Chapter 12: The Mirror of Erised | Philosopher's Stone

Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 12 of the Philosopher’s Stone and discuss the snowballs hitting Voldemort, Malfoy’s taunting tactics, Hagrid dragging in the trees, points system, Christmas decorations, wizards’ chess, Harry’s gifts, the Christmas feast, the mirror, Peverell brothers theories, what Ron sees, and Dumbledore in the room.
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[@sebastianacacia7621]

I just noticed that Ben and J have sweaters of their initials like Fred and George get on Christmas, and at the beginning of this episode, they introduced themselves as Bonathan and Jen in the same way as Gred and Feorge 😂

[@carolinpetersen6894]

I noticed it when Ben called himself "Jen" (I missed when J said "Bonathon"). Just now thinking that it would've been super funny if he went full "Jenjamin".

[@SierraMascara28]

Thank you! I was wondering why they did that 😂

[@ThreadBomb]

Shoot, I should not have skipped the beginning.

[@occheermommy]

And their sweaters are switched to the one they said.

[@racheldoescreativity]

they also are wearing each other's favorite colors, which I guess is because the j sweater would be j's and vice versa

[@hufflepom]

Maybe Snape herded Harry towards the correct classroom per Dumbledore’s request. Like “Severus please chase invisible Harry towards this specific room. You can’t get him in trouble, don’t ask questions. Do it for Lily. Thanks.” 😂

[@isaiahpinkerton3445]

I laughed at first because it seems like the mildly manipulative/ endearing thing that Dumbledore would do. It just occurred to me that Harry and Snape would have the same vision of Lily in the mirror.

[@GubbiGap]

I'm just imagining that conversation and that sounds hilarious xD

[@hufflepom]

@@isaiahpinkerton3445 stop. I’m getting teary and it isn’t from the onions I just chopped!

[@hufflepom]

@@GubbiGap I love it. How do you think that it would go?

[@GubbiGap]

@@hufflepom Here’s what I think would happen: Dumbledore tells Snape the plan and Snape just goes “really? That’s your plan?” with an annoyed voice and Dumbledore goes “remember you promised to do anything right? This is part of that deal” and when Snape hesistates Dumbledore says “do it for Lilly” and Snape just sighs and rolls his eyes as he leaves Dumbledore’s office

[@CarlosAlexDanger]

Theory about Hagrid dragging in trees. Hagrid was like "We'll give every kid their own tree!" and before anyone could tell him that it's unnecessary, he was already chopping trees down

[@Eshandist]

I've always looked at Hagrid's work like this, not that he needed to do the manual labor around the grounds because...you know...magic, but because he WANTS to give back to the school and specifically to Dumbledore, however secondary theory, what if he's secretly using his wand to make his labor easier without anyone else knowing so his work isn't as hard to do and he can do more of it? Case in point, what if he used his wand to make the trees light, so he can get them inside in a timely manner?

[@PhilBagels]

@@Eshandist Also, he's half-giant, so carrying trees is not nearly as difficult for him as it would be for someone without giant blood.

[@firestar4430]

​​​​@@Eshandist We know he uses magic for some jobs. He's secretly enlarging the pumpkins in Chamber of Secrets with his umbrella. J and Ben think Dumbledore was able to repair Hagrid's broken wand (since he was master of the elder wand), but I don't think Dumbledore disguised it. I think Hagrid personally came up with the idea of putting it in the umbrella since he clearly has an interest in woodworking (making the flute for Harry).

[@tekbox7909]

@@firestar4430 I mean repairing and disguising it are two different things so both theories can be true

[@firestar4430]

@@tekbox7909 Yeah, I was building on their theory, not invalidating it! It's a good one.

[@driaLOVES]

I really like that these keep getting longer. lol Goblet is gonna be like 3 hour episodes

[@corgimom5626]

Hey! And we would gladly listen to 3 hour episodes

[@WKP1996]

In Sweden the mirror and chapter is called "Mörd spegeln" if you replace the ö with o it's translated murder mirror. "Mörd" backwards is Dröm which is translated to Dream. Starting to have tradition to listen to the pod as I prepare food for the week. Also, if you couldn't tell, I'm from Sweden.

[@corgimom5626]

Yay Sweden! I love to hear about other people’s experiences reading/ listening in other countries.

[@WKP1996]

@@corgimom5626 Yeah, some words are fun that they are unique for the language. Some words that comes to mind are Squib = Ynk, Philosopher's Stone = De Vises Sten (The stone for the wise), Deathly Hallow = Dödsrelik (Death relic), O.W.L. = G.E.T. (Goat) Acronym for Grund-Examen i Trollkonst (Basic Degree in Socery/Magic), N.E.W.T. = F.U.T.T. (closest is "futting", very little) Acronym for Fruktansvärt Utmattande Trollkarls Test (Terribly Exhausting Wizarding Test).

[@robfab5204]

​@@WKP1996cool!!

[@CalypsoRaven618]

That's amazing!

[@CalypsoRaven618]

@@WKP1996 "Terribly Exhausting Wizarding Test" Ha! that made me laugh.

[@everybodyloveshigh5s]

I wonder if actually Petunia's hatred in magic is because it took her sister away, first to Hogwarts, then to marriage, and then to her death. And she was never able to define or express her feelings so she just turned them to disgust and hatred

[@davidlegare5021]

Petunia hated magic because she didn't have it.

[@taylorhagen3916]

These always annoy me because it feels like an excuse for her abusive behavior

[@mjm3091]

​​​​@@taylorhagen3916to be fair Rowling clearly wrote the more logical justifications after first book. It's clear she wanted to just write those evil monsters for Harry to live with and didn't care if it made sense. For me it's super visible in the way she describes them - focusing on their physicality to insult them. All the descriptions of how wide/thin they are and stuff. She made them bigoted and never looked back. Which kinda sucks, cause it would be nice to see the idea that it was coping mechanism for Petunia or that it was directly effect of the Horcrux on their unprotected Muggle bodies (and it only lifted after Harry started going to Hogwarts).

[@vorobuh_the_1]

We do need someone at SCB to take the books from J and Ben after they finished reading and make a quiz out of everything they highlighted as Trivia for JvsBen

[@madisonbaron6670]

Omggggg yes!

[@sue-ellenlightbody2337]

Yaaaaaaay another episode of Bonathon and Jen. Now I have Snape Snape Severus Snape DUMBLEDORE in my head 😂 An Australian 50c piece has 12 sides, Ron would love it.

[@Brentonius_III]

I've never understood our coins 😅 why is $2 and 5c similar size as the smallest and 50c is huge 😂😂

[@bradleyjamieson7718]

I lost both my parents in my 20s so Harry looking into the mirror of Erised is easily the saddest moment in the whole series. In that moment I literally just want to pick lil Harry up, give him a big hug and tell him everything is going to be okay. The Dursleys really were awful to him. As for Hagrid and the trees. I like to think a lot of the things Hagrid does could be achieved using magic but Dumbledore is like "Nah let Hagrid do it," because otherwise what reason would he have for hiring him? I love Dumbledore's plan by the way! It really does make sense. I found that as a child I adored Dumbledore, but then as a teen / young adult I started to hate how manipulative he seemed, now even older, you can see a lot of the wisdom in his choices and why things had to be a certain way. It somewhat mirrors Harry's feelings towards the man too. He did name Albus after him after all....

[@amywilson7540]

I have long had a theory that one of the reasons Dumbledore made Ron a prefect is because he remembered what Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised.

[@jettstocken8205]

That’s a great point

[@billysmith5409]

I love that J and Ben use the Potter Puppet Pals voices for Snape and Dumbledore.

[@deelaneenn6677]

my favorite parts of this is all the time you guys get to spend together as family and how respectful you are to eachother.

[@sheamardis7409]

It has always been my head cannon that Dumbledore was testing Harry. He wanted to see what Harry would see in the mirror to assess his character so he could make his plan. For after all what if Harry had sought something else. I think dumbledore's plan would have been a lot different, if, when Harry looked in the mirror he saw what Ron saw because he sought Glory and fame whether than his family.

[@yamahakid450f]

Do you also spell 'canonical' with two 'N's?

[@kiranicole2096]

It's also fair to say that Ron wanted those things because he already had all of his basic needs met, whereas Harry did not. Ron already had a family that loved him, three meals a day, and all of the basic necessities provided by loving parents. He has the freedom to want more than he has, whereas Harry's basic needs weren't met growing up. He often went hungry, felt completely alone, sometimes accidentally using magic to meet the needs he did not have met (safety, bodily autonomy), and was sort of set up from the beginning to see family in the mirror.

[@mistv901]

Ron wanted to be recognized as special and important by his family, because he often felt overlooked. At the time, he thought those things might do so. That's rather different than what you are implying about his character.

[@ThreadBomb]

-cannon- canon

[@kitjune9333]

@@mistv901oh Ron definitely wanted fame and recognition for himself. He had a family that loved him and instead of appreciating it, he kept griping about them being poor.

[@streamingwong5195]

This podcast is oddly stress relieving for me. I am forced to travel a lot (mostly on Sundays and Mondays) and have already encountered two highly stressful travel incidents in the past few months. This podcast often becomes the sole silver lining of those Sundays/Mondays

[@EmilyCheetham]

Growing up I always saw the invisibility cloak of made of something similar to silk. Silk can fold up pretty small for instance. But because of the magic from death embed in it it made it fairly indestructible.

[@sawanna508]

Me too.

[@hufflepom]

In Goblet Molly says that she got Harry green dress robes to match his eyes. My head canon is that is also the reason why his jumper is green. In the film Harry gets a blue jumper and Dan Radcliffe has blue eyes. I like to think that change was to keep with the matching the eyes thing. 😊

[@ThreadBomb]

So Ron has red eyes?

[@henryguillen806]

​@@ThreadBomb he's secretly a vampire. Obviously

[@hufflepom]

@@henryguillen806 does he suggest the blood lollipop for Harry or is that Hermione? I can’t remember.

[@henryguillen806]

@@hufflepom Hermione rejected them, so Ron probably suggested it.

[@hufflepom]

@@henryguillen806 so Ron= vampire I guess lol

[@gssci]

41:30 Ron has heard of Invisibility Cloaks before! He grew up hearing the Tales of Beetle the Bard and it makes sense the Hallows were a big topic of discussion between the Weasley siblings :) You can sort of tell by the way he discusses the tale of the three brothers with the other members of the trio in DH.

[@tinas_hotdog_sophie]

I am so with Ben: There was nothing better than coming home from a day spent in the snow, being put in the bathtub and then pyjamas even tho it was only 4 pm and hot chocolate with dinner.

[@occheermommy]

That is something I have literally never experienced in my life!!! I grew up in California and while I visited Pennsylvania often as a kid it was usually in summer once I could remember. If it happened as a kid I would have been like 2. We used to ski in the winter but we always traveled to the snow and were so busy skiing that I never remember spending a day playing in the snow. I have taken my kids to play in snow though and grandkids now.

[@LyonelGhecko]

Hey, on the part about the Dursleys never showing Harry a picture of his parents; Lily and James probably didn't have a single picture in which they weren't moving. James being pureblood and lily being in the magical world since 11 to me says they never used a muggle camera, and the Dursleys hate magic.

[@audreybourgeois4626]

Petunia should have pictures of her and Lily when they were kids before Hogwarts, but you're right, James would have no stationary ones and there would be very few after Hogwarts. Perhaps there are a few family portraits for Christmas cards or something. Either way, the Dursleys don't seem to reminisce, especially since it seems there are no grandparents or cousins on either side of the family. On Dudley's birthday, there is a mountain of presents, but not a single one from anyone besides his parents. Harry talks about being left out of Christmas, but there is no one celebrating but the three Dursleys. Harry mentions no relatives at all besides Aunt Marge.

[@JahanMisra]

Imagine if Harry showed up to the 2nd task in Scuba gear because he and Hermione couldn’t find a magical solution. Also i’m pretty sure the screaming book can’t have horcruxes in it because Dumbledore removed them from the library and kept them in his office

[@corgimom5626]

I have always said that! “Accio scuba equipment!”

[@occheermommy]

They discuss it in the book but decide it was too far to have it zoom across the countryside.

[@brycesagner4497]

One of my favorite headcanons is after the Battle of Hogwarts Neville sends Molly a list of students’ names that don’t have family and she makes them all sweaters with their first initial for Christmas. The ones with F have tear stains.

[@mellow3995]

A "looking back on" video after each book talking about the major events that happened, favourite moments and things to look forward to in the next book could be a good idea.

[@harrypotteranddisneyfan5800]

Probably one of the most important chapters in the first book. One of my favorites tbh. I love this podcast so much wish it could be everyday.

[@B33z1ng]

“Dumbledores Bootcamp” has me dead 😂😂

[@wjhdtyqbc324]

Bonathon and Jen are fabulous as usuall:)

[@robertgronewold3326]

My personal theory on the cloak is that it is woven from both demiguise and thestral hair, which is why it's so unique and perfect.

[@vinnyl264]

Wouldn’t people have seen death then see the thestral hair though?

[@robertgronewold3326]

@@vinnyl264 Depends on how clever the Peverell magic was. There are quite a few spells on the cloak.

[@TheElliexbellie]

a quick british note that crumpets and english muffins are for sure 2 different breads that you can have for breakfast or as a snack ~crumpets are this chewy type bread that have holes on the top (excellent for melting butter into) ~ english muffins are more traditional texture of bread that are small and circular, you can get them at mcdonald's i think haha

[@christopherwareham8955]

What if the lost child of Cadmus is somehow a child of Cadmus and the inverted boggart, that Cadmus was so horrified he trapped the boggart in a mirror forever, and set to work on a different way to bring his love back. Definitely want a series to answer the many Peverell mysteries

[@jaspermooren5883]

Here we go! My favorite podcasters, Bonathan and Jen!

[@pawmom2693]

You two are absolutely fabulous!!! I love this new series you are guys are doing. It’s my Sunday morning drive to church listen. Today’s really made me think how odd it was that Harry had never been shown pictures of his mom and dad. I really hadn’t thought of it before. Thank you for all of your content!!

[@SierraMascara28]

Could the mirror have started as a qilen? You guys were talking about how it looks like it was transformed from an animal, and that animal is one that can already see inside your heart.

[@jessknight456]

Wow such a cool thought!

[@SierraMascara28]

@@jessknight456thank you! I think it works well, especially with their theory that Hogwarts was transformed from a dragon.

[@orangetuxedoman]

Five Stars!! I'm in love with this Show, I've started reading The saga again because of this show, I just wanted to add about the mirror, Harry completely falls victim to the mirror in Chapter 12, I know you guys were very busy with the big plan, and I wanted to here your thoughts on this, Harry loses to the mirror as a lesson on how it works, I feel Dumbledore has to be in the room each time because how easily the mirror holds your attention. Additionally, Ron knew immediately that the mirror was bad news.

[@dragoscristea7827]

I'm from Romania. Everyday (except the weekends) I come home late from work and I play your podcast before going to bed. I fall asleep easily, in some way i feel like a kid again falling asleep when grandma was telling me stories. I miss you granny. Hopefully we will see each other again....

[@parth17bhatia]

1:00:59 Harry subconsciously knows who Lilly is because she looks the same as she did when he was a baby. However, he can't recall what Lilly (or James) looks like. 1:16:01 I always thought that Dumbledor wanted to be free of his burden. For instance, we learn that a sock can help a house elf to be free of his/her family that they are serving. If we look deeper into this, ever since the Death of Ariana, Albus Dumbledor has been serving the greater good. He fought and successfully defeated & captured Grindelwald. He stopped Voldemort's reign of terror in the first wizarding war thanks to his knowledge of the prophecy. Even though he has achieved so much, he still feels like a prisoner of his past. So, if he gets a pair of socks, he can be a free man (like an elf). If the whole book were 1 episode and the book is Order of the Phoenix. But amazing as always. What a wholesome way to end the weekend!

[@corgimom5626]

That is a super interesting take. The socks response has always puzzled me.

[@adamrabe3105]

Absolutely loved that the Weasley Twins were hitting Voldemort in the face with those snow balls. Those Scottish winters are brutal, so finding some whimsy with snowballs to the Dark Lord's face is always welcome.

[@madalynnr9940]

I've got a theory for the second task that the reason Harry couldn't find anything in the library is because he was the last one to figure out the clue and most likely Fleur checked out all the books with the information. You can tell the order in which the champions figured out the clue as Cedric first since he and Fleur used the same charm and Cedric is unlikely to remove the information from the library, and then in January Krum is seen swimming in the lake.

[@Patrickcide]

I actually think when he said "You will be ready to confront it" what Dumbledore meant was the crippling longing of those who have passed. The feelings and emotions necessary for Harry to walk into the forest, as it ended, would have been impossible without first learning to walk forward instead of stare behind.

[@NerdyBernie66]

What if the child of the second brother was a daughter? She then marries someone with the last name Slytherin. They have a son and name him Salazar. Perhaps the second brother had a pet snake that is still alive, and that is how young Salazar finds out about and obtains the resurrection stone. Even better if the second brother also creates parceltoungue as well and enchants his bloodline with inherent knowledge of the language.

[@occheermommy]

I could be wrong but I think the founders were alive a few hundred years before the Peverells. I am not sure. I just feel like they were alive somewhere between 13-1500 but again not sure. I know they always say the school was founded 1000 years ago about.

[@NerdyBernie66]

@jessicabaum9370 He would have to have it out of wedlock because the Gaunt family is supposed to be descendants of the second brother which is why they have the ring at all.

[@barborastanclova]

I feel like McGonagall punished Fred and George. Snape hates Quirell and I feel like he would let the twins annoy him.

[@venipower]

Guys, I'm listening to this in my office and you made me cry. As a father this touched me too much, but you being parents yourselves, and expressing this, broke me.

[@TheSmithguy12]

What a great way to wake up and start my 29th birthday! Love you brothers.

[@sgtkumpel]

Happy Birthday 🎉

[@NoLifeKing_Ozma]

Happy Birthday

[@makeitgoleft]

Have an awesome birthday! 🎉🎉🎉

[@sue-ellenlightbody2337]

Happy Birthday from Australia 🧁 🎁 🎉 🎈

[@jeffgammons431]

I look forward to Bonathan and Jen covering the next chapter every Sunday!!!! lol I truly love all of your content. I watch the J vs Ben trivia episodes constantly on near repeat. It’s really cool to see how much better y’all’s HP trivia knowledge has improved now compared to 5 and 6 years ago. Your show brings me a lot of joy and laughter. Love you guys!! God bless and keep up the great work!!!!

[@MadHymek323]

* Wasn't prepared for J to just casually discuss both Potter Puppet Pals AND A Very Potter Musical (two of my biggest obsessions) within the first 3 minutes of the video but okay sure

[@heylolp9]

What a beautiful Sunday, right as this released It started snowing outside

[@MelanieNLee]

Hi! Although you didn't post this podcast on Christmas Eve like you thought you would, you did post it on the First Sunday of Advent 2023. So I was happy, when preparing to go to church online, to see your Christmas-themed podcast coming up. Concerning Cadmus Peverell: We don't know how old the brothers were when they met Death on the bridge. Possibly Cadmus had lost his fiancée a few years back and had since married another woman and had children. However, when Death presented Cadmus with the Resurrection Stone, and Cadmus conjured up his lost fiancée, he emotionally or physically abandoned his wife and children to be with this spectral image of his true love. When he died, perhaps his surviving brother gave the stone to Cadmus' wife or child, or Cadmus' family may have found it themselves.

[@audrarittenhouse1183]

So one of the things I love most about the theory that the second Peverell brother made the mirror of Erised, is that it puts Dumbledore directly on the skill level of the Peverell brothers. The second brother creates the mirror by trapping a boggart in a mirror. Dumbledore figures out a way to encase the stone within the mirror. I don’t know that another wizard of the time could have deduced enough about the mirror and its inner workings to even think it possible. Dumbledore must have known the inner workings of that mirror intimately to even be able to figure out how to get the stone in it to begin with. It’s just fascinating to me that you’ve found such a strong parallel between them. 😊

[@TheToneBender]

I assume the Peverell brothers are after the founders, because Ignotus' grave is in Godric's hollow. So I assume Godric had a town named after him and later on Ignotus got buried there.

[@AndrewJGaming]

To be fair, Hermione does go home every summer. But yes she literally spends Christmas with her family twice between the age of 11 and 18.

[@dannybattle6512]

when y'all mentioned it I was immediately like, what if before going into the lake for the second task, Harry was like - "idk if this is cheating professor, but I brought scuba gear??" XD XD

[@WilliamReginaldLucas]

Gred and Feorge walloping Voldy with snowballs is golden 😅

[@tylerj.o.7470]

The thestrals idea is pretty cool. What if the stone was made out of a thesstal's eye or bone Which would give the Ability to see the dead since you can only see them after witnessing death. And using thestrals to also create the cloak and wand

[@LightsOnTrees]

My headcanon is that over the invisibility cloak's history, some who have known about it were the ones to make copies, and so even though very few people know about the hallows, in the culture that's just what an invisibility cloak looks like.

[@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing]

Love your content guys! (Daniel here)❤❤❤❤

[@clairethompson5549]

This chapter hits so different for me as an adult. As an adoptee who has never seen images of my biological parents, the idea of looking into a mirror and seeing them (and them recognizing me!) all for the first time fills me with a strange sorrow that I didn’t feel when I read it as a kid. What an incredible gift, to be able to see what Harry and Dumbledore saw in the mirror. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some magical experimenting to do on my bathroom mirror… 🪄 But in all seriousness, thank you for this podcast. I am always listening to the audiobooks, and now having this supplemental listening is recreating much of the magic for me all over again. It’s such a comfort-listen for me, and to paraphrase Luna, it’s like having friends in the room ❤

[@kitjune9333]

Harry looking forward to Christmas made absolute sense because of the three friends, he seemed to be the one who truly embraced the magic of being magical. Hermione was too busy trying to prove, as a muggle born she belonged in the wizarding world, to really enjoy that new world and Ron just took it all for granted because he'd been exposed to it since birth. Harry on the other hand found it thrilling, overwhelming, scary and fulfilling. Harry seeing his parents/family for the first time always makes me tear up.

[@Yii699]

A couple of things still listing to this as I type. My favorite outa pocket Dumbledore statement is after Rita skeeter wrote the article about hagrid in goblet and they finally get hagrid to open the door and Dumbledore is there and Harry calls Rita skeeter a cow he apologized to Dumbledore and he says "I've gone temporarily deaf Harry" Also if everyone was doing hagrids job for him he wouldn't have a job and a reason to stay at Hogwarts My favorite Fred and George quote is when they tell Mrs Weasley, Ron was made a prefect and she says "That's everyone in the family" And one of the twins say I think George "What does that make me and Fred next door neighbors" Every time I hear Stephen Fry I die I have to go back and look at the pocket stuff but I think stuffing the invisibility cloak I think he's sticking it into a pocket in his school robes wich I assume is larger than a pants pocket and if it's a light material like silk you can 100 percent stuff that into a pocket wouldn't be comfortable

[@mistv901]

It amazes me how fixated some people are that Ron wanted to be seen as special and important like the rest of his family and use that to degrade his character. While also entirely missing how worried and concerned he is that Harry is going to do nothing but sit in front of that mirror for the rest of his days. You can tell he's debating telling someone if this goes too far. Dumbledore just found Harry first.

[@luminousignesia372]

This scene in the movie breaks my heart everytime cause Harry is this really headstrong and fun person and you don't really see the little kid with no parents thing as much after he leaves the dursleys so this scene just really makes you think about it and it pulls at my heart.

[@user-pd4no1mi3o]

for the tv show, i hope they do each seasonas a book, and each episode is a chapter

[@VonOutlaw]

Admiral ranks are, in order (U.S. Navy) Rear Admiral - 1 star (lower half), 2 stars (upper half), Vice Admiral - three stars, Admiral - four stars, and in wartime there can be Fleet Admiral - five stars.

[@keeferbigmick7943]

Dumbledore saw socks in the mirror because his sister knitted a pair for him every Christmas. Seeing a pair of socks would mean that she was alive and well. Cmon guys this is your theory.

[@hufflepom]

I am pretty sure that it is mentioned that they don’t ask Madam Pince about Flamel because they didn’t want to blow their cover.

[@mariehope322]

Definitely just did what they said... went to bed with this playlist on and woke up to it not done 💕😴 so cozy!

[@bruhguy7745]

Interesting concept I've heard is all the hallows are made from thestrals, cloak is a hide of a thestral, the stone is a petrified eye and the wand of course is the hair.

[@GipsonWands]

Years ago i read this chapter to my daughter and started weeping when he saw his parents in the mirror for the first time... it really hit different.

[@jeffersongeeslin5398]

My head cannon/theory on harry found the mirror is that dumbledore confounded harry after leaving the library. We don’t see much from Harry’s POV on the journey to the room, it seems like we are suddenly in the corridor with mirror room. Then the next day Harry has trouble remembering how to get there and it’s only when he sees the suit of armor that he remembers where it is cause that is where the confundus charm wears off the night previously. So in essence Dumbledore lead him there via confundus like Snape gave Mundungus the 7 Harry’s plan in book 7

[@IvelLlehctim]

I also noticed the plot hole where the second brother wasn't married. And no children are mentioned that he has descendants. I have a theory that he and the girl are already having a child before she died. Or perhaps she died during child birth. So he had at least one child with her, But she was killed before they could marry. The son survived and was likely raised by his uncle, and kept the ring.

[@jamesgames1738]

Love how jay and Ben are very clearly Amazing dads

[@KingOfMelos]

I can see two reasons why Ron recognized the cloak. 1st (most likely) the universe and the Deathly Hallows wasn't thought of yet. 2nd, we know that there are legends of the Hallows. Other invicibility cloaks might just look similar because they're made to replicate the "original" cloak

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

"Being in the snow is exhausting" Couldn't help but laugh and nod, as I was listening to this while riding my bike to work in -20°C/-4°F

[@nehasharma5931]

Heyyyy Brothers!!! You guys are really AMAZING!!! You guys have no idea just how much your podcasts mean to me.. This has become my new bedtime ritual.. ❤️❤️❤️ I go to bed every night with your chapter podcasts ON, and it makes me feel soo happy and connected.. Makes me feel less lonely.. I'm really grateful from the bottom of my heart ❤️❤️..thank you!! 🙏🏻

[@jakegordz101]

Review: this podcast is amazing I look forward to it every week. Every Sunday at 6pm I have a ritual where I make a cup of tea and a sandwich put my headphones on and listen to this podcast while finishing my weeks homework. Harry potter was basically my safe space in my early years of school particularly grade one/two the (beginning of primary school for any non Americans) - when I was bullied a lot and my escape and safe space was to enter the wizarding world and the fact that the year that I'm in matric/final/senior year of high school is the same year when this podcast began feels kinda poetic for me because I started my schooling with Harry potter and now I'm ending with it maybe when the podcast ends I'll be in my final year of university who knows. Anyways love the podcast so much love your content on YT as well. Through the gryfinndor is always the highlight of my week and has definitely helped me get through this final set of exams in November. Question: how far does magical healing ability go. So if wizards can easily heal most non magic ailments can they cure like cancer or heart disease or bairn damage provided its magical in orgion ??? If god forbid a wizard has a what can be considered a terminal illness it is just not terminal for them. in addition can they heal/fix functions of organs for example why are glasses needed if they could in theor just fix how the eye works like we dont know if wizard optometrists so where do they even get glasses. Can they cure deafness or paralysis? Also are they just immune to like the common cold or other common maladies? Something that has always interested me Love the podcasts love your content on HP and other fandoms your content always make me laugh smile and just feel happy in general keep it up. much love! Jacob

[@occheermommy]

With regards to the snowballs in the back of Quirells head, we need a skit of his and Voldomort’s conversation later that evening. “Why did you let them keep doing that?” Why didnt you Avada Kadavra them. I notice none hit you in the face” I mean we could have a lot of fun with this.

[@mariaana6710]

Very interesting. I love how Ben is almost always doing the questions, more the thinking, and J is like answering the questions and adding humor to it! And why they employ people who hate children? TIME TURNER poisoning... I explain it some many times, but really, why thej don't have parents day like other boarding schools books has, for example?

[@maja-kehn9130]

In Germany we often roast bread on a stick at a bonfire. We usually put the raw dough on a stick and bake it over the fire, I have very fond childhood memories about that. 😊

[@EileenNestman]

As far as "kids don't go that far"... eeegh. I knew a girl in high school who lost her mom to cancer and a kid tried to pull a "your mom" joke on her the NEXT WEEK. She broke his nose, he was shunned after that.

[@Gallagorilla]

Seeing the mirror as a transformed sphinx is actually pretty cool even if it’s unlikely. Both are very wise and also very dangerous if you don’t know what you’re doing. The sphinx loves to give riddles just as the mirror does. As Dumbledore said, “not knowing if it’s real or even possible.” And as Hermione says later this book “a lot of great wizards haven’t got an ounce of logic.” It’s almost like the mirror is a sphinx that shows you a picture of what you want and the riddle is just, “is this real or even possible?”

[@jessicatheriault4189]

Ok one of my favorite things about this chapter that everyone seems to skim right past, is that Ron has the sense to not go back to the mirror. His ability to put aside his desires and his jealousies is such a huge part of his character throughout the series.

[@connie40star]

THESE CHAPTERS ARE AMAZING ❤! (A heartfelt nod to your ending videos) hi, I'm Connie and I'm from L.A and any time a HARRY POTTER movie or book finished I would quick look for you both. You surely helped me and I'm sure many others out if the depths of depression from covid, to the loss of family members and the harsh rejection of not being employed. My family was a huge help as well but during thise days of isolation listening to you made my days. Love listening and I want more H.P books covered. ❤ Thank you.

[@jameskirk4692]

Thank you a lot for this! I love all the details about Dumbledore's plan you talk about. I totally agree with you, though I have never thought about it myself until you first presented it in your theory videos.

[@dannybattle6512]

I feel like the socks thing kind of also ties in with what he actually sees in the mirror, cause you know warm clothes are gifts that your family would get you? like how Mrs Weasley gives her kids sweathers so I feel like him saying 'thick woollen socks', is a fitting lie in a way

[@Cashten101]

Roasting bread over a fire is fairly common in Canada - one of my favourite treats

[@gingerelvis93]

I'm never this early, looking forward to another podcast

[@ZaddyGohan]

The entire explanation at 52:37 made my jaw hit the floor when you said it. How did you figure that out Jay?? You’re a genius

[@junipermeisje6300]

I have made many fires with kids, and baked many ‘just bread’ on sticks over the fire. If you want to keep it healthy, it’s either bread or chestnuts. :) (I’m from the Netherlands)

[@raya.b]

Regarding the screaming book in the library, my first thought was that it was a kind of magical alarm system. Imagine, the book could be placed in the restricted section and the older students who were allowed access to it would be told not to open the silver and black book near the entrance, even if it (magically) entices you, Then I was thinking, that it could be to catch students out of bed past curfew. It could be charmed every evening when the library closes, and could help catch people misbehaving (if you can count reading books as misbehaving). Then lastly, I was thinking, what if it did contain something crucial about Nicolas Flamel, or the philosopher's stone, and it was enchanted to scream so they could catch Quirell doing something suspicious and convict him. The obvious counterpoint is that Hermione had a book with useful information, and it didn’t scream, unless it wasn’t enchanted until later when he became suspicious. Also, Dumbledore might not have wanted to convict him then, because of his big plan.

[@johnesper2451]

Woooo lets gooo Ch 12!!

[@stevenbrodie404]

Does anyone else notice how Bonathan and Jen really sound like those super carlin boys?

[@j.a.shawkins7640]

I have ALWAYS thought that the Mirror of Erised is both amazing and delightful, and absolutely terrifying. Because there's a couple of different ways to 'waste away,' and none of them are good. Because you can just literally sit in front of the Mirror, let it consume you-quick aside, I wonder if it has any affect on the Mirror, how many folks waste away in front of it?-or you can have that sudden confirmation, like Jen-sorry, BEN-says, and then allow THAT to consume your waking thoughts, never being able to focus on anything else. And your deepest desire doesn't have to be a good thing: even Ron's vision in the Mirror is belying his inferiority complex he'll struggle with later. Like, I dunno. Boggarts are fear-I have a pretty good handle on things that scare me. Patronus is just an animal that you don't get to chose, so that'd be cool, and probably says a lot, but meh, you know? Animagus? Again, no choice. Still cool. But the deepest desire? Man....that's a lot.

[@Myrtle-hp4ls]

Day 6 of asking scb why none of the portraits in book 2 reported the basilisk! I love y'all's channel!!!!

[@jknappmxrider]

This made me think... If Harry's parents seem to be actually THERE(albeit their spirits) when looking into the mirror, could it be because of the stone inside the mirror? Bringing them forward like he does with the stone in the final movie

[@Questerer]

I always feel like Hargrid is wanting to help out so much that he would do tasks the manual way even though other teachers could do them using magic. “Professor Dumbledore I like to help out during the Christmas decorations. May I setup the Christmas trees?

[@amywilson7540]

Ron would have grown up hearing the Story of the Three Brothers, so he would have been at least familiar with the concept of an invisibility cloak, although he wouldn't have realized that this was THE cloak from the story.

[@OneJumpMan33]

I love yall and all of your content. Thank you guys for always making my day with your videos

[@mrfelipehurtado]

Guys! THEORY INCOMING! i had never thought about this before, but, when thinking about the parallels between the first book and the seventh, setting up things that will come full circle by the end of the story, and, obviously there is the philosophers's stone in book one, being a A STONE and in the last one a STONE also arrives through a complicated medium, maybe, just maybe the case could be made that something beloning to each of the three brothers is present when dumbledore and harry meet for their first time alone in front of the mirror, the elder wand, the invisibility cloak and the mirror representing the second brother. with that in mind i think ALSO that maybe just maybe there could have been a particular use mixing the resurrection stone and the mirror, could it be that the mirror was intended to actually encase the resurrection stone? how did dumbledore come about that use of the mirror? could it be that just like harry takes something from the other side the second brother could bring someone back? could it be that when he is told to have killed himself he actually entered into the mirror? could it be that a resurrection stone looked through a mirror is actually the opposite? if both created by the same person wouldn't they have some combined usage? thanks for the videos !!! have a great week! @mrfelipehurtado @fohhats

[@bailatwerski2951]

I've enjoyed listening to this so much that I've listened to this 😊 now twice

[@trinkab]

Blanket, book and phone! Lets go!

[@DownundaThunda]

I laughed so hard at the intro. That's a great reference you two. XD

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Its finally fixed! Love your work guys! 😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@TheToneBender]

I think you'd be able to see multiple things in the mirror. Like in Pirates of the Caribbean, where the compass shows Will where the key is, but when he thinks about Elizabeth, the compass points towards her for a moment. And in HP, Harry sees his family in the mirror, but when he's with Quirrel and Voldemort, he sees himself finding the stone because *at that moment* that's his greatest desire. But after that it'll probably go back to being his family. And in book 6 it will probably show him with Ginny.