Three Kingdoms: Debate with Wu Scholars (1 of 3)

Zhuge Liang travels to East Wu in order to build an alliance against Cao Cao. Before he meets Sun Quan, Lu Su introduced him to a group of East Wu scholars who have advised Sun Quan to surrender to Cao Cao.

[@qweldl]

This is the best version Zhuge Liang all time.

[@neocomp92]

Keep in mind that Wei did not technically unify China. Keep in mind that the Cao family lost hold of the empire, and that Sima family took over, reformed it as Jin and ended the Three Kingdoms period.

[@ElBandito]

TBF, Wei did annex Shu, and could have just as easily taken Wu.

[@SnooterZ]

I love how theyre all smirking when theyre being introduced like heheheeheheheeee...im so cool...

[@mnf94-60]

They've been smoking that loud 4real

[@mat7083]

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[@charliecho5392]

I find myself laughing with them when they try to make fun of zhuge master 😢.

[@FIxt00l]

5:38 When that mighty aura shines, and master Kongming looks at you and smiles like that... You know you are in for a shocking, total pwnage. Respect!

[@xTnT87]

This section is my favourite part of the story. Battle of Red Cliffs is truly fascinating!

[@jonahwu9230]

looking back on those tv series made me realize how good portrayals can be back in the 90's that china could put all the country's talents and efforts into just for purely art pursuits. true masterpiece in comparison to today's commercialized junks.

[@Kbbqdota]

Having just watched scenes like this in the new 2010 ROTK series, I've gotta say that even though everything's dubbed and old here, it's still significantly better. I like that the old three kingdoms series isn't afraid to get into deeper language and wordplay even if it might take more knowledge or effort to comprehend, instead of the cleaner and often dumbed down version (albeit with better technology) that the new version has. This is dubbed and that's sometimes clunky, sure. But this scene still puts its 2010 version to shame.

[@mymagicloulou4394]

If you study the language of mandarins, their truly origin meaning, you will find out how deepest and wisest scholar in old times, than the narrow scholar in our times. But i can understand why. In our times that almost influenced by western culture, we find most easy and comfortable area that we began to spoil our body and mind. Finally, even the words of chinese changed into simplified because of that influence. It's easy, but lacked meaning. Thus, it lack the meaning of our lives, mind, body, because we depended on easy-comfortable culture, increasing cheating and corrupt, so even finding people in old times, so very wise and rightouness person is very rare in our times. Our times now is as Zhuge Liang said, "how can common bird can be expected to understand the mind of long-white crane?"

[@homelessbulletballinventor3074]

Yes. 2010 is a diluted version of rottk.

[@cennon]

I like the newer one better because it's easier to follow, and the actor who played Cao Cao was amazing. But I agree, there were some spots like this where the older version is really better than the 2010 version.

[@svlina]

This version of performance is very vivid and Zhuge liang is very smart

[@AquaticIdealist]

Kongming's debating ability is divine. Who dares face a war of words with him?

[@ElBandito]

Socrates would have. :D

[@TheArtofUTube]

Sun Jian, Sun Ce, and Sun Quan disliked this video.

[@hamiditan2984]

Don't forget... zhou you too.. 😁

[@guanonline]

@@hamiditan2984 that's why there are 4 dislikes haha

[@hamiditan2984]

Hahaha... lol... yess... 4 dislike..

[@davietran3607]

And those Civil Mandarins , too.

[@brianifitness3656]

El o el :)

[@tylerdurden69420]

4:17 Looks like Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philly

[@supermagmorter]

We need more people like Zhuge Liang in the Government to fight for the people

[@giantrobots1122]

what I love most is how ZZ is correct about Liu Bei's situation, yet ZL turns everything around and ends up the victor in the debate.

[@cdswalkthrough]

Zhuge Liang debate Zhang Zhao about Guan Zhong and Yue Yi in both version the 2010 version only hold about 4 while the old version hold great number of debate while the words are more than the 2010 version

[@midz111]

Would it be possible for you to upload the battle of Yi Ling and the battle of Bai Ma castle if there is?

[@Bazerald777]

And they said sticks may break your bones but words don't.

[@theuglykwan]

@giantrobots1122 It is a fictional event to make us like ZL and marvel at his wit. All those arguments were fed to him to knock down. When pushed for a strategy to repel Cao Cao, ZL did not directly answer. In a real debate the opponent would have pressed on that. Nevertheless it is entertaining to watch/read.

[@cdswalkthrough]

dude the battle in old version is less dramatic while it had serious words but the word in 2010 in less serious

[@jaerirob644]

LOL 易中天 Didn't he literally vanish from TV after his lectures on the Three Kingdoms (Please correct me if I'm wrong)? I thought he was so popular that he was going to do the Water Margin (i.e. Outlaws of the Marsh) and Journey to the West if enough fans requested...

[@BlushGush]

Zhu Ge Liang: like a BOSS.

[@chenjinguo]

Zhang Zhao did the best job here. But....🤣🤣🤣🤣. When Zhuge Liang strike back and thats it...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍.

[@IAMBEOWLF]

Looks like the intro to a sitcom haha

[@svlina]

@mentalanime 4:56 Zhuge liang was thinking ,his character is smart as the politician. In this scene he let the others reaction then he will reactive to them.

[@ppshchik]

Audience needs a deep knowledge in Chinese history in order to understand the debate. Such as the allusions of Guan Zhong, Yue Yi, Gaozu, Xian Yu, Han Xin etc.

[@giantrobots1122]

@neocomp92 I know very little about chinese history, but wasn't the Jin united empire very unsuccessful overall?

[@Pinkbattlewolf]

Thats not his "master", but his "lord". A mistake in translation

[@chinchang5117]

Isn't master the same as lord? I think u r one of the politicians who like to play around with words

[@zhouwu]

And here I thought modern job interviews were tough. This Zhuge Kongming sure went through a grueling trial by fire, with his name completely slandered and ridiculed by his rivals, who were keen to depreciate and to discredit him by all means necessary. The main attack is a very one sided presentation of his seemingly woeful career as the chief ministry advisor of his lord, Liu Bei. Let's see how he fights back in the next scene.

[@ma70er]

This was just training for Wang Lang

[@Gundamseedsucks]

That didn't happen Historically

[@y34r]

Kong ming is overrated! Guo Jia is much better ,if he lived long enough to help cao cao southern's campaign Wei would surely merge the country

[@jaerirob644]

I think it might be because he got too defensive when people started to criticise his lectures. I remember once on a TV interview when someone said that his analysis of the Three Kingdoms weren't perfect, he responded with "Well, not even God is perfect, because otherwise there wouldn't be a snake in the Garden of Eden." lol...

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

Listening to this is like Chinese Beavis and Butt-Head.

[@EmperorChiCheung]

I'm female.

[@Killerkid282]

he can even killed Wang Lang indirectly wit his debates LOL!

[@EmperorChiCheung]

Lu Su is so cute...

[@5H4K490]

@y34r that dsnt make zhuge liang overrated, yes with guo jia cao cao wouldnt have constantly lost to zhuge liang but remember this cao cao had half of china at that point liu bei had xin ye then jing and yi even though shu was vastly outnumbered he brought the fight to wei and almost won, i think he and guo jia were equal though they never got to match up but both are better than sima yi i think he was kept on the defense by zhuge liang with the larger state on his side

[@darrengarcha3137]

Why they all making weird noises lll

[@emperor68188]

@everlastbronx You can't really judge people from history with our own values. Murders and massacres are of course bad, but they were REALLY common until fairly recently and people did it for all sorts of reasons, and were sometimes even acceptable. Was Cao Cao bad? Yes. But compared with people of his time, he wasn't THAT bad.

[@lilmurfer]

@everlastbronx at least Wei greatly aided in the unification of China unlike Shu. The ends always justifies the means.

[@arpitakodagu9854]

Jin unified China under Sima Yan - only to implode a generation later.

[@Baseballschaap]

you're right, but in that case you can't really say ANY history is accurate... nowadays we're... more... tolerant to the "other side of the story" but things still get censored/erased/forbidden... and even our own oppinions will filter whatever we see, (examples applenty in history) into accordance with that oppinion

[@Baseballschaap]

practice?

[@sfblackevo]

諸葛亮真是屌阿

[@2auhsoj2]

Zhuge Liang will

[@mentalanime]

4:56 don't get zhuge liang pissed

[@maimai1311]

don't know. his analysis not accurate?or vanish because too accurate that people cannot accept the fact?

[@delpiero07]

trash talking at it's birth

[@maimai1311]

this is friction, not actual history...

[@danpt2000]

Are you a homosexual?

[@Observer29830]

I prefer the 2010 version. At least the visuals there do not make my eyes bleed most of the time. The quality of cinematography in this piece is... atrocious. This movie was made in 1994, yet the imagery looks like early 1950s. And cameras are still carried by hands, from how it seems to shake. Say what you might about the 2010 version being 'dumbed down,' visuals are important in the movie. If I wanted authenticity, I'd read the book.