Through Thick and Thin: Backing Postecoglou

[@davemark6380]

Great work, most rational Spurs podcast out there. It’s clear we’re in a rebuild after years of neglect with all the growing pains that causes. We need to see this through with the Manager keep up the good work !!

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@davemark6380 thanks Dave, it's time to give a manager the time to implement their ideas and support them on their journey. COYS

[@lemilemi5385]

Followed Hamish and the Huddle religiously while Ange was at Celtic, best fans in the world

[@OhSoSpurs]

They are a fantastic club

[@mattpowell301]

Same here. Loved Celtic and Hamish’s content alike

[@sidenote7555]

Thank fukn christ we have a channel with some logic!!!! Great work!!

[@OhSoSpurs]

Appreciate the support 💪

[@alfredvanravenswaay1260]

So true - I just unsubscribed for The Boy Hotspur the channel where misery lives.

[@jaymac6831]

Great to see that you guys can see the bigger picture and still support the team and manager during the most important time, a bad spell...keep the faith...COYS.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks for the support Jay 🤍💙

[@seanmckenna4688]

Thank you for the balanced opinions guys. Much appreciated!

[@desmondjones4192]

Thank you for your balanced perspective. Many Spurs KZbinrs tend to lean on negativity to boost their profiles, as it's often easier to criticize than to acknowledge the facts you've highlighted to some extent. Let's be honest-what have we truly achieved over the past X years? Personally, I'd much rather focus on the positives and enjoy watching my team play attractive, front-foot football (which is the essence of Tottenham) than dwell on what we've done in the past

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@desmondjones4192 thanks Desmond, great to have you tune in as part of the OSS squad

[@peteworthy8322]

Nobody is stopping you from focusing on the positives. Why are you trying to denegrate, and silence those who wish to expose, and debate the downsides?

[@JJJ-bs8sm]

​@@peteworthy8322because they are panicked school boy bed wetters. They apply no logic to their discussions. They are just emotional rants. No one is panicking in the club from players to coaches to managers and owners. If the negative rants were rational, no one has complaints. 90% are not.

[@southlondonmonkey]

I follow you on X, you're brilliant and an absolute breath of fresh air in an online world of click bait, lack of context and nuance, fake narratives, lazy analysis and cheap boring digs at Spurs, keep it up!

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@southlondonmonkey Thanks for the message 😊 great to have you with us on KZbin too! Looking forward to speaking to you more on here and discussing your questions on the show. COYS

[@philcornwell5104]

I’m desperate for Ange to succeed, he could do with some luck with injuries and a few quid well spent in January. The media is so biased, if we have our first team on the pitch we can and will beat anyone 🤷‍♂️

[@OhSoSpurs]

Let's hope he's given a leg up in January and able to buy a couple of players

[@seianmulholland6113]

Thanks for the show. Pretty much now only watch you guys and Ally Gold, religiously. It's getting harder to stomach the other Spurs Pods. Even the ones that weren't feral are swaying that way under cover of being "balanced". Sadly, few channels are about the actual football. They're mostly guided by their emotionality around immediate wins and losses, as if Spurs losing is a personal slight against themselves. They're also notoriously black and white in their thinking with little space for nuance or context, and thus vent their emotions, declaring they gave Ange a go but now they're "Ange Out" - as if anyone cares about their personal decision on the manager's longevity or termination. Okay, off my soapbox. Just keep doing what you're doing! Enjoyed Hamish. COYS

[@glennmaillard9076]

Agree 100%.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Appreciate the kind words and for being a subscriber our friend. COYS

[@perdani82]

Again, thanks for balanced and constructive commentary. While I have sympathy for those less patient, it is obvious for me that the players are running on fumes at the moment. To some degree it is also luck with respect to who is injured, ill or suspended (although some argue that is also down to Ange since training sessions are supposedly intense). If the injuries had been less concentrated to certain areas (and less long-term), we might have been able to cope a bit better.

[@alfredvanravenswaay1260]

Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou

[@OhSoSpurs]

No, thank you for being a subscriber and supporting the show 😉🤍💙

[@GraemePotts]

From Aussie: GREAT to have Hamish on your show ⚽️👍

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@GraemePotts Thanks Graeme! He's a top guest

[@AshleyDickson-bb2ym]

"None of the stats match the narrative but the narrative is relentless" wow excellent observation. The number of times i have heard him misquoted or talked down by arrogant pundits, including Hoddle..

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@AshleyDickson-bb2ym Yep. Seems to be the English pundits with little knowledge of the football world outside of England

[@Ivilus]

The fallacy of Ange's training style being responsible for all our injures is so crazy, yet generally just accepted on face value from so many people...we've just been very unlucky.

[@franzreyes6185]

The intro: the calm against the storm 😇 Yes we are 😎🫶

[@OhSoSpurs]

Focused on the end goal not the short moment in time

[@lennyviall]

Loved that Gentlemen been a Spurs and Celtic supporter from Oz since the Ozzie Ricky Waddle Hoddle days Had a Celtic top at training since a kid with my Mothers Scottish heritage love Hamish and your views today on Ange I used to face up to him as wide right player in his playing days always a mongrel in the nicest of mongrel terms maybe not at times 😊 loving your insight and calmness through such a difficult era of the club bless ya boys much respect 🙏 Up the Spurs!

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks for the comment Lenny, great history. Did I understand that right you played against Ange as a player?

[@lennyviall]

@ yes mate we battled a few times you may remember a interview he had with Optus I think and he mentioned the time of Australian football with Puskas here he mentioned certain teams who played the beautiful game with one he mentioned our little old put together club from of course immigrants from Malta the mighty Parramatta Melita Eagles with a fantastic Argentinian Manager Raul Blanco who had us playing the game the Spurs way front foot football WITH tough defenders and a creative midfield great times for the game here in Oz keep up the great shows Jim and the crew love it 🙏

[@OhSoSpurs]

@lennyviall Love it Lenny, fancy coming on the show for 5 minutes or so at some point to chat about that time?

[@kevinferguson530]

Listening to Hamish there are two glaring similarities between Ange at Celtic and Spurs. That is results could have been completely different if Celtic had converted their chances, specifically in the CL campaign. You can see this in Spurs where they should be 2-3 goals up and the game dead and buried. Then the team tires and we lose 1-0. This then becomes a mental game, Spurs are dominanting possession but losing the match. All of s sudden every game is scrutinised, with pundits and some fans focussing on the negatives. As Hamish said Ange is up for it to prove his doubters wrong if he is given the chance and backing in the January window. The squad needs more depth to cover key positions when players are injured or suspended.

[@denniszenearl4691]

Keep up the good work lads

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks, appreciate the support 💙🤍

[@samuelsheppardmusic]

Hamish! What a guy.

[@enricobrik3074]

And thanks guys - great show. Really enjoyed Hamish’s insights

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks 😊 enjoyed meeting Hamish

[@robert7489]

Great to see Hamish...

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@robert7489 top guest and journalist

[@johnshimizu]

Great to see Hamish on.

[@stagaz]

refreshing content COYS

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks 😊

[@gregrobinson2394]

I thought they played well enough to win against a Chelsea team who has been playing better and has little injuries. Shame the two silly penalties were the difference. Like Hamish comments. Ange has a lot of belief in the way he does things. If he reaches the point where he doesn't think he can succeed he will leave of his own accord. We are not at that point. I think the fact that he is Australian is a reason for a lot of the hate.

[@OhSoSpurs]

A certain group of people have been determined to see him fail since he started. It's a shame as it makes his job more difficult. Agree we could have won that game as much as we lost. Shame Onwards and upwards. COYS

[@Rhysrig07]

It’s a passport bias. Let’s be honest. If his name was the same but he coached in lower Europe and had an accent that wasn’t Australian it would be different

[@JJJ-bs8sm]

"There is something you should understand about the way I work. When you need me but do not want me, then I must stay. When you want me but no longer need me, then I have to go. It's rather sad, really, but there it is" Ange Postecoglou Mcphee Spurs fans need to be careful what they wish for. He will leave this club with fans begging for more titles and trophies than he achieved for Spurs.

[@OhSoSpurs]

I fear him walking away more than I do him being sacked

[@JJJ-bs8sm]

​@@OhSoSpursthe only trigger for Ange leaving would be if Levy doesn't spend what he needs to. So far, that doesn't appear to be the case. They are approaching this rebuild with plenty of discipline and single mindedness. I don't think Ange and Levy are over emotional and care what the marginal fans think. They will stick to the process. I fully expect him to fulfil his contract.

[@enricobrik3074]

We do really need a cheaper Rodri/Callum McGregor style pivot and leader at No 6. Very important to find the right player and move on one of Bissouma/Bentancur.

[@OhSoSpurs]

We do! Most important player for January

[@glennmaillard9076]

Don’t know if McGregor is good enough be a 6 for Spurs, but he’s one hell of a player. If Ange thinks he’s good enough, I’d love to see him at Spurs. True leader. Prising him from Celtic would be hard.

[@enricobrik3074]

@ no I agree I was giving McGregor as an example of style of player and leader. He’s getting on a bit, too

[@todds4320]

Ange's biggest problem was the 8-2 start which - while it cleared the stadium of toxicity from the Conte era - managed to make the "desperate for any silverware" and "Levy/ENIC out" crowds FAIL TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS. Too many of these supporters immediately made the mental mistake that Ange had instantly turned a bloated mediocre squad - fresh off an 8th place finish - as "ready for prime time" and already a contender. This was always a 3-year process - even if Ange says "two" because Spurs also needed to jettison the dross from a bloated roster. Ange even got Levy to "eat the last year of N'Dombele's contract" This summer we purchased ONE ready-made player in Solanke (albeit expensive but long-needed hold-up striker) - and 4-5 kids for the future. Not enough additional starters to add needed depth. Add injuries and a player or two (PEM comes to mind) that wanted out because he did not want to come off the bench, and we still lack depth in many critical areas. The issue is more a combination of PERCEPTION and reality. For example, Arsenal have lost the lead and more points when leading than Spurs, but no one questions their defense. On the other hand, Ange adapted for Man City (Playing narrower and making several tweaks - there's a perception he could have done more to protect a lead. The other issue is HOW AND TO WHOM WE LOSE. How can a team that destroys the Manchester Clubs (winning 4-0 at City and 3-0 at United) and played that brilliant second half against Villa but then lost to two "then winless" teams in Palace and Ipswich [Note: Those games were 2 of 3 lost on the eve of International breaks - the third being Brighton]. ALL 6 defeats in the PL have been by a single goal. Spurs only lost points from 2 goals off corners (0-1 to Arsenal and Bournemouth). We lose 0-1 at Bournemouth playing miserably and giving up a single goal on Dragusin's awful defensive error on a corner. Yet, Arsenal (2-0) and Man City (2-1) lost at Bournemouth so maybe Bournemouth is actually tough to beat at home. But not to the negative supporters who cannot stop moaning, and don't consider Bournemouth's home form. And BTW - the 4-0 win at City was without our starting CBs and Bentancur, and that's evidence the system DOES. Unfortunately, it requires 11 men to commit and that's been a problem because if they don't it can collapse. That, and lack of depth has made us inconsistent. At least this podcast is positive, and I realize my comments are all over the place because I'm at work, but I'm glad I found this podcast because it's positive and too many others just keep asking for more of the same old circle of misery (caused by sacking a manager every 12-18 months which is the average if you back out Poch's 5-1/2 years).

[@OhSoSpurs]

Wow love this summary of the situation, well said 👏

[@MrJellybeen]

All I can think after reading the title is Ksi’s song “in the thick of it” 😂

[@OhSoSpurs]

Oh no 😂

[@whatwhat9110]

Hiya guys like the podcast and your calm takes. Just a couple of points. I back ange but we all have to be careful we don’t be dogmatic. All opinions should be subject to change if the facts change. Im in the wait till the end of the season camp. That might change if we go out of all competitions with a whimper.

[@OhSoSpurs]

I'm writing off this season as a rebuild. However if we get to mid January next season and we are making the same excuses I will have a different stance. COYS

[@Splinter1952]

Hi Guy's...good news at last. If what the Sports Media is reporting, Ange is going to be BACKED by the Board. A couple of January signings,in the same degree as PARATICI did in the 2022 season would be AWESOME. ( Kulu & Bentancur)

[@OhSoSpurs]

@Splinter1952 Agree! That's what we need, two proven players to reinforce us in January and add a spark. COYS

[@whatwhat9110]

@@OhSoSpurs That’s a more than fair opinion. I guess I’m really just sick of fans/media from both sides caring more about being right than there team/facts. Sticking with ange as an opinion is fair but also not being happy with ange for some of these performances is also fair enough.

[@paulkirk6989]

Unbelievable , ''There is none so blind as those who don't want to see'' .

[@OhSoSpurs]

Shame to hear you've lost faith in Ange Paul, although understandable as to why. Let's hope January enables us to turn a corner with some new signings. COYS

[@jacklegros6614]

Signings maybe .Quality players unlikely​@OhSoSpurs

[@sidenote7555]

There's people that see and others that don't. So fuckn what.

[@Serpsss]

People that are Ange out need to consider the alternative. What manager is going to want to join Spurs & why? We've had some big, world renowned managers, Levy has a bad reputation so established manager's seeking more glory are unlikely to join Spurs, that just leaves ones who're in it for the money.

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@Serpsss Agreed

[@jashraf255]

Nonsense - there are plenty of managers out there that will join, utd went out and got amorim - I'm not wanting a win now flashy manager, but an up coming one like the Bournemouth coach who has shown adaptability, pushing above his weight, gets the best out of his players. Players have badly regressed under Ange and it's madness using same tactics every game.

[@Serpsss]

@@jashraf255 Do you think they'd come to Spurs with Levy's reputation? The lack of success on pitch, the clear priority of other ventures over the football team, the unwillingness to invest to push the team to the next level & the repeated use of scapegoating managers to hide bad board decisions? People seem to think they can just name their dream replacement and they'll come in but that's not how it works.

[@jashraf255]

@@Serpsss it's not a dream replacement, that's why Im saying young up coming manager that wants to prove himself, and they won't be so demanding which will suit the levy framework, which by the way I want this ownership out. Results are getting worse and we can't keep going like this hoping a one dimensional manager will turn it around.

[@Serpsss]

@jashraf255 but why would they want to take the risk? If they want to get into the premier league for a couple of seasons then fine, spurs are a good choice. If they want a foothold in the premier league then spurs represents a huge risk that could set them back, especially when they look at the big names that came before them who couldn't turn things around. Ange is exactly what you describe, Nuno was too & they're the best prospect we can get at the moment; managers with a lot of self belief. More realistically though we're looking at paycheck chasers who know their performance doesn't even matter, they'll still get a nice payoff even if they fail.

[@perdani82]

It also bugs me that people try to paint Ange as tactically inept with complete disregard for the context, and in addition, complete disregard for the short-term vs. long-term benefits of being pragmatic or not. Say we need to use the youngsters in the upcoming month, is it not better to have them play the system as it "should" be, rather than something completely different? I also think that Ange is very aware he hasn't got any real leaders on the pitch, but he doesn't want to throw anyone under the bus. Probably one of the reasons he wanted to sign Conor Gallagher, for example. Anyway, enough ranting.

[@mahaishraja5449]

great discussion guys, everything old is new again , same fixture last season 2 reds , this season 2 penalties, almost biblical , swings and round abouts in the underlying data against chelsea. chelsea won chance creation, passes into final third , touches in the box , but spurs won non penalty xg and total attack contribution . in an alternative universe , statistical variance goes spurs way , care of no penalties , and better positioning and effort by foster , spurs win 3 zip . either way you could justify a 1 goal margin win to each side. let me make one or two points about tactics that could have been decisive in spurs getting a victory over chelsea and finishing top 4 , one, respect the opposition in pressing . against man c , spurs brains trust dialed down the intensity of the press and conceded more meters of field position , in order to deal with man c transition game , and it worked , and it was decisive in delivering victory. the same level of respect should have been shown to maresca and chelsea , and we would all be here talking about a spurs win. but alas no, spurs went back to sledge hammer pressing and paid the price . sometimes against quality opposition its all about slowing down the outball, not getting the turnover . the paradox of pressing against quality is that quality usually finds away of dealing with it meanwhile you have less time to react. two, despite my misgivings about spurs press, there is a bigger problem, in that spurs did get men behind the ball when chelsea were transitioning , but the organisation and situational awareness of spurs was abysmal . the best way for me to illustrate this , is use a metric i call overload creation in the final third . that is how many times a team can get space and a numerical advantage in dangerous situations in and around the 18 yard box . i dont think there are any other data analysts in the epl that use this metric and i certainly know spurs dont , because if they did , they would see what i see , and done something about it months ago. chelsea managed to create 11 overloads in and around the 18 yard box to spurs 2 , in the first half , chelsea managed 4 to spurs 1 in the second half . so a 15 to 3 margin in the game , and that tilts the variance and outcome in chelseas favour. spurs get bodies back, but they are not marking or occupying the correct spaces , and its been happening all season, its almost as if no one at spurs coaching practice defensive structures in the final third , and if they are using a zonal system , then it needs to be better organised . get somebody in that understands the details in these things , because its a shambles . ange has been using the term sloppy goals lately, well thats code for all of the above spurs show respect to the opposition in more nuanced pressing tactics , and fix the defensive overload problem , they will be top 4 by the end of the season.

[@OhSoSpurs]

Welcome to the OSS members club! Top analysis as always. Indeed, Chelsea is always a repeat of the prior season. Utter chaos and not in the right direction...

[@peteworthy8322]

When do we get some thick? Try to avoid the obvious joke.

[@RabbiaRabbia-ul7yi]

Terrible recruitment has ruined Spurs Ndombele, lo celso, Reggie, Richie etc but Angeball is not working!!!

[@adammacfarlane9351]

Lose next 2 ange has to go shorely

[@paulbennett5225]

When was the last time we spent a billion on players, your the deluded one

[@OhSoSpurs]

Who said we spent a billion on players?

[@soulsnipergaming6081]

Bollox Guys.... If short on numbers... Then don't chase the fkn ball like KIDs

[@kierankyze]

Getting the Celtic fan made no sense tbh can’t compare the Scottish league to the English league, then to think that things will work out in the premier league we sit 11th already lost 7 games in December. And the man said he wins things in his second season & said he won’t change his approach with his style it’s laughable..

[@OhSoSpurs]

@@kierankyze Literally discussed why the job at Spurs is different

[@davidthompson9141]

Backing postecoglu is the most clueless decision the club have made since they backed steve hitchen for 4 yeara of awful signings. Ange has a good temperament and talks a good game but his massive shortcomings on a football front are unavoidable. We need quality management with modern ideas to take the club forward. Im all for backing the right manager, but this guy aint it.

[@kamalben-kmayal1767]

Wow how deluded r u people

[@sidenote7555]

Wow how much of a knob head u are!

[@mrfreeland123]

Good to find more positive real supporters though in the toxic world of online spurs channels, liked and subbed 👍

[@OhSoSpurs]

Thanks for the support and welcome to OSS 💙🤍

[@alfredvanravenswaay1260]

spot on

[@mrfreeland123]

Alot of us Celtic fans are invested in Ange and watching Sours ,the big man has aged 10 years since leaving Celtic. Key thing for me the players look fully invested in what they are being told, Ange needs backing in this window ,most difficult window to do business in though ,take Billy gilmour went for 8 million, he would of been perfect for spurs

[@karmic-fleas]

Hamish is a good lad and my team Celtic have the best fans in world sport... funny, smart, passionate.🦘

[@OhSoSpurs]

Hope you enjoyed our green attire in your honour! COYS