Thracian Arvanite & Sicilian Arberesh

A Belgian raised Thracian Arvanite and a British raised Sicilian Arberesh talk about language landscape, standardisation and language contact, and family stories about their languages. #arvanite #endangeredlanguages #bilingualism #arvanitika #tychero #thrace #arberesh

[@emanuelaburreli7548]

Është e vërtetë që fjala shesh përdoret në dy kuptime. Sigurisht më parë kur Shqipëria nuk kishte qytete të mëdha si Tirana fjala shesh përdorej për një vend të madh të sheshtë😁 që mund të ishte mbi një kodër apo diku tjetër dhe që shërbente si pikë takimi midis njerëzve ku ata bisedonin dhe qëndronin së bashku. Nice to hear you speaking Arbëreshe. I am Albanian so hearing those albanian words that you inherited from one generation to another gives me a special undescribed feeling.

[@ekpliktos]

So interesting. It would be great if you make a podcast. Congratulations for your work.

Id love to but don’t know how

[@benny2499]

Other than a podcast I'd love to see Martin do a travel vlog of him going to albanophone areas and speak with the locals and see what traditions they share and how their language has progressed. Martin seems like such a likeable fellow I think everyone would love to chat with him. It's something that's been done in the past with Arvanites in Greece but with Martin it would be very interesting to see how they could communicate with each other.

@@benny2499 in fact me and one of the participants of some of our videos have had that idea. Maybe next year. We could use some equipment for it

[@benny2499]

@ Please do it. Maybe contact the Albanian embassy if they can fund it too lol. Or your subscribers might want to contribute. Anyways whatever you decide your videos are very interesting and a nice reminder that we have friends at every corner in the world.

[@alfredgockaj2088]

Wow very interesting story of your Grandfather. Unexplainable

[@tellaaalli]

Sheshi ne Shqip eshte gjithmone toke e sheshte. Perdorimi per Qendra eshte thjesht applikim i fjales por ska lidhje me "square"

[@anl1456]

It seems to me that a lot of the word used in Arbërësh are still in used in Albanian Standard Language just not as often. Like Shesh is used for square and Sheshtë for flat the ë is usually not pronounced, not exactly the same, but very close. Live most Albanians will use jetoj but rroj is still in the standard as well (rron) and is still used in some occasions , rrofsh njëqind vjet may you live one hundred years

[@neazabazi1524]

Respekt 🙏 🇮🇹🇦🇱

[@eduarthana9232]

Arvanit arberesh ispik albania ❤balkan europe

[@APreka-ch3bb]

well true and not true,we get confused between Albanian and the words that have been added to our languege,we say kiatsa in deed but it comes from the italian,so sheshi is the correct one ,I dont know if we used to have any other word for it

Kjaca comes from Sicilian rather than Italian. Sheshi is not the correct word because it means plateau - pianura - not square.

[@APreka-ch3bb]

@ plateua is Greek not Roman (platia),and in Greek it means squear,sheshi in Albanian also means squear which comes from the word shesh which means space,I do not get your point and Sicilian is not a languege rather than a dialect ,it's like Greek and Cypriot Greek,one language even if it deffers a little ,anyways

[@APreka-ch3bb]

@ also platia comes from the word platià with the tonos in the last alpha (αλφα) which means something long some times with space,that's the thinking behind it ,same goes with sheshi , I speak both Italian arbereshe modern Albanian and also Greek so I kinda know what I'm talking about,I don't know if you ment something else and I misunderstanded but anyways, falem 👋

[@lidiacuccia7520]

@@APreka-ch3bb it isn’t important whether a word comes from a dialect or a language. As you may know, most people don’t agree with this classification. The important thing is that the word sheshi has changed its meaning over the centuries in this particular region. We can’t go against language evolution. If we start eliminating words from a language because of their origin, we would hardly speak any.

[@user-rizzwan]

@@APreka-ch3bb i think it's bc you speak modern albania that you already have that meaning of sheshi while in arberesh it simply doesn't like there are many other words in arberesh that don't have the same meaning as it does in albanian

[@enko61pr-s]

🇦🇱👍💪👌

[@alfredgockaj2088]

Çertu=Certo= Qartë. The word even in Sicilian or Italian is not Latin but Messapic. I think so because Qartë= Q'artë= to see goldly/clear and Qar't= tearly. Meaning to see clear as gold or tear. I have noticed many Latin words than in Albanian has a definition of etymology. Like Tesoro, in Albanian is Thesar= Thes+ ar= Sack of gold. Where in Albanian is compound word.

Thesar in arberesh is Vistar. Qart we say “qaru”

[@alfredgockaj2088]

@ The AR=Gold is still same. Maybe Vist in Albanian is Vishtë= to put on/to dress. Like Vistar= Dressed with gold. Gold cloths were common amongs Arbëror, documented by many westerners at the time. Probably Arbëresh kept it as Aristocrats moved with their tribes first. Kiartë/Kjartë= in gegh

[@notme1411]

Seemingly from Italian chiaro.[1] However, due to the existence of dialectal klartë and kjartë, a loan from Latin clarus seems more probable.[2] The word qartë itself is a loan to Albanian don't speak about etmyologies unless you do some research.

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

So they do not recognize the Arberesh language. They put Toskish words in Arberesh.

arberesh is a tosk variety

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

@ yes but Modern Tosk and Arberesh are different languages

[@yllbardh]

so what does *çertu* mean?

[@emanuelaburreli7548]

Më duket se vjen nga italishtja, certo- sigurisht

@@emanuelaburreli7548 vjen ka sicilghjani

[@truththruknowlej]

Cert-ainly!

[@emanuelaburreli7548]

@ po sicilghjani është gjuhë më vete(e veçantë) apo pjesë/ dialekt i italishtes?

[@emanuelaburreli7548]

@Arbëresh Tv apo e kishe fjalën për sicilian?

[@tomialbania]

Bashkia bashkim

[@zjarr6279]

Bashkia comes from the Albanian word bashke, which means unity/together, used in administration for a regional jurisdiction. It most likely derives from Latin fasciculum/fasce. In Romanian there is gasca, which means clique, cabal. Basically your townhall is named facism. LOL

[@aplsharusha]

Why Bashke should for any reason come from Latin!?!?!? Albanian language is 6000 years old!! Is the oldest European language!!

[@zjarr6279]

@@aplsharusha 6 billion years.

[@waymilky442]

@@zjarr6279 Troll. It's not from Latin.

[@waymilky442]

All etymologists and linguists disagree with you. Shame on you spreading misinformation.

[@user-rizzwan]

Etymology. From Proto-Albanian *baskā, from Proto-Indo-European *bʰask- (“bundle”). Cognate to Ancient Greek φάσκωλος (pháskōlos, “leathern bag, sack”), Ancient Macedonian βάσκιοι (báskioi, “fasces, bundle”), Latin fascis (“band, bundle”), Middle Irish basc (“collar, neck chain”).

[@dios1ish868]

This is good. Do not mix the Arberesh with the standard Albanian.

[@eddiexu77]

Why not? Arberesh is a form of Albanian with added Sicilian words they have to learn pure Albanian because they’re Albanian. It doesn’t matter if they’re Albanians 600 years ago Albanians are Albanians even 2000 years ago let alone 600 years ago

[@dios1ish868]

@@eddiexu77 Because they will lose the originality of that archaic Albanian spoken. What should be done is all that archaic language should be written down and protected. If they want to learn the standard, they con learn it, but without messing the Arbresh one. I think the same about the Gheg and Tosk dialects and sub-dialects we have, should all be collected and taught the same way as the standard.

[@eddiexu77]

@@dios1ish868 if you follow this guy Martin he’s final intentions are to completely detach Arberesh from Albanians and to give out his presentation that arberesh and Albanians are not the same because the Albanians have changed from the ottomans and they have become Turks. He’s in the same line are ultranationalist Serb and Greek.

[@dios1ish868]

@@eddiexu77 I hope he's not, but if he does that's not good. Actually the only language that is not widely spoken in Albania is Turkish, even if there are some adopted words as it's normal in all places they ruled over. Actually it's amazing how with everything Ottomans did to not allow us to learn our language, we resisted and prevailed to save our language with all its dialects and subdialects. Yes, Arberesh and Albanian in its core are the same. If we hear our grandparents or go in the deep regions of south Albania the way they express themselves is very close, since they tend to not speak the standard Albanian, but the regional old Albanian language.

[@DinaricUbermensch]

@@eddiexu77 true but gheg is still the OG dialect compared to tosk which arbereshe is based on

[@OriginalDoll1]

The idea of seperating Arberesh from Albanian is so strange .linguistically even me as a Diaspora Gheg-Albanian speaker I have nearly no difficulties in understanding Arberesh and also Arvanitika. One issue stems from Arberesh not being used to the standard Albanian phonetics and phonologics (which of course is due to lack of interaction with Albanians and Kosovo-Albanians). Socio-culturally speaking i think some Arberesh/Arvanites have internalized albanophobia/xenophobia because of the Albanian stereotypes they have been seeing in Italy and Greece. Therefore a generational shift of identity might happen due to lack of contact of your original culture and language. All in all let's keep it simple Albanian is the language with its several sub-dialects including Arberesh and Arvantika. there is nothing to seperate, most dialects have varrying lexems of other contact-languages

Na ka veç te hora jon ngë pensu se ka ndrëngosh gjirqish manku se flet midhema litisht. Mëno mënt komunikarsh me njatrë gluhë na do. Buria gjindje furrjarën gjithasajtena e kur mjidhëm pameta rtu e kan te kriet se jemi po një gjinde. Na ngë jemi shtu. Na ka të gjigjni ju kur thomi çë jemi.

[@waymilky442]

@ Purposely not speaking in a known language and making Arbereshe seem more alien. I can understand the arbereshe but never you. Traitor.

[@alfredgockaj2088]

I think Arbëresh should replace the latin words. Modern Arbëresh is now mixed and if continue so it will be lost. We have to keep in mind that the Arbëresh went in Italy and didn't know Italian (dialects) at all. Just Albanian. So the words that are now lost, is better to replace with Albanian. Like Bashkia= is a modern term in Albanian but still is Albanian. Bashkë= Together and Bashkësi= Multiciple. Or Sheshi= Square/Piazza

But then what will you do with Albanian’s latin and Turkic words?

But then what will you do with Albanian’s latin and Turkic words?

[@alfredgockaj2088]

@ we have to do the same. Is just politics that have stoped the observations over Sience Academy. The Sience Academy in Albania is in lethargic sleep. During communism was used the recycle many times but was stopped in 90's. Is just disappointing that Albanian is not still cleaned. There is no problem to clean Albanian from borrowing words because we have our words that are still alive.

[@eddiexu77]

@ there are absolutely not a single Turkish word in Albanian. Please do not start the slavo Greek propaganda.

[@eddiexu77]

You’re absolutely right mate but I think this guy Martin ti magio wants to get famous buy separating Albanian from Arberesh he go s that far and says that arberesh and Albanian is like Italian and Spanish that is bloody appalling Italian Aand Spanish are 2 completely different languages all they have is a few similar words not the same but similar. Albanian has more of the same words with Spanish than Italian has. I think this guy martin do magio is trouble don’t like his ideas at all

[@beautiful803]

Voi arbëresh dovete imparare la lingua standard a scuola uguale come noi in albania e poi il dialeto cultivatelo a casa

Noi abbiamo già una lingua standard è la nostra lingua di cuore è già coltivata e viva senza la contaminazione di una lingua straniera dell’Albania. Comunque anche amo la lingua albanese, ma non è la nostra lingua.

[@aquilaalbanese6056]

@ mi spieghi cosa vuol dire "non è la nostra lingua?" Ma perchè tu chè lingua parli , prima si chiamava arbërisht e adesso gli altri ce la chiamano albanese (shqip) È LA STESSA LINGUA . Solo che noi dell'albania abbiamo delle parole turche pure italiane perchè ci è stato vietato impararlo e cultivarlo nelle scuole per quasi 500 anni la lingua . E non è stata avanzata come lingua . Ma pure voi usate molto parole Italiane . Noi siamo fieri di voi Arbëresh perchè alla fine siamo la stessa razza e lo stesso sangue , ma anche voi dovete essere molto fieri di noi perchè alla fine del tutto noi siamo rimasti in casa nostra occupati per tanti anni dai turchi , greci e slavi . MA ALLA FINE SIAMO ANCORA QUI VIVI E FORTI COME SEMPRE 🇦🇱 Ma una domanda , voi lo sentite di più vostro o nostro Gjergj Kastriotin , Skënderbeun ? ... che la religione non centri nulla sul discorso , ognuno libero di credere dove vuole , perchè alla fine i nostri antenati Ilirët erano pagani , nè Cristiani nè islamici

[@arbenkalaj1793]

@ come diceva Fantozzi, questa e una cagata pazzesca! Che se non la sparavi avresti fatto una bella figura!

[@blblblblbl395]

La lingua Arberesh e quasi estinta, e non per colpa della lingua Albanese.