Thousand Sons Codex: Full Rules Review

[@auspextactics]

CORRECTIONS: - The Wrath of Magnus secondary objective is better than I described here, it is MODELS not UNITS destroyed. That means even if you just kill one or two models with doombolt or something, you've VERY likely to score it if the enemy has only one psyker! Could be near auto-include unless the enemy is Grey Knights or Thousand Sons... - Tzaangor Enlightened bows auto HIT on 2+, not auto-wound. Doesn't change too much against T4 targets, but far less impressive against tougher things! - You can't stack the stratagem and the power to regenerate Magnus, it's just one or the other.

[@mosesowen9017]

You need to kill the enemy Psykers in the psychic phase for Sorcerers prowess correct?

[@emixam6947]

Can you please make a video giving us your thoughts on a competitive thousand sons list, because right now when I think thousand sons, I think: The Thousand Sons, the Death Guard’s comically weaker brethren 😭

[@STUVKI]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think all is dust has been slightly changed. It now only improves armor saves BUT it now seem to also have n effect on the aspiring sorcerers.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

All is dust only works on armour saves Enlightened could take autopistol and chainsword in the last codex

[@AbraGaming]

Bro how does magnus give 5 cabal points as warlord? Where is this special rule written?

[@auspextactics]

Appears to be currently no audio on mobile but there is on desktop. Hopefully it's just KZbin taking its time about processing... If it's still this way in an hour or so I'll re-upload. Apologies for any inconvenience!

[@Rob_King_of_the_Plants]

I reloaded on mobile and it works now

[@auspextactics]

@@Rob_King_of_the_Plants Glad to hear it!

[@SleepySoviet]

Don't you guys have desktops?

[@Gaspingindeath]

This is working on mobile for me (as of this time stamp)

[@UnkleKlumsy1353]

Yep, looks like KZbin might have been a little slow on the draw, audio is working fine for mobile for me

[@mixmatched2342]

Frankly, it's GOOD that it doesn't catapult them into the lead. Being average and flavorful is the best place to be!

[@stormisuedonym4599]

I'm happy with "can keep up". I'm just happy Rubrics got two wounds.

[@elifloren9097]

I'm gonna be real with ya I've been testing against some good deathguard/ Space Marine lists they've been doing work I've had 2 almost perfect games out of 6

[@richmcgee434]

"Swelled By the Warp" is clearly a name for a Slanneshi psychic power, not Tzeetch.

[@veil.of_maya]

I imagine it’s a rapid mutation which is common in Tzeentch stuff.

[@hadiajina]

That would be Engorged by the Warp

[@chainer8686]

Warp thiccening

[@Eldenfirefly]

I love your presentations. Very clear, all laid out so well. Even though other codex reviews come out first, yours are just so much better. Because they are so clear.

[@Meuduso1]

Wait I just noticed: That really bad new Thousand Sons combat patrol almost violates the rule that there can't be anymore Tzaangors than true TS troop units, and only beause you can have up to thirty in one unit so you can't actually split those 20 Tzaangors into two units lmao

[@wjpjr7854]

Well, the Death Guard combat patrol does violate the detachment rules with too many poxwalkers so there’s that.

[@Meuduso1]

@@wjpjr7854 For real? Bruh

[@squishy1706]

If they just gave us Rubrics instead of goats... The infernal master and termys are good though. But for the most part it is disappointing.

[@zakpodo]

Is this a reasonable new codex from GW? Especially in light of the recent "overtuned" releases. I would love to have seen a couple of the vehicles and tzaangor options made a little more competitive and maybe a little more put into the traits/relics/strats but this seems good. No crazy codex creep, no rewriting sections of the lore (poorly), and even the new infernal master seems on point (read not obviously buffed for short term cash grab).

[@squishy1706]

I don't know, I've heard complaining already, people thinking TS are just overpowered mortal wound monsters with no stopping them. So you never know, GW could nerf them into the ground

[@jsheppi2061]

@@squishy1706 I did not have enough matches to make a final evaluation of this but from the two games I had as UM vs TS ... it really feals hardcore to place against as they can counter a lot of the thiengs that SM in general have going for them. Rubics are very resilient to Bolter fire and dish out some high ap in return. Some vehicles/monsters feel like straight-up better than their loyalist counterpart (Looking at you Hellbrute) for lesser points. The MW spam is kinda obnoxious, especially against characters, if you do not brought tools with you to ease the pain a bit. So far I would say TS really can annihilate some factions (Same applies for e.g. Dark Angels though *cough*) and are quite strong now if you do not happen to play against a very anti-psyker army, which is not common in my local meta atm. Lets see if the new Black Templar supplement can bring vengeance to this filthy heretics.

[@lokalnyork]

IMHO the biggest winner of this book are humble totally-not-palette-swap tanks, Rhino, Pred and Land Raider. Compared to other Chaos or even Loyalist tanks they are pretty good, for no extra cost!Yes, other (newer) units also get boosts but it's nice to see some oldschool stuff being... good!

[@joshuagraham5422]

Rhinos can do some work for sure. We have Inferno Bolts and a flamer strat for them without exra cost. And 5+ invuln for sure. Metal bawkses 😏

[@sarcasticlittleass]

Don't underestimate the -1 damage. It's true though, this is certainly not the strongest codex so far.

[@reginlief1]

These guys really need some more unique units. Compared to Death guard they’re like half the size. If they do a psychic awakening style update series I could see them expanding the TS range there. Edit: read some of the comments. Imagine Raptors, but their tzeentch birdy boys. It makes too much sense.

[@Dreadnautilus]

I'd kill for a dual kit Rubric Dreadnought/Sorcerer Dreadnought.

[@lokalnyork]

@@Dreadnautilus It was called Osiron Pattern Contemptor Dreadnought and was AWESOME.

[@younan5011]

Ya would think they would have all sorts of demon packs to bring to bear and mutated minions to throw at you with demon bound engines every were

[@Howesterino]

I'd love it if it were canon that Tsons would hire up Tzeentch mutants or experimental abominations into their forces as potentially more specialized chaff tbh. I think it'd fit thematically with them while also being a cool asset for them on the tabletop as well.

[@vitorzelao]

I would love a oblitetator or havoc opition for thousand sons.

[@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552]

I think the Icons can be good for cp farm. For 30 points you basically get a free cp farm ritual per turn, and can ignore the cp relics and traits. Even if you get 2 or 3 cp in a game its good

[@daddyfett9857]

cool name

[@locustofchiron]

This looks like the army I've dreamed of running. Lots of shooty goodness and cool witchfire powers, definitely pre-ordering this codex!

[@maltelundadamsen3668]

If you combine the Cult of Prophecy warlord trait with the Warpweave mantle relic (and perhaps even Thrydderghyre), you can make an exalted sorcerer that is almost impossible to charge. (can only be charged by rolling less than 9", but the sorcerer moves 6" away, meaning you'll have to be 1-2" away and roll 7 or 8). It gets harder if infantry can surround him before charging, but then he can still attack them and consolidate away from them.

[@JestaultSteinkeKachuik]

yeah but if there are any other friendly units around him he won't be the target of the charge and will just get consolidated into and if there are no friendly units around him he will be shot to death, could work as a surprise gotcha but after they know the trick I don't think it would be as useful as it seems to be....

[@domagojkrizic9572]

@@JestaultSteinkeKachuik you could keep a friendly unit 3 inches from him and use the bodyguard strategem

[@JestaultSteinkeKachuik]

@@domagojkrizic9572 that makes the relic and warlord trait still useless as the unit will just get charged and consolidate into and kill the char.

[@briansteiner2886]

Ok, now I'm curious about a Thousand Sons vs Death Guard comparison/matchup. Though I don't know if it would be better to have Auspex do the stat breakdown, or have TTTactics/TTTitans do a 3000 point daemon primach versus daemon primarch batrep. Will mind bullets make disgusting resiliant useless? Is having T5 better than AP-2 bolters? Does a greater variety of support characters outweigh doubling down on a single battlefield role?....questions need answers.

[@lukespatola1184]

I think the Sons would win

[@MrLambLips]

As someone who's army is 90% tzaangors and daemon engines it's a sad day for me..

[@TJ4590]

For the Paradoxical Chatterfowl, isn't it Hit and Wound rolls that can only be modified by +1/-1? So altering the WS and BS directly can still go up to the full -3?

[@sarcasticlittleass]

I believe so as well. furthermore that should stack with -1 to hit as well.

[@steweygrrr]

Aye its the stat itself being changed rather than a modifier to the roll. Sounds pretty powerful to me, especially against things like TH/SS or anything else that hits hard relatively frequently.

[@Gaspingindeath]

I can't wait for this book to arrive! Thank you for the deep dive!

[@mackdye9070]

That wasn't a deep dive mate.

[@greenstreet_gaming5409]

Been waiting for this!!

[@kalamander8563]

TSons looking good. I kinda want to go in on them and build a terminator/rubric gunline list with sorcerers all over to offer buffs and mortal wound spam.

[@judjementine]

lol. so a standard TS list ;P

[@daddyfett9857]

@@judjementine yes

[@kid0krewgaming326]

The chatterfowl reduces the WEAPON SKILL or BALISTIC SKILL. Hit rolls can only be modified by +/-1 but changing the actual skill is different. It''s like when a vehicle degrades and its skill lowers.

[@IndianaSmallmouth]

The skill IS a hit roll.

[@mr.dingens8513]

@@IndianaSmallmouth no its the stat you compare your roll against (AFTER modifiers)

[@ranbenzvi9036]

Hey Auspex Tactics, Psychic stalk is really interesting vs orks. One shot a squig raider can really be fun 🤩

[@EmeraldPaladin777]

As someone who's been playing thousand sons for 18 years, this is the codex Ive literally waited half my life for!

[@recurvestickerdragon]

I was just starting to work on my rubrics, and I learn there's a new codex. Woo, I feel vindicated for not picking up the previous edition yet, cuz I suspected it'd come out soon

[@sarcasticlittleass]

The Cult of Time Warlord trait is really nice with Athaenean(probably butchered that) Scrolls.

[@s-dforrest808]

Easily the best summed up review ive seen on youtube so far and only one i could be arsed to watch! thanks! :)

[@okonkwojones]

Orrery is indeed a top tier word, and also I want to have one (or just see an old one) so badly.

[@pezlerthepolychromatic8337]

A couple of points here: the Paradoxical Chatterfowl is not a modifier to attacks, it changes the WS/BS by D3, and thus would not be capped at -1. Also, the Legion Command ability Witch Warrior would not affect the MW from Smite since that power is not a witchfire.

[@pbbj893]

Such a good Codex! Rules to allow your Rubrics/Scarab Aspiring Sorcerer models to do Mental Interigation (to grab victory points) and still cast psychic powers! Caballistic to increase range of psychic powers first two battle rounds (when they are most needed). Terminators with ObSec. Abilities to get +1 or even +2 strength to all Warpflamer weapons in a unit. Extra mortal wounds on top of those done by a psychic power. -1 damage strat for Rubrics and Scarabs. Auto upgrade d3 Smite to Flat 3 instead with strat. One time 2D6 Heroic Intervention for a unit with strat; that can be made free of charge if Cult of Scheming. Cult of Time can heal d3 lost wound with strat and resurrect slain model. Infernal Master could potentially do D3 + D3 + 3 Mortal wounds (9 total, how fluffy). Vortex Beast get 3d+3 mortal wound beam attack.

[@notenotch9426]

Magnus can be healed no more then d3 wounds a turn. All of the spells/stratagems in the spell specify that the target can only be healed once per turn. Interestingly, it seems the Mutalith Vortex Beast gets around this with it's mutant regeneration not specifying that it's been healed, so it can be healed by temporal manipulation as well. This could end up FAQd later though.

[@reginlief1]

That feels like a rules as intended thing for the beast.

[@notenotch9426]

@@reginlief1 I am inclined to agree, but I've seen people arguing otherwise. I imagine it will be cleared up come an FAQ nonetheless

[@firmak2]

thats lame

[@mitchchisholm180]

It's a solid move into 9th for the sorcerers of the birdman.

[@daddyfett9857]

caw caw

[@phillysewycz6715]

Exalted smash sorcerer - dilettante with conniving plate and paradoxical chatter and a prosperine khopesh. With the touch of visisitude warlord trait from cult of mutation. Remember that the chattercowl changes the ws and bs not modifying rolls. Makes a hard to hit lad

[@sadlerbw9]

I was looking at a slightly different build: Mutation trait and relic plus dilletant for the staff abominus. It isn’t as durable, but if you cast swelled by the warp on it, you end up with 14x hit rolls with S10/AP-1/1 with mortals on hit rolls of 6. The AP is problematic, but doubling the hit rolls and adding mortals on 6’s should still make it useful, just maybe not against the same type of targets.

[@phillysewycz6715]

@@sadlerbw9 exaulted mutation is only available to sorcerers and dilletant is only available to exalted sorcerers though. Could run both to a degree as a compromise however

[@sadlerbw9]

@@phillysewycz6715 I thought the mutation trait was valid on the Exalted, Terminator, and regular sorcerer, not just the basic Sorcerer? Have I been playing that wrong all through 8th??? EDIT: I looked at the new datasheet again, and sure enough, the Exalted Sorcerers don't have the keyword anymore. They only have the keyword. On the Sorcerer and Sorcerer in Terminator Armor have the keyword now. That was a nerf I hadn't noticed yet. Thanks for pointing it out!

[@aaronm3795]

This new codex is great and all but why is Magnus the same toughness as a dreadnought? He’s a demon primarch! Wounded by meltas on 3’s...

[@magearamil8626]

Skin, he has no armour, Gulliman and Mortarion have ARMOUR

[@FuturisticPriest]

@@magearamil8626 heresy! The nipple horns do protecc him

[@AnarexicSumo]

@@magearamil8626 That makes no sense. There's already an armor save as a seperate stat to represent armor.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

@@AnarexicSumo toughness is impacted by armor

[@bungus_chungus1401]

I was thinking that with all this psychic stuff being released that the space wolves will start having more play of anti psychic shenanigans, but after looking over it, they will just get curb stomped by GK and TS just trying to get close.

[@goblin6545]

T sons seem pretty tame compared to a lot of other things being played at the moment.

[@judjementine]

​@@goblin6545 they also are fairly squishy for their points. they have good stratagems and powers to try and counter that, but you can only ever use those on 1 unit at a time. at 2000pts it's very easy to have the firepower to just shoot around the buffs.

[@sarcasticlittleass]

@@judjementine and not to forget, if you do not have the first turn, you cannot use your psychic powers to buff your stuff.

[@DJCallidus]

Watched this a few times now. I manage to get a Hexfire and I'm leaning toward Thousand Sons. They seem like good fun to play.

[@helgeangerstein6177]

Twist if fade wasn't an area effekt in the 8 edition. Psychic stalk combination with prayer glimpse of eternity glimpse wording is one dice so you can have a higher chance to pulling this of... Also nice that this ignore every form of protection (beside of resurection) Combo for termies: Rites of coalescenes heals the unit Timflux returns one Psychic maelstrom for one more timflux Warped regeneration one 3 returning termis per round... For trigger the strata (not sure if this works?) Set of a 9+ smite per pact from beyond Unholy susurrus: Disagreed with your opinion because in 8 edition it was the same and can swap smite or the cult powers... with your erata it couldn't anymore (not that gw can still make this happens) Vektorstrike and warpflame gargoyles turns a helldrake into a mw delivery service Warpweave mantle shuts down charges from reserve...

[@Clitoriacetal]

I dislike how people say: like mortarion he(magnus) has 3 warlord traits... just that mortarion can choose a forth one. just saying

[@jauneork278]

I loved defilers when they were a 4 to hit. I sure as hell love them now that they're 3 to hit

[@NonApplicable1983]

Finally, my dusty boys! Thank you so much for this!

[@AbraGaming]

Dusty bois unite

[@krilc]

Glad to see daemon engines will be decent in the CSM book

[@Tharosthegreat]

Boost magnus up to +5 to cast and do Baleful devotion and you have magic happening :D

[@gillesmelet1044]

Tzaangors also get a 5+ invulnerable save thanks to ability "Brotherhood of sorcerers", don't think it was mentionned in the video or comments 🙂

[@olivergunner4135]

Looks like the ad mech and dark eldar are the outliers as as all four codexs since haven’t been as powerful.

[@hyperboreanesoterica6588]

I think that has to do with their ability as an army to capitalize on the alpha strike. Putting down a solid 500 points worth of models on turn 1 allows you to just create a snowball effect

[@sadlerbw9]

I still like TSons and I’m mostly happy with the codex, but this army isn’t looking like it will be the next AdMech or Dark Eldar. I honestly think the secondaries are the strongest buff in the whole book, with ObSec SOT’s being a close second. Rhinos with a 5++ look real good, and I am down with all the psychic shenanigans. They got the army right, thematically. I’m just not sure we are durable enough to survive against an S-tier army. I think Magnus is still going to be a one turn kill, which is not great, but he will be fun if you aren’t playing against a tuned, competitive list. The idea of pushing up the WC of smite and then using CaP to auto-cast a super-smite with Maggs does sound fun though! He just doesn’t have the defensive profile to offset how easy he is to get LoS on. I was hoping they would let us dump him into reserves for free, but oh well. Not happy about the Heldrake becoming an aircraft…but also not surprised, and at least they did buff the weapons. The classic tanks getting a 5++ is nice, but I’m not sure yet if that actually makes them viable. Anti-tank guns are still real strong right now. I kinda wish we had better synergy with daemon engines instead, but that is mostly because I like the models more! Not sure about the Mutalith yet. I like the new powers, but I’m not sure if the powers alone are worth the cost. I think he still needs to get in melee and do some work. I’m curious, but unconvinced.

[@zakpodo]

Yes, I agree with your conclusiona. My gut says this was a very reasonable codex but how do you even judge balance in a game with such a disparity in strength levels, what is to be the baseline? I do think there are a few options that seem too inefficient even without using them. The enlightened and many vehicles particularly.

[@sadlerbw9]

@@zakpodo Oh yeah, the enlightened are complete trash. People keep saying, 'They are character snipers now!' No...no they aren't. If you run the math on a full squad of them against something nice and boring like a Primaris Captain with no buffs or relics, it turns out that have trouble getting more than one or two wounds through. I honestly hope this is a prelude to just removing them entirely in 10th edition! As for Vehicles: the 5++ is a very good buff, but in my opinion we can't quite get enough firepower out of them to make them great. The guns on the Predator, Vindicator, and Land Raider just aren't strong enough for the points, even with the increased durability. They are better than they were, but they are still not close to the level of the top-tier vehicles in the game. I think the all-las Predator compares better to a twin-las Relic Contemptor now, and has the advantage of not competing for an Elite slot. However, when I look at a fight between all-las predators and equal points in Las Ironstriders (even in their newer nerfed form), the Predators generally lose. If they had given us 'Inferno Lascannons' or something with D6 min 3, or D3 + 3, I think they would have seen some competitive use. For now it looks like packing in Rhinos as cheap, ablative wounds is the most efficient thing to do with our vehicles.

[@joewoodland8635]

i'm thinking magnus is going to be the same as a morty situation. I'm expecting a lot of lists to be a single battalion, with Ahriman, 1 exalted, Infernal master, and 1/2 thrall sorcerers with Many MSU Arcana units.

[@happyfuntigger]

Oh boy can't wait to ram my world eaters into these nerds

[@Frosty-kz4om]

Seems there's only audio for the desktop version, but not on mobile?

[@ligitadventurez]

I think duplicity, knowledge, scheming, and time will be the most useful overall

[@Phosis9]

Yes agree. Prophecy is very good in Incursion-sized games. It doesn't scale well higher than that.. Time, and Prophecy are very good low point.

[@craigkenny37]

Probably a silly question answered in an FAQ somewhere. Is it possible to gain CP from all of the following sources in the SAME battle round? +1 CP from Cult of Duplicity relic: Perfidious Tome +1 CP from the Cabal Ritual: Echoes of the Warp +1 CP from the relic: Helm of the Demon's Eye Surely +4 CP over a battle round might be a bit much? Assuming you roll correctly of course.

[@Ghostcamel]

In the Core 9th ed. rulebook there is a rule that states you can only gain ONE CP per turn, not including the one you get for being battleforged. So no, you have to choose one. Cabal ritual one is probly best since it doesnt cost CP to equip and you cant kill the bearer like with a relic, but it can be denied as its a psychic action.

[@CJSpitler]

Is there no audio for anyone else?

[@notkonradcurze1347]

Won’t load for me, “no stream”

[@oleww50]

Thanks for the video, most appreciated.

[@andrewnowell1695]

Thank you for all the effort. I am curious what the options are for summoning daemon units are? The codex seems silent on that front. Can we still bring in blue/pink horrors?

[@Tyresiax]

Yes, but the rules are in the Daemons Codex.

[@tortoise-chan]

As far as I can tell, it works pretty much the same as before, but we lost the 4D6 to summon strategem. No more easy lord of change sadge

[@joegroves2517]

@@tortoise-chan Damn, I was really hoping to get more demons in here. Getting into the game recently (ish though not like there have been chances to play) I was reallz disappointed to see my codex full of all these cool units I couldn't actually run. Was hoping the model of the new demon sorcerer was going to let me take the flying space manta things.

[@tortoise-chan]

@@joegroves2517 you can run them with summoning. Any chaos character can summon a demon with 3d6 or less power level during the movement phase. So its hard to get big boys like the magic chicken (rolling >14 on 3d6 is uncommon) but screamers should be pretty easy to portal in

[@gregsmw]

baleful devolution is insane cast that on a unit of 10 skitari (for example), the AVERAG roll on 2d6 is a 7, with the Ksons +1 base, you are rolling an average of 8 dice, meaning you are likely to hit 2 6s (potentially a lot more if you get a good psychic roll) add on the extra d3 from the cabalistic ritual, and your sitting on an average of around 6-7 mortal wounds, nearly wiping a whole unit in a single cast same goes for tzeentch's firestorm a WC 9 with a factionwide +1 to cast is not that uncommon, 9d6 hitting on 5s means 3avg mortals, put the extra 1d3 on there and you are hitting 5 mortals on average on ANY target there a character within 18inches who you cant shoot? well, why not just insta kill him with a nice handy 5 mortals out of the psychic phase

[@judjementine]

not to mention you can cast it from magnus and get a +3 and thus average 10 dice. spend 9 cabalistic points to get the +2 and you can boost it to +5, averaging 12-13. the psychic potential from TS seems pretty great. the question is if it's enough to carry the army?

[@firmak2]

@@judjementine probably not, the worst thing being that you cant use your psychic stuff if you didnt go first.

[@BraveBob13]

New to 40k and 1k Sons are my favorite army so far- how do players keep track of all these choices on specific models in a game?

[@conorkeane8549]

Great review. Have you considered translating your content into podcast form? I think it would work very well, would love to listen on a walk or while airbrushing

[@omegonchris]

Couldn't you do that already with these videos? I often have a selection of KZbin videos running while I'm at my painting table

[@JonBringer]

Hi there great vid! Got my question I asked earlier answered somewhere else* 😂

[@konigstiger3252]

I missed the old smite train, it felt so much more fun

[@CatherinePuce]

No fortification unit in the new codex? The previous codexes had always one.

[@stormisuedonym4599]

They tried to build fortifications, but the damn Space Furries keep burning them.

[@mikepigoni1260]

for the 1damage staff, does the strategem change the attack to 1d3+1 on that one? or does it exclude relics? if it doesn't exclude and works for it... well you got a beat stick that can take out most things if it fails a couple saves lol

[@craigkenny37]

Pretty sure it doesn't work on relics. Sprues & Brews had a flip through of the book showing pretty much everything and I'm confident I saw it there.

[@joecouture1880]

I’m actually really surprised they didn’t do the limitation for Exalted Sorcerers, so you think that will be included in the post release FAQ/Errata or was that intentional?

[@craigkenny37]

I expected them to limit the exalted sorcerers as well, but I don't think they really have enough other HQ choices if you were to limit them. Maybe if they were like Space Marine Captains and had like 7+ different datasheets for them.

[@Trowarr]

In a vacuum lots of things here look nice - but in every youtube battle report so far using this codex the 1000 sons has lost - and that despite almost getting free points from their secondary objective. And I think the problem is that the codex is forcing Herohammer on the players, spending too many points on sorcerers and Icons of Flame. Such army that is not souped will run into a roadblock every time they run into armies that can counter magic and/or is good at killing characters. I can imagine though that it will curbstomp Tau (as if that was needed).

[@zakpodo]

Yeah, there are a lot of shiny toys pushing you to be really stacked with hqs. Still have to keep the mission in mind. I wonder if those youtube batreps are choosing those builds to show off the new stuff, rather than what scores the most. My gut says this codex is pretty reasonable balance wise- a few things seem off, or underpowered. Still, it's hard to even know what the baseline is when there is such a power disparity across.the different codexes, and even within each codex units are pointed wildly inconsistently.

[@Trowarr]

Another common thing in those battlereports is that the opponents make sure that they are not spreading out the causalties they are inflicting on the 1000 sons units, but focus on wiping out one unit at the time a before moving to the next target. That is easier now with the smaller unit size and the way the codex is rewarding 5 man units to maximize the number of icons and firepower. And they have every reason to do so, just because of the firepower a 5 man unit can have, to get its champion and the icon + it ignores the buff that Rubrics got that they always pass morale test + it counters that 1000 sons now have more ways to heal units - you can´t heal the dead.

[@Ghostcamel]

@@Trowarr You can bring back dead models with a couple effects.

[@shadeling6717]

@auspex tactics. Are you planning fo do any more vids on the 1k sons? Like what units to use or good psychic powers to pick etc

[@jorgenava2021]

I’ve been waiting for dis Visio so exidedly

[@jakkard5026]

I see a big problem though. Mere servants. The biggest problem right now when building a TS army is getting rubrics. The base box costs 30 whooping bucks minimum, the starter collecting only brings 10 of them and you can't even split them in two units of five because of the sorcerer and the heavy weapon models, and the newest two boxes don't even have rubrics on them. So now you are FORCED to buy more rubrics but you don't get an economic way to do so, all the other forces are useless to you without them but they are forced on you regardless in all the big packs, and on top of that you loose ALL other ways to build your army because of the minimum requirements of detachments. Not only that but even as a support army they are worse now because now you NEED to add rubrics to fill the minimum of troops required per detachments, you can't just add some cultists and whatever else you want to build, now you have to add a minimum of 100 points in rubrics. Those extra 50 points can REALLY make a difference on an army composition list even if it doesn't look like it. Ultimately the rest of the changes sound awesome but I despise predatory behavior like this, I'm not a bloody cow and I won't let anyone milk me.

[@bryal7811]

I could be completely wrong with this, but Scarabs are included in that maximum no? Meaning as long as you don't go over the total amount of Scarab Terms and Rubrics, you're A-Ok? e.i. 10 rubrics, 5 terms allow for 15 cultist and 15 Tzaangor?

[@Arantonak]

If you bought the exalted sorcerers box then you should have plenty of bits to convert another aspiring sorcerer.

[@jakkard5026]

@@bryal7811 Now that you mention it I don't know, I thought cultists and tzaangors would bench each other out of the cap as well but maybe not? Regardless my problem it's not as much with that but with the fact that you HAVE to buy rubrics(and or scarabs) but you don't get any other way than to pay shitloads of money. There is an artificial scarcity created on purpose there and I am not buying into it is what I mean.

[@jakkard5026]

@@Arantonak Already did something like that, but now proxies are banned from official tournaments, so I don't even know if I can use them even... Thing is, I'm tired of all these headaches and loops just to build an army that I like. On top of that if I'm out out legal tournaments even if all my models come 100% from GW then I'm not going to bother with them anymore right of the bat, I'll maybe just 3d print all of my stuff, add whatever I want, kitbash without limitations and and be done with all these headaches.

[@vladaqqqqq]

@@jakkard5026 What on earth are you talking about, making aspiring sorcerers from rubric marine and exalted sorcerer box is completely legal and not a proxy in any way lmao

[@iradblaine]

i dunno, it'll be hard for me to give up CSM what with lord discordant, raptors, bikes, havocs etc, never mind Daemons of Tzeentch (i use all 3 in a chaos supe) I really dont think the secondary's outweigh the lord discordant's ability to whup some serious ass. Although the 5+ save is sweet. Toss that onto a Laser Destroyer Vindicator and its gunna get nasty!

[@magumble6107]

why does magnus give 5 cabal points instead of 4 when he is the warlord?

[@janm177]

one of the warlord traits gives +1

[@magumble6107]

@@janm177 dont his warlord traits give him. Knows all powers Reroll deny the witch Can use 2 cabal rituals on himself -1 damage And thats it? Which one gives +1 cabal?

[@gregsmw]

one of his 3 warlord traits also generates 1 extra cabal point

[@magumble6107]

@@gregsmw which one?

[@drkwrethgming1880]

@@magumble6107 the 2x Cabbalistic Rituals one

[@MrScrawnjuan]

Sounds like my list is pretty much void now. Ahriman and two Daemon Princes. Terminators. And Rubrics Tzaangor and cultists

[@oscaryshiroma8250]

So Ive been reading the codex and from what I get so far (correct me if I'm wrong) when upgrading your exalted sorcerer could you also upgrade ahriman with the rehati option from legion command? Since ahriman has the exalted sorcerer keyword. Can't find the restriction for him on that upgrade.

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

I kinda wish they could bring some tzeentch deamons in there army, because they don't have a bunch of units.

[@maltelundadamsen3668]

How does the stave abominus interact with the d3+1 damage on force staves?

[@xavierquesnel6022]

The stratagem points out that it doesn't interact with relics.

[@wiseguysgaming8069]

can you have more then one legion command on a model?

[@regalgiant1597]

BRO!!!!! your audio editer is on the fritz!

[@michaeljacobs2860]

I am new to 40k so my question is I have armies for all 4 of the choas gods but can I add there demon God equivalent to a tournament army and if so how would those armies be constructed . I would live to add more variety to my choas gods army list builds

[@andrewdowns9047]

Desktop user. No audio. Still liked.

[@emdee0014]

Thank you for this sir!

[@race21forever]

Does desecration of worlds go off on both moving and charging or just charging???

[@arrowtt3364]

Move, Advance and Charge.

[@Travio247]

I think conniving plate may be non daemon prince only

[@TheSuaveLion_]

The only restriction with the conniving plate is ARCANA ASTARTES which the daemon prince has. Useful relic for a melee prince for sure

[@smugron1101]

I love every part of this.

[@SorcererTim45]

Does Egleighen's Orrery also remove "ignores AP" modifiers and save modifiers? or just hit/roll/damage?

[@nomadicmetalhed891]

Question: if you ally them with daemons of Tzeetch, will they still be a Thousand Sons army, or will they become a different faction?

[@jwb590]

@Auspex Tactics - do you think it’s worth bringing a single Culexus or Vindicare assassin against Thousand Sons?

[@daddyfett9857]

celexus yes, vindicare meh

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Could you combine Mutate Landscape with that WL trait that lets you roll 3D6 for psychic actions?

[@jenniferjeransky1352]

So the infernal master can only attempt one pact per command phase? I thought it read as if he could do both since they are different from one another no?

[@tyrantofruin]

No stream?

[@iugoeswest]

Thanks

[@judjementine]

the tzaangor fatecaster bow has an unmodified hit roll of 2+ is always a success not an unmodified wound roll. the vortex beast also went up to 5 attacks base while losing hateful assault, but it's attack profile no longer degrades.

[@auspextactics]

Thanks, must have misread that - I have posted a correction above!

[@daddyfett9857]

couldnt you get magnus to 3++ if you used high acolytes on him and gave him otherwordly prescence?

[@aerynmusick4548]

Noob here, just got the start collecting box last week. Is this a stand-alone codex? Or will I need the Chaos Space Marine Codex too?

[@notforplay84]

It's a stand alone codex.. So if you grabbed some TS, grab this book and your good to go!

[@oliverp3545]

There's overlap between the 2 for 1K Sons, so it depends on if the codex is going to have them, CSM and Daemons too.

[@auspextactics]

Stand alone fortunately :)

[@SirRivelion]

Standalone.

[@williammetzger7211]

With the chatterfowl, If I roll well enough on the reduction, could I theoretically reduce a squad of say...Guardsmen with WS4+ to WS7+? Making them unable to hit at all?

[@omegonchris]

It's a core rule that 6s always hit and 1s always miss

[@stormzilla37]

Can a 5 man rubric marine squad bring a soulreaper cannon?

[@robingasnier4582]

Yes

[@TheRealDaveMatthews]

I think you made a mistake, Wrath of Magnus is models not units. Which against some armies is an auto take for me.

[@auspextactics]

Thanks, yeah - seems I've misread that one! You're right, with the amount of witchfires likely on the board that's pretty much an auto-include!

[@levisipila]

How does magnus generate the 5th Cabal point? Am i missing something?

[@silentedict4256]

Warlord trait bonus I think.

[@levisipila]

There its a WL trait that gives one extra, Magnus doesn't have said trait.

[@AbraGaming]

@@levisipila yeah that's what I was also wondering

[@SKEDDUB]

I didn't see anything about the new detachment rules for exalted sorcerers being able to bring in either a termie or normal sorcerers without costing hq slots

[@judjementine]

he listed it when he covered the sorcerer and terminator sorcerer

[@Amateurgamersedgie09]

I think Pack from beyond would work with smite how ever it'll be the lowest Warpcharge so example 5 to cast smite it'll only be D3 MW and not D6MW otherwise i think that would be a little to op. because you spend another 4 pts to do another D3 MW ontop of a D6 MW witch could be a potential 9 MW to any single target. since it says lowest warpcharge that would mean you'd only get the D3 unless you're magnus ofc witch would net you a D6. but then would you want to use it since you could get more than 11 then it'll be 2D6 then spend 4 points to do another D3 MW witch adds up to a potential 27 MW damn. either way something is dieing from Magnus smite lmao.

[@SleepySoviet]

No audio or is that just me?

[@korvadye4854]

Thank you

[@scurtus1885]

Our characters can pick from either discipline. Not just select a discipline. Both warped regeneration and heal spell mention only healing a model once. No restrictions in codex about revives though making healing magnus less effecient.

[@joshuamcguire2423]

no

[@haloreaper1018]

How does magnus give 5 cabal points if he's the warlord, he gives 4 points for being in the army but he doesnt get the warlord trait that gives the additional point?

[@jakegreen3609]

could you use Wrath of the Immaterium to activate a super smite?

[@greyt00th]

Works for me too now on mobile

[@ethanyates9305]

Auspex there is no audio 😥