Throne and Liberty - Are You Following the Wrong Build? Find Out Now! - Damage Calculator

[@psy4durezo]

As many people said, you don t take into account the atk speed, the CDR, the mana pool and mana regen. All those impact Xbow/Dagger really heavily in PvE.

[@STFNmoto]

correctly, the video needs improvmenet, i'm subscribing for that

[@Aragon-]

Yes correct. It does not account for attack speed. In general you take what attack speed you can get without losing out on damage specific stats. But sure there is a line somewhere and I personally am still figuring that out.

[@Kaviarianagrande]

people who aim for 4 phantom wolf as they think 30% off hand procc is 30% up in off hand procc then acts on youtube like they know. KZbin is full of these know it all-content creators who doesnt know how to apply their false item knowledge then passes it on to a broad public. Imagine if tnl had creators like KarQ from the overwatchl. Couldnt imagine a less questionmarky world

[@worgtaff]

Thank you so much for this video, as a xbow/dagger enjoyer its been so confusing to figure out what set to go for without actually owning all of the pieces for testing. (I am rocking the wolf 4 set rn, ill be shooting for imperator and death pieces now :))

[@nagastrike]

To everyone saying theyre only building pve or pvp... you can have multiple builds. If you follow a PvP gear build, you can still have 3 pages of different stats skills and specializations. I have a PvE, a small scale PvP, and a large scale PvP.

[@johnyy_7579]

for skills yeah, but gear is too expensive to build separately

[@ibrahimelmhadri6576]

It depend. ​@@johnyy_7579

[@HafidLazuardi-sy8ft]

this what crossbow/dagger plays looks like

[@ifeawosika966]

Balanced. Dmg stacking on dmg

[@OnlyBuenoBars]

Evasion is for the squishier playstyle. The high DPS builds. From my experience.

[@ajjames1960]

i did 70 dex and 40+ wisdom. its really the dps build the problem is u are squishy because u dont have melee defense and ranged defense which should also be take into account because if u go solo and mobs hit you u die instantly unless u have a group then yeah dex and wisdom is good i think but if a solo type i guess dex and a little bit str is kinda goto

[@rasser80]

Detonation mark might also stack 2 times if you trigger a off hand attack when you use the skill, dont happen often at lowere lvl, but often with good gear.

[@Aragon-]

That's why it is in the calculation, because of the chance to trigger twice dependant on your offhand activation chance

[@Otherhats]

16:30 Yeah, I am one of the last of my guild to still be rocking full traited blues for pvp. But slowly and surely, I'm getting my ideal purple pieces traited.

[@deleth]

Hello, great job dude. Let me point 2 little errors i see on the average dmg formula. -1st damage bonus is added after heavy attack happend, so you don't need to multiplay those 2. i know seems weird, and the number displayed ad the x2 as the last thing to happend. but make the test you gonna see that the damage bonus is added only 1 time despite the x2. so yeah another reason the dmg bonus is not so great. -2nd the detonation mark, the explosion doesn't depend on the off-hand activation, as long as the mark enter. it will explode for 40% of the damage and it says it's 100%(maybe can be lower with weaken resistence). What DO depend on the off-hand activation is the mark stacking 2 times and this will result on a explosion doing double damage. so you gonna need to split that part on 2, 1 depending on just the mark and a second that should be as you have it right now.

[@Aragon-]

- 1, thank you for that correction. I assumed that it does add to each hit, even if it's a heavy attack -2, this calculation is based on the chance to get the off-hand activation which gives that +40% additional damage, up to then 80%. You don't need to account for the first 40% as you said, that's there regardless

[@Proper_crim]

I went with a large scale pvp build and have yet to do large scale pvp. Dungeon runs are smooth but I don't do near enough single target damage to world bosses.

[@Sutex0sofar]

World bosses are a lagfest with a particpation award.

[@michaelc1839]

​@Sutex0sofar this... I do my entire rotation and by the time I'm finished pushing buttons my character is performing his first skill of the rotation and then he stops.

[@michaelc1839]

Might land a single hit.

[@Sutex0sofar]

@@michaelc1839 I started using my Guardian Shade as she hits the boss :)

[@wilazn]

Weird I don't lag during world boss

[@imisa7556]

Looks viable for pve, sadly tough for us players that can only rely on 1 build that we can use for both pve and pvp , anyway good work

[@imisa7556]

What i ment here is we are poor and cant afford to have 2 builds at the moment hahahha and its sad

[@Aragon-]

yeah if your broke, I'd focus on being more effective in pve and get stuff to sell or use. You can use max traited blues very effectively for pvp as a budget option

[@3in24]

makes no sense going pve, I'm full pvp glass cannon bow dagger and I can solo any of my lvl50 contracts with ease. But because I focused PvP, i have juciers to do my pve contracts with. Ya dig?

[@imweqzy4090]

@@imisa7556 I mean you really can have pve pvp build almost all builds have 80% same items and traits for pvp and pve. I just switch 3 items out and reset points and pve doesnt need fully traited defensive gear

[@imisa7556]

​@@imweqzy4090ohh just get the set effect for pve damage, i get it thanks this makes sense

[@maxwellwhite5762]

Amazing video, thank you so much for all the effort you put into this!

[@Aragon-]

Cheers :)

[@brunobonfatti2835]

Nice video Aragon. Interesting to see people complain and calling you noob. Probably they have a better dmg formula or dmg output to affirm that lol. I would like to hear from them and see how is the argument. Not like telling two words lol. They forgot the dmg you re doing with the gear and weaponyou current hav. You can find people fully trait playing since Korea doing slightly better dmg or even less than him.

[@mmoplayah2874]

I main GS/Dag, building crossbow/dag now because i heard GS/Dag will be having hard time on clearing higher tier dungeons especially the real T2 dungeons. I will be just building the cheapest build that could output decent DPS to clear dungeons and get gears for pvp.

[@iCHRIS-x]

Nah , for tier 2 dungeon gs/dag is good enough , the problrm is when it comes to Challenge dungeons, since these are farmable ppl like to speed run and only party up with the highest damage combos

[@andrewheavenridge7955]

If you really wanna do more damage then reroll to bow/staff. I have both bow/staff and gs/dagger

[@zkao6375]

Field General set buffs melee heavy attack chance but crossbow/dagger is very ranged damage loaded. A solid chunk of your damage comes from mortal mark + quick fire (although thunderclouds does a lot too). Did you take that into account when doing calculations for optimal damage output for the weapon?

[@Aragon-]

For these examples I took the average of both values. That would be an assumption of a 50/50 split of your damage from crossbow and dagger. Detonation marks effect is not actually affected by heavy attack, since it just accumulates damage from all the other sources. I would love to be able to access combat logs from this game and we'd be able to see the exact split. I would be more inclined to think we get more total damage from the dagger in burst rotations due to thunderclad bombings being our main big source.

[@omagro8267]

Thundercloud is actually where you get the most consistent and easily obtained damage, you wont always be able to get a full rotation with mortal mark. You could be cc, etc. In turn thundercloud just needs 20 stacks and one button press for the potential to hit 1-4 times and it has a short cool down if you hit it at 20 stacks so its up faster than MM. Cleaving moon also gives you stacks and its part of the rotation either before or after the bomb.

[@ibrahimsarcaoglu2738]

@@omagro8267 İts actually not working that way. Crossbow is way better than thundercloud. You can miss tundercloud . You can hit miss and miss and all your damage is gone. But with crosbow you re actually dealing more damage and you re safer most of the time. Because you keep your distance from melee users. You dont have much cc effect. When you enter melee range, you cant dodge everything. I m using thundercloud only if ı know its a score. You can test it in arena. Hit the people. Only thing you r gonna see is thundercloud deal max 2k damage. Because of all the shield.

[@omagro8267]

@ibrahimsarcaoglu2738 lets be real. The range on crossbows is less than any tanks CC, mages, or bows damage. You are not safe in either situation. Like I said, the full scorpion rotation is rare, in one v ones or in gvg.

[@ibrahimsarcaoglu2738]

@@omagro8267 scorpion is at the weakest right now . İf ı dont see class balance this week. I m gonna quit. I know what you mean. Trust me but melee users can do much at melee distance. İF you can block from a distance and use your selfless diffusion right you have a chance at range.

[@jawadbakhshi31]

Bruh thank you for your PvP videos and the builds have been getting me wins.

[@Aragon-]

Good to hear :)

[@boycold4902]

The only correct build for pve is the 4 piece phantom set. Offhand attack is everything for xbow/dag.

[@RazorRoses]

heavy attack is meele only on empreror set bro u got xbow

[@DnielR]

All weapons utilize heavy attack, even wand while healing allies

[@ffsheidsupreme3908]

Hey Aragon amazing video. So would you say that the death set do more damage then the wolf set ?

[@Aragon-]

yes, correct

[@chris53156]

Can you please do a greatsword dagger one and what we need for pve and pvp ??

[@samer3li844]

yes please

[@serwizzart]

please dont get confused with pve and pvp, you always go for pvp build and only change your skill set according to your activity.

[@mircoveitengruber]

would be awesome

[@drshepherd6567]

ok but you compare BiS max-gear sets with each other and the only difference is max 10% ? Is that really worth it. I know min max people will cry out now but seriously, will this change anything in open PvE or any dungeon? I dont think so. But its nice that we finally have a gear compare site.

[@sverre4765]

Ive been following ur builds since the beginning and i love ur theorycrafting mate. Recently swapped the 50 str to divide it amongst perc /wisdom since all other guides invest in that instead. Still not 100% convinced though, but i do struggle with mana. How do u deal with that? Bursting with a depletion of mana results in an overall dpsloss, doesnt it?

[@Aragon-]

I use mana exchange whenever possible, plus mana potion, and make sure to stand in the healers circle, that can give mana too. Otherwise I have milk for out of combat to fully refill mana

[@hmsart]

Can you make a video long bow x daggers ?.. ❤

[@suat9460]

Hello thanks for the calculations and different set infos, i am big on pvp and thought going wolf would be better so i had gotten the pants and chest and recently dropped a shadow grip with a useful trait is it worth it to do 2 wolf 2 death sets for a mostly pvp player or should i try to slowly move towards 2 death 2 field general anyways, extra info my weapons, rings, bracelet and neck is purple and fully traited rest are blues traited for pvp from one of your earlier videos

[@Aragon-]

Get 2 field general and 2 death set ideally

[@radekpoboril374]

Hi man really like your videos .. its possible that you make another builds? like bow/xbow? or daggers and xbow is jsut meta and you focus on it :-) thanks

[@Aragon-]

I will consider it

[@yslultd4939]

Can you add ATK Speed? I think this gets really underestimated how much this affects for example Bow & xbow users.

[@Aragon-]

I am working on that

[@raunchygandalf6900]

@@yslultd4939 lol me as xbow/bow user lol

[@CupapiMunyanyo123]

bro u want that 30% cdr in pve so you can do 3 bombing inside deto mark

[@HD-tb1yl]

Offft i just traited out and got my wolf chest and pants to lvl 9. Was honestly planning on eventually running the 4 set for the offhand chance. Guess that was a mistake

[@KOONOS]

he is mistaken on this video he said %100 activiation rate from selfless disccusn skill but that not the case that skill makes %100 off hand double attack chance not activation chance.

[@Nyoubi91]

You can still miss in pve so you need a bit hit chance I suppose. also I was wondering if with 30 wisdom you have enough mana regen to sustain real pve fight ? (so everything outside infinity)

[@og2or0]

Thank you for the guides. Whats the recommended mana regen for pve?

[@Aragon-]

I do okay currently without any special stacking of mana. just got to use mana exchange none stop and ideally have a healer

[@Ecool27]

How are people killing boss in under 30 seconds

[@siegfriedmjolnir]

Hey Aragon! Just reached out `cause the imperator set only gives heavy attacks to melee attacks, and your main skills are ranged. You are losing effectivity with this set, and `cause of that your sheet isn`t accurate.

[@Aragon-]

In pve with the rotation I use, at least 50% of the damage you deal is from melee attacks. I done the calculations with that in mind

[@siegfriedmjolnir]

@@Aragon- ok, cool! looking forward to see you build another classes, mate. Good to have you in this game, not only in Neverwinter!

[@l104lsuperfeeds7]

0:46 now i know 600 is six thousand , new thing to learn every day

[@Aragon-]

Oops xD

[@BenAt_it]

There are 2 builds for pve dps cross bow and daggers and staff long bow/wand that’s it everything else sucks. Crossbow and daggers are so far ahead of everything else that it makes the game not fun at all if you don’t use them😞

[@burakcil3429]

thanks much for ur work. could u please add defance, damage reduction and block values etc for in depth pvp tests

[@Aragon-]

I need to still figure out the exact formula for defense, and then I can, yes

[@burakcil3429]

@@Aragon- Defence formula: Defense = ((Defense) / (Defense + 2500)) * 100% found this on a doc cant put link here i guess. its like percentage damage reduction

[@Aragon-]

Thank you

[@burakcil3429]

@@Aragon- looking forward to ur next update

[@cool_me5331]

Could you Do a staff bow max damage build. I have An idea but I’d like to see your opinion.

[@drtrip980]

Why can’t I capture a boonstone or riftstone whats that fucking material I need to capture it

[@viliamlaskody2038]

This is what Im doing today too. Looking and comparing gears and that video is what I need for today. Since Im watching your videos Im jumping from 1.2k to 2.5k 🙏Thank you.

[@Aragon-]

good to hear :) hope it helps out

[@mgvikings1484]

Sorry if I am naive..but "Hit Chance", is this only relevant in PvP ? How can I know if PvE encounters, like bosses have any Evasion, is there any data ? I just want to know if Hit chance is actually of any use in PvE, or rather useless.

[@Lt.Dans_Legs-freesp3Ak]

Well if you're not missing in PvE, and don't care about PvP, you have enough hit chance 😂 Definitely wouldnt stack it

[@Aragon-]

There is no specific data. Auto attacks can miss PvE enemies but not skills. In general you don't need any hit chance for PvE. There are probably some exceptions, mobs which can buff themselves etc, and yes I would love to know the details on their defensive stats too

[@Just0neGamer]

Thanks its good!

[@OnlyBuenoBars]

But I guess if you have it so fkin high vs The others build. Its a counter. But you sacrifice alot for it.

[@Okami400]

For crossbow, do you if mother nature with gale stacks with gale specialization on other skills? Like will my attack get 2 stacks of gale instead of one? or does it not stack and taking gale on mother nature isnt worth it?

[@Aragon-]

Yes, you can get 2 gale stacks per hit with mother nature's and the skill spec on specific skills like quick fire and annihilation barrage. It is only worth it for killing groups of enemies that are very close to each other.

[@ZootedInc]

Didnt you make a guide promoting 4pc Phantom Wolf

[@ToNieOnPL]

I saw build in comment 300-400 hit chance meand null DMG

[@mahmoudhamza802]

it's very hard to understand what you wanna give

[@mylesmiller5979]

dagger builds never run endurance even in end game right?

[@Aragon-]

Yes, cause of the passive that can give 690 evasion

[@CS-amegmondo]

Can you show please difference with normal mark and with mortal mark?

[@yamackoman3608]

Is this damage calculator also viable for other builds like GS/Dagger, i feel like i can still understand what affects my DPS most from calculator am i right.

[@Aragon-]

yes, it should work for all damage classes

[@dreamchaser-kg6bx]

Yo my question is why the effect of detonation mark still at 3 second during the rotation what is the reason ?

[@Aragon-]

selfless diffusion can make it 6s, even though it shows 3s

[@lukecc3502]

@aragon whats your opinion about tnl devs letting their servers get monopolised instead of making alliances only apply at siege wars that way the rest of pvp and conflict would not be a zerg fest

[@Aragon-]

my server is doing alright so far. There are enough divided guilds to challenge the top guys. The power shifts a fair amount. But yeah, I can see it as a pretty bad issue when one alliance just dominates everything

New rotation video for single target coming out? 👀

[@MrPinballWizzard]

I assume many of y'all danger crosbow fanatics figured out dats ain't the strongest build during the siege aye? XD WELCOME TO THE RICE FIELDS XD

[@justinfcase]

How did it take you to get all the gear and weapons? I’ve been farming for those daggers and only got one pair to drop.

[@Aragon-]

how long did it take? Since I started playing. I'm fully free to play and only spend about an hour or two per day playing this game and this is where I'm at.

[@justinfcase]

Yes sorry how long. So it sounds like it was just all RNGesus when you got the drops for the weapons.

[@lemonplays-gaming]

You can craft the weapons.

[@justinfcase]

@@lemonplays-gaming Right, but you have to buy the lithographs.

[@OLONOODLE]

@@justinfcase no you craft weapons with dimensional essence: salvation.

[@milamaxwell1731]

I think you need 70 perception 50 str if u wanted to run 2 gear set pices cus you're hit% will be to low. I had to switch gears for pvp just because my hit was 650 it was to low to deal damage and now its over 1000 thanks to getting juonbo boss box last night and with shadow pants with hit and perception i cant hit people now

[@Aragon-]

should be fine with 60 perc. my "PvP Death + Imp Str" build has 1,012 ranged hit chance.

[@milamaxwell1731]

@Aragon- i checked out the build and you still have over 1k hit just barely 1k so yea you are correct

[@nobody5648]

can fatal stigma apllied twice with off hand ?

[@Aragon-]

Yup yup

[@Tha_Monsta88]

can you do a play by play on how or where you're plugging the numbers in. not sure if "bonus damage" is from your character stats over which mine is 30. but then the skill? what if its multiple skills. over thinking it a bit ..

[@Aragon-]

bonus damage is yes, what it shows on your sheet and then also what it shows on your skill.

[@Tha_Monsta88]

@Aragon- could you give me an example of a skill bonus damage # so im plugging in the right numbers here. Just trying to be accurate. Im a visual learner.

[@Aragon-]

Correction, the "bonus damage" on the skill is actually added to the min and max base damage. So for example a skill will say like 140% + 25. You add that 25 to the min and max total, to find the average damage of that skill

[@Tha_Monsta88]

@@Aragon- ok i will try this and see what numbers I get back.

[@yesbop7250]

Is there a difference in rotation or just build tweaks?

[@Aragon-]

Slight difference. Using shadow strike to trigger weak point, to gain the 21% crit damage. Use the specialization on weak point

[@yesbop7250]

@Aragon- thanks for the fast response. When tier 2 gear comes out will there be other sets worth running for the raw stats over the shadow and field general? I assume weapons will be a must but armor 😕

[@DR-nh2kh]

are ypu able to do build for gs and daggers

[@cesarbrad286]

If you want to play the game you go melee evasion... En eu serverd if you dont do that your are are just free kp

[@Aragon-]

free kp to greatswords, yeah xD

[@OnlyBuenoBars]

Its a roll.

[@lisannevaniterson]

a whole lot of builds.... all crosbow and dagger -_-

[@Warzone77777]

can you do it for sns /gs?

[@kingkizer23]

is this applicable for staff dagger? or staff wand users?

[@Aragon-]

yes, just not the off-hand stuff, leave that at 0

[@kingkizer23]

@@Aragon-@Aragon -thanks. Do you think it's still better to use Death+imperator than the Death+wolf set in the Gate of Infinity(only) as a staff and wand user? thanks!

[@shantiboomj]

max 2 weeks lifespan left in this

[@ki1631]

and 2 monthly salarys

[@MrFreemium]

can you share the rotation?

[@Aragon-]

this is my older rotation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6DIm4R4nrSpd8k I switched it up slightly to gain the 21% crit damage from weak point, when using it's spec with shadow strike. As you may see in my recent Gate of Infinity upload: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWnKlYJqaLJ0hac

[@pinie111]

At 11:30 you are saying that the '+X' value us bonus damage but it's not. It's the value that gets added to your base damage before going into the multiplier. So 150% +26 is "your base dmge +26" multiplied by 1.5. Bonus damage gets added at the end and it's just a flat amount per hit.

[@Aragon-]

Thanks for the correction.

[@lemonplays-gaming]

So bosses in pve have no evasion?

[@Aragon-]

none that I am aware of for your skills. They can however make your basic attacks miss for some reason.

[@choatus]

@@Aragon- That's why making damage calculators like this without actually knowing what is happening behind the scenes is pretty much useless. A lot of work done on your part that could be all for naught. To be clear I'm not hating on you mate. @Aragon

[@Aragon-]

We know for sure in for example gate of infinity, the bosses do not have evasion, you never miss. I've asked around a lot of anyone knows the PvE enemies stats, and nobody knows apparently. So I can only assume from what I can see. Either way the math checks out to compare what gear to use.

[@choatus]

@@Aragon- In theory yes,, but from my 45 years of gaming(lots of MMO's) you can never really be sure until the Dev's give access, or people do years of back end analysis. There are always spanners to be thrown into the works in these types of games.

[@ronniekoomba922]

Imagine putting this much effort into something in real life lol. I always look at this stuff and think about how much time and mental power we waste daily.

[@Aragon-]

Ahahaha xD Some people make a living from it, and others have fun getting obsessed with studying new games

[@kelisestephenson114]

Imagine of you instead of doing something constructive instead of going out your way to write this garbage.

[@muhayus9554]

I see

[@alexanderchristian2711]

How about death+wolf set for pve?

[@Aragon-]

it is pretty much the same comparison as I showed with he pvp setups. Not much changes. It's just not as good as the heavy attack from imperator, specifically for your thunderclad bombings and stigma

[@alexanderchristian2711]

@ my build right now is like on the maxroll pve build (death+wolf). So damage output it’s not good enough?

[@Aragon-]

the 18 bonus damage is not worth it compared to +150 heavy attack. Correct. if you for example do 50 hits in your rotation, that is 18 x 50 = 900 extra damage from the set bonus. If I deal 200k damage in my rotation, that's 0.45% damage gained Compared to +150 Heavy attack which can give about a 5.85% damage increase (going from 300 to 500) yes if that's just for melee damage and your melee is like only half of your damage, then it is still a 5.85% / 2 = 2.925% overall damage gain. Better than the wolf 2/4 set.

[@Aragon-]

oh be aware, the benefit of bonus damage does get a lot better in PvP, that's where it can be useful. You won't be doing 200k rotations there xD The bonus damage will help to simply add to each of your hits.

[@alexanderchristian2711]

@ so my build right now is better on pvp? But my traits already for pve:’)

[@chikoithemaid]

If you use strength in pve build as dps - you're noob. These 100 heavy attack chance is not worth + in your builds you have low wisdom, so you don't solve the problem with mana + low attack speed means you cast skills much slower. These builds maybe are okay for infinity gate, but not for pve overall

[@ololo-w2z]

I agree. seeing this man promoting 50 streght for PVE DPS is so stupid. Looks like he dont really play

[@notraname]

​@@ololo-w2z what if I'm a tank?, rn I'm running 60 strength 40 dex 35 wisdowm

[@brunobonfatti2835]

Really? Do you have a better formula? Do you think 15 extra point in wisdom will save your mana regen? Did u test? What will be the %increase in mana regen? What will the decrease in dmg? The resulted sustain dmg?

[@chikoithemaid]

@@brunobonfatti2835 Yes, I have better formula, different build ofc and its not about "15 extra point in wisdom", its about build the gear that don't have that many flaws like in the video, where you consider all the stats and not focus only on heavy attack etc.

[@GetGoodSweetie]

@@brunobonfatti2835I’ve been building endurance for staff bow and the wraith that I saw doing the same goes from strength because helps your endurance and dexterity ain’t really important for that because you don’t need the extra evasion

[@yakida999]

combo?

[@Aragon-]

to calculate the average damage of your total combo, it can get very complex with the specifics, but you can usually make some generalizations. For example I could say, my average hit on crossbow and dagger is 500% and then using that input the stats I will have for the combo, and then be able to compare different setups within those parameters. Also you may note what I did with heavy attack, I got the average between my melee and ranged. That is assuming a 50/50 split of damage from dagger and crossbow. If say it was a 70/30 split, you would need to equate for that.

[@Turican76]

95% ALREADY LEFT THE GAME

[@robertc.5558]

@@Turican76 STOP CRYING

[@pistonhead3815]

Who even builds for PvE? xD

[@lamp6381]

The people who don’t play PvP! xD

[@jinxg0d]

me😅 im having a blast with the pve😂

[@brettlewis2900]

Surprisingly even with full pve builds you can do very well in gvt stuff. Dpending on the class of course..

[@jamesa6693]

Same people that enjoy exploring and grinding the game.

[@MasterZedX]

Uh...my pve build is getting most attention and I'm ranked pvper