Three decades on, Croatia's Vukovar bears invisible scars of war • FRANCE 24 English

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FRANCE 24 English

22 күн бұрын

The Croatian city of Vukovar, on the banks of the Danube, has a painful past. Located on the border with Serbia, it was the scene of the first major battle in the 1990s Balkan wars. Four years before the genocide in Srebrenica and eight years before the war in Kosovo, Vukovar was the first city in the former Yugoslavia to suffer ethnic cleansing, in 1991. More than 30 years later, reconciliation between local Serbs and Croats is hindered by impunity for war crimes and the inability to agree on a common version of events.
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@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 20 күн бұрын
At 16:11 you can see the bridge named after Jean-Michel Nicollier, a French volunteer who fought for Croatian independence. He was beaten and murdered by the Serbs along with the other Croatian hospital patients in 1991.
@ccjojococoJOJOcasa
@ccjojococoJOJOcasa 19 күн бұрын
hes the only reason I like France
@powderskier5547
@powderskier5547 19 күн бұрын
@@ccjojococoJOJOcasa Cant argue with that
@tomislavb5760
@tomislavb5760 18 күн бұрын
And he is still recorded as missing
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 16 күн бұрын
So where is his grave? Come on Serbs...waiting for your ''clever'' comments??
@juricapuljiz5738
@juricapuljiz5738 17 күн бұрын
Never forget, never forgive, Vukovar 1991!
@JmKrokY
@JmKrokY 7 күн бұрын
Nemože se zauvijek ostati u prošlosti.
@robertomadunic7017
@robertomadunic7017 2 күн бұрын
​@@JmKrokYProšlosti?Jel si slijep,pa ne vidiš politiku koja se vodi preko Dunava.Prošlost,sadašnjost,a ako budemo mlaki,budućnost gora od prošlosti.Onaj tko nije osjetio 1991,ne može namirisati šta se sprema.
@javanava8925
@javanava8925 19 күн бұрын
I was eight years old when the war started at the end of 1991. I was living 30 km west from Vukovar. They never entered my village but next village was occupied. Sleeping with few families in a basement for 3 months like a dog while they were shelling us day after day. My father sent my mother, brother and me to the coast, I've become refugee. My father stayed. At that time USA and Europe didn't do anything and we had to fight for the next 4.5 years. In August 1995 in big military operation Storm (the biggest in Europe after WW2, 130,000 soldiers) we won. That's why we need and must help Ukraine, aggressor understands only force and power. Slava Ukraini.
@mrbad3036
@mrbad3036 19 күн бұрын
Seems like the Serbian government is the Kremlin of the Balkans. The civilians seem to not mind living together (apart from some nationalists).
@Potent_Techmology
@Potent_Techmology 18 күн бұрын
how do you fight the mis and dis information created to divide the otherwise obvious path for justice?
@vradomir
@vradomir 18 күн бұрын
No refugees from 1995 operation Storm, right?
@Miguel-uh3oo
@Miguel-uh3oo 18 күн бұрын
@@vradomir no prisoners either 😂 I wonder what happened ..
@lukadapro7112
@lukadapro7112 18 күн бұрын
@@vradomir When you start trouble and idiotically proclaim "this is Serbia" expect a responce in kind.
@tomislavb5760
@tomislavb5760 18 күн бұрын
It is clear to see why Serbia and Russia are such good friends.
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
Yes, that's why you purchased so many weapons from Russia in the 90s, typical lying Croat.
@damirglavas7940
@damirglavas7940 17 күн бұрын
True,they are the same 🤔
@nukana-wb9bm
@nukana-wb9bm 14 күн бұрын
​@@danieltorlak5579 its because nobody likes serbs not even russians...dobrica cosic "father of serbian nation" saud that lying is the national pride of serbian nation
@joschmo4497
@joschmo4497 19 күн бұрын
The guy at the end, Serb of course, is saying that people are not just seen as residents of a town. Yeah, that tends to happen when people recognise you and remember the atrocities you did. You can plea ignorance, but they remember. It doesn't have to be like that? Then stop the denialism, hand over all the perpetrators and condemn them. Make the bare minimum effort instead of sheltering criminals, instead of expecting victims to just forget it happened.
@user-wk8vc1os1f
@user-wk8vc1os1f 18 күн бұрын
Oh I was there too and there were atrocities towards Serbs too, don't pretend you don't know. Civilians were killed just because they were Serbs, I know many of them. There were even cans produced with the title "pure croatian air" - what sick people come up with that idea. No atrocities can make up for what was done during NDH. Serbs are the ones forgetting quickly- but NOT ANY MORE.
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 18 күн бұрын
​​​@@user-wk8vc1os1f "civilians were killed just because they were serbs" 😂😂😂😂😂 Arkans Tigers, white eagles "civilians" Never forget srebrenica and vukovar btw...
@Miguel-uh3oo
@Miguel-uh3oo 18 күн бұрын
You just explained what led to this and why Serbs hate Croats so much. They remember ustašas and their atrocities from WW2. If you still think it’s all white and black I have news for you
@Miguel-uh3oo
@Miguel-uh3oo 18 күн бұрын
You just described what led to this. Serbs didn’t forget what Croats did during WW2 and Croatia’s call for independence was the perfect excuse. Serbs were never the first ones to throw the stone.
@ivanmihaelmatkovic2464
@ivanmihaelmatkovic2464 17 күн бұрын
​@@Miguel-uh3oo The reason why the Ustaše did what they did was due to the repression of the Croats and other people during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
@antepilic7422
@antepilic7422 18 күн бұрын
The priest is lying. JNA was purely Serbian army at that time because all Croats left JNA when the war started and joined Croatian army.
@sesvecan
@sesvecan 18 күн бұрын
Also the reasoning, in France the police would also take Action on terrorists is totally stupid not on point. In France the police is not mass graving a towns population. I hate to say it but fanatical hate preachers like that one are one of the biggest security threats Croatia has. Such preachers blessed Serbian rifles and guns during the war. In weak times like during Covid, those people are the long arm of Seriban foreign policy.
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
Awww, more lies from Ante. Now what was Croatia's Army...? Full of Serbs and Bosniaks, right? So, in 1993, while BiH was under attack by Croatia's regular forces, could Bosnian Orthodox and Muslims pray in West Mostar on Orthodox Christmas or Eid? Where would they be able to pray given all Orthodox churches and mosques had been destroyed? hahaha
@mbplayrecord7275
@mbplayrecord7275 17 күн бұрын
And the tanks came from Belgrade Serbia. He is lying and you can see that he doesn’t believe in what he is saying either.
@kinglizard3406
@kinglizard3406 16 күн бұрын
Macedonians, Montenegro and so on..
@sesvecan
@sesvecan 16 күн бұрын
​@@danieltorlak5579 There are even video clips of Slovenian and Croat JNA officers deserting and switching sides. Yes, JNA had even huge barracks in Zagreb but don't try to tell me that Croats and Bosniaks did expell and mass-killed their own people. The priest tries to make a point by drawing a comparison to France and how they deal with terrorists. Cities have been flattened, civilists systematically expelled and killed, long before Croatia retaliated and counter attacked in 1995. For the dirty work Pro-Serb Militia forces were used. Who do you think organized them?
@hrvojecosic8802
@hrvojecosic8802 19 күн бұрын
Merci Jean.....we will never forget How about you French do a story about JEAN MICHELE NICOLIER
@damirglavas7940
@damirglavas7940 17 күн бұрын
Nous ne l'oublierons jamais🤗...le Hero de Yukovar😐😪
@oskng
@oskng 16 күн бұрын
​@@damirglavas7940legenda koja prije toga ni vojnik nije bio. Pogotovo kada mu je ponudjeno da se izvuce, odbio je i odlucio ostati (nazalost). Jednostavno je postao simbol domovinskog rata (jedan od mnogih), ali sto kazem, nije prije bio vojnik i nije imao bas nista sa hrvatskom, ali mu je srce bilo na pravoj strani, samo kada bi ubice progovorile, pa makar i anonimno i rekle gdje je pokopan, pa da mu obitelj nadje barem malo mira isto tako i za sve druge zrtve. Nikada mi nece biti jasno, kako "netko" moze mirno spavati i gledati se u ogledalo, a ne zeli otkriti gdje su pokopani svi ti heroji. Strasno
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 16 күн бұрын
YES!
@hrvojesvetec3058
@hrvojesvetec3058 19 күн бұрын
Im Croat and i can tell you that a LOT of stuff from the war are not resolved..some saying "lets not talk and look at the past etc"..but truly think we HAVE TO DEAL with the past FIRST,before we can move on..Croatia is split abt this..what and how to do..so we can realy move on and honestly live together..dont think you can just push all this under the carpet and ignore it all..
@frankbk2926
@frankbk2926 18 күн бұрын
No amnesty for animals
@asterixx6878
@asterixx6878 17 күн бұрын
There is one extremely important thing that you forget to mention in this kind of documentaries - the current government of Serbia. Serbia, which is in practice a one-party state, has a government that thrives on keeping tensions between Croatia and Serbia at an all-time high. Vucic (Serbian dictator) knows that his country is in a sorry state and the tensions serve to keep him in power. Of course, this also feeds Croatian 'nationalists', which is exactly what Vucic wants. Vucic does not want reconciliation, he wants to keep tensions between Serbs and Croats at the highest level! For this, ordinary people have to pay, in both Serbia and Croatia. Most of all in Serbia, of course, which today is a thoroughly impoverished dictatorship, with no future prospects whatsoever. So - how could you forget to mention all this? Is this completely unknown to you?
@ilirianbardhi7901
@ilirianbardhi7901 18 күн бұрын
🇦🇱🇭🇷✝️
@PP266
@PP266 19 күн бұрын
Probably the most objective outside view of Vukovar there is. Croatian TV statitions wouldn't have the guts to publish it, Serbian TV stations want another war and talk about Greater Serbia every day.
@user-xj3ve7wt8k
@user-xj3ve7wt8k 19 күн бұрын
"A lie is a Serb national interest. Lying is a form of Serbian patriotism and a confirmation of our innate intelligence. We lie artistically, imaginatively and inventively." - Dobrica Cosic Father of the Serbian Nation
@dusanmoderc9110
@dusanmoderc9110 18 күн бұрын
He never said that lol
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 18 күн бұрын
​@@dusanmoderc9110 He did book seobe
@ITD2O2
@ITD2O2 18 күн бұрын
@dusanmoderc9110 Hahaha..You just proved his point
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
Typical Croatian liar!
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 17 күн бұрын
​@@danieltorlak5579 liars = serbs Never forget srebrenica, vukovar or kosova
@SK-lt1so
@SK-lt1so 20 күн бұрын
"Agree on a common version of events"?! People still argue about the Norman invasion of England 1066!
@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 20 күн бұрын
I read somewhere that in 1991 the Serbian soldiers crucified and mutilated a Croat in Vukovar in public on the street.
@alexcray999
@alexcray999 19 күн бұрын
I heard Americans did the same in Libya , Yemen , Iraq and Afgahnistan
@jonelova
@jonelova 18 күн бұрын
“A” Croat? Then you haven’t heard of Ovčara and Velepromet. Vilim Karlović wrote a book “I survived Ovčarea and Velepromet”, and it’s possible it has been translated into English. That is, if you want to read about the horrors he has experienced, and somehow survived to witness about it. They organised “torture chambers” in occupied villages, in private (empty) homes, in the cellars - where they would collect villagers, and then torture them there for days, eventually never sending them back home. The bodies of these victims have still not be found. There was a beautiful old man who was captured and he swallowed a wooden Catholic cross he had with him. When a četnik/yugoslav army soldier cut his throat, trying to kill him - and then threw him in some pit - that wooden cross stuck in his throat saved his life. He managed to crawl out of that pit (canal) where all dead bodies were thrown, only to be captured again at a different place. He then ended in concentration camps organised in serbia, somehow managed to survive these tortures, and then finally got exchanged for serbian prisoners of war captured by Croatian Army. During these exchanges of prisoners - there was a visible difference - those who were held by Croatian forces looked normally, while these coming from concentration camps in serbia looked like shadows of themselves, lost 40 kg each, all bruised and beaten, broken legs and arms, broken ribs, internal organs all shook from heavy beatings. One of the “entertainment” methods for the monsters leading these concentration camps/prisons in serbia was to make all prisoners lie down on the floor along the corridor - and then they would run across them in heavy boots, stepping on their fingers and all other body parts on purpose. And that was just one of the torturing methods. Some prisoners didn’t survive. Some committed a suicide after coming back home as they couldn’t live with degradation and horror they experienced there. The average age of these prisoners in serbian concentration camps is 55, they die at least 20 years earlier then those who weren’t prisoners of war in serbia, or any other serbian “prison” (concentration camp style prisons).
@antepilic7422
@antepilic7422 18 күн бұрын
That’s unfortunately true and thanks to EU and US they got away with it, like many others who still live in Croatia but are protected by “our” government.
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
Well you should do some more reading ignoramus! In November 1992, a Croatian fascist in Gornji Vakuf d--c--itated a Bosniak paraplegic elderly man in a wheelchair.
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
@@jonelova Hahaha, where can I find book by Croat written about AHMICI?? ha hahah
@Semprini537
@Semprini537 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, we saw the international justice, how it works. The serbian commander got 3 years of prison,while Croatian defenders were charged as war criminals. Shame on you Haag
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 15 күн бұрын
Indeed
@tomtom34b
@tomtom34b 13 күн бұрын
Also I wanted to add one thing: Idk what the presenter of the report wanted to say with "the croats also taking up arms" 1:25 If THAT is a thematical link (or is supposed to be a link) to the current fight of Ukraine against the invasion of Russia, let me remind you of one fact that is a key difference: Ukraine is getting all sorts of military weapons systems deliveries from high tech weapons and satellite data and military advisors etc. , they prolly even get sent even the kitchen sink. What did Croatia get instead in comparison? Well, maybe you guessed it correctly: A WEAPONS EMBARGO! Go figure!
@Stjepan-vc4cs
@Stjepan-vc4cs 19 күн бұрын
Not Balkans- Croatia
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
But nonetheless, you are producing more "Balkan" beasts than anybody.... Tuta, Praljak, Susak and others. Hence civilized Europe has sentenced your "generals" and politicians to over 200 years imprisonment! Lol!
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 17 күн бұрын
​​​@@danieltorlak5579 nothing compare to Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Arkan, Legija, Seselj...biggest beasts and criminals in balkans history..
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 16 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@jordanleovic2525
@jordanleovic2525 17 күн бұрын
My heart goes out to Mladen, the Croatian veteran. As someone who has mixed Croat and Serb heritage, I've always taken the view that we must forgive our enemies and work towards co-existence. But hearing his words, 'we must remember who the perpetrators were, so future generations won't make the same mistake again' has rung a lot more truth to my ears than I expected. It's easy for me, an Australian with no family members killed in the war, to preach forgiveness and coexistence when I have nobody to forgive, and for that matter, nobody to coexist with. I still do hope that Serbs and Croats can move on and celebrate what makes us so similar, but I understand it's so much easier said than it is done.
@djm6767
@djm6767 19 күн бұрын
don't sell Serbia weapons!
@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 20 күн бұрын
If you look up the Serbian author Dobrica Ćosić and his description of what are the most important virtues of the Serbian people, it's really all you need to know.
@Stjepan-vc4cs
@Stjepan-vc4cs 17 күн бұрын
Yea, Srpski Svet
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 16 күн бұрын
@@Stjepan-vc4cs "The Croatian Army was never illegally in BiH." Still to this day proclaimed by Croatian ultra-nationalists, who don't have a sense of irony. 😁
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 16 күн бұрын
​@@Stjepan-vc4cs If Serbs were so evil, why did you collaborate with them over the course of a century? Why did Yugoslavia even exist in the first place if Serbs and Croats were so different and culturally disagreeable? The fact is, you were stakeholders in the persecution and Serbian crime machine until Serbs turned on you and attacked you. It's not like that even helped you learn something, because two years after Vukovar, there you were destroying East Mostar and Gornji Vakuf. You are religiously devoted to Croatian nationalist lies, it seems.
@markorasetina463
@markorasetina463 17 күн бұрын
The priest is lying !
@tomtom34b
@tomtom34b 13 күн бұрын
My parents are from Vukovar, I was born in munich. I now live in a village close to Vukovar, called Bogdanovci, my uncle was the commander of the defense of this village during the war. I once asked him, during an hour long voyage, if Croatians and Serbs could ever become "friends". Just like historically the germans and the french were eternal enemies, but after 2 world wars (and let´s face it, despite Sarajevo lighting up the powder keg, essentially both world wars were german/french conflicts and they were the main combatants), they buried their hatchets and moved on. Perhaps because too much blood was shed on both sides. And don´t get me wrong: Ofcourse much blood was shed between Serbs and Croats in history, but the amount pales in comparison to the wars between Germany and France, and YET these two nations are now at peace with each other, right? Fortunately enough, all my family from Vukovar, except one distant Great-uncle, which i liked (who was shot by some serb bandits) survived, so i have not much grievance. I also never had any problems with Serbs while I was living in munich. I would love to see a friendly relationship between croats and serbs, but unfortunately, I don´t see a perspective for it, at least not in the near future. And here is why: As is pointed out in the video, as part of the agreements, the serbs achieved the rights for seperate education. That is good for the serbs, and I have no problem with that in general. Let them have the right for seperate education. It just is not helpful for integration, but maybe, potentially, other problems could arise from mixing these schoolkids together. Imo, there should be schools where integration with both populations is tested, and these being monitored and examined, and other where that is not the case. And then we can make further decisions. But I think there is a lack of trust from both sides in this matter. I will remind you of the conversation that I had with my uncle, who was the commander of the forces that defended Bogdanovci in the war. He was born in 1947. People who are born much later still hold a grudge (and given the fact, that my family got off lightly, but others have not, that grudge might be MUCH MUCH deeper than mine, I understand), the only way forward to EVENTUALLY remove the grudge is our future generations, and that starts in schools. If our children learn the hate, learn a separation, then nothing can change to a better future. I will actually try to approach the serbian church in Vukovar (it is shown in the video), and hopefully start a fruitful dialogue. Wish me luck 🙂 I am optimistic for that. I hope to become a mediator in a sense.
@mt-pt7cy
@mt-pt7cy 19 күн бұрын
ZDS 🇭🇷 🇲🇫💪🙋
@danieltorlak5579
@danieltorlak5579 17 күн бұрын
Note to foreigners: Author of this tweet is a fascist Croat, writing a fascist Croatian slogan and his avatar is Greater Croatia, which is Serb, Montenegrin and Bosniak majority territory annexed to Zagreb. He is stereotypically the type that is complaining about "fascist" "aggression" from "Greater Serbia". Croats are self-refuting clowns and frauds!
@illyricum701
@illyricum701 16 күн бұрын
🇦🇱🇭🇷 viva hrvatska
@user-xj3ve7wt8k
@user-xj3ve7wt8k 20 күн бұрын
✝🙏
@snazzysailor
@snazzysailor 18 күн бұрын
That map is off
@Perusic123
@Perusic123 19 күн бұрын
Serbs have to start living in reality and accept responsibility,,,,and Croats have to bury their past 1941~45____but ===========never forget Vukovar --
@zeuslord2869
@zeuslord2869 19 күн бұрын
"bury" the past??? WHATS WRONG wiTH YOU??? People's LIVES were RUINED FOREVER.
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 15 күн бұрын
Why would Croats forget Vukovar? What a silly and ignorant comment altogether!
@Perusic123
@Perusic123 15 күн бұрын
@@hm-fe9ur we can never and should never forget Vukovat. There are other portions of our not so recent history that should be laid to rest
@tarikmehmedika2754
@tarikmehmedika2754 15 күн бұрын
People of Bosnia and especially Srebrenica know what they went through. But sad to remember that Croatia also later attacked Bosnia.
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 15 күн бұрын
Bosnians backstabbed croats...and croats saved bosnians from serbs
@tarikmehmedika2754
@tarikmehmedika2754 15 күн бұрын
@@user-nm1gz6cm7h As if, they destroyed and divided Mostar and good part of Herzegovina.
@hm-fe9ur
@hm-fe9ur 15 күн бұрын
Who and what is Bosnia? That's the real question... to understand who's attacking whom?! So many nations are people of Bosnia!
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 14 күн бұрын
@@tarikmehmedika2754 thats what bosniaks did...croats saved Mostar from serbs, then bosniaks worked together with These serbs
@locorico3702
@locorico3702 19 күн бұрын
The most objective western video. 😁
@00MSG
@00MSG 18 күн бұрын
Even as a Croatian I have to say it's extremely unprofessional (and not true) to say that Belgrad back then considered Vukovar as part of Greater Serbia. We don't need propganda when the truth is enough.
@PrimumMovens
@PrimumMovens 3 күн бұрын
You are not Croatian. You are just a proof that Dobrica Cosic was right.
@StudioTomicTim
@StudioTomicTim 18 күн бұрын
Why allways one side. Why don't you interview 90% of people from Vukovar. Let's hear other side. Why so afraid of truth?
@stevanjakovljevic8390
@stevanjakovljevic8390 19 күн бұрын
You are prof that is much better to be german ally than frances. When it was 100 years of WW1 ending , in Paris , serbian delegation wasnt on stage , it was in public . Vuko-var , Tamis-var, Belo-var, Szeg-var , thoese are all hungaryan - magar names of town .
@Harahvaiti
@Harahvaiti 19 күн бұрын
True because unlike Serbian practice in Vojvodina, Croatia did not change the name of cities... Zrenjanin was Nagybecskerek once. Srbobran was Szentomas, Sombor is Hungarian name, Apatin is Hungarian name. Not to mention smaller towns or villages like Aleksa Šantić, Krajišnik, Karađorđevo, Mišićevo etc. all renamed from original Hungarian and German names into Serbian.
@joschmo4497
@joschmo4497 19 күн бұрын
Yeah because we lived with Hungarians in peace and we had no need to twist history. All the "vars" may have been named by them, but they're not the majority there anymore. Now let's talk about Belgrade and the fact that it was named by Croats. Is it a Croatian city now then?
@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 19 күн бұрын
Have a look at the international map of Serbia (Servia) from 1910 it does not include Kosovo or Vojvodina.
@seljak90
@seljak90 18 күн бұрын
And if you speak about past before WW1 which terorist state organized assasination od Ferdinand in Sarajevo and more back in history, who were invaders together with Otoman army in centuries before? Jasenovac happened but retaliation after WW2 happened, too.
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 18 күн бұрын
Belgrade comes from turkish Name for "white mosque"...Same with vladicin Han, novi pazar etc. Nis, vranje are of of albanian origin...because they were historically albanian towns
@ANICETVS
@ANICETVS 17 күн бұрын
Think about what they did to each other, both of them were Christians. Serbs committed genocide against Muslims in Bosnia in front of the world. What a traumatic narrative prevails in a city where 200 people died. 100 thousand Muslims were killed by Serbs and Croats in Bosnia.
@kinglizard3406
@kinglizard3406 16 күн бұрын
100 thousand??? now you sound like serb
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 15 күн бұрын
Actually muslims killed thousands of innocent christian people in bosnia... and bosnians attacked Christian people in central bosnia first, and then Christians striked back...
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 15 күн бұрын
Turkey = ISIS
@user-vt3ig2bk4j
@user-vt3ig2bk4j 14 күн бұрын
That many people (100 000) are presently thought to have died on all sides combined during the Yogoslav wars, soldiers plus civilians. Check your facts again.
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 14 күн бұрын
@@user-vt3ig2bk4j 92% of all war crimes during yugoslav wars were done by serbs
@anthonyradic6794
@anthonyradic6794 17 күн бұрын
It's a sad reflection on journalist integrity when one side's victims are honoured and martyred whilst another's are looked down upon as collateral damage. May Vukovar live in peace, as both Croats and Serbs deserve.
@darkobojovic1936
@darkobojovic1936 17 күн бұрын
Once you see how many Serbs lived in Bosnia before and after the war, you'll relise who was a real victim.
@Stjepan-vc4cs
@Stjepan-vc4cs 17 күн бұрын
Serbs ethnicly cleansed half of Bosnian Territory and its ok ?
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 17 күн бұрын
​@@Stjepan-vc4cs serbian genocidal people
@darkobojovic1936
@darkobojovic1936 13 күн бұрын
@@Stjepan-vc4cs So where those Serbs who "occupied" that part of Bosnia now called Republika Srpska used to live before the war??
@barmajutta-oj8td
@barmajutta-oj8td 12 күн бұрын
​@@darkobojovic1936 in bijeljina, posavina, srebrenica, zvornik, travnik, kozarac the town became serbian because of ethnic cleansing
@vladnickul
@vladnickul 20 күн бұрын
... slavs
@jhonywalker002
@jhonywalker002 20 күн бұрын
all europeans were fighting wars all the time before wwii
@vladnickul
@vladnickul 20 күн бұрын
​@@jhonywalker002 obviously, we sure did that. that's not the point.
@alandedic2868
@alandedic2868 19 күн бұрын
​?
@alandedic2868
@alandedic2868 19 күн бұрын
?
@Harahvaiti
@Harahvaiti 19 күн бұрын
Haha, Romanian, an unwanted pauper cousin of Romance peoples, is mocking Slavs. This is hilarious.
@stevie6621
@stevie6621 9 күн бұрын
Same one sided western propaganda like the 90s.
@cabininthewoods7326
@cabininthewoods7326 20 күн бұрын
If all the older people will keep their mouths closed about the past the youth would live a better peaceful life.
@zeuslord2869
@zeuslord2869 19 күн бұрын
NO. Just keep ALL serbs awaya from Croats and ALL would be OK.
@mudristefamon2338
@mudristefamon2338 17 күн бұрын
As a reminder, Croatia's state policy from 1941-1945 was "Kill one third of Serbs, Catholicize one third, expel one third" Croats killed 720,000 Serbs in Jasenovac and other concentration camps, they were also the only country in the world that had a concentration camp for children. you have the testimonies of the Germans as well. Of course, the international community thought it was a smart idea to support such a state, and of course they completed their plan by expelling the Serbs in 1995 Instead of dealing with that, you are dealing with propaganda against the Serbs, which you have been pushing since the 90s
@liva236muzika
@liva236muzika 16 күн бұрын
It was German state policy to exterminate all Jews in the 40s. What's your point? Countries change (except Serbia, apparently).
@filijala7925
@filijala7925 16 күн бұрын
Now, lets do the math 4 years of jasenovac x 365 days = 1460 days 720 000/1460 = 493 So, you are trying to say that NDH had enough manpower, resources, time and logistics to kill 493 people every single day for 4 years and dispose their bodies while at the same time actively fighting on multiple fronts in ww2? Is that what you really traing to say? P.s. this number tend to rise over years, it used to be 500k couple of years ago.
@mrasabaharsa-kq2fn
@mrasabaharsa-kq2fn 15 күн бұрын
Serbs ethnic cleansed 200.000 croats and other non-serbs from croatia Serbs ethnic cleansed 800.000 bosniak and croatian civilians from bosnia and rpd over 50.000 underaged bosniak and croatian girls in children rp camps in front of there parents... Never forget srebrenica, sarajevo, prijedor, kozarac, foca, visegrad, bihac, zvornik, bijeljina, posavina etc. Last but not least serbs ethnic cleansed 1.000.000 albanians from kosova...and rpd over 20.000 albanian girls up to 7(!) years in front of there parents
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 15 күн бұрын
As a reminder: Serbian state policy in the 1990s and now is to exterminate all non-serbs from balkans
@nuvon-kn3se
@nuvon-kn3se 15 күн бұрын
Serbian concentration camp for children = rakovica manastir near belgrade Also serbs raped over 70.000 bosniak, albanian and croatian children up to 7 years (!) in front of there parents
@miloskaragic764
@miloskaragic764 13 күн бұрын
Sick propaganda
@barmajutta-oj8td
@barmajutta-oj8td 12 күн бұрын
Clear facts
@blagojelukic
@blagojelukic 19 күн бұрын
Now go to visit Jasenovac and do bit of history lessons before publication of more lies about war in Yugoslavia
@Oldmz
@Oldmz 19 күн бұрын
Whole world believes in lies,but only serbians know the truth and are the biggest victims in all the history,in all the wars they have lost...
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 19 күн бұрын
​@@Oldmz true...serbs did genocide on All balkan people and they blame others...
@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 19 күн бұрын
Why did the Serbs rape 50,000 women in Bosnia and why did the Serbs fill houses full of women and children in Eastern Bosnia and burn the houses down? Please do explain, are you suggesting the Serbs were taking out their frustrations on pregnant women and little kids in the 1990s for events in 1940s?
@antepilic7422
@antepilic7422 18 күн бұрын
I presume you are talking about allegedly 1.500.000 Serbs killed by Ustashe. That’s debunked as the biggest lie in history of this part of Europe even by some Serbian scientists.
@Swrktar
@Swrktar 18 күн бұрын
Was jasonavac a lie too?
@bojancavric673
@bojancavric673 19 күн бұрын
Totally unobjective propaganda
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 19 күн бұрын
Clear fact
@antepilic7422
@antepilic7422 18 күн бұрын
You’re in denial.
@CurlyKebab
@CurlyKebab 18 күн бұрын
​@@antepilic7422Serbian nationalists are so annoying. They are still in denial about Srenrenica despite the whole world viewing it a genocide
@dusan9930
@dusan9930 19 күн бұрын
What about Jasenovac? 400,000 serbs and roms killed
@nisdek
@nisdek 19 күн бұрын
it vas 4 400 432,and 3 000 000 more missing
@Stjepan-vc4cs
@Stjepan-vc4cs 19 күн бұрын
Lie, biggest casualitie in Hasenova were Croats killed by Partizans
@user-pc2jp2yr3c
@user-pc2jp2yr3c 19 күн бұрын
Can you name the Yugoslav study that claims that and the person who wrote it? There were three Yugoslav studies done during communist Yugoslavia on Yugoslav deaths during WW2. One in the 1960s and two in the 1980s and none have the number you have quoted or what you are claiming for Jasenovac camp.
@ivansalic4594
@ivansalic4594 18 күн бұрын
A 400000, no, 3 million no 4 million,f liers…….
@danielzuro16
@danielzuro16 18 күн бұрын
Jasenovac was 50 years prior to the ethnic cleansing that serbs did to Croats and Bosnians. the 125,000 people murdered by the ustashe is a tragedy and did not go unpunished, but it does not justify the premeditated genocide, rape and displacement of people caused by serbia and serbians, infact the punishment should be even greater on serbia because they committed far worse crimes at a later date.
@srdjankovacevic5854
@srdjankovacevic5854 19 күн бұрын
Pure propaganda!!!
@hrvojecosic8802
@hrvojecosic8802 19 күн бұрын
Truth will set you free ... chedo
@joschmo4497
@joschmo4497 19 күн бұрын
@@hrvojecosic8802 "A lie is a Serb national interest. Lying is a form of Serbian patriotism and a confirmation of our innate intelligence. We lie artistically, imaginatively and inventively." - Dobrica Cosic
@warlok007
@warlok007 19 күн бұрын
Pure denial of truth ... chedo
@powderskier5547
@powderskier5547 19 күн бұрын
Cant hide the truth, thats the problem with some of you serbs, until you see the daylight things will never get better
@HarisP000
@HarisP000 18 күн бұрын
Stay mad
@alexcray999
@alexcray999 19 күн бұрын
Country was Yugoslavia . The legal army is the Yugoslav Army . Good propaganda Frenchie
@HarisP000
@HarisP000 18 күн бұрын
The Socialist Republic of Croatia had declared independence from The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, therefore the Yugoslav Army had no business being on foreign soil and was the aggressor. Nice propaganda tho čedo
@ljuboizsiska5448
@ljuboizsiska5448 18 күн бұрын
The country was Croatia, which had the right to secede under the Yugoslav Constitution. The Yugoslav Army, in which the officers were predominantly Serbs, sided with Serbia. Serbia is a sad and pathetic nation that always loses and whines.
@tylerdurden9161
@tylerdurden9161 18 күн бұрын
Serbia stole almost all the weapons from the Yugoslav army. The other 5 republic got only a small part of it. What does that tell you? The high Yugoslav command was Serbian. That was a clear violation of the Yugoslav constitution that claimed every nation must be represented in the command. That is how Serbia effectively took control over the Yugoslav army before the war started. The commander of the Yugoslav army was Serbian and had a deal with Milosevic to steal more than half of Croatian land and all of Bosnia to create a mythical state of great Serbia. In 1991. only Serbs remained in the Yugoslav army, and when the war started Serbia couldn't recruit normal conscripts. Because young normal Serbs wouldn't go to war and they fled the country. Serbia released thousands of murderers, thieves, and rapist from jails and sent them to Croatia to fight for imaginary great Serbia. They promised them freedom. The Serbian Yugoslav army wasn't there to bring order, but to kill, ethnic cleans Croatians, and destroy the city. They succeeded partially. 30 years later Vukovar isn't 100% rebuild.
@antepilic7422
@antepilic7422 18 күн бұрын
Yugoslavia was not a country but union of six independent republics and three autonomous regions, Vojvodina, Kosovo and Sandžak.
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 18 күн бұрын
​@@ljuboizsiska5448 same about bosnia, macedonia, slovenia and kosova
@HrvatDoHrvata
@HrvatDoHrvata 17 күн бұрын
The truth is, Serbia aggressively attacked Croatia in '91, the Croatian defense army destroyed the 3rd military power in Europe, the Yugoslav army, and serbian rebels and drunken chetniks. Serbia lost the war, beaten to the core in the magnificent military operation Storm '95. The cowardly politics of Serbia are the servants of the French and British Freemasons. They did not succeed, Croatia will live forever.💪🇭🇷 BOG I HRVATI!
@serbianboss3294
@serbianboss3294 18 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 18 күн бұрын
Oluja 1995 😂😂😂😂😂
@speelangs7161
@speelangs7161 2 күн бұрын
NATO 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 Kosovo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Crna Gora 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@user-nm1gz6cm7h
@user-nm1gz6cm7h 2 күн бұрын
@@speelangs7161 RRNOFT REPUBLIKA KOSOVA E LIRE
@speelangs7161
@speelangs7161 2 күн бұрын
@@user-nm1gz6cm7h Seems like you did not understand what I meant....Crna Gora and Kosovo are territories which Serbia has lost. Indeed countries which never belonged to Serbia. So put the finger in your...
@11ESSE111
@11ESSE111 17 күн бұрын
Tudjman sold city to serbs and then later gives all privilegies to serbs there
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