intelligent species , i mean how would we know

[@ninal309]

Thank you for another amazing video. The imagery and visual effects are astonishing, it's almost an art form.. I have to sometimes watch the video twice to focus on the information itself.

[@xubz]

I, for one, welcome our new lizard overlords.

[@RobinBarton-fh1ts]

Lol..Love it !!!

[@imaXkillXya]

The Zucc and Clintons have been living among us this whole time.

[@zinaboulahia9291]

It is the perfect video to educate myself and having fun at the same time. I wish we could learn the same way in the classroom!

[@chetmcman]

My theory is that if these past civilizations were around they would have produced microplastics at some point just like us as a natural part of their progression in chemistry abilities. Given that we haven't found any microplastics in core samples, I think we're the most advanced lifeform that's occupied the planet so far.

[@markp6062]

This is a WILD concept! Thanks for sharing! An additional thought on this is that there may have been intelligently advanced without necessarily developing technology.

[@paulgoogol2652]

Like cats, dogs, pigs... rather than worrying about "intelligence" rather think in what ways it may have manifested. Technology, art, preserved language, religion? Possibly other ways we didn't think off. It's better to think materialistically because evidence always comes in material.

[@santosic]

And we're assuming human like intelligence, too. For all we know they had high intelligence in the sense that they were sentient, could communicate like we can, and even build primitive structures.... But they can't speak or write, and never left traces of language either because of it. One of the many animals who's fossils we found could have been one of these beings and we just assume otherwise because they lack those human like intelligence qualities we're looking for.

[@paulgoogol2652]

@@cropduster123 what does it tell about our ability for compassion that animals are still slaughtered, though we know that they have feelings and can talk to each other? For a long time I've been curious why we humans are so obsessed with life on other planets when we treat the life on this planet like shoot. Ridiculous.

[@proto-geek248]

This is a wildly dumb concept.

[@nickevershedmusic8927]

@@paulgoogol2652well yeah it should, but a woman can make up false accusations and sometimes it will be taken as evidence, without any actual physical evidence

[@davidstarcke2275]

Hey, Thoughty2! Hearing your message at the end of the video made me want to write. I've been a fan and subscriber since you made that video on the most interesting man on the planet. I may not have seen about 15% of your videos, but I'm still a big fan! Thank you for the work you do! You certainly put a smile on me and my wife's face every upload! Thanks again, mate! We certainly appreciate you. -David

[@russellbaxley9934]

Always great videos!

[@bsmith5433]

Fossil fuels are not formed by dead animals. It's hilarious that you included that graphic. And... humans and Dinosaurs did walk the earth together - it is recorded in a vast array of texts and ancient writings.

[@thehowlingjoker]

The only dinosaurs humans have lived alongside are birds.

[@artdonovandesign]

Hi, Arran! Just stopped by to say your Thumbnail Illustrations are absolutely amazing- Easily the finest on YT. These stylized renderings, all so unique and different from each other, display a truly advanced artistic sensibility. ( I was a photo-realistic illustrator in NYC for design and ad agencies for 20 years using conventional mediums, so it's an informed opinion.) So...Who are these great artists? And thank you for all of the really fine episodes. My wife is now hooked on your channel also.

[@lumethecrow]

It's AI

[@loaflad]

are you being sarcastic?

[@siggelindell1931]

It looks like and does its job, but its certainly not photorealistic

[@ExxInferis]

Another banger. You have to be the only KZbin channel I can think of that I can recommend to anybody. Regardless of age or interests, you have something for everyone. No small feat.

[@mestis343]

Bruh I've watched this guy since high school like 10 years ago? He's amazing

[@MckieDs595]

I always find it weird that conspiracy theorist get all the hate. But when they’re proven to be right, they get no love.

[@blakesimmons5130]

Because most of them are fucking unbearable. It's easier to ignore your existence than to get stuck in a conversation with a schizophrenic sociopath.

[@primira3862]

Thanks so much for putting out such hight quality content.

[@alifasayed4297]

Thank you. I have grew up watching your content. Travelled across continents and went through hella shit. Yet I Still like your content and sometimes just wish there were more content creators like you providing such valuable perspectives(basically Food For thoughts) like you do

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

This took me back. I wrote some sci-fi which was pretty much about this - a past civilization with a different evolution from us, anyway. Great job putting a smile on my face! When it comes to discovering someone from the past, everything would depend on what they made, and when and where it was made. If a civilization was put where geology (e.g. on the wrong side of subducting plates, the Deccan traps, etc.) could get at it, we'd probably never see it just because the plates move at 5cm a year (on average) so they'd be squished under the other plate, and the traps are so massive and made of really hard rock, we could never feasibly dig to look. _Could_ it have happened? I guess so. Do I think it did? No. I do think we'd have some evidence if they did, especially as we have satellites that can see below the Earth's surface. Even a single civilization would have spread its settlements, and unless they were _really_ stupid and didn't develop geology as a science (I'm assuming we're talking about "people" that far advanced), they'd probably have most settlements on the safer, rising plate. (Excuse my brain death, I can't remember the word for said plate. Am currently knackered.)

[@Ghost_Hybrid]

Fun science fact: We don't have satellites that can see beneath the surface of the Earth. Best we can do is use earthquakes kind of like an ultrasound to image deep into the planet. Unfortunately, it's a REALLY blurry ultrasound. I like the thought that an early civilization existed, long since subducted :)

[@feralbluee]

⁠@@Ghost_Hybrid he meant that satellites can see past the surface dirt (or whatever it’s called) to structures, whether geologic or human made, that we can’t see from our viewpoint or notice with the eye. he’s a bit too educated. as he said, he was knackered (or as we would say, really, really tired :)

[@1940-Westinghouse-Flip-Toaster]

Check out curious archive

[@brianwhedon8442]

No civilization thousands or millions of years ago would have expected the poles to melt and the oceans to rise to the levels they are today. Our civilization *now* has a hard time rationalizing the sea level rise in our own lifetimes, and we know from history that there were settlements at the bottom of the Black Sea and off the coast of India. Go back far enough and there could be cities at the bottom of the Persian Gulf, The Mediterranean, and off the continental shelves of basically every land mass currently. The myth of Atlantis can be found globally, and it all describes the same thing: a vast "nation" of 13 kingdoms that was wiped out by a cataclysmic flood event. I used to think Atlantis was a fairy tale but now that I'm older I have more faith in it being real than any of the Abrahamic religions. In fact I think all the tales in the holy books across the world describe history before there was history.

[@Timothy1976]

Wonderful to rediscover your channel on a different account 😀

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

It's a fun theory, and I love the idea in books (Wilde Chase series is particularly fun) but it's one of those ones where if it were true and we can't find any evidence, does it matter? It's the flying spaghetti monster level kind of idea.

[@Zaldrich444]

One of the only channels on KZbin where I automatically like the video before even watching it, because I know it's going to be quality. Been following your channel for years now. Your videos never disappoint. You can make even the most mundane of topics interesting to watch.

[@piotrp5668]

Some metal items would survive millions of years - gold, silver, copper, titanium. Finding gold coin with lizard head would be pretty conclusive. 😀

[@cozmothemagician7243]

Only if the dating* of coin showed it was indeed pre-human. * I own the oldest coin ever made. It has right on the topside '8432 B.C.' /snark

[@TheDramacist]

Nonsense. Gold is so soft, any shaping, etching or sculpting will be mushed up within a thousand years, easily

[@bobmorane2082]

I see a titanium pipe has a 40 year lifespan while copper if water clean 90 there is no way they last millions. In not even 1million year they are to dust and back to a copper rock

[@kylewinkler9925]

@@cozmothemagician7243 so not only do you think that there IS NOT another printed coin out there that you just dont know about, but you think the first coin ever made was time stamped, and has survived readably to this day? 😂

[@the49thdimension26]

No. They would not survive in their manufactured state. At all.

[@christopherjones6802]

The Great Ordovician Biodiversification Event occurred 489 million years ago, this is the first recorded time that life started to really spread and diversify. 65 million years ago an extinction event wiped out almost everything, but smaller animals were able to survive and flourish afterwards. It took 65 million years to go from that to where we are now. Given these time spans, there is the possibility for life to have evolved to the point that we are at 7 times since the start of Ordovician Biodiversification Event, and there is always a possibility that the evolution of a species to our level may not have taken place on land...the dolphins evolution has allowed them to utilise more of their brain capacity than we do, and they have naturally developed an echo location system better than anything we can build . When it comes to fossilised evidence, numerous sentient cultures reduce their dead to ashes, so that can't be an expectation. Our history, or lack thereof must also been taken into account...how much further would we be on the road of scientific advancement today if we had not had certain events of the past like the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, or the Dark Ages???

[@hghmhgm]

Amazing as very always!

[@pkjones5263]

Always interesting content from your channel, and so very well delivered.

[@mukkah]

Really appreciated the good faith conversation style of this video. And damn interesting questions indeed, wondered about the loss of evidence to time for things of the past. Such a wild ride, existing, lol

[@TimClatworthy]

Fascinating video! Thank you so much!

[@TanukiGG]

Makes for great late night thoughts. Love pondering anything that we can't prove or disprove.

[@CynicalDriver]

I believe that the idea of dragons came from people in ancient times finding dinosaur fossils and having no better explanation for them.

[@conradmbugua9098]

Mind unveiled has a video on cryptids which are confused for dinosaurs

[@happypappy6285]

Good argument

[@kevinrtres]

A better argument could be that the people actually SAW them and interacted with them. Some art work testify to exactly such encounters - why else create the art to that same pattern when the art is placed in a whole genre of things normal to their lives?

[@aaronrodgers9202]

​@@kevinrtresyeah I think they were real.. The Bible even has accounts of dragons interacting with humans

[@47f0]

​@@kevinrtres- The Bible has "accounts" of a great number of things. Believe it or not, some of these accounts may not be entirely accurate.

[@ordinarylivv]

I've been watching your videos for the past 5ish years, and i love everything you do 🥰🖤 you're an amazing person Aaran!!

[@j.danaiken2651]

Great video. Love your channel. You do great work.

[@JKAsHiddenLotus]

Love it! Thanks for the great videos

[@Jokeoftheday-iq7jv]

Your content is amazing. Your editor also does amazing work, truly captivating content!

[@voidtremor6329]

I’ve commented this before but I’ll say it here again. You have come a long way from your older videos. Your older content was genuinely hard to watch and now your videos are both informative and entertaining without being condescending. I can’t say this enough but you’ve really improved and I always look forward to seeing your work now.

[@soundscape26]

Probably because he has a team now as opposed to when he started.

[@CruTemlar75]

I love this channel, so inspiring to think deeply about different matters

[@tyroneolin5943]

Ive been watching Thoughty2 for a few years and Im just now finding out about Why Files. Thanks guys.

[@______4790]

Man you are becoming an excellent writer and documentarian. Continue!

[@krakajaka]

Thank you thoughty2, brilliant as always

[@Johnstone-gg3bw]

Thanks - this was a cool romp down the dank passages of ancient history.

[@bigdawg1353]

Thank you and very well presented!

[@nova3072]

Love all your videos so much, I'm always looking forward to the next one, please keep them coming, Steve

[@zFerAresz]

Thank you Thoughty2! I love your videos :) I've been a fan of yours for almost a decade already, and I hope I can keep up being one for way more longer.

[@corzzz1]

wouldn't the marina trench be a good place to start looking? we've already got the technology to send unmanned submarines below certain depths, couldn't they take samples and check for this stuff?

[@BringDHouseDown]

the shape shifting thing comes from the innate ability to control energy(everything is energy) control the body, its configuration if you will, and shift into anything you want, least that's how I've seen it explained some humans have the ability as well I think, most don't, but if they don't they would have other abilities, lost knowledge, regarding learning through spiritual training or w.e, idk idk